GhostWhoVotes reports (though James J in comments had the numbers 45 minutes earlier) that Newspoll has the two-party preferred vote at 54-46, compared with 55-45 a fortnight ago and 59-41 the fortnight before. The primary votes are 32% for Labor (up two on last time), 46% for the Coalition (up one) and 12% for the Greens (steady). Julia Gillard’s approval rating is up three to 30% and her disapproval down three to 60%, while Tony Abbott is respectively down three and up four to 31% and 60%. Julia Gillard leads as preferred prime minister 40-37, reversing Abbott’s 40-36 lead last time.
Today’s Essential Research was less encouraging for Labor: it had them losing one of the points on two-party preferred which were clawed back over previous weeks, the result now at 57-43. Primary votes were 50% for the Coalition (up one), 33% for Labor (steady) and 10% for the Greens (steady). Other questions gauged views on the parties’ respective “attributes”, with all negative responses for Labor (chiefly “divided” and “will promise anything to win votes”) rating higher than all positives. The Liberal Party did rather better, rating well for “moderate” and “understands the problems facing Australia”. Bewilderingly, only slightly more respondents (35%) were willing to rate the state of the economy as “good” than “bad” (29%), with 33% opting for neither, although 43% rated the position of their household satisfactory against 28% unsatisfactory.
UPDATE (29/5/12): Morgan have broken the habit of a lifetime by publishing their weekend face-to-face poll results on a Tuesday, never having been known in the past to do it earlier than Thursday. My best guess is that they wished to offer a riposte to Newspoll’s relatively encouraging figures for Labor – “today’s Newspoll showing a swing to the ALP is simply unbelievable”, says Gary Morgan in the accompanying release – with their own results, which show Labor support at an all time low on every measure. The poll has Labor’s primary vote down 4.5% on the previous week to 27.5%, the Coalition up 3.5% to 49% and the Greens up 2.5% to 13%. This translates into 61.5-38.5 on respondent-allocated preferences and 58-42 on preferences as they flowed at the previous election.
Puffy @ 5594
I noticed on the mothertruckers site. My admiration for you grew in leaps and bounds 😉
Humour does seem a little alien to this site at times.
MM
On what basis?
Guytaur:
A red doesn’t count – what I’m looking for is a self-determined exit
👿
Could we have a little less introspection please.
[People like bemused do this board not favour at all, and before him people like frank. ]
ha now thats funny, you cant compare anyone on PB to Frank.
Exercising my right to politely dispute that. Compared to some of the cesspits of the net which i occasionally go trolling upon its mostly pretty mild, if sometime snarky, apart from the odd comment worth a dishonorable mention which gets jumped on by the host.
Thank-you so much for that. 🙂 Truly classic.
bluegreen:
YOu can swear to your heart’s content as far as I’m concerned. I’m not the one whingeing that (and I quote) “I don’t come here to read such language”.
bemused OTOH shit-canned a woman PBer for swearing, while having nothing to say about men here who use worse language.
Rossmore @ 5600
It is not in my hands or yours. It may or may not happen. Whether it does or not, I go on supporting the ALP Govt and their excellent policies.
That makes me more of a true believer than someone whose support is dependent on one particular person being leader.
William,
But but but – comparing navel fluff is such fun.
Having said that, I think that I should run away and hide.
Night, all.
(until I change my mind as usual)
First there was me
Then confessions
Guss
Then victoria
Who are always wrong,
Have any if u noticed a lot of people have left, …..
fiona
truthie is not here. So I do not think anyone qualifies as stupid enough to emulate Run Rabbott Run tactics.
You Labor folk really have to stop this infighting if you want to slay the Abbott Dragon.
[5603
William Bowe
Could we have a little less introspection please.]
Do you prefer extroversion, WB? Less light but more heat?
My say, Confessions, Victoria
[Who are always wrong]
We are never wrong. Sometimes, just sometimes, slightly mistaken, but never wrong.
My dear sisters, don’t desert the field now. This is not the end of the beginning: it’s the beginning of the end.
confessions @ 5606
There is a vast difference between dropping an occasional profanity for effect and being continually potty mouth in posts. No other poster comes close to kezza2 on that.
[deflationite @ 5580
People like bemused do this board not favour at all, and before him people like frank. They seem to have no concept of civil discourse.
Hey, lumping me in with Frank is really going too far.
Ever wondered why we have never exchanged cross words? Simple really, you have never abused me so I have never abused you. Can’t say that about some others here. I suggest you have a look at the history and put things in context.
]
I ask for one simple thing on these sorts of messageboards.
If someone says A
you say ‘well I argue B’.
Instead of
If someone says A
you say ‘well you are a dickhead’.
Does not have to happen all the time, everyone is allowed a few indescretions. I have made more than my fair share over the years.
But there is a tipping point and in my personal opinion you and people like you go the person rather than the argument too often.
… and by too often it means that it clogs up the board with crap, because you or someone like you goes the personal route and then it causes ten other discussions that only have something to do with the personal stuff and not the argument.
It is like an accident on the west gate at 8am it just clogs everything up.
I’m not trying to be an arsehole or a smartarse, just trying to ask you and others like you to shove the ego to one side and let what is usually a good place for discussion remane that way. 🙂
Global Day of Action – 2 June 2012 – Nuclear Abolition Day.
http://www.nuclearabolition.org/
[On Australia Day over 700 Order of Australia recipients signed a petition to urge the government to adopt a nuclear-free defence policy. Tomorrow is Nuclear Abolition Day, a good time to examine our reliance on US nuclear weapons, writes Dr Sue Wareham OAM]
http://newmatilda.com/2012/06/01/world-without-bomb
[Exercising my right to politely dispute that. Compared to some of the cesspits of the net which i occasionally go trolling upon its mostly pretty mild, if sometime snarky, apart from the odd comment worth a dishonorable mention which gets jumped on by the host.]
lol agree.
I picture PB arguments like two tweed jacketed gents having a terse dispute over who has first beat on the river in the morning.
*blushes* after all that I mispell remain
*blushes again* 🙂
guytaur,
[truthie is not here. So I do not think anyone qualifies as stupid enough to emulate Run Rabbott Run tactics.]
I live in hope, but to be honest I hope that you are correct.
davidwh @ 5611
I am going to recruit you comrade, then he won’t have a chance. 😉
I have scanned back over a few pages here tonight. I can’t work our what incited the acrimony. Perhaps there is a real doctrinal difference….perhaps. But it doesn’t look that way. It really seems like dispute has become a matter of reflex.
well said davidwh.
i never want to wake up with another ‘worse hangover of my life’ and Abbott as PM!
[imacca
Posted Friday, June 1, 2012 at 11:18 pm | Permalink
Getting distracted but basically the level of abuse on this board is pretty bad.
Exercising my right to politely dispute that. Compared to some of the cesspits of the net which i occasionally go trolling upon its mostly pretty mild, if sometime snarky, apart from the odd comment worth a dishonorable mention which gets jumped on by the host.
]
Let me rephrase.
It is pretty bad for what it is pretending to be. It is all relative.
Of course it is mild compared to complete crap but we are dealing in relativity here.
briefly!
Very pleased to see you again, and hope you are well.
so what happened with the Lizard People tonight?
I think we can blame Tony Abbott for a lot of the rancour that has infected the currents of thought and exchange about politics. He has lowered the common denominator or something like that…… 🙂
ML:
Don’t you know your Shakespeare? Now is the winter of our discontent.
confessions..so good to see you too!
I am passing well, thanks. And you?
40 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153091/Napalm-girl-photo-Vietnam-War-turns-40.html
deflationite @ 5615
That is my usual and preferred approach.
I may respond in such a way on occasions if provoked.
So I am pretty much in agreement with you.
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Tony Abbott is the high priest of pessimism
by: Laurie Oakes From: The Daily Telegraph June 02, 2012 12:00AM
Increase Text Size Decrease Text Size Print Email Share Add to Digg Add to del.icio.us Add to Facebook Add to Kwoff Add to Myspace Add to Newsvine What are these? 0BACK in 2001, on the Nine Network’s now defunct Sunday program, Tony Abbott invented a new word: roonism.
The then industrial relations minister was complaining about the relentless negativity of the Labor opposition under Kim Beazley.
“One of the real problems we have at the moment is roonism,” Abbott said.
“As in ‘We’ll all be rooned, said Hanrahan’.”]
i fucking did it. Go Oakesy
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbott-is-the-high-priest-of-pessimism/story-e6frezz0-1226380758064
[It really seems like dispute has become a matter of reflex.]
This is as it has always been for years on PB.
The only thing that changes is who is the object of the pack attack.
The scapegoat who is attacked is invariably someone who is persistent in posting views, opinions and information that challenges the prevailing Laborite groupthink.
more from oakes
[Roonism, Abbott explained, “is a kind of a mutant sibling of the tall poppy syndrome, and it is poisoning our public life at the moment and it risks doing damage to the economy.
“The chief economic ghoul literally praying for bad news is Kim Beazley. The champagne corks pop in Kim Beazley’s office every time someone gets into trouble.”
Eleven years on and it’s Abbott engaging in roonism. Proving, in fact, to be a champion roonist.
It’s Abbott constantly predicting, like Hanrahan, that “We’ll all be rooned before the year is out”.
Abbott as economic ghoul, dismissing any good news while cynically exploiting every price rise, every job loss, every company that gets into trouble.
Abbott accused of poisoning our public life and damaging the economy.]
briefly
[I think we can blame Tony Abbott for a lot of the rancour that has infected the currents of thought and exchange about politics. He has lowered the common denominator or something like that]
Nah abbott has bought all liberals down to his low level,nats do not count,except to restrict abbotts run to a door.
guytaur.
and we continue to make and research new chemical weapons. we is morons.
[There is a vast difference between dropping an occasional profanity for effect and being continually potty mouth in posts. No other poster comes close to kezza2 on that.]
And yet I’ve never seen kezza post the f-word, only acronymise it. But bluegreen openly admits to using it.
Why not tell him to wash his mouth out?
I don’t care who swears and who doesn’t. But it bothers me that you appear to have a fundamental problem with women swearing while being tolerant of the same trait among male commenters here. And I reference your apparent hatred of the PM amongst all this as well.
briefly @ 5621
muttleymcgee springs to mind.
How is that folks for shaping the national debate?
Bemused, Machiavelli would say that from a position of relative weakness it’s generally safer to keep your head down and quietly build strength. You seem to positively relish the diametrically opposite approach. Kind of admirable in a kind of way I suppose, hell at times I enjoy your sardonic wit and defense of free speech, and quite often agree with you, but in this case think you’ve backed the wrong horse. Perhaps I’ll be proved wrong, in which case kudos to you. But if you’re wrong, I trust you will be generous enough to admit it. Time will tell no doubt.
Bemused, Machiavelli would say that from a position of relative weakness it’s generally safer to keep your head down and quietly build strength. You seem to positively relish the diametrically opposite approach. Kind of admirable in a kind of way I suppose, hell at times I enjoy your sardonic wit and defense of free speech, and quite often agree with you, but in this case think you’ve backed the wrong horse. Perhaps I’ll be proved wrong, in which case kudos to you. But if you’re wrong, I trust you will be generous enough to admit it. Time will tell no doubt.
briefly:
I’m very well.
Who do you think Labor will preselect to run against that do-nothing nobody Don Randall? Allannah’s gains need to be built on.
one message to Oakes and he writes a bloody article. you ripper.
mm
Indeed. If we learnt I think there would be peace in the Middle East
guytaur @ 5629
Thanks for posting that. It is good to see what has become of that girl and that she has had a good life.
I have never forgotten that photo and a couple of others from that era.
Schnappi, I think Abbott has turned politics into a contest in which the score is kept in malice, spite, contempt and disgust. It shows up in lots of ways – but especially in the way people think, feel and express themselves about politics.
bg. that’s quite the column from the big guy. whats your part in it?
[You Labor folk really have to stop this infighting if you want to slay the Abbott Dragon.]
After this week I think we can rest easy about TAD setting fire to himself.
The key bit from Oakes article. I cant see it not being used in Question Time
[Roonism, Abbott explained, “is a kind of a mutant sibling of the tall poppy syndrome, and it is poisoning our public life at the moment and it risks doing damage to the economy.
“The chief economic ghoul literally praying for bad news is Kim Beazley. The champagne corks pop in Kim Beazley’s office every time someone gets into trouble.”
Eleven years on and it’s Abbott engaging in roonism. Proving, in fact, to be a champion roonist.
It’s Abbott constantly predicting, like Hanrahan, that “We’ll all be rooned before the year is out”.
Abbott as economic ghoul, dismissing any good news while cynically exploiting every price rise, every job loss, every company that gets into trouble.]
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbott-is-the-high-priest-of-pessimism/story-e6frezz0-1226380758064
bluegreen @ 5631
I don’t know who I will offend most by saying this, but I think your posts show more insight and contribute more to the Labor cause than those of some of the most self proclaimed fervent ALP supporters here. 😛
Great work!
[middle man
Posted Friday, June 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm | Permalink
bg. that’s quite the column from the big guy. whats your part in it?]
I found an old interview with oakes when Abbott had just been made employment minister. It was when Howard was in the early 2001 dumps. Abbott got on the front foot and said that beazley was tapping into the whingeing nature of australians. He called it roonism or ruinism.
I flicked Oakes the article and he thanked me.