Courtesy of The Australian, the latest fortnightly Newspoll finds Labor maintaining its two-party lead of 52-48, although the primary vote has Labor down a point to 36% and the Coalition up one to 39% – reflecting the fact that the Coalition clearly had rounding going in its favour in the earlier poll. The Greens and “others” are steady at 10% and 15%. There is little change on personal ratings, with Malcolm Turnbull down one on approval to 31% and up one on disapproval to 56%, while Bill Shorten is down one to 35% and steady on 51%, and Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister increases from 44-33 to 45-30. The poll also finds 39% agreeing that renewable energy targets are unrealistic versus 36% for disagree. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1622.
UPDATE (Essential Research): The latest result of the Essential Research fortnightly rolling average has Labor recovering its 52-48 lead on two-party preferred, after slipping to 51-49 last week. On the primary vote, the Coalition is down two points to 38%, Labor is steady at 36%, the Greens are up two to 10%, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation is steady at 6% and the Nick Xenophon Team is steady at 3%. The poll also features Essential’s monthly reading of leadership ratings, which has Malcolm Turnbull up three on approval to 38% and down two on disapproval to 41%; Bill Shorten up one to 37% and down one to 40%; and Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister at 41-28, down from 41-26. The other questions follow up on the recent controversy generated over the pollster’s finding that half of respondents would favour a ban on Muslims migrating to Australia, and demonstrates the importance of how questions are framed. In particular, 53% professed themselves concerned at the number of Muslims in Australia with 42% not concerned, but 56% said prospective migrants families should not be rejected on the basis of religion with 24% taking the other view. The poll also found 61% taking a positive view of multiculturalism with 23% for negative. A question on renewable energy had 60% identifying it as “the solution to our energy needs”, with only 16% opting for the alternative, “a threat to future energy supply”.
bushfire bill @ #91 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:43 am
He scores 1 out of 3 with me there.
The trains should be built in Australia, be it Newcastle or elsewhere.
The laws on bars have been proven to work and should have their coverage extended.
Uber should have faced the full force of the law, but the taxi industry was in need of reform rather than the bullies being rewarded.
Vic:
I’m with you on Baird. I always thought O’Farrell had more substance and authority.
Thus Spake Mungo: Turnbull, the bankers’ best mate
So the great inquisition is over, and the tycoons have laughed all the way back to their respective banks.
As the gleeful business spruikers pointed out, the politicians did not lay a glove on them – they were lashed with a feather, flogged with a limp lettuce leaf. But did anyone seriously expect that it would be different – even (perhaps especially) Malcolm Turnbull?
The leader of the plutocracy, the Commonwealth Bank’s Ian Narev, explained that although his base salary was a mere $2.5 million a year, he made up for that with some $10 million in additions – not , he insisted, bonuses, but hard-earned rewards for performance. And it has to be said that Narev and his cronies performed brilliantly – they should be nominated for Oscars.
Brian Hartzer told the parliamentary committee that in his view a royal commission would produce little value – in other words, lay off or else. And the first warning shots have already been fired: three of the big four have said that they would no longer donate directly to party funds, and the fourth is considering its position.
Ironically, this would hurt the coalition more that it hurts Labor; the conservatives had always received about two thirds of the total loot. But it should be seen as a gentle flexing of muscles: don’t mess with us. And this means all of you.
Shorten is, for the moment, remaining defiant: a courageous decision, as they say. But Turnbull is cautious to the point of timidity – or perhaps it is simply realism. After all, he knows just how much clout the bankers can provide and how ruthlessly they can exercise it.. He was once one himself.
MORE : http://www.echo.net.au/2016/10/thus-spake-mungo-turnbull-bankers-best-mate/
c@tmomma @ #86 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:35 am
You may have that arse about. Not sure who would have been on the make and who needed protection. 😯
Good wishes for lizzie, she owes me an imaginary drink. 🙂
BK
What happened to your Zeta? Can you share some stories with fellow PB about your experiences?
You can say one thing about the South Australians… they had and have a way with some interesting manufacturing over the years notwithstanding the car industry… Freighter-Lawton buses, SAR Islington built ‘Red Hen’ and ‘Bluebird’ railcars, Lightburn fridges, stobie poles and the list goes on.
Saw Turnbull (with Cash and a number of other hangers-on) out earlier with one of the local volunteer fire brigades going on about legislation to protect volunteers.
The only thing this has to do with the Federal Govt is that he can stick one to Dan Andrews.
The Libs hate Andrews with a vengeance because he just tells them to GF’d.
It’s always the way isn’t it? The bully claims to be being bullied.
Bemused, no-one has appointed you to be the gatekeeper here. You don’t own or run this blog. Nobody has asked you to analyse their character, their actions, their mental health, or to call them names because something they said doesn’t please you.
You have almost zero self-awareness when it comes to how obnoxiously you behave. Sure, you use only words, but words, even anaymous words can hurt people who are vulnerable. You seem to have an unerring instinct to pick on people who have done nothing to hurt you or offend you, except perhaps to make a comment or an observation that, in your own estimation, takes the attention you think you so richly deserve away from you.
I admire your stamina. You never let an insult, a slight or an opinion – real or imagined (most imagined) – go by without, not only a comment, but a vicious personal slur against the person who innocently provided it. You hand around for hours, you read all the comments you missed, trawling for something to respond to in your typical nasty manner.
It’s not just this blog. You are the type of person who, I’m sure, has heard this about himself before, probably right throughout your life. Yet you probably wonder how so many, everywhere you go, can be so wrong when you are so right, all the time. No wonder you get angry. Nothing is sacred
You should stop it, stop the gratuitous insults, the petty name-calling, the character assessments and the deliberate upsetting of people here who just want to have a mag about politics and life unmolested by uber egos like yours. It’s called “Getting on with people”. Perhaps a better way of putting it is: “Don’t shit in your own nest”. Because, by doing so, you’re shitting in everyone else’s.
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/10/09/clinton-leads-six-points-trump-support-falls/
The turmoil of the last few days in the race for the Presidency have given Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton her widest lead over Republican Donald Trump in two months. The new Economist/YouGov Poll was conducted mostly after the release of a 2005 video recording of Trump making vulgar statements about women and his behavior towards them and as a number of GOP leaders rejected those statements and a number of them rejecting Trump as well.
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/10/08/trump-voters-oh-pa-tape-revelations/
In a new wave of the YouGov/CBS News 2016 Battleground Tracker Democrat Hillary Clinton leads her Republican challenger, Donald Trump, in Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
The surveys were conducted before the release, Friday, of tapes showing Donald Trump speak in lewd terms about groping women. But a follow-up survey that recontacted the same voters from Friday to Saturday in Pennsylvania and Ohio reveals the vast majority of those who said they would vote for Trump earlier in the week are unmoved about by tapes so far. In both states, only 8% of Trump’s supporters who have heard about the tape say the revelations have made them think worse of the candidate, while 2% say they now think better of Trump. The remaining Trump voters (91% in Ohio and 90% in Pennsylvania) say the tapes have had no impact on their view of Trump.
However, it is too soon to determine the full impact of the tapes. Less than half of the Republican nominee’s own supporters have yet seen the tape, and around one in five reported not having heard anything about it. There is other evidence of how damaging the controversy could be as Trump tries to build a winning coalition: among those in Ohio and Pennsylvania who are undecided or supporting third-party candidates, less than 1% think better of Trump after the tapes and 48% think worse. One in five Republicans and two in five independents think less of Trump over the controversy.
KayJay – Did you enjoy the car racing yesterday?
I had it on but had visitors so only saw bits of it.
What seemed to be fairly organised in the middle turned into a real bash and crash in the last 30 or so laps.
Zoomster..
..I suspect Guytaur hasn’t been within cooee of a horse, let alone ridden one..
..doesn’t stop him from making definitive statements about the issue, but..
Newspoll definitely need a Coal Award for asking 2 really loaded questions about renewable energy.
Ctar1
Re Dashing Dan A.
Ran into a former ALP pollie on the route 12 tram last week in town and we started chatting. According to ex pollie Dan is ‘on the right tram and kicking goals’ and furthermore causing heartburn for the Feds particularly re the CFA but also infrastructure projects. Only down side is that he still likes the occasionally junk food much to the consternation of Mrs Dan.
We also chatted about football and agreed the Western Bulldogs fairytail end to the season was amongst one of the best and that we agreed that the Bulldogs will be team to beat in 2017 even though we both follow the Cats.
A pleasant trip.
ctar1 @ #106 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:56 am
I have not read the legislation, but it is supposed to be about stopping a union from interfering with the way an organisation directs its volunteers.
I am not aware of the UFU ever wanting to run the CFA volunteers, so it just seems like contrived legislation to achieve exactly nothing.
markjs
Its very simple. I made clear in my last post I am not around horses.
I also made it very clear I accept what zoomster said.
I also made it very clear why I don’t buy the line of whips are needed to control horses. If you can’t control the horse on the end of a rope don’t use a rope for convenience.
Ctar1
I only watch the opening laps of a GP or Bathurst to see the stalled cars and crashes (which I suspect is the prime reason why most people tune in at the start).
By the way who actually won the Malaysian GP?
guytaur
I have bred and trained horses for over thirty years, using the gentlest methods possible. How much experience do you have?
zoomster
If you are training horses thats a different thing to banning whips on racetracks.
I am sure you have had the experience of the whip not controlling the horse when panic sets in.
You are as you said using the whip as a signal not for pain. Use something else.
Once the reins are on when horse is broken rider should have control no need for whip. More signal control than a whip and a rope.
BK!
The Feds are finally getting serious about the VET sector (not sure if you covered this in your Dawn Patrol)
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/vocational-loans-hit-list-revealed-jewellery-making-fitness-coaching-to-lose-support-20161009-gry4qe.html
A list will be released of all 476 courses to have their funding withdrawn later today.
On Friday the Australian Institute of Professional Education announced they had gone into voluntary liquidation affecting 16K students.
guytaur
‘ If you can’t control the horse on the end of a rope don’t use a rope for convenience.’
Er, how else would you lead a horse? Getting a horse on the end of a rope is the first step in training a horse to do anything.
If you can’t get a horse on the end of a rope, then you can’t administer medical treatment (I’ve seen untrained horses go blind as a result), you can’t move them from one paddock to another, you can’t separate a horse out which is being bullied by other horses, you can’t do their hooves, etc etc etc.
I’m not sure how you think horses are managed.
Baird had to act.
He didn’t have to over react. No one has argued against tougher regs. The ban is all Baird’s idea. Taking the Action Man pose I suspect.
And yes BB the local government and development issues are far greater issues for Baird, but the Greyhounds ban played strongly into the same ‘screw the little people and help your rich mates’ theme.
bushfire bill @ #107 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:58 am
More bloviating by good ol’ Foghorn Leghorn in full high dudgeon mode.
The irony is that he displays all the negative attributes he attributes to me but lacks the insight to see it.
steven
The feds think they are onto a winner re the CFA stoush. They are going ahead with it full guns blazing despite the matter being before the Supreme Court here in Victoria
7 days out of 100 is still slack. Does this govt have nothing it wants to achieve?
Staying in Government. Turnbull’s person priority is staying PM
Sitting days in Parliament (and getting all his enemies in one place to plot) does nothing to advance either aim for this mob and their ‘leader’.
guytaur
‘Once the reins are on when horse is broken rider should have control no need for whip. More signal control than a whip and a rope.’
Um, you do realise that the purpose of reins is to inflict pain?
Try putting a pen across your mouth and pulling back hard. Then tap your bottom with the same pen using the same amount of pressure. The pen (the bit, which goes at the end of the reins) hurts more than the tap (whip).
zoomster
Training is only of issue where control of the horse is essential. When you have reins on the horse the reins control the horse. Race riders do not ride horses in need of being broken and training.
confessions @ #98 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 9:51 am
Mal the Magnificent achieved the only thing he wanted … 100 days ago.
zoomster
Then you are saying that the use of whips is to inflict pain.
Something the race industry denies.
Steven
The Zeta story.
Around 1966 I and five colleagues working in the Materials Engineering Laboratory at Chrysler Aust Ltd decided to take a Zeta sedan “off the hands” of an older colleague for the princely sum of ten pounds. We were going to use it as a pool car for when any of us had a car off the road.
Getting to know the vehicle was quite a bit of fun. In particular the need to reverse the polarity of the engine electrics in order to get a revers gear created some interesting opportunities. Like hurtling through four gears going backwards . And I’ve gotta tell you that the handling under those circumstances was rather a handful (akin to riding a bicycle with your arms folded onto the handlebars).
Memorable was the time four of the owners took the unit on a trip through the Adelaide Hills to Mount Pleasant (which is where I’m heading in a few minutes for a meeting) to do a spot of rabbit shooting. We got as far as Stirling when there was a catastrophic burning out of the wiring loom. Fortunately one of us lived nearby so he went and got pots of wire and some tools and we spent an our in the lights outside the council chambers completely rewiring it. We got it going and took off on the expedition. It wasn’t much of an off-road vehicle and encountered more than a few rough spots. As it turned out two of the three of the engine mounts (aluminium casting) ended up being broken.
Coming home we let it rip and we were overtaken on the down track only by an E-type Jaguar!
We managed to get one of the engine mounts welded up and advertised the thing for sale. We ended up getting $150 for it.
Fun days!
The greyhound ban was a naked attack on the NSW working class ..trouble is, many of them live in National held seats..
..bad political judgement by Baird ..exposed his true Tory mindset of ‘SCREW THE WORKERS!!’..
..it’s in their DNA!!
victoria @ #122 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:19 am
What do your union connections say about it Victoria?
Seems to me it is a lot of noise about nothing and should have zero effect on the UFU. Have I missed something?
ctar1 @ #109 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:01 am
I did watch quite a bit of the Bathurst race. Most of the race was a demonstration of how good these cars are and how the smallest component failure can wreck millions of dollars in preparation, support and backup.
The final crash, which thankfully resulted in no injury, was a shame. But, as they say “that’s motor racing”.
I am very interested in from whence the cars will be sourced in coming years.
Apparently Newcastle will be hosting a round from next year. I still won’t be going but I am sure the local rev heads will love it. To your good health. 😎
You would know by now that Rosberg won the Japanese GP.
guytaur
No, I’m not – training horses is about teaching them to avoid pain. Thus a light touch of the reins doesn’t hurt, but reminds the horse that if it doesn’t respond appropriately, it will cause itself pain; a light tap of the whip (again, tap yourself with a pen on the buttocks – you have to use a lot of force for it to hurt at all, and a horse is even better padded there than you are) does the same.
Reins are a tool; whips are a tool; used properly neither causes pain.
zoomster
Right so now we are on the same page. Ban the use of whips in racing. Reins are enough to control the horse. The whip is abused by jockeys to get the horse to run fast.
Baird’s problem is that just about everything that he’s done shows a brazen arrogance for those affected including lack of consultation, excessive spin and bullshit and general contempt for the electorate.
Greyhounds is but one example, and BB is right – the overdevelopment of Sydney is the worst.
Baird always was, and always will be a spiv of the worst sort.
Hasn’t Bill Shorten handled the politics of the SSM plebiscite beautifully?..
..I note that polls now have 2/3rds of voters wanting a parliamentary vote, a far cry from several weeks ago when the majority wanted a plebiscite..
..well played, Bill ..I’m proud of youse!! 🙂 🙂
Zoomster
I have a good friend who is into “natural horse training.” She never uses a whip but is a first rate trainer. it is not essential to cause pain.
I am no expert but are there not now moves for pain free or reduced bits?
..actually, ‘pressure’ is a better word than ‘pain’.
I have to agree Shorten has played the SSM thing very well, although he had a bit of help from Georgie Porgie and the RWNJ.
One for the horse lovers…
The Amish Buggy
An Amish lady is trotting down the road in her horse and buggy when she is pulled over by a cop.
Ma’am, I’m not going to ticket you, but I do have to issue you a warning. You have a broken reflector on your buggy.
Oh, I’ll let my husband, Jacob, know as soon as I get home.
That’s fine. Another thing, ma’am. I don’t like the way that one rein loops across the horse’s back and around one of his balls. I consider that animal abuse. That’s cruelty to animals. Have your husband take care of that right away!
Later that day, the lady is home telling her husband about her encounter with the cop.
Well, dear, what exactly did he say? He said the reflector is broken.
I can fix that in two minutes. What else?
I’m not sure, Jacob … something about the emergency brake…
zoomster @ #132 Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:28 am
What type of pen are you thinking of? In the days of “Madam Lash” I cannot recall talk of this little peccadillo. Enlightenment please. 🙂
By the way – just who is the tapper and who would be the buttocks possessor? How much would it cost to play this game? :silly smilie:
Guytaur – you have no idea what you’re talking about with regards to horses, especially in horse racing.
dtt
Yes – the only time I rode a ‘naturally trained’ horse, it nearly killed me. I asked it to walk through a puddle, and a few minutes later the horse had gone completely haywire.
Apparently it was fine until it was asked to do something that it didn’t want to do.
I use the ‘yield to pressure’ method, which is about as painless as you can get; the horse is put into situations where it has to work out for itself what the required behaviour is. (I get hurt more than the horses do; most memorably, a horse lunged forward and bit me on the breast!)
However, when you are riding, and the horse does not want to go forward, you can’t convey the message that it should through reins alone; unless the horse has had hundred of hours of training (a luxury not available to many, which is why top dressage horses cost hundreds of thousands) you have a choice of kicking it in the guts or tapping it with a whip.
zoomster
The point DTT makes is a good one. However I don’t think people are calling for the banning of reins. What people are calling for is a ban on using whips in horse racing.
The horses have reins on in horse racing.
I also agree with catmomma that other practices in horse racing are likely to cause horses to behave erratically and if that means the owners trainers and jockeys have to stop pushing the horse so much (yes a minority but the deaths of horses for entertainment is a minority by those pushing for a win before welfare of horses.)
If the reins are not enough to control the horse something is wrong and the whip is not of much use.
Bushfire Bill,
I think you are wrong about the Greyhound issue. It may not be as big a thing as Council Amalgamations or the West Connex home acquisition, or the over-development of the Outer North Shore among the people you converse with, but it was placed on the record today that EVERY Nationals MP, bar the 3 who crossed the floor to vote against the ban on Greyhound Racing was at severe likelihood of losing their seat at the next NSW State Election. There was a massive swing on for the Orange By-election which may not have lost the Nationals the seat but which outcome would be a large embarrassment to the Nationals and the Coalition, and it was in large part due to the Greyhound Racing ban AND the Council Amalgamations. There’s no over-development out there or freeways going through their front yards.
Trump is going after Bill Clinton in the debate. On CNN now with Clinton accusers.
…I had one mare who would stop still in the middle of a forest track, miles from anywhere; no amount of persuasion would move her forward, and I usually didn’t carry a whip (I wasn’t racing, just riding). On more than one occasion, I had to dismount, find a nice stick, and then remount before we could get moving again!
Markjs
Completely agree with you on Mr Shorten and the plebiscite. Its only the media that has got in a lather about Labor not opposing the plebiscite. The gay community has known Labor is going to block it.
The ball is back in Turnull’s court. He will have to either let a free vote happen or be seen to cower for the right anti gay bigots.
I say anti gay bigots because even some that oppose marriage equality see the sense in parliament voting not wasting money on a plebiscite.
I can tell anyone who wants to listen ..there would not be a single jockey in Australia ..ney, the world ..who would EVER get on a race-horse sans whip ..not one..
..whatever Guytaur has to say on the matter..
Kay Jay,
I used to work for ‘Madam Lash’.
….As a seamstress who used to sew up her Bondage gear. Ah, the ways we put ourselves through Uni. : )
Kayjay
The cars that drive around Bathurst have nothing to do with any car made or sold in Australia other than the shape of the fibreglass body. One of the reasons for having “Volvo” and “Nissan” who don’t currently sell V8 powered cars is so they can continue with “ford” and “holden” when they are made elsewhere.