The first federal poll from Galaxy since July is well in line with the trend, as Galaxy so often is, in having Labor leading 51-49 on two-party preferred. On the primary vote, the Coalition is up three to 42% and Labor down one to 36%, with the Greens on 12% (up one) and Palmer United on 4% (down three). Further questions found 62% support for Australian involvement in air strikes against Islamic State, with 21% opposed, and 75% considering the threat of a terrorist attack on Australian soil to be “real”, versus 16% who thought otherwise.
UPDATE (6/10): Roy Morgan gives the Coalition its best result since February, its primary vote up 1.5% to 40% with Labor down 2.5% to 35%. The Greens are steady at 12%, and Palmer United are down half a point to 3.5%, their weakest result since January. On two-party preferred, Labor’s lead narrows from 54.5-45.5 to 53-47 on respondent-allocated preferences, and from 53.5-46.5 to 51.5-48.5 on preference flows from the previous election. The poll was conducted over the last two weekends by face-to-face and SMS, from a sample of 3151.
[ Oh….and for those in a mad sweaty panic about all these hordes coming to Australia by boat, have a little think about this factoid.
Q: If the rate of arrivals of people seeking asylum in Australia by boat since 2001 continues indefinitely, how long would it take for Australia to reach the number of undocumented people currently in the USA?
A: Over 3,000 years ]
Silly comparison – given the United States has a population of about 320 million and Australia about 24 million.
If you don’t like Liberal government policies in relation to immigration and border security, I suggest you support other parties and stop advocating for LNP positions on sundry issues here.
David Manne et al should run for office, rather than trying to litigate to implement their immigration policies.
Please spare us your crocodile tears, babe.
I’ve just read 3 Guardian UK articles on the air strikes in Iraq & not one mention of Australias involvement.
He was chasing the ball DTT.
ModLib
nothing for it, you’ll have to turn Green.
Yes,s that is not acceptable to Australians, but indefinite detention without charge and without prospect of legal recourse is acceptable.
Given the you-would-have-thought-left-wingers here are spouting the exact lines you might expect from Scott Morrison, its problematic to think public opinion will change quickly. However, having the specialists that determine whether a child is at risk in Australia (paediatricians) saying quite definitively that they think mandatory detention is child abuse MIGHT help to change the hardened hearts (including here).
E
[you-would-have-thought-left-wingers]
Why would you think that?
I live in hope that one day you will be able to separate the concepts of “Labor” and “Left”.
Children should never be kept in detention for any longer than it takes to do security and health checks.
DN:
Yes I am learning that the current “lefties”* aint what it used to be!
*(pro-rendition and pro-indefinite detention set)
:devil:
A flyover s involvement?
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mikehilliard
Posted Monday, October 6, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink
I’ve just read 3 Guardian UK articles on the air strikes in Iraq & not one mention of Australias involvement.
]
Nono, E, see you’re still demonstrating you haven’t separated the two concepts.
[Darren Laver
Posted Monday, October 6, 2014 at 7:12 pm | PERMALINK
Oh….and for those in a mad sweaty panic about all these hordes coming to Australia by boat, have a little think about this factoid.
Q: If the rate of arrivals of people seeking asylum in Australia by boat since 2001 continues indefinitely, how long would it take for Australia to reach the number of undocumented people currently in the USA?
A: Over 3,000 years
Silly comparison – given the United States has a population of about 320 million and Australia about 24 million.]
So in per capita terms you can adjust to about 200 years then…..better?
I can’t speak for others but my view is Australia shoul do more for refugees – i would raise the quota to 100k
BUT i do not the quota to be filled by the relatively wealthy self selected. Rather we should be taking a culturally diverse intake from those in the most need.
Everything
What makes you think many of the posters here are leftwing. Mildly left of centre on some but not all issues. Indeed when you are as you are today (Hi ML) not your evil alter ego ET you are well to the left of most of the ALP supporters on this blog.
Darren Laver
Posted Monday, October 6, 2014 at 7:12 pm | Permalink
…
A: Over 3,000 years
Silly comparison – given the United States has a population of about 320 million and Australia about 24 million.
3000* 24/320 = 225 years. Still a bloody long time.
[Yes,s that is not acceptable to Australians, but indefinite detention without charge and without prospect of legal recourse is acceptable.
Given the you-would-have-thought-left-wingers here are spouting the exact lines you might expect from Scott Morrison, its problematic to think public opinion will change quickly. However, having the specialists that determine whether a child is at risk in Australia (paediatricians) saying quite definitively that they think mandatory detention is child abuse MIGHT help to change the hardened hearts (including here).]
Now that the boats have stopped, no further children will be placed in mandatory detention. Therefore, no further children will be “abused” (sic) in this manner. (Not my assertion, by the way, a very serious claim to be made.)
Surely this is a good thing and something these paediatricians are welcoming?
I think even the government’s harshest critics would give Morrison credit for delivering on this, particularly as it was explicitly promised during the campaign and in Liberal policy documents — harsh measures to stop the boats and restore confidence in the broader immigration system.
Much of their other domestic agenda was concealed from the electorate (or at least studiously ignored by a compliant and distracted press), so that is where the government’s critics are rightly focusing their attention.
Move on babe and start debating the Coalition’s social and economic agenda — funny how you keep unicorning us away from that, isn’t it!
Darren Laver:
The point of all that was to show you that you don’t need to panic.
If you want to keep yourself in a state of panic thats fine, but you should be forgetting about the boats and concentrate on the plane arrivals (which are 50% greater in number than the people arriving by boat).
Why do you worry about JUST the boat arrivals if your concern is the numbers?
I think “left” and “right” are not terribly useful terms anyway. I suppose if one wants to invent whatever meaning one wants for them one should go right ahead :P.
[Yes,s that is not acceptable to Australians, but indefinite detention without charge and without prospect of legal recourse is acceptable.
Given the you-would-have-thought-left-wingers here are spouting the exact lines you might expect from Scott Morrison, its problematic to think public opinion will change quickly. However, having the specialists that determine whether a child is at risk in Australia (paediatricians) saying quite definitively that they think mandatory detention is child abuse MIGHT help to change the hardened hearts (including here).]
Exactly.
So you would think ModLib and other so-called refugee advocates would welcome Labor’s policy of a 21,000 refugee intake rather than the Coalition’s of 13,000 odd.
Admittedly, stopping the boats frees up these places for more offshore places chosen by Australia/IOM/UNHCR rather than a self-selecting cohort who have the means to pay a smuggler — so the Coalition Govt has also improved the humanitarian aspect of the intake, even if the sum total places have not increased back to Labor’s level.
That Labor might have also inflicted psychological abuse on children is an argument so weak and stupid a 4 year old would laugh.
That the expert panel recommended something that inevitably leads to psychological mental abuse is about as laughable.
The best analysis I’ve seen is the post that the parents are using the kids as a tool to get into Australia and therefore we should inflict psychological abuse on children to punish them seems to be way ahead analysis wise.
Really as a country we are happy to continue to inflict psychological damage on children? And the answer seems to be yes and the excuses pathetic.
Not to worry, PMBO’s air armada will sort it out in a jiffy.
[Air strikes against Isis are not working, say Syrian Kurds
US-led air strikes in northern Syria have failed to interrupt the advance of Islamic State (Isis) fighters closing in on a key city on the Turkish border, raising questions about the western strategy for defeating the jihadi movement.
Almost two weeks after the Pentagon extended its aerial campaign from Iraq to neigbouring Syria in an attempt to take on Isis militants in their desert strongholds, Kurdish fighters said the bombing campaign was having little impact in driving them back.]
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/05/air-strikes-isis-not-working-syrian-kurds
[daretotread
Posted Monday, October 6, 2014 at 7:20 pm | PERMALINK
Everything
What makes you think many of the posters here are leftwing.]
I actually don’t. I think the majority of posters just support their footy team (the ALP) and the reasons for supporting the ALP (left wing principles) have long since been sold out. This is clearly demonstrated by the support for rendition, mandatory detention and the fact that folk are supporting and advocating policies initially suggested by ex-Senator Field from Family First and the Media commentator Andrew Bolt (who they pretend to hate, yet spout his exact points).
Being progressive is an illusion used to explain why someone supports the ALP when the reality is that it is just tribalism, its not about principles anymore (it might have been once, its just not that now).
[Darren Laver
…..So you would think ModLib and other so-called refugee advocates would welcome Labor’s policy of a 21,000 refugee intake ]
BINGO!
I certainly do support an increase in the numbers.
WWP
You don’t think the parents had some culpability in this?
Hmmmm… things might be getting sticky just outside of Bagdhad. The US has sent in their combat choppers.
I assume that ISIL fighters have nipped past anyone on the Iraqi Government side with guns and are busy mobilising the Bagdhad Sunni districts for the Mother of all sectarian bloodbaths* as we sit agape with the military prowess of Binnies’ Badasses.
*European wars of religion excepted, of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion
[So in per capita terms you can adjust to about 200 years then…..better?]
Yes, that is better. And funny that you did not do that the first time. You’d go well as a tabloid writer though, given your love of big headline figures!
I am not afraid. It’s a question of fairness and sovereignty.
Our refugee program is by definition limited, so it is a question for us as a nation of how best it is filled. I don’t think a self-selecting model with organised crime and an element of death en route is appropriate.
It is better drawn from directly offshore where possible and the remainder being for those who otherwise arrived here in a safe and legitimate manner, and their circumstances changed such that they could no longer return to their country of origin (eg. the genuine student who can no longer go back because war has since broken out at home).
Sadly, the Coalition have proved that only the toughest measures seem to achieve this — I was not convinced and thought we could get away with “humane” Rudd 2007 policies and tolerating a small amount of boat arrivals, but it failed as the numbers (and deaths) got worse and worse.
It was simply no way to run a program and something up with which we should not have had to put.
Labor and Liberal will never again tinker with these settings — people smugglers can try somewhere else, and we will still fill our refugee program.
We are badly over populated. Forget Manus and Nauru.
We don’t have a clue about where to put Adelaideans and Taswegians.
The number of undocumented immigrants in the US is about 12 million. The per capita equivalent for Australia would be about 900,000. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States
And I’ll gladly keep on supporting Labor while they deliver policies such as the (real) NBN, the NDIS, (proper) Medicare, (real) action on climate change, and a number of other issues which concern me, such as removing cattle from the High Plains.
I didn’t join the party because I agreed with every item on its agenda, but because it was the one most likely to deliver the kind of country I wanted.
No party which is truly a ‘broad church’ is ever going to please all its members (let alone its non members) – because there are too many conflicting ideas and values. I accept that the ideas and values Labor supports and I don’t are offset by the ideas and values Labor supports and other members don’t.
I still remember Hockey’s grandstanding comment…”Unaccompanied children in detention…over my dead body.”
Has Hockey died yet????
We don’t have a clue about where to put Adelaideans and Taswegians.
Leave them where they are……for the good of the country – please
@771
And we’re back to boring oversimplifications/generalisations in a tangled mish mash of a rant that’s not even worth unpicking.
[We don’t have a clue about where to put Adelaideans and Taswegians.]
I understand some have spoken of contingency plans for certain Pacific Islands and where their inhabitants may need to go should global warming force sea levels to rise.
But you are correct that I don’t think any government has put forward similar contingency plans for the folk in Adelaide and Taswegia.
Adelaide has about 1.3 million residents and Taswegia about 500,000 – I am not sure anyone has a clue where to put them.
New Zealand?
Darren Laver:
Yes, yes….its about numbers and sovereignty. I got it the first time.
Now, would you like to answer my point then that there have been 50% more people arriving by plane and seeking protection than arriving by boat and seeking protection.
The boat arrivals are all taken to offshore places of detention and are found to be legitimate refugees.
The plane arrivals largely left onshore (some are put in detention, but certainly not most) and are found to not be legitimate refugees in anyway near the same rate.
So, given those data, why your fascination with boats? All your points would suggest you should be arguing about plane arrivals, not boat arrivals.
Just got the insurance premium for my property in Karratha…its gone up from $302 per month to $453……fcuk….that goodness I have that extra $550 a year Tony promised me….
ET
I see you are back on AS. Reality is its not going to change for years due to 2 major parties. I did note that Tony Burke made a real effort to have no kids in detention.
I support the Green position on this issue.
So how is that budget going?
Scoresheet
It is going to take a fair bit for our six FA-18s to get up there. Not sure about how reliable:
https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1iS8dcgxO1TWP4-q6zUScBNcWvCQQ2uA8mNjnq_w#rows:id=1
poroti
[Not to worry, PMBO’s air armada will sort it out in a jiffy.]
No one seems to know we’re even there. The whole deployment is for domestic consumption & at huge financial cost.
What matters now is what the Coalition does now.
[guytaur
Posted Monday, October 6, 2014 at 7:43 pm | PERMALINK
ET
I see you are back on AS. Reality is its not going to change for years due to 2 major parties. I did note that Tony Burke made a real effort to have no kids in detention.
I support the Green position on this issue.]
Yes, I should have pointed out that the Greens have not sold out, just the ALP.
[So how is that budget going?]
What budget? My budget aint going crash hot, but I have been overseas a lot recently….
DL
I suppose we could put Adelaideans and Tawegians on drowning pacific islands.
But would that be fair to the current inhabitants?
AA
Our household insurance just went up $900 with no change to our circumstances. Must be the terrorist threat.
It is the same with the war. What matters is what the Coalition does.
Same as with the budget. What matters now is what the Coalition does now.
mh
Shop around. The insurers now do the large unnecessary increase gambit routinely.
or get yourself a better climate
ModLib
[Yes, I should have pointed out that the Greens have not sold out, just the ALP.]
And the Liberals, of course.
Are you going to vote Green from now on?
To date, our role in the ISIS war is to be the equivalent of a spare dick at a wedding.
the Australian per capita equivalent is 900,000
At the end of the farce of open borders we were getting more than 500 per week.
It would only take 36 years for us to be equivalent to the US and we can’t use them as wetbacks with a return to sender at the end of fruit picking.
[3000* 24/320 = 225 years. Still a bloody long time.]
One of the best, most compelling and succinct ripostes I have ever seen here.
Congratulations Fred!
[Posted Monday, October 6, 2014 at 7:30 pm | PERMALINK
WWP
You don’t think the parents had some culpability in this?]
No they are looking for a better life for their children – parenting 101.