The BludgerTrack poll aggregate this week continues its steady drift back to the Coalition, with new figures from Newspoll, Morgan and Essential contributing to a 0.4% shift on two-party preferred. Labor now barely maintains overall majority status on the seat projection following a further loss of two seats, one in New South Wales and one in Victoria. Tony Abbott has also recovered the lead as preferred prime minister on the back of new figures from Newspoll and Essential Research. His net approval rating also continues to get less bad in the wake of MH17, although the rate of improvement has slowed and he is still well into the negative. Bill Shorten’s loss of the preferred prime minister mantle is not on account of his own rating, which has been steady since March outside of a brief spike in the wake of the budget. Full details as always on the sidebar.
Zoomster
[But what if Labor has decided that the principle of protecting people from risking their lives unnecessarily was more important than whatever principle you think you’re invoking here?]
They don’t believe that. If they believed that they’d process them expeditiously in places like Indonesia and Malaysia where they aggregate. They’d make those camps liveable and fly in successful applicants. They’d have led an effort to secure a comprehensive global agreement on humanitarian resettlement and have proposed a system which would have settled the burdens fairly. They’d not have arbitrarily stopped processing Tamils and Afghans and have repudiated mandatory detention. They’d not be scuttling boats or arresting crew.
Also, it wouldn’t be run as ‘border security’ but as ‘refugee protection’ and there would be transparent measurement if the success or otherwise if the programs they were running.
It is very clear that their principal performance outcome was to stop IMAs regardless of the misery it inflicted by kettling them at the aggregation points or perhaps in their home countries. Luckily, those metrics are not going to come up in the stats.
Really, the policy was FOAD someplace else — just not on our doorstep.
@JillHallMP: Hockey showing his contempt by parking in disabled car spot. Not happy Joe! #auspol #hockeylogic http://t.co/BFxnWsNjXu
Zoomster
[No, but it is a problem when Greens supporters use such polling to claim the party vote is going to improve at the next election.]
Who does this??
Hockey’s quivering on the verge of bawling?
I don’t think so!
More likely his quivering was restrained anger.
DL
On that basis yes Green supporters and politicians should not talk up their chances by knowingly lying about results.
Its the knowingly part all politicians take advantage of.
[ @JillHallMP: Hockey showing his contempt by parking in disabled car spot. Not happy Joe! #auspol #hockeylogic http://t.co/BFxnWsNjXu ]
It’s clearly a mental disability.
[Wayne Swan @SwannyQLD 27m
When Hockey apologises for his denigrating lifters & leaners language people might consider his apology genuine #toolittle #toolate]
But Cr McCloy insisted that “Jeff McCloy is an individual. He is not a property developer.”…..
Maybe he should look at his own website, he Jeff McCloy says he is a developer there…maybe he should just pray his High Court challenge is successful , him
& Joe & Tony
Zoomster
[No, but it is a problem when Greens supporters use such polling to claim the party vote is going to improve at the next election.]
Not always a problem either, looks like in the lead up to 2010, the polling underestimated the Greens vote. That’s what Bludgertrack suggests anyway
Rather than berating posters here, the Greens ought to be examining their policies, reviewing their support for boatist smugglers and focus on the things that matter.
Too much obsession with their 2010 result and not enough focus on their current (growing) estrangement with the electorate.
They need to put forward real solutions. They need to address the inconsistencies between an unlimited boatist immigration policy against a sustainable population policy.
So, Hockey has apologised to poor car drivers?
New bumper sticker: I’m poor, I drive and I vote.
DL
Ditto for Labor posters.
Wishing the ABC a happy demise because it employs characters like Uhlmann is so Bludgerific.
There is a lot more to the ABC than one particular tosser.
DL
[Rather than berating posters here, the Greens ought to be examining their policies, reviewing their support for boatist smugglers and focus on the things that matter.
Too much obsession with their 2010 result and not enough focus on their current (growing) estrangement with the electorate.
They need to put forward real solutions. They need to address the inconsistencies between an unlimited boatist immigration policy against a sustainable population policy.]
WTF?
No tears from JoHo today, just angst …
And all put-on bull s%it.
Darren
See, Guytaur is definitely not a Greens voter.
DL
[They need to put forward real solutions.]
You can if you want to. Knock yourself out:
http://www.liberal.org.au/real-solutions
@billshortenmp: How does @TonyAbbottMHR’s pre-election promise stack up with @JoeHockey’s new fuel tax? #abbottslies https://t.co/pvT7PlZFjq
mike
[There is a lot more to the ABC than one particular tosser.]
You mean there is more than one tosser?
guytaur
seriously. Everything everyone says here is basically their opinion. If we have to qualify every single thing we right with ‘in my opinion’, reading the blog will get a little tedious.
If something is Joe Hockey’s opinion, or fran’s, or BB’s, or Gough Whitlam’s, I’ll say so. If it’s mine, I’ll post it under ‘zoomster’ and you can work it out from there.
Michael Pascoe SMH
“My suspicion remains that Labor, thinking it might occupy the Treasury benches again one day, was secretly relying on the Greens passing the excise thing, but you’re in trouble if you’re relying on the Greens to do anything sensible on the tax front.”
He could be right about the former, definitely right about the latter
Ctar
You got that wrong. I said I am not a Green. I said I swing between Labor and the Greens.
Thus that means I am a Green voter sometimes. Sometimes I am a Labor voter.
Lizzie
Hope you’re goon OK.
[Wishing the ABC a happy demise because it employs characters like Uhlmann is so Bludgerific.
There is a lot more to the ABC than one particular tosser.]
Ha! If only Toolman was the problem.
He is merely one symptom of the cancer that has infested their ABC for some years now.
[but you’re in trouble if you’re relying on the Greens to do anything sensible on the tax front.”]
LOL
Mr Pascoe got that one right.
DL
I am for fixing the ABC not giving Murdoch his wish of no ABC.
zoom
[Everything everyone says here is basically their opinion]
Sometimes it’s someone else’s opinion!
[You got that wrong. I said I am not a Green. I said I swing between Labor and the Greens.
Thus that means I am a Green voter sometimes. Sometimes I am a Labor voter.]
Join a swingers party then!
Astro
[Will you withdraw your comment about Greens not being ‘realists’?]
No. In fact, your inability to follow an argument, to read a post in context, to grasp repeated statements, and to confuse what you want to be true with what is, has actually confirmed my view rather than undermined it.
(And given that it was obviously a throwaway, tongue in cheek line to begin with, this has been most entertaining!)
DL
Nah can’t do that. I don’t vote Liberal
[ something is Joe Hockey’s opinion, or fran’s, or BB’s, or Gough Whitlam’s, I’ll say so. If it’s mine, I’ll post it under ‘zoomster’ and you can work it out from there]
Too funny zoomster!
One often has to be quite parent-child like with guytaur.
I see Uhlmann in the gym all the time… so hard to not give him grief. Perhaps his wife does the job for me.
The ABC like any organization rots from the head, it’s head is News & Current affairs , it’s best protagonists died or retired years ago
[DL
Nah can’t do that. I don’t vote Liberal]
True! Much more popular with them.
In fact the UK Tories take swingers parties to a whole new level — the walls of Westminster have stories in that regard.
[I see Uhlmann in the gym all the time… so hard to not give him grief. Perhaps his wife does the job for me.]
Just tell him to learn how to be a journalist rather than a “right wing political commentator”.
DL
Oh yeah child like hey. You show your denigration for someone you perceive not to be in your tribe of spin doctors
fran
[They don’t believe that.]
Firstly, that’s an assumption.
[If they believed that they’d process them expeditiously in places like Indonesia and Malaysia where they aggregate. They’d make those camps liveable and fly in successful applicants]
Right, so Australia would basically interfere in the way another country manages its affairs. I think there’s another principle at play here.
If Indonesia or Malaysia invited us in, that might be a solution.
[They’d have led an effort to secure a comprehensive global agreement on humanitarian resettlement and have proposed a system which would have settled the burdens fairly]
Why would that be Australia’s responsibility? Our refugee numbers are relatively few. Surely countries which have far greater refugee burdens should be leading the process.
[They’d not have arbitrarily stopped processing Tamils and Afghans and have repudiated mandatory detention. They’d not be scuttling boats or arresting crew. ]
Well, they would if they were applying a greater principle – deterrence.
[It is very clear that their principal performance outcome was to stop IMAs regardless of the misery it inflicted by kettling them at the aggregation points or perhaps in their home countries.]
And we get back to one principle trumping another. If doing this prevents people dying, then perhaps its a lesser price to pay.
[Really, the policy was FOAD someplace else — just not on our doorstep.]
Or maybe the principle is that the asylum seekers who are being gazumped by those on our doorstep are in more need than those who aren’t.
Fran, you do seem to be doing the fallacious “these people are not acting according to MY principles, therefore they don’t have principles’ thing.
Zoomster
[No. In fact, your inability to follow an argument, to read a post in context, to grasp repeated statements, and to confuse what you want to be true with what is, has actually confirmed my view rather than undermined it.]
It’s incredible watching you weave and twist…
And sad too.
[Oh yeah child like hey. You show your denigration for someone you perceive not to be in your tribe of spin doctors]
Sorry, just an observation.
Not all posters who disagree with me are child-like. Very few are.
But as I say, instead of trying to win points of argument against zoomster, focus on the Greens policy failures, and work to build a better, stronger Greens party ready for the battles of tomorrow not 2010.
Astro @709- read what I actually said, react to what I actually said, and I might engage again.
Zoomster
[(And given that it was obviously a throwaway, tongue in cheek line to begin with, this has been most entertaining!)]
So why on Earth did you not say this when I first brought it up? This was just for your entertainment?
You are a very distasteful person.
There are two policies the Govt could negotiate with the Greens and implement.
Abbott’s PPL has been scaled back to Green size, all it needs is to remove the company tax cut and its the Greens policy, so should pass.
The petrol excise has a small sticking point, the Govt just has to say all the revenue raised will be spent on Public Transport and it has to pass the Greens can ignore the elephant. (hint the constitution says all excise has to go into consolidated revenue).
DL
I have nothing to do with writing Green policy Labor Policy or any other party.
Like a lot of others here.
My post originally was just a fact that you agreed with.
Couldn’t believe it when a red wattle bird sat on my arm and started pecking at the bread in my hand. 🙂
Astro
don’t blame me if you’re thick as a brick and have no sense of humour.
Dee
how magical!
My grandmother trained king parrots to eat from her hand, so I grew up knowing all the tricks.
There’s one little reserve (Badger’s Creek) just outside of Healesville. You’re guaranteed to see lyre birds there, and there’s always (despite the ‘don’t feed the birds’ signs) a few king parrots around.
We took the boys up there a few years ago. They’d just got some king parrots tastefully arrayed on their heads and arms when a busload of tourists (German?) pulled up.
Within about ten minutes, we had twenty or so non-English speakers armed with seed and learning how to pretend to be trees…
We once has this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjmORc9Q9fc
Now we have Sloppy Joe. 🙁
No matter how they try the fact the budget is unfair is killing the government in the polls.
Unfair Budget is fact and thus Labor’s line resonating with voters.
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guytaur
I am for fixing the ABC not giving Murdoch his wish of no ABC.]
I suspect Murdoch’s wish is to get the ABC killed, and as a bonus pick up a swag of cheap ABC property, and some compliant mortgage-encumbered ABC journos to gain some superficial short-term credibility.
EFA @efa_oz 4m
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