One Nation are off two points on the primary vote, from 8% to 6%, but the latest Newspoll is otherwise as dull as it gets. Labor’s lead on two-party preferred is unchanged at 52-48, both major parties are unchanged at 38% on the primary vote, the Greens are up one to 10%. Malcolm Turnbull is up a point on both approval and disapproval, to 40% and 50% respectively; Bill Shorten is down one to 33% and steady on 55%. Turnbull leads 46-31 on preferred prime minister, compared with 47-30 last time. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday, presumably from a sample of about 1600.
Boerwar
I take it that you really do understand “mansplaining” and are being rhetorical.
In case you’re not, its just another PC cliche which more or less as used by RM is just saying that discussions here by men this arvo are longwinded and are intended to obfuscate, minimise and rationalise the negative role of men in society.
In other words it’s an oblique back hander to those commenters.
Since no one else has volunteered.
“Mansplaining” is when a male explains in great and condescending detail something that a woman already knows.
Wayne @ #442 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:01 pm
Wayne, I think your optimism is admirable.
Why don’t you back it with a pledge that if the Libs don’t win Longman, Braddon and Mayo, you will give up on PB?
Show the courage of your convictions. 😀
Simplistic pc responses such as man hating?
If Australia has a chance to partner on a Chinese infrastructure project that serves its economic interests, the government would consider it. But it can’t involve bribing local officials, unnecessarily damaging the environment, or leaving the host nation heavily indebted and therefore vulnerable to coercion.
What does that even mean? We unnecessarily damage our environment all the time! Great Barrier Reef, forest clearing, rising emissions, Murray-Darling , – – -need I go on? So, what yardstick is Ciobo using?
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/asia/china-s-trillion-dollar-project-changing-the-world-20180618-p4zm4k.html
psyclaw
Oh? Just another gratuitous insult to all decent men? That should work.
Grimace, read the fine print in your insurance contract before acting to get value from your premium (and don’t do it when pissed). You might be surprised by what you are NOT covered for.
For instance, I heard of one person who had ‘impact by animal’ as one of the events their house was covered for. They went away for a time and a possum fell through their chimney inside and tore up the drapes smashed stuff off tables and eventually died leaving a terrible mess. When it came to claim, they got nothing. ‘Impact’ meant the animal had to ‘fall’ on the house. Handy if an elephant lost control while flying over your house, but little else.
For those people living in low areas near the sea, check you policy for words like ‘inundation’ and or ‘flooding’ it may not mean what you think they do and are therefore not covered by rising sealevel events.
Boewar ???????
Mogotrone – very well said
‘lizzie says:
Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:08 pm
Since no one else has volunteered.
“Mansplaining” is when a male explains in great and condescending detail something that a woman already knows.’
lizzie, I dips me lid. You were far more to the point and succinct than psyclaw!
SCOUT @ #449 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:06 pm
Had to scroll back to locate my question!
I appreciate your informed response. I did have a general awareness that such services existed but I suspect they are totally inadequate.
One earlier marker is cruelty to animals.
You may recall a chap named Paul Denyer (now Paula Denyer) who murdered a series of young women in the Frankston area.
Years prior to this when he was a kid, his family lived at Mulgrave and he was either suspected or known to have perpetrated some pretty serious acts of animal cruelty that made the local paper. For some reason, that and his name stuck in my head and it hit me like a flash when he was named as the killer.
But if something like that has not happened, how do you identify such people in advance of them doing something bad? And if you do identify them, how do you get them to undertake effective treatment? How can you be sure it was effective and they are not just pretending?
It is a wicked problem.
Ciobo is a liberal therefore there is no such thing as environmental damage. Perhaps he is thinking of logging forests to destruction, fishing until the fish runout before he and his mates can do it themselves.
We could make up a definition of ‘womansplaining’.
The rules are that it has to be a put down.
It has to infer that all women suffer from this shortcoming.
Preferably it should give a nod to some dopey stereotype about women.
I just died from inhaling my own tongue after reading what someone else wrote with a straight face.
Boerwar @ #455 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:13 pm
Boerwar @ #459 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:17 pm
S, you’re more than a Sentimental Bloke?
William Bowe @ #445 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 2:05 pm
William,
I saw reference in an article about 3 polls and the implication was that the result was the same as the other two.
Sorry no more than that. 🙂
boomy1 @ #463 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:20 pm
Agree, Elvis has now left the building!
boomy1 @ #464 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:20 pm
Heh, I hope it wasn’t too serious.
PBers
According to an article by David Crowe in SMH, Liberal Party federal council voted for ABC selling by the margin of (39:10) 4:1 and not 2:1 as reported ealier.
BK, very damning facts about GD. All of it out of her own mouth!
Only self hating SAers would vote for her.
Anybody who uses the phrase ‘politically correct’ or PC should have their arguments immediately discounted due to the fact that it’s a phrase of truly monumental idiocy, and those that use it usually have no idea what it actually means, because it actually means nothing.
‘lizzie says:
Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:25 pm
Bonnie Maie @BonnieMaie
I am tired and exhausted – all women are, but this is just a tweet to remind you that @TurnbullMalcolm committed more money to a Captain Cook memorial statue than to DV and Sexual Assault Services and Prevention in 2018. Just let that sink in. #auspol #EurydiceDixon #qiyu’
Good point, IMO.
Bemused
Yep i am not a regular poster, usually at work 9_5 but home with my sick daughter,and not good at quoting ( apologies). Regular reader.
Picking the indicators can / usually occur when young usually overt behaviour etc etc, this is whe services should be in place but funding……. the irony and the hard thing to cope with is lots of perpetrators have often experienced trauma ( similar to what they exhibit) hence my reference to the circle.
There is a lot of research i am not the ‘expert’ but i am passionate and apologies for offence to others. My passion is about keeping discussion on causes (including men owning up to actions etc) and how to prevent the trauma as the consequences keep going……
Thanks for the link, Poroti.
Current Labor policy seems to be to commit $70 million to DV services but this seems to be more after the fact rather than prevention. I am not sure.
adrian @ #473 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:28 pm
I apply this rule whenever I see you posting something that includes the words ABC.
As Chris Bowan implied earlier, the PBO is not happy with the questioning of the their costings.
The Guardian blog.
When did this place become the Redpill subreddit?
I notice the usual suspects who spend all day, every day posting on here and clearly don’t leave their houses are the ones pushing the “misandry” line.
I can’t wait until this place becomes an Incel forum. Maybe Colton could come back and be a moderator.
No wonder everybody who has anything interesting to say leaves.
SCOUT @ #475 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:30 pm
I admire your passion. But, blaming all men in the case of Ms Dixon is a sure way to be totally ignored as a possible sane or rational commentator on the topic.
adrian @ #472 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 3:28 pm
Whenever someone decries “political correctness” you really should substitute this for “not wanting to treat others with respect”.
PeeBee @ #462 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:19 pm
Actually, there’s some interesting Australian research I found recently (while looking for something else) that indicates that climate denial and insensitivity to environmental damage in general is clearly associated with a ‘literalist’ interpretation of Christianity – perhaps as significant an effect as political conservatism.
From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4527763/ …
Of course, when you get a bunch of Christian literalists who are also politically conservative – such as we see in the Liberal Party – you have a double whammy! 🙁
‘“Mansplaining” is when a male explains in great and condescending detail something that a woman already knows.’
Indeed. Malcolm does it on a regular basis…….
Greensborough Growler @ #477 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:30 pm
ABC.
adrian @ #485 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:37 pm
Sit up straight and don’t pout.
OK, so there are places where it is dangerous for a person of either gender to venture at certain hours.
Question: who poses the danger in these situations?
Do you tremble in fear at night when you realise that a woman is walking behind you? Or even a group of women?
And that’s the point.
Seriously GG, please get over this ‘blaming of all men in the case of Ms Dixon’ . The blokes on this forum are getting so upset it is sad.
It is simple men are the perpetrators why cant this be discussed without every poster / man saying it wouldnt have happened if she kept safe.
I think I might be a communist.
Been gettin’ these free sensations and wanting to grow a beard.
That’s commie isn’t it?
“It is not just women who have to be responsible for their own safety, it is men too.
Until utopia arrives there will be some bad people out there who will do bad things given the opportunity.
To pretend otherwise is just plain stupid.”
In agreement with bemused on this one. I have a daughter, and this is a real immediate issue for me as a father.
Yes things should be different, and hopefully they will become so.
Women (and Men) should be able to walk the streets or parks any time of the day or night without being under threat. This is what our society should aim for as the norm.
I once got chased by “poofer bashers” seeking to do me harm simply because i was walking past a park in Sydney. Was in town for a conference and didn’t realise that route back to the hotel was a concern.
It is FACT that currently it cannot assumed they can do so. There are definitely societal issues here that need to be addressed. In the meantime there are immediately relevant personal security issues that people need to be aware of.
“Do you tremble in fear at night when you realise that a woman is walking behind you? Or even a group of women?
And that’s the point.”
Take your point zoom, and yes, mostly its males responsible. But don’t underestimate female group violence. It does happen.
Serious question.
Is there any truth to rumours that Luke Foley may be replaced. If so, with who?
More importantly, if there is a reshuffle, or a new leader, who would get the shadow NSW transport portfolio?
RL,
You’re not going to get my attention until you poke me in the chest and shout.
And related, who should (as opposed to would) get the shadow NSW transport portfolio.
In other words is there anyone competent?
SCOUT @ #474 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:30 pm
I appreciate your presence here and hope to see you become more regular.
That is not to say we will always agree. 😉
I am not in the habit of personally apologising for the actions of others and think such an expectation is unreasonable. I would, however, certainly intervene if I saw a situation with a woman that required it. I have done so verbally a few times.
Okay, so that ReachTEL poll of Mayo for Seven was two weeks ago, and it had the same two-party result as the poll they did for the Australia Institute at the same time: 58-42 in favour of Rebekha Sharkie, who led Downer 40.1% to 34.4% on the primary vote. You can see the report on Seven here if you scroll down a bit:
https://twitter.com/7NewsAdelaide/status/1004643373326581760/video/1
boomy1 @ #488 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:40 pm
You’d be better off declaring yourself a Liberal voter than a commie around here.
‘But don’t underestimate female group violence. It does happen.’
Oh, sigh. I have documented here that I have been a victim of this, and that the girls concerned went on to rape another girl.
96% of murders are committed by men. Therefore there is a problem which is clearly gender linked.
As I’ve said before, this isn’t a men v women thing but an issue around culture, something we are all responsible for.
But until we get past that first hurdle of acceptance, particularly in a society which is still very patriarchal in structure, we can’t even begin to work towards solutions.
Pseudo Cud Chewer @ #486 Monday, June 18th, 2018 – 5:43 pm
Not until after the next NSW State election. If he loses. 🙂
A man probably is more likely to be murdered than a woman in bad, poorly-lit areas of a city.
ahahaha They can’t get Bill Shorten replaced so they attacking Luke Foley.