UPDATE 2 (Essential Research poll): The latest Essential Research fortnightly rolling average is unchanged on last week with the Coalition on 44%, Labor on 35% and the Greens on 9%, with the Coalition leading 53-47 on two-party preferred. The poll finds only 28% rating the new government’s handling of asylum seekers as good versus 40% for poor; 65% considering a budget surplus important for the country versus 27% for not important, which becomes 52% and 38% when framed as important to the respondent personally; 12% thinking the government will probably deliver a surplus in its first year versus 68% who think it probably won’t; and 37% thinking it will do so within three years, in line with its promise, against 40% who think it won’t. Also featured are questions on issues of concern and the best party to handle them, which show across-the-board improvement for the Coalition since immediately before the election, reduced concern about the budget surplus (presumably because Coalition supporters have become less inclined to nominate it as a problem) and increased concern about interest rates.
UPDATE (Morgan poll): The fortnightly Morgan multi-mode poll has the Coalition up a point to 42.5%, Labor down 2.5% to 32.5%, the Greens up half a point to 11% and the Palmer United Party down half a point to 5%. The respondent-allocated two-party preferred moves from 50-50 to 51-49 in favour of the Coalition.
The Courier-Mail has today reported findings on federal voting intention from the Queensland poll for which state voting intention results appeared yesterday. The Coalition holds a two-party preferred lead of 56-44, which compares with what will probably be about 57-43 once two-party figures from Kennedy and Fairfax are finally included in the Australian Electoral Commission’s statewide election result. Primary votes from the poll are 46% for the Liberal National Party (45.7% at the election), 30% for Labor (29.8%), 8% for the Palmer United Party (11.0%), 7% for the Greens (6.2%), 3% for Katter’s Australian Party (3.7%) and 6% for others (3.6%). Dennis Atkins of the Courier-Mail wisely notes that the missing Palmer United Party support “might not have disappeared altogether, as it appears to have gone to the ‘others’”, which is up from 3.6% to 6%. The poll was conducted last Tuesday and Wednesday from a sample of 800. Also featured:
• Sixty-three per cent of respondents, including 32% of Labor and 89% of LNP supporters, oppose Labor holding up the carbon tax abolition bills in the Senate. Twenty-nine per cent are in favour, including 59% of Labor and 6% of LNP supporters.
• Fifty-nine per cent think the government “too secretive” on boat arrivals, compared with 36% who disagree. The splits are 86-10 among Labor and 31-63 among LNP supporters.
• Forty-two per cent still feel the government has not done enough to stop asylum seekers, compared with 43% who say it has done enough. The high “not enough” rating seems in large part down to reflexively negative responses from Labor supporters, who split 55% to 28%, while LNP supporters split 33% to 58%.
• Fifty-two per cent say the new government has met expectations, 6% say it has been better, and 36% say it hasn’t been as good (74-9-14 among LNP supporters, 34-3-56 for Labor supporters).
Evening all. Today is the 150th anniversary of Lincoln’s immortal Gettysburg address, an eloquent testimony to the struggle for freedom. Four score and seven years ago in Australia there was another event that marked success in the struggle for justice – the Clyde Engineering case, that established the denial of rights test in Australian law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Engineering_Co_Ltd_v_Cowburn
How appropriate that Xanthippe resigned from her academic position in Adelaide today, free at last from the control-freak run asylum that a once good university has become. Perhaps now that Labor is in opposition and can sidestep blame, it might start asking questions about the archetypal example of bad management that Australian universitite have become.
Nemspy’@ 3049
That’s a poor comeback.
Your lowering standard to just above Tisme!
Perhaps one of the Liberals who frequent PB’s can clear this up for me. If, as Hockey argues, we need to raise our debt limit, why on earth would you want to ax the Mining Tax ?
[zoidlord
Posted Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink
@nemspy/3044
Then why are you defending Abbott? You say one thing, but your attitude says different.]
Because I think he’s done the right thing in this regard.
Just like I supported the ALP in their stance in favor of gay marriage.
Just like I strongly oppose Abbott’s paid parental leave scheme.
Similarly, I attended union demonstrations against Colin Barnett’s cuts to education here in WA and sent him a letter voicing my displeasure.
It’s actually possible to agree and disagree with a mixture of LIB and ALP policies.
CTar1@2986
Despite your earlier effort to re-start them.
3051
The administration of universities is a state power, only the funding is Commonwealth. The ALP is still in government in SA.
[zoidlord
Posted Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink
@Nemspy/3046
Spur of the moment? Quiet frankly it was Liberal Supporters that were saying that Labor were using Pacific Solution.
Rudd said he was drifting to the right on the issue.
And right now, we know that that policy is a failure as time goes on, as I mentioned earlier, that policy costs money and heaps of it.
http://www.islandsbusiness.com/news/australia/3697/offshore-detention-costs-in-nauru-and-manus-rising/%5D
Frankly, I’m not sure what to do about the boats. I don’t entirely support or oppose either major party platform. I think it’s a bit too early to say that this one “isn’t working”; however, I concede that may be a possibility.
[you can’t afford to apologise for things that you know very well will continue to happen]
Silly attitude and more silly speculation.
[The whole thing is nothing more than SBY playing politics]
Beautiful – keep it up!
BK
Now that you are here. Well done Adelaide. Quite a coup.
You will be able to say “My dad and the Rolling Stones played at the Adelaide oval ” 🙂
[The Stones have been confirmed for a huge gig at the revamped Adelaide Oval on March 22,]
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/the-rolling-stones-tour-confirmed-for-australia-20131120-2xunp.html
[Centre
Posted Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
Nemspy’@ 3049
That’s a poor comeback.
Your lowering standard to just above Tisme!]
So you really think that SBY – the experienced leader of a nation of quite a few million people – is sitting at home feeling all hurt and shocked at these revelations?
It’s politics, pure and simple.
bemused – No effort at all.
Done and dusted.
[It’s politics, pure and simple.]
It is. And Abbott and the coalition have been comprehensively out-played.
[Centre
Posted Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink
you can’t afford to apologise for things that you know very well will continue to happen
Silly attitude and more silly speculation.
The whole thing is nothing more than SBY playing politics
Beautiful – keep it up!]
Speaking of poor comebacks. At least mine add something to the discussion. Should I just create myself a bank of stock “that’s silly and wrong” type replies to improve the standard of my comebacks to your lofty heights?
Hi poroti
My brother, who is quite conservative, went to the Oval last week to see some of the Shild game. He was genuinely excited by the oval development.
@Nemspy/3060
I don’t see you complaining about that to Tony Abbott.
Your playing against one side here.
Here is a hint: “All governments do it”.
Tom
Having experienced at first hand the incompetence of the SA Education Dept, that explains a lot. If they were meant as an elaborate work for the dole scheme, they have been a great success. That being said, the Federal funding formulas certainly drive some very bad behaviour by campus administrators. Where else can you award multi million dollar contracts using public money without a public tender?
[confessions
Posted Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink
It’s politics, pure and simple.
It is. And Abbott and the coalition have been comprehensively out-played.]
So exactly how do you propose Abbott would have “outplayed” SBY? By kowtowing to his political maneuver? Seems like an odd way to win.
Nemspy
Well get Abbott to ask him (SBY) whether he’s hurt or playing politics?
You wouldn’t like it and nor does he – get real!
[zoidlord
Posted Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
@Nemspy/3060
I don’t see you complaining about that to Tony Abbott.
Your playing against one side here.
Here is a hint: “All governments do it”.]
There’s nothing to complain about – I think the whole issue is a massive storm in a teacup. I’ll complain to/about Tony Abbott when he does something that bothers me.
Nemspy
Both sides are playing politics. They are politicians.
But there will be some real world consequences like reduced cooperation with asylum seekers.
@nemspy/3069
lol.
All about you eh? ” I’ll complain”.
BK
I have not seen anything of the oval development and have in my mind’s eye the old oval. So my eyes popped when I read the bit about….
[Adelaide Oval on March 22, 2014, in front of a potential 70,000 crowd]
Nemspy
Your comebacks consist largely of stupidity.
I rate you below Crank and above Tisme. If you fall below Tisme you have got real problems 😆
@Dio/3070
He doesn’t understand that it’s not about him.
BTW the Advertiser story about the stadium being behind schedule a week ago was a complete lie. The bridge is a little behind schedule but the stadium is fine. All the major structural work is finished and they are just doing finishing touches. It will be ready for the test, and full capacity will be open for the concert.
[So exactly how do you propose Abbott would have “outplayed” SBY?]
Abbott would never have “outplayed” SBY.
Remember when SBY address Australia’s Parliament and copped a lecture from Abbott on boats for his efforts? Maybe SBY remembers it as well.
confessions@3037
Still the same confessions with comprehension difficulties.
If Abbott manages to get himself offside with other Asian nations, many who are already offended by him – the Monkey is finished!
[Abbott would never have “outplayed” SBY.]
And to assist his FM is very smart.
TA has neither the perception or the subtlety to even know what is going on, much less do something about it.
No finesse at all.
[If Abbott manages to get himself offside with other Asian nations,]
Hopefully for Australia it won’t come to that.
When will numbnuts like nemspy realise that the spying is not the issue. It is the catalyst.
If Abbott had any common decency he would have got his Foreign Affairs Minister on a plane to Jakarta the day the spying story broke.
But of course, she had been wiped off the diplomatic map by saying Australia does not seek permission, just understanding.
This mess is 100% Abbott’s creation. Unfortunately it will cost innocent people money to salve his ego.
“Still the same confessions with comprehension difficulties.”
Two posts, two snarky, ad hominem comments.
Same old, same old.
Socrates
[
BTW the Advertiser story about the stadium being behind schedule a week ago was a complete lie.]
OMG !! Sacre Bleu !! A Murdoch paper publishes bullshit. I’m shocked ,shocked I tells ya 🙂
CTar:
Poss says it best:
[Possum Comitatus @Pollytics 2h
It shouldn’t have gotten to this point to begin with- you can’t have your domestic Indo plaything and eat at the international table too]
CTar1@3079
That would be Marty and not Julie?
[3067
Nemspy
confessions
It’s politics, pure and simple.
It is. And Abbott and the coalition have been comprehensively out-played.
So exactly how do you propose Abbott would have “outplayed” SBY? By kowtowing to his political maneuver? Seems like an odd way to win.]
Abbott has tried high-handed lectures and empty flattery; he has ignored and then insulted Indonesia; he has been both obsequious and defiant. What he has not been is adroit. He has practically invited his rejection. What more can he do to prove his incapacity? He should quit before he does any more damage to Australia’s interests.
I hope all the Asian nations get together and tell Abbott to go stick it;
– the local stock market will fall 10%,
– Abbott will get the tap,
– Turnbull sworn in as PM,
– stock market back up 12%.
😈
[But of course, she had been wiped off the diplomatic map by saying Australia does not seek permission, just understanding.]
I would have thought in this line of work, especially a noob, that you would game play it with your dept specialists and get advice.
JB saying .. we don’t need permission to tap your phone…but if your people got caught doing it in Indonesia they would be in jail. Wonder if Abbott thinks the same thing about Australians??
muttleymcgee@3083
Yep, returning fire.
@Confessions/3085
Old saying that Tone should be well aware of ‘You can’t have your cake and eat it too’.
@Centre/3088
Noooo then we have the minister for copper network as PM.
3091
Abbott is definitely more of a “let them eat cake” person.
dwh
[Actually the official ABC report said the spying occurred during 15 days in 2009. The 2007-2009 came from an Indonesian report.]
There are around 1.99 million Snowden documents to come. I would have thought that the only ‘event’ of Australia spying on Indonesia was that of 2007-2009 is vanishingly small.
As is the chance that the DSD/ASD ONLY spies during Labor governments.
There is, in fact, a near certainty that Abbott has either been a minister in a Government that spied a lot on Indonesia and/or has been Prime Minister of a government that spied on Indonesia. After all, in Abbott’s eyes, Operation Sovereign Borders just has to be a good enough excuse to spy on anybody and everybody.
As noted elsewhere and earlier, the excruciating problem is that just when Abbott thinks the fix is in, a new batch of spying may well be confirmed.
[“Still the same confessions with comprehension difficulties.”
Two posts, two snarky, ad hominem comments.
Same old, same old.
Yep, returning fire.]
Says it all, really.
apologies for my post earlier in the day suggesting that Liberal strategist Mark Textor had called SBY a “Pilipino porn star”.
He has now clarified his comment as relating to the Indonesian Foreign Minister.
[As the government sought to limit damage from the phone-tapping affair, a Liberal Party senior adviser issued a series of racially-loaded remarks about top Indonesian government figures.
The comments threatened to inflame sensitive relations between Canberra and Jakarta at time when Prime Minister Tony Abbott was moving to reassure President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono that Australia regrets any offence caused by the reports of unauthorised phone tapping.
Liberal Party pollster Mark Textor published a succession of abusive comments, with one likening Indonesian Foreign Affairs Minister Marty Natalegawa to a ”1970s Pilipino [sic] porn star”.]
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/abusive-tweets-from-top-liberal-party-pollster-20131120-2xvwb.html#ixzz2lBFAK6uM
I have checked and there is no UN Convention that specifically deals with tearing the bows off an asylum seeker boat.
So it was all legal.
Tisme and his mates seem to have been busy in the comments section of the Jakarta Post.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/11/20/battle-lines-drawn-against-oz.html
That ugly racist stuff must play out real big In Indonesia.
Abbott should have gone ..shock horror, this isn’t right, I guarantee it isn’t happening now or will in the future…and that I offer my personal apology to SBY. There must be a foundation of trust and cooperation in our relationship with Indonesia and we sincerely regret these events have come to light. We will work even harder to ensure a transparent and open relationship with Indonesia.
Then fly there to meet him…organise some pay off for the face you just gave him and etc etc..
But Abbott has gone… ‘your not the boss of me’
I see that Fairfax is now running a story about Mr Textor and his charming tweets. Hopefully Mr Shorten will raise this at question time tomorrow.