The latest Essential Research poll has Labor’s lead unchanged at 54-46. Beyond that, I’m a bit tied up at this point to discuss the attitudinal results (chief among which is 64% support for a royal commission into banking), but they are as ever summarised in The Guardian, and will be available in complete form when the full report is published later today, together with the primary vote numbers. I believe we should also have YouGov along later today.
UPDATE. YouGov/Fifty Acres: 53-47 to Labor
The fortnightly YouGov/Fifty Acres poll has Labor’s lead out to a new high of 53-47, but this is due to preferences rather than primary votes: Labor and the Coalition are now tied on 32% of the primary vote, after Labor led 34% to 31% last time, with One Nation steady on 11% and the Greens down a point to 10%. There is also a preferred prime minister question recording a 31% tie, with Malcolm Turnbull rated strong by 21%, weak by 41$ and neither by 30%.
The poll records an interestingly high level of support for constitutional change allowing dual citizens to run for office, with 46% in favour and 40% opposed. Also featured are national approval ratings for the Bennelong by-election candidates, both of whom do very well on both name recognition and personal support (40% favourable of John Alexander and 28% unfavourable; 39% and 29% for Kristina Keneally). Forty-six per cent support new religious protection laws in same sex marriage legislation, with 36% opposed; 55% say the government has a responsibility for the safety of asylum seekers on Manus Island, with 36% for the contrary. The poll was conducted Thursday to Monday from a sample of 1034.
The full Essential Research report has the Coalition up a point on the primary vote, to 36%, Labor steady on 38%, the Greens steady on 9% and One Nation steady on 8%. Sixty-four per cent of respondents favoured a banking royal commission, with only 12% opposed. Questions on the economy produced a mixed bag: 33% rate its state as good with 24% for poor, but 39% think it headed on the wrong direction compared with 31% for right. A question about economic issues of concern finds the highest ratings for anything to do with prices, particularly energy prices, and lesser but still substantial concern about income tax and interest rates. Forty-nine per cent supported incentives and subsidies to speed the transition from fossil fuels to renewables, 16% leaving it to the market, and 12% who wanted intervention to slow the process.
shiftaling:
No he shouldn’t have been invited, but he has and the invitation has been accepted.
What to do?
Throw a hissy fit and seek to shut him down ala Di Natale thereby giving greater attention to his cause, or recognise the man is an idiot and is highly likely to damn his cause simply by speaking?
We supposedly believe in free speech in this country, and so I say let the idiot speak. 😀
Maybe they could rebook him into a broom closet?
So what’s the state of the ME bill? Any more dubious amendments lined up?
shiftaling:
Same difference having him speak in parliament.
CC
Has Sen Patterson’s been sent to bed yet?
I don’t think so, the whole event could be exquisitely stage managed to prick his ego
Massola rehashing old shit about Dastyari and Huang from 14 months ago to discredit Labor before the Bennelong bye election.
The Libs are desperate.
I’d love to see their internal polling.
Massola as good as admits that Brandis and his nest of vipers are feeding him information.
Yiannopolous is another narcissist. They keep on coming, exhibitionists, dealing in public shame & blame, guilt, offence, disgrace, hate, stupidity, provocation, revulsion, mockery and spite. They try to profit, one way or another, from disgust and outrage – to fatten themselves by eating their own spew. I say let them humiliate themselves if they want. Who are we to save them from themselves?
I never quite know what to think of this guy –
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-29/turnbulls-leadership-on-ssm-a-failure,-andrew-broad-says/9204060
Ah the fascists of the LNP/nationals/One nation coming out like the world has ended
So it looks like the Senate will pass the ME bill by Wednesday, but the lower house ia not sitting to pass it till next week. Malcolm did you lie to us about why parliament is not sitting?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/samesex-marriage-passes-historic-hurdle-as-labor-moves-to-veto-religious-freedoms-20171128-gzu9mz.html
Zoidlord
Their world has ended. Many of these people really did genuinely believe they were the Silent Majority. They suddenly find themselves in a world where this isn’t the case and it’s alien and strange.
Good Morning
E
I think you have just explained Trump.
Their world has ended and they picked someone to ensure that it ends.
Reuters: North Korea fires unidentified ballistic missile: U.S. officials reut.rs/2AGNUXv pic.twitter.com/zlruxd07Le
Elaugaufein @ #562 Wednesday, November 29th, 2017 – 6:01 am
And Bernardi is ready to offer them succour.
DameyonBonson: There’s no shame in hurting.
There’s no shame in struggling.
There’s no shame in getting help.
There’s no shame in saying “it’s racism”.
There’s no shame in saying “it’s homophobia”.
There’s no shame in saying “I don’t need fixing”.
You are not the suicide problem.
stephaniedowric: @Kate_McClymont @leighsales So much needs investigating on Australia’s scandalous politicisation of refugee rights & manipulation of facts.
Sounds familiar
guardiannews: Rising household debt and stagnant pay major threats to UK, says OECD ebx.sh/2BvpQUG
BenJealous: It kills me every time I hear a “conservative” pretend employers hire more when they have more cash on hand. Employers hire more when they have more demand. Period. Demand goes up when consumer spending increases. Consumer spending increases when workers get a raise. #FightFor15
RVAwonk: #BREAKING: North Korea just launched a ballistic missile in the direction of Japan.
Japan PM’s office says the missile “appears to have landed within Japan’s exclusive economic zone” (in the Sea of Japan). pic.twitter.com/EnP7XYH3LB
SethAbramson: North Korea just fired another ballistic missile—so Trump apologists who’ve been claiming for 60 days Trump’s “maximum pressure” policy works can concede that the reason for the delay wasn’t the efficacy of the policy but Kim *blowing up his own men accidentally* on his last try.
cmarinucci: Prince Harry says Donald Trump is not welcome at his wedding: ‘Trump is a serious threat to human rights’ nova-magazine.net/prince-harry-t…
https://twitter.com/cmarinucci/status/935303575609020416
One of the amendments defeated is a surprise. I expected this one to pass. Very happy it has not.
BevanShields: An attempt by George Brandis and Matt Canavan to let celebrants refuse to marry same-sex couples has been overwhelmingly defeated in the Senate #auspol
It would seem the noisy minority has had the two finder salute from the electorate and the senate.
Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
North Korea has just fired another ballistic missile.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/north-korea-has-fired-ballistic-missile-say-reports-in-south-korea
The Smith SSM bill was passed the Senate last night. Every amendment proposed by the conservatives was defeated.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/samesex-marriage-passes-historic-hurdle-as-labor-moves-to-veto-religious-freedoms-20171128-gzu9mz.html
Michael Koziol on some Labor MPs who will vote NO. Just as they would have if the parliament had done its job years ago with a free conscience vote.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/were-entitled-to-be-heard-the-labor-senators-voting-no-to-samesex-marriage-20171128-gzu6zf.html
Meanwhile Malcolm Turnbull is facing mounting hostility among conservative MPs after an overwhelming majority of Coalition senators last night voted for amendments to the same-sex marriage bill only to be shot down when six Coalition senators, including three cabinet ministers, sided with Labor and the Greens to scuttle them. Google.
/national-affairs/liberal-fury-asfreedom-laws-denied-in-samesex-marriage-bill/news-story/decf95ea35e2ac781f2349c90bfea03c
George Brandis is quite enigmatic in that he sometimes delivers some stunning speeches.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/attorneygeneral-george-brandis-powerful-samesex-marriage-speech-in-full-20171128-gzu669.html
Brandis has peened this piece in which he says that Australia will no longer be offending gay people. Well done George.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/australia-will-no-longer-be-insulting-gay-people-20171128-gzubum.html
Mark Kenny writes that the banking inquiry divisions illustrate Coalition shortcomings.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/banking-probe-divisions-expose-coalition-shortcomings-20171128-gzu8h1.html
The SMH editorial explains why we are careering towards a banking inquiry.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/why-we-are-careering-towards-a-banking-inquiry-20171128-gzucq8.html
Jenifer Hewett says that for the Turnbull government, the likely bank inquiry is another humiliating example of being dragged into a political spectacle beyond its control. Google.
http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/bank-inquiry-another-humiliation-for-malcolm-turnbull-20171128-gzuflf
All Australian doctors aged 70 or over will have to undergo regular health checks to prove they are fit to practise, as part of a new plan to weed out dangerous medical professionals. Those who work in isolation, such as solo GPs, will also face additional scrutiny, as will those who have received multiple proven complaints against them.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/health/health-checks-for-older-doctors-to-prove-theyre-fit-to-practise-20171128-gzucg7.html
Section 2 . . .
The Victorian government was trying to overcome a last stand last night by opponents of its voluntary assisted dying laws.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/euthanasia-laws-face-lastminute-stalling-tactics-20171128-gzuihk.html
Peter Martin tells us about the slide the marriage industry has been on and how the SSM success may provide the boost it needs.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/an-industry-in-need-to-help-marriage-falls-to-alltime-lows-20171128-gzufqm.html
James Massola tells us a banking inquiry is now all but inevitable as another Nat threatens to cross the floor.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/banking-inquiry-all-but-inevitable-after-another-nationals-mp-vows-to-cross-floor-20171127-gztm8l.html
Michael Pascoe pours scorn on the government’s rumblings on taxation.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/reading-between-the-cargo-cult-policy-lines-screams-and-tears-20171128-gzug1u.html
Peter Martin on the signs that the RBA is getting set to raise the cash rate.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/reserve-bank-to-hike-cash-rate-oecd-says-20171128-gzuhai.html
Will the newly announced AMEO rules actually drive down prices by changing the 30 minute trading intervals down to 5 minutes? It may very well do so, but will it be a big enough change to be noticed?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/energy/new-electricity-trading-interval-to-cut-power-prices-20171128-gzucst.html
Yet another harmful effect of the Abbott/Turnbull NBN stuff up.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/telstra-ducks-on-dividend-impact-from-nbn-move-20171127-gzu079.html
Jay Weatherill has put forward new legislation he says would ensure a royal commissioner could compel interstate witnesses to co-operate with an inquiry on the River Murray. Bring it on! Google.
/news/south-australia/river-murray-royal-commissioner-gets-powers-to-compel-interstate-witnesses-to-cooperate/news-story/87a278dee1f95d3e2bed42756563d45a
America is in crisis and the Republican tax plan will make that worse.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/28/america-crisis-republican-tax-plan
Ross Gittins points to low wages growth as the reason we are feeling the cost of living crunch.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/low-wages-growth-is-the-real-reason-you-are-feeling-the-costofliving-pinch-20171127-gzu2iy.html
Section 3 . . .
From world’s best economy in 2013, Australia has tumbled each year in the IAREM global rankings, dropping to 13th in 2016 and now down to 18th. IA’s econometrics specialist Alan Austin reveals the winners and losers for 2017.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/worlds-best-economies-congratulations-singapore-commiserations-australia,10973
Stephen Koukoulas writes that the changing nature of work is causing significant disruption within the economy and for workers confronting an erosion of their take home pay and basic workplace conditions.
https://thekouk.com/item/553-the-changing-nature-of-work-and-what-to-do-about-it.html
Telco sources have told The New Daily that NBN Co halted its HFC rollout because of an order from the national consumer watchdog. So much for Morrow’s BS pitch!
http://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2017/11/28/nbn-hfc-accc/
NEG: How the Turnbull government is digging itself into a hole.
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/neg-turnbull-government-digging-hole/
David Brooks compares the new tech companies to Big Tobacco.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/how-evil-is-tech-20171128-gzuqs5.html
Thinking that what is happening on Manus Island is wrong isn’t just a matter of opinion. Dr Samuel Douglas argues that we have good reason to think that it isn’t morally justifiable and neither is the behaviour of the politicians who continue to support it.
https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/the-ethics-of-manus-island,10968
What in the hell is going on in New England? Has a D-notice been issued or what?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barnaby-joyce-claims-he-is-being-stalked-following-a-heated-encounter-at-a-new-england-pub-20171128-gzu583.html
Kate McClymont continues her story on Don Burke.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/don-burke-campaigned-against-domestic-violence-in-1993-despite-complaints-from-women-20171128-gzumex.html
John Birmingham writes that men like Burke grow tall when no one’s clipping the weeds.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/men-like-burke-grow-tall-when-no-ones-clipping-the-weeds-20171127-gzu2p8.html
Is BHP going to properly kick off the Olympic Dam mine?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/500-years-of-resource-bhp-makes-the-case-for-olympic-dam-expansion-20171128-gzudel.html
Section 4 . . .
ANZ Bank has sacked a “small” group of its bankers for taking illegal drugs at a work-related event and recently let another staff member go for sexually harassing a woman from a rival banking organisation at a separate outing. Fair enough too.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/anz-sacks-bankers-for-drugs-sexual-harassment-20171128-gzun3v.html
Fairfax is going after Sam Dastyari again.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-senator-sam-dastyari-warned-wealthy-chinese-donor-huang-xiangmo-his-phone-was-bugged-20171127-gzu14c.html
This is interesting. Scientists are challenging the status quo with the concept of “Open Science”.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/scientists-challenge-the-status-quo-20171101-gzd2hn.html
Section 5 . . . Cartoon Corner
David Rowe forks Don Burke.
Cathy Wilcox with a telling contribution here.
As does Fiona Katauskas as she completes the refugee cycle.
Another on asylum seekers from Fiona.
Matt Golding also has a cycle theme with asylum seekers.
John Shakespeare on Channel Nine’s part in the Don Burke issue.
Mark David and Turnbull’s moral challenge.
Peter Broelman on PHON’s effort in the Qld election.
Paul Zanetti reckons no-one won the Qld election.
Glen Le Lievre and women’s revenge on Don Burke.
Mark Knight goes to Burke’s Back Yard.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/latest-mark-knight-cartoons/news-story/262cc75075611d12f81c43e338c83303
Matt Golding with Turnbull’s problems with the Nats.
Alan Moir finds Don Burke.
Jon Kudelka and the first Hottest 100.
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/3a8a8cf5ac642bf0acf98a5197274f34
Fulvio Sammut @ #557 Wednesday, November 29th, 2017 – 12:41 am
Of course ABC news this morning chose to repeat this ‘old shit’.
The article, shown to me by a friend, is an old Times of Israel piece speculating about whether the Australian PM is a Jew.
“My mother always used to say that her mother’s family was Jewish,” it quotes Mr Turnbull as saying.
The Prime Minister goes on to say he has “never really looked into it” – just like John Alexander, now resigned from Parliament, had not looked into his father’s situation.
My Israeli friend would be proud if Mr Turnbull shared his religion.
“Your Prime Minister could even come here and live,” he said. This is what set off my alarm bella
https://thesydney.news/2017/11/28/malcolm-turnbulls-jewish-comments-raise-citizenship-questions/
guytaur
‘My Israeli friend would be proud if Mr Turnbull shared his religion.’
Well, Turnbull is a Catholic, so he doesn’t.
To be granted Israeli citizenship, you not only have to have a Jewish parent, but you have to go and live in Israel. You can’t have followed any other faith than Judaism (even followers of some branches of Judaism don’t qualify).
As someone who lives in Australia and openly professes to be Catholic, Turnbull doesn’t qualify.
As a friend of mine said, it’s hardly likely that a country as security conscious as Israel would hand out citizenships willy-nilly.
I don’t quite understand the Yougov / Fifty Acres calculation of the TPP. The primary votes for Labor and the Greens actually went down, but the Labor TPP went up. Then again, their TPP have been suspect since inception, so who knows?
Zoomster
Read the article.
Ihnatko: Yes, this is THAT BAD. Your Mac (running High Sierra) is wide-open vulnerable when left unattended.
lemiorhan: @AppleSupport @Apple You can access it via System Preferences>Users & Groups>Click the lock to make changes. Then use “root” with no password. And try it for several times. Result is unbelievable! pic.twitter.com/m11qrEvECs
Actually, that is one of the crappest articles I’ve read for a while. The author continually raises an issue, provides evidence that his view of it is wrong and then continues to argue the same line. It’s the height of intellectual dishonesty.
‘Except, that is, for Israel’s ‘Right of Return’ and Citizenship Law, which allows Jewish descendants to settle and claim citizenship.’
Notice the word “Return” there. And ‘settle’ and ‘claim’. Nothing there to suggest that because your mother or grandmother was Jewish, it’s automatic.
Yet his next sentence is —
‘Under Jewish tradition, the religion extends through the female line. Hence, if your mother or grandmother is Jewish, you may be Jewish too.’
I’ll accept he might be confusing religion and citizenship. The article does not suggest we’re dealing with an intellectual giant.
‘A Jew, exercising his or her rights under Israeli law, must make an affirmative act of acceptance in order to gain nationality.
But the case of Barnaby Joyce shows one need not be aware of the rights nor even seek to have these rights recognised to be invalidly elected.’
Right, so let’s talk about an apple and an orange and pretend they’re the same thing.
Barnaby has citizenship automatically conferred on him. He didn’t need to do anything.
To get Israeli citizenship – which isn’t, one repeats, the same thing as being of the Jewish religion – you have to move to Israel. Even then, it isn’t automatic.
‘In 1970 the Right of Return law was extended to cover not only those who by Jewish tradition are born Jews, but also to a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew.m
If Mr Turnbull’s maternal line is in fact Jewish then he himself may have a Right of Return and a right to apply for citizenship, even if he chooses not to exercise it.’
Right. So he hasn’t exercised it, so he’s not in breach of S44.
‘I do not in any way criticise the Israeli law. For people of Jewish descent these laws are indeed a good thing.
But there could be an unintended consequence for not only Mr Turnbull, but Jewish MPs including Josh Frydenburg, Michael Danby and Mark Dreyfus.
Professor Rubenstein may be right that the lack of ‘positive affirmation’ is enough to say a person does not yet have Israeli nationality, or she may be wrong. It is open to a court to rule that the right exists even if not yet exercised.’
The court has so ruled. If you’re not a dual citizen, you’re not a dual citizen.
‘For the PM his positive affirmation of the Christian faith may have renounced his rights under the 1970 amendment to Israeli law, but what of other Jewish MPs?’
Sort of defeats the whole premise of the article. The author knows that Turnbull is not Jewish in any sense of the word.
‘Would the High Court say that in absence of a renunciation Jewish MPs have the rights even if not yet exercised, and hence are disqualified? Possibly.’
No.
You’ve already proved you’re about as thick as a bucket of bricks, you don’t have to gild the lily.
‘If Section 44, combined with the impacts of the 1950 and 1970 laws in Israel, prohibits Jews from running then Section 44 must change.’
Well, it doesn’t, so apparently it needn’t.
Personally, preventing someone who resides permanently in Israel from running for a seat in the Australian Parliament seems to me to be a Good Thing.
‘No other comparable democracy I have found has a similar provision in its law.’
And neither does this one. Or at least, not the way you’ve interpreted it.
‘Australia, where over half the population have at least one parent born overseas…’
Factually incorrect.
https://thesydney.news/2017/11/28/malcolm-turnbulls-jewish-comments-raise-citizenship-questions/
Many thanks BK
I am so please that Mr. Geo. F. Brandis’ ship occasionally sails with the wind and airborne change carried by the gentle south seas coriolis driven currents bring soothing thoughts of peace and reconciliation.
By George ❗ quoth Foghorn to Henery I think he’s got it ❗ Pretend to be one of the good guys and reap the rewards; stop biting my leg Henery and point me to the nearest bullshit announcement generator, we must get ahead of the pack, they’re closing fast. Is that a terrorist I can see minding his own business over Western Sydney way ❓
Henery, dammit, let go and call out the defenders of our Austrian way of life- the AFP, a raid, that’s what’s required, a raid; now get me a line to Channel Nine News.
Oh ❗ The NBN provided telephone is out of order. OK, then help me with another problem, I need to find a good word for Mr. Zanetti.
……………………………………………………………………………………….
Question. Do roosters and chicken hawks drink coffee ❓ ☕
zoomster
Nice taken out of the context of what the article is saying.
The whole point of the article is about changing S44
The author does not conclude the quote you make from the PMO is wrong. Just that the court has not so ruled.
Its a legal argument it’s not decided argument is the contention.
I agree with the argument myself because it appears to me joining another religion does indeed extinguish the right of return.
However what about Josh Frydenberg?
Good Morning Bludgers 🙂
Okay, so the reason Malcolm Turnbull used to run awa…er, cancel the House of Reps for the week, that is, that the Senate needed to debate the SSM Bill, has now, because he cancelled the HOR, turned into the reason WHY the SSM Bill will NOT be passed this week when it could have been:
Also, just to prove that the Turnbull government all have political tin ears, the Dirt Unit has reheated the old smears against Senator Sam Dastyari about his relationship with Chinese Australians, in an attempt to dun the name of Labor in Bennelong, not realising that the Chinese Australians in Bennelong might actually like Australian politicians that treat prominent Chinese Australians with respect.
And, you know, that might just make MORE of them vote for the Labor candidate in the upcoming Bennelong by-election.
What absolutely useless wastes of political oxygen!
Not that I mind, mind you. 🙂
Raaraa
MyGov have seen a gap in the market for ‘close but slightly out of whack poll’ since Morgan stopped and have filled it.
zoomster,
Could you do italics or blockquotes when you are quoting someone else’s post? It makes it a lot easier to read and comprehend. 🙂
guytaur
If people have to resort to such crap arguments – and outright lies – in order to have S44 changed, that strengthens the case for keeping it.
In this case, the author knows he’s wrong (unless he is even stupider than the article makes him out to be, which isn’t really possible) but it doesn’t suit his contention, so he pretends he’s not.
The court has ruled on whether or not merely having the right to be a citizen makes you one, and clearly said it doesn’t. You have to actually BE a dual citizen for Section 44 to apply, and not even the author, in the height of his nuttiness, suggests that Malcolm is one. (Indeed, after several paragraphs based on the contention that Malcolm is Jewish, he then concedes that he isn’t).
Unless you want to appear equally stupid, I’d stop defending the guy.
The conservatives in the Senate have only themselves to blame for the way their SSM amendments are being voted down. It was a tremendous blunder on their part to put them out as a package in the late unlamented Paterson Bill, as that made it clear to one and all that their overall agenda was far more extreme than might have been inferred from some of the amendments considered individually. They have been blown up by their own bomb.
C@
I’ve never worked out how to do either!! (I used to be OK when it was just a case of using square brackets…)
Thanks BK
Not a major shift in power prices, but an incentive to install batteries, which can respond in milliseconds, unlike gas generators which take more than 5 minutes.
guytaur
‘However what about Josh Frydenberg?’
Does he live in Israel, or has he ever spent considerable amounts of time (as in several months) living in Israel?
If the answer is yes, Josh is possibly an Israeli citizen (providing he has never followed any other religion than Judaism in his life).
But I think in either case, someone would have noticed.
zoomster
Zoom:
I’ve never worked out how to do either!! (I used to be OK when it was just a case of using square brackets…)
Use pointy brackets with i and /i enclosed by pointy brackets:
Using square brackets to illustrate:
[i] this will be in italics [/i]
guytaur
Barnaby was born with the right to New Zealand citizenship. He did not need to seek it.
To get Israeli citizenship, you have to (i) never have followed any other religion than Judaism and (ii) move to Israel to live. Even then, it isn’t automatic.
Zoomster
For quote use > instead of square brackets.
After block of text second one has to have / just after <