Very much obviously remains to be said about the Queensland state election result, and rest assured that it soon will be. In the meantime, here’s a table which breaks down the damage region by region.
| VOTES | SEATS | |||||||
| ALP | LNP | GRN | KAP | ALP | LNP | IND | KAP | |
| Northern Brisbane | 31.7% | 51.9% | 7.5% | 6.9% | 0 | 11 | 0 | 0 |
| -16.1% | 13.8% | -1.0% | -10 | +10 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Southern Brisbane | 33.8% | 49.4% | 7.7% | 5.0% | 2 | 14 | 0 | 0 |
| -18.5% | 13.7% | -0.6% | -12 | +12 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Inner Brisbane | 30.7% | 52.5% | 13.6% | 2.6% | 2 | 8 | 0 | 0 |
| -9.5% | 12.8% | -1.7% | -5 | +5 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Ipswich | 33.6% | 38.5% | 5.4% | 14.1% | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| -24.8% | 8.2% | -1.9% | -2 | +2 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Gold Coast | 23.4% | 58.3% | 6.6% | 7.3% | 0 | 10 | 0 | 0 |
| -17.8% | 12.7% | -0.2% | -4 | +4 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Sunshine Coast | 16.1% | 57.9% | 11.3% | 6.6% | 0 | 5 | 1 | 0 |
| -12.8% | 8.6% | 1.2% | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Urban Hinterland | 19.1% | 51.0% | 7.4% | 18.7% | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 |
| -14.0% | 5.6% | -0.4% | -1 | +2 | -1 | 0 | ||
| Central Coastal | 25.3% | 41.3% | 4.2% | 16.9% | 2 | 8 | 1 | 0 |
| -17.4% | 2.4% | -1.4% | -2 | +3 | -1 | 0 | ||
| Northern Coastal | 26.4% | 40.9% | 5.1% | 25.4% | 1 | 7 | 0 | 0 |
| -17.8% | -1.1% | -2.7% | -5 | +5 | 0 | 0 | ||
| Interior | 15.7% | 50.7% | 3.3% | 26.9% | 0 | 5 | 0 | 2 |
| -10.8% | -1.2% | -0.2% | -1 | -1 | 0 | +2 | ||
| Top End | 33.3% | 37.7% | 5.1% | 21.8% | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| -13.5% | -4.3% | -1.2% | -1 | +1 | 0 | 0 | ||
| TOTAL | 26.8% | 49.5% | 7.4% | 11.6% | 8 | 77 | 2 | 2 |
| -15.9% | 8.4% | -0.6% | -43 | +43 | -2 | +2 | ||
I think the cash for clunkers was about ten years past its use by date. had it been around in the 1990s it may have had a greater benefit.
The EPA have done a great job of getting old cars off the road.
I wasn’t aware that the Europeans had used such a scheme, I knew that the Americans had
May I suggest to those who criticise Labor policy, joint the party and do something about it?
The title of this thread does not seem to appertain to general discussion. Next poll will get us back to the normal MO, I guess.
The assembly idea was silly for the voters felt action was needed and the Government would have been better to argue the case for an ETS which could have been seen as a positive development but the reality is the PM maybe should have put more effort into developing the policy before calling the election.
The ALP may well have though it looks sound on paper but needed to have a deep think, all the science is in and an economic case for an ETS should have been developed.
Regardless, the government needs to focus on how it is moving forward
TLBD the citizens assembly was supposed about community concensus building. I thought it was another thought bubble however the fact it was promised and then ignored explains much of the lack of support the PM enjoys. I believe the carbon pricing policy had a moderate impact on yesterday’s result.
mexicanbeemer,
It wasn’t about short term: it was about “you have been consulted”. Not a bad theme for an election.
Ducky – I understand your point but I as a political animal felt the government needed to be more direct and the response to the policy was mostly dismissive.
TLBD @ 702
Did that about 43 years ago.
The policies I have been critical or sceptical of are generally not policies that have gone through formal processes.
DavidWH,
The feedback from Joe6pack is that Teh Carbon Tax had negligible effect.
Impossible to tell from the results.
I’m looking forward to the polls that ask the Queenslanders: “Did you change your vote from Labor to the LNP and why?”
Nevertheless, congratulations to Mr Newman.
[So when are you expecting electricity infrastructure costs to go down?]
Haven’t you heard of coalition promises to ease the cost of living and limit electricity cost increases? Surely when that is delivered, the next step will be for them to defy history and decrease prices.
My point was that it does matter what the reason is for the price increase.
[And if we do develop clean, cheap energy then problem solved. ]
If it was possible for clean energy to be cheaper than carbon based energy then it would have been done already. The whole point of carbon pricing, alternative energy targets, research funding is because all clean energy alternatives are more expensive and financial tools are needed to level the playing field.
DavidWH @ 704
Comrade, here is the source of the citizens assembly http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/wily-wonk-devised-pms-gabfest-20100727-10uch.html
I once attended a talk by that joker and came out wondering what he had said in his 90 minutes. It was like fairy floss.
mexicanbeemer,
You have empirical evidence for that? The msm is not empirical evidence.
[May I suggest to those who criticise Labor policy, joint the party and do something about it?]
I’m doing exactly that tomorrow.
I’m a QLD’er and this result is hurting. This wasn’t just a loss.. it’s feels more like an outright repudiation of progressive politics by my state peers.
The ALP is on life support and maybe I can play some small role in helping it back on to its feet.
[I believe the carbon pricing policy had a moderate impact on yesterday’s result.]
I would agree with that theory. Obviously it’s the ill-informed who would cast a State vote on a Federal issue. Symptomatic of a larger, more debilitating ignorance, a situation which intrinsically skewed the odds in favour of the conservative party.
It’s Time @ 709
I beg to differ.
If demand has any elasticity at all, it will reduce as price increases regardless of the reason for the increase.
I will also keep an eye out for flying pigs next time I go to Qld or if Abbott becomes PM.
You are overlooking continual technological breakthroughs.
Among other things, pv cells are becoming more efficient and the cost is coming down relentlessly for example.
Once the subsidies (the ignoring of externalities such as pollution) are removed from burning coal, clean energy alternatives will be competitive.
bemused
Michelle Grattan? Seriously.
[”He’s an extremely innovative thinker about government. He’s interested especially in citizen approaches to government policy. That may explain his recommendation on the climate change process.”]
So you don’t think ‘ordinary people’ should be involved in the policy process?
[I believe the carbon pricing policy had a moderate impact on yesterday’s result.]
What it also shows is that the facts around compensation to key groups is just not getting through to the electorate.
The ALP’s approach to restricting government advertising, while admirable, is hurting them a lot. Howard on the other hand used it to great effect.
For QLD’ers – Campbell has promised to force energy retailers to outline the impact of the ‘carbon tax’ on all energy bills in the state. Do PB’s think the retailers will fall in line or contest this? What methodology will they use to calculate?
Sossman,
Onya!
I’m in Fraser and, basically, agree with what the ALP is doing. Andrew Leigh is doing fine work here and I don’t feel I can contribute to run of the mill issues.
Can’t abide meetings and the aggro so I don’t intend to join any political party.
As I did in 2010, I’ll be doing hands-on stuff in 2013.
Sossman @ 712
Fantastic news!
May there be many more like you .
‘Twill be interesting to see how diligently the media, particularly the ‘non-partisan’ ABC, goes about holding the new government to account. Will there be a firestorm of non-stop negativity approaching that which Federal Labor has copped since Day One?
Quite; companies love paperwork.
Second thoughts. The charges will be passed on to the consumers and the in-house costs are tax deductible.
TLBM I am in no doubt state issues were the predominate issues although cost of living issues were critical and the CPS played into this in a moderate way.
Bemused the citizens assembly was always a joke in my opinion. Nevertheless that’s what we were promised but what we got was the CPS forced on us. It’s the PM’s biggest millstone.
zoomster @ 715
So your idea of an ordinary person is someone like this?
That just beggars belief.
Policy should not just be something that pops out of the head of a prime ministerial advisor.
I believe in the party forming policy through its policy committees and caucus committees, with input from ordinary members and ministerial staffers and other interested parties.
Sossman @ 716
That will be an own goal for Newman as it will reveal just how small it is.
Bring it on!
Cuppa,
I’m looking forward to the “challenges”, the “goals”, the “hurdles”, the “targets”.
At least they haven’t invoked the Plimsoll Line, yet.
[The ALP’s approach to restricting government advertising, while admirable, is hurting them a lot. Howard on the other hand used it to great effect. ]
And he didn’t even have to! having the Liberal media right behind him. Liberal media: pardon the tautology.
DavidWH,
“in a moderate way” of a magnitude to swing seats?
TLBD,
I reckon the media Spin will be as thick as … well, as thick as the heads of some of the voters.
DavidWH @ 721
I agree with your first and final sentences comrade and the ALP has been ineffective in combating it. The whole thing has not been well handled at all.
[You are overlooking continual technological breakthroughs.
Among other things, pv cells are becoming more efficient and the cost is coming down relentlessly for example.]
Sorry but these technological breakthroughs and lowering of costs will not make clean energy cost competitive on a level playing field before dangerous temperature rise is inevitable. That’s why governments are funding research and subsidising installations. Getting Australia to reduce its carbon emissions will need much more than a simplistic $23 per tonne carbon charge.
@Cuppa (346, way back on page 7),
This is the sort of article that causes the problem. It clearly gives the impression that all is fine with climate change thanks to the carbon tax.
Yet there is no mention of what other rich countries have already done, how we compare with them in the past, the likelihood of the figures in the report actually being achieved, and most importantly, what would happen with climate change if all other OECD countries did as we did.
The figures are given in non-standard years (base year for international comparisons is 1990) so that it is hard to make comparisons with other countries. And the idea of comparing the future emissions with what it might have been is great for giving the impression of great action in reducing emissions when most of it is not doing gain.
Those reading this report will then be comfortable with their business as usual lives, and supporting a government that will continue with its billions per year in fuel subsidies, keeping out petrol prices low by OECD countries, not investing in public transport, not setting home and car emissions standards which are already done in other countries, etc etc
I just wanna make one single comment about the QLD result: rarely have I seen a greater indictment of our single member district electoral system.
Are you serious? 49.7% of the primary vote ( maybe 56% 2PP) nets you 87% of the seats?
87%????!!!
This shit wouldnt fly in Putin’s Russia. It’d look too obvious. Seriously.
We need multi-member districts, like Tas, all over the country. Or MMP. Come on, here we are – world leaders in electoral administration, with our AEC, of which we are rightly proud, practically an export industry – and we’re lumbered with this byzantine SMD rubbish from 18th century England’s rotten boroughs.
BTW of nothing at all, Australia: The Time Traveller’s Guide first ep on ABC1 was a bottler. Highly recommended for anyone with a scintilla of scientific interest.
It’s Time @ 729
Define level playing field?
To me, it is one where polluting industries bear the full cost of their activities.
It is not what we have had up until now where such costs are ignored and are therefore an implicit subsidy.
lefty e,
Bilbo is about to send you a virtual kiss for that comment.
TLBM its impossible to say what factors contributed with any certainty. I don’t think the CPS was a seat swinger but who knows.
[For QLD’ers – Campbell has promised to force energy retailers to outline the impact of the ‘carbon tax’ on all energy bills in the state. Do PB’s think the retailers will fall in line or contest this? What methodology will they use to calculate?]
Of course he can force them to, they operate under State legislation. But it will be great if federal Labor can get people to realise how much their compensation is and see that it is not costing most of them anything.
Calculation is a piece of piss. Multiply the consumption by the appropriate factor and out comes the cost on the bill. It’s not rocket surgery.
Michael Wilbur-Ham (MWH),
[Those reading this report will then be comfortable with their business as usual lives]
Yep, I’m still here. 😀 …I don’t think the big polluting industries will go about llife as though nothing’s changed. They will be busting their gut to find ways to reduce their emissions, and thus the per-tonne impost. For consumers there are also savings to be made by switching to more efficient power use. In fact, most people will be financially ahead if they do. One of the core aims of carbon pricing is to change behaviour; that’s a fundamental rationale behind it, and why it’s efficient and is likely to bring about significantly lower reductions.
[May I suggest to those who criticise Labor policy, joint the party and do something about it?]
Oh right, you can’t criticise policy and not be a member.
Using that startling logic, I assume you also advocate joining the Liberals if you criticise their policies?
Diogenes @ 738
The tortured logic of that argument is unworthy of you.
And with that I will say goodnight all.
[I just wanna make one single comment about the QLD result: rarely have I seen a greater indictment of our single member district electoral system.]
It’s made worse by only having one house.
@Dio/738,
Isn’t that why they have backbenchers?
zoid
[Isn’t that why they have backbenchers?]
For people who don’t believe in party policy?
Labor suffers the worst electoral defeat in Australian history and yet people on Poll Bludger think it’s no big deal – wishful thinking, maybe?
TLM
No, we are used to you Liberals squirming your way into government on the back of nut-jobs and evil scumbags. Just another day at the office.
Diogenes,
You are being deliberately obtuse. I was talking about the people who have the interests of the Labor party at heart.
Your stuff is a poor attempt at Socratic argument. I don’t think your man of Sinope would have approved.
lefty e
I did not know that. It is decidedly smelly and a pox on all their houses for not making the system more representative.
So how does this multi-member thingy work?
You prefer “hither and yon”?
For the Commonwealth that has overriding power that is / may be appropriate. Two legislatures in the states of territories are an impediment to the legislative process.
Hi Gus,
i missed ya.
ducky
[I was talking about the people who have the interests of the Labor party at heart.]
Well you didn’t say that, did you?
Lots of people who criticise Labor lere are from the ALP.
And lots of ALP-leaning people are much too sensible to waste their precious time joining a party of any persuasion. Their criticism is just as valid.