A fairly pronounced narrowing in the Coalition’s lead may now be observed on the BludgerTrack poll aggregate charts, thanks mostly to an unusually soft result for the Turnbull government in this week’s Morgan result. This shows up as a 0.6% move to Labor on two-party preferred since last week, but it’s only made a slight difference on the seat projection, which credits the Coalition with a net gain of one seat since the 2013 election despite a 0.4% lower two-party vote. The aggregate also records a lift in support for the Greens, who had had some of the wind taken out of their sails when Malcolm Turnbull became Prime Minister. The addition of new figures from Essential Research to the leadership ratings results in essentially no change to an overall picture of Turnbull enjoying massive but nonetheless slightly reduced leads over Bill Shorten on both net approval and preferred prime minister.
BludgerTrack: 53.1-46.9 to Coalition
A dip in support for the Coalition recorded by Morgan makes its presence felt in the latest weekly poll aggregate reading, although the Coalition is still projected as on track to retain its thumping majority from 2013.
guytaur @ 40,
‘ The state result in NSW where the Greens won a seat from the Nationals proves that things are starting to break down for the Nationals.’
The Greens won that seat largely due to demographic change and because of the preference allocation against the Labor candidate who came very close to winning it as well, if I remember correctly.
‘ The Nationals have to change or they are a dead parrot of a party. Its just how long will it take for new parties to make inroads to their vote that is in question.’
The only change I have noticed is that they don’t want the Chinese buying out all their farms. Though if you look at that picture in the Hun the Chinese have found willing Liberals and LNP MPs as a workaround that.
I know there have been changes at the margins to Nationals policy but it still seems as though they are in the thrall of Big Agriculture and Big Mining (they are still pushing the Adani case & *Barnaby* is it’s chief proponent).
C@tmomma
[Not wanting to be disrespectful to country folk but I do know that voting National is something that is ingrained in their local communities]
CSG mining is certainly doing some breaking of this ‘bond’.
guytaur @ 40,
‘ The state result in NSW where the Greens won a seat from the Nationals proves that things are starting to break down for the Nationals.’
The Greens won that seat largely due to demographic change and because of the preference allocation against the Labor candidate who came very close to winning it as well, if I remember correctly.
‘ The Nationals have to change or they are a dead parrot of a party. Its just how long will it take for new parties to make inroads to their vote that is in question.’
The only change I have noticed is that they don’t want the Chinese buying out all their farms. Though if you look at that picture in the Hun the Chinese have found willing Liberals and LNP MPs as a workaround that.
I know there have been changes at the margins to Nationals policy but it still seems as though they are in the thrall of Big Agriculture and Big Mining (they are still pushing the Adani case & *Barnaby* is it’s chief proponent).
‘ All that community support for the Nationals is predicated on the Nationals doing the best for the community. CSG and coal mining has shown country folk that this is not necessarily the case.’
Let’s see where The Nationals and *Barnaby* goes with the Shenhua Mine on the Liverpool Plains? I guess the collapsing price may make the decision for them but if not then the government will have to make a decision. With Nationals input.
‘ Shunning people for voting Nationals only works where there is no secret ballot or people admit to voting other than National.’
Finally I will just add that the shunning may be more covert than overt these days but I still believe it would go on. Those who don’t care won’t care but there are still plenty who do.
morning all
For anyone who watches ABC24 during the mornings, I ask if there was any reporting of the latest Stuart Robert and rolex watches saga?
cat momma
Its the result that counts. A formerly National seat is now Green.
This indicates change is happening. Yes some of it is demographics but same applies to seats like that of Windsor and Oakeshott. Thats 3 seats normally National that they have lost.
All I am saying is that the assumption the Nationals have a lock on the country vote is not so true now. Others can and will challenge precisely because the majority of the rural communities are not big agriculture or big mining.
We would see polling reflecting this if it was done. Remember we have had years now of Alan Jones telling people to vote against the Nationals. He may have changed his tune now but people will remember those tirades.
victoria
Yes in the What the Papers say segment they showed the Herald Sun headline and photo.
Thanks guytaur
CTar1,
The country folk have got the result they want on CSG. So now it’s back to voting Nationals. 🙂
KEVIN-ONE-SEVEN
Well spotted.
Question is will Robert resign today and will there be more revelations to come?
[Yes some of it is demographics but same applies to seats like that of Windsor and Oakeshott. Thats 3 seats normally National that they have lost.]
Which they promptly got back again.
Similarly, Victorian Labor won a swag of Nationals seats under Bracks, and at least one other was held by an independent. This led to predictions that the Nats were gone in Victoria.
Most of these have reverted back to the Nationals, just as Oakeshott and Windsor’s did.
The bell has been tolling awhile now. When is Turnbull going to get on with it?
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/the-economy/now-that-hes-pm-malcolm-turnbull-needs-to-get-cracking-on-reform-20150916-gjnnjw.html
The thing I just don’t get about the Rolex watches fiasco is how all the recipients were fooled into thinking real watches were fakes.
Sure, I can understand how you can be fooled into thinking a fake watch is the real thing, but the other way round doesn’t make any sense. Unless Rolex are doing naff things with the real articles so their wearers can know they are wearing real ones but they are not exposing their excessive wealth (or lucky friendships).
zoomster
More signs that the Nationals lock on country seats not as strong as previously. Yes they have reverted. The point is after years of Nationals winning they lost them.
Happens once can happen again. The predictions may have been wrong on the timing but they are on the money of the direction of the LNP.
Even now the Nationals are not as strong in parliament as previously this with an election going in the conservative direction with the Abbott election.
[The thing I just don’t get about the Rolex watches fiasco is how all the recipients were fooled into thinking real watches were fakes.]
I think they’re just saying that because they think it absolves them of ‘real’ wrong-doing. ‘I’m an idiot’ though isn’t really much of a defence.
This piece explores the ideological differences between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/05/why-bernie-vs-hillary-matters-more-than-people-think/
fess,
Yeah, but it did get them elected!
GG
Turnbull is getting on with it. There is currently a renewal happening on his front bench. 😀
Windhover
Perhaps the recipients had never seen a genuine Rolex so had no way of comparing. Unless price is mentioned, as in “Wanna buy a cheap Rolex?”, it would be difficult.
Shorten presser now
Fess
I agree. Why would they think a Chinese Billionaire would give them $20 fake rolex watches. It is beyond absurd.
[Most of these have reverted back to the Nationals, just as Oakeshott and Windsor’s did.]
It also works in reverse, as per O’Connor which the Liberals won back off the Nats after only one term.
Shorten doing presser on Medicare cuts and privatisation
GG, vic:
For some reason coalition MPs excel at faking stupidity. 😀
gabriellechan: The look of love from Barnaby, via @mpbowers https://t.co/6dXfWQwTWZ
More important is has anyone looked at the gifts register to see if, when and how these Rolex watcheswere reported?
Tom.
Fess
Actually what the Libs/Nats excel at is taking the electorate for being stupid
victoria:
That too
victoria
If you’re a cheapskate like Abbott, you’d have no judgement.
This is a perceptive take on what is really happening in the Democratic nomination contest:
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/05/why-bernie-vs-hillary-matters-more-than-people-think/
Killer press conference from Labor here.
LNP will be losing a lot of votes if this is reported
Guytaur
It is an excellent presser. The health system in Australia should not be stuffed around with
Andrew Elder’s latest on the Robert saga:
[I find it hard to believe that:
Stuart Robert visited China with a major Liberal donor without the imprimatur of Peta Credlin and other control freaks in the office of then-PM Abbott (including Abbott himself); and
Robert met with government officials in China without the knowledge, and at least the tacit approval, of then and current Foreign Minister Julie Bishop; and
the press gallery and the Opposition remain focused on Robert himself and “ministerial standards” without looking to those further up the line from him; and
Prime Minister Turnbull would, with everything else he has on his plate, divert the head of his department to a minor administrative matter; and
Robert is probably the most promising ministerial-quality MP the Queensland LNP sends to Canberra; and
almost inevitably, the press gallery and the Opposition will accept a behind-closed-doors assessment from a bureaucrat as the last word on this matter, and go galumphing off after some other non-story.]
http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/a-potential-breach-of-standards.html
Yep, taking us as stupid.
From Shellbell ICAC strikes back
[The tow-truck driver is understood to have passed his phone to smash repairer George Kharadjian, who discussed the accident with Ms Cunneen, who is a friend.]
[Ms Cunneen has since admitted to discussing “fake chest pains” with Mr Kharadjian. But both have insisted Ms Cunneen was joking and the phrase was a play on words referring to Ms Tilley’s breast implants.]
What the..? A Crown prosecutor discussing her sons girlfriends breast implants with her smash repairer friend. Could only happen in Chatswood.
Chatswood is a strange place – but it reminds me of an Irish friend who found the name ‘Chatswood’ funny because back home ‘chats’ meant ‘tits’.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-strikes-back-with-phone-taps-in-battle-with-margaret-cunneen-20160210-gmqlbe.html
guytaur:
What is the press conference about pls?
confessions
The privatisation of the Medicare billing system.
Fess
And rhe proposed cuts to all pathology services which will mean patients have to contribute a co payment to the shortfall
I pay no attention to fashion or to status symbols, but I know that a Rolex Watch is pretty much up there. If someone gave me a Rolex watch I would know that it was a very valuable gift. If it were fake, I would not be able to tell.
But it defies credibility that Government Ministers and high-powered business types, attuned as they would be to symbols and expressions of power and status, would believe that representatives of the Chinese leadership gave them fake Rolexes.
Shorten zinger.
[Stuart Roberts is acting like Forrest Gump]
Thanks! This really needs to be hammered home to people as the changes potentially affect everyone.
ABC news ticker.
[Shorten; Malcolm Turnbull is losing experience at a rate of knots]
“A crocodile couldn’t swallow this series of coincidences.”
stephanieando: Shorten: To lose one Minister is careless, to lose two Ministers is unfortunate… I don’t know what they are going to say when Robert goes
The only criticism I have of Shorten’s presser is that he said “Robb’s a good bloke”.
[She doesn’t understand the pivotal role inequality plays in creating economic crisis and reducing economic growth.]
Sorry, but there’s a reason why the Southern states are seen as Clinton’s base.
These are the poorest states in America.
Clinton’s husband (Bill – you might remember him) grew up in a single parent household in one of the poorest areas of America.
He later (whilst married to Hillary) became governor of Arkansas, one of the poorest and most disadvantaged states in America.
Hillary, of course, is the prime mover behind what has become Obamacare.
Her personal experience may be one of priviledge, but to suggest she has no understanding of the impacts of inequality is simply ignorant.
Chinese are brand conscious – it’s unimaginable that they would insult their future business partners with a fake Rolex
@ confessions – I disagree with pretty much that entire approach.
The opposition, like any good cop, knows that you don’t go straight to the top.
You investigate the small fish, find evidence on them, because they are not as good at covering their tracks. Then you nail them, and in questioning them, get evidence to allow you to nail a medium sized fish, and from there it snowballs.
And Labor are absolutely hoping that Robert keeps his job today. If so, he’ll end up losing his job in 2 weeks time, after the Coalition have lost another % in the polls and Turnbull has lost 5% as PPM.
Socrates@4
In answer to your question = Yes in Perth.
Letter to the editor in local rag writes that people should not be concerned about how hot it is in Perth in February as February is, and has always been, a hot month.
Some people, as we know, think the earth is flat as you can see it is and the moon is made of green cheese.
For some, climate change, if admitted at all by these folk, is seen as a natural event which will come and go regardless.
The impact of what? nine billion people on earth is deemed as having little or no impact.
lizzie
That’s because of Robb’s bravery in speaking out about his mental health issues.
For that Robb deserves some credit in helping reduce stigma as he has shown you can have a mental illness and still be a minister.
I disagree with the decisions made but he has pursued the LNP agenda really well.
I have just caught up with BCassidy talking with Jon Faine. He says Barnaby Joyce will become leader of the Nats