Morgan has got in a day early with its face-to-face poll, again publishing a result from one weekend of polling rather than combining two for a fortnightly result as it had been doing for the previous four months. The figures show Labor hanging on to about half of the eyebrow-raising improvement they recorded in last week’s poll. On the primary vote Labor is at 36.5 per cent, which is down three points on last week and up one on the result of the previous fortnightly poll. The Coalition is up half a point to 44 per cent, after dropping from 46.5 per cent to 43.5 per cent last time. The Greens have gone from 10 per cent to 11 per cent and back to 10 per cent. On the more reliable two-party preferred measure which distributes minor party and independent preferences according to the result of the previous election, the result has gone from parity to a 51.5-48.5 lead to the Coalition. The measure which allocates preferences according to how respondents say they will vote records the Coalition lead increasing from 52.5-47.5 to 53.5-46.5.
jv
[How soon they forget on the right.]
Touche!
[progressivism = loss of freedom now?]
progressivism = Govt legislation used to impose the values of progressives.
I am correct, No Dams – surely one or two are OK? NOPE NO DAMS.
I can continue if you wish. The Greens policy is societal manipulation via legislation. They don’t deny it.
What did Keating do at the 2007 election? What did he do at the 2010 election?
Compare his zero contribution to Hawke. The defence rests. 😛
There’s some interesting psychology happening amongst the ‘Abbott will find a way to repeal the carbon price” brigade.
Firstly, there’s the whacky idea that ALP backbenchers, fearful of losing their seats in two years’ time, will install Rudd, who will take them to an election so that they lose their seats in a couple of months’ time, instead.
Article after article spells out that scenario, whilst confidently predicting the Rudd revival.
Surely any backbencher reading this ‘highly well written and thought through’ meme, would shrug their shoulders and think to themselves, Well, may as well hang on for a bit.
Secondly, the mental gymnastics they go through to avoid admitting that Tony cannot repeal the carbon price are also fascinating.
Labor, apparently, is going to run the next campaign swearing blind that they’re not going to repeal the package. Having lost to Abbott, they will immediately abandon this pledge (despite the fact that those who voted for them have given them a ‘mandate’ to upkeep it) and vote with Abbott.
If that argument fails to sway the masses, they move to the ‘instant double dissolution, just add water’. Apparently you can get a DD almost instantly.
When someone points out the Constitutional aspects of this (and keeps working through the ‘Bill Shorten’s mother in law’ sneers), the argument gets really whacky.
The last gasp one now is that Tony will go to a referendum. If you point out, politely, that these have never got up without bipartisan support, you’re told we live in a new paradigm. If you ask exactly what amendments to the Constitution could be made to repeal the carbon price, there’s a deathly silence.
What interests me is the level of desperation this shows. Why is a carbon price so scary? Why do people need to feel convinced that it can be repealed?
[http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/global-recession-the-last-nail-in-carbon-tax-coffin/story-e6frgd0x-1226173452717
Pearson should be sodomised with the constitution.]
ROFL
Too good for him; how can someone such drivel get published.
How does one find out the actual division in the Senate on the Banking Amendment (Covered Bonds) Bill 2011 referred to below?
[Late last week, amid the parliamentary din surrounding the carbon tax, a quiet little bill slipped through the Senate with minimal fuss.
This was the ”covered bond” legislation – another friendly leg-up to the banks and one that effectively lumps another $130 billion of risk into the lap of taxpayers.]
http://www.businessday.com.au/business/just-another-legup-for-the-big-money-men-youre-kidding-20111019-1m82q.html
I could only find this about the bill, but it doesn’t say what the actual vote was.
http://www.openaustralia.org/senate/?id=2011-10-13.58.1
[ruawake
Posted Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
What did Keating do at the 2007 election? What did he do at the 2010 election?]
He did the best thing for the ALP: he laid low
[He did the best thing for the ALP: he laid low]
Mod Lib I enjoy your posts. Thy remind me of crooked fences.
Mod Lib
actually, that’s the truth.
I once wanted to have Keating here for a dinner during an election campaign. I was told that his setting foot in an electorate meant an immediate loss of 2% of the vote.
Don’t know if it’s still the belief!
[What interests me is the level of desperation this shows. Why is a carbon price so scary? Why do people need to feel convinced that it can be repealed?
Vested interests?
Zoomster: exactly.
Why would ANY pollie, let alone one they knew would definitely lose their seat, not want to hang on for as long as humanly possible in the hope that the polls turn around.
Why would Rudd, in the event of taking over the Labor leadership, go straight to an election?
Even if Labor had a bounce in the polls, surely the lesson from Gillard is that it won’t last. In order for Labor to win an election – any election – the media has to be at least on the neutral side on hostile.
As it is now, the media are clearly cheerleading for the Libs, as they were before, during and after the 2010 election.
Every time this meme appears, bear in mind for whom this is the ultimate wet dream scenario: Liberals.
Any journo spruiking this seriously either has nailed their colours to the mast or is being taken for a ride by those who have, but is too stupid to realise it.
Kiwi’s 3rd fly half injured….now on to #4
Shit: sorry for the appalling spelling.
I am being side-tracked as I type by children who should be asleep …
George disagrees
Zoomster agrees
I can live with that!
[George disagrees]
I don’t disagree with anything. I was making a comment
ruawake
[The Greens policy is societal manipulation via legislation. They don’t deny it.]
Isn’t that just one definition of legislative change? I don’t think that description is limited to the Greens. What about Conroy’s/Christian Lobby’s mandatory internet filter? You can’t get much more societally manipulative than that, but in a bad way.
Don’t know much about the pros and cons of dams, but I’d be proposing a fair bit of ‘societal manipulation’ myself in, say, education, taxation, and environmental areas for a start.
Well look at this, the Australian pollutes the intertubes for only one more month.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
Well I didn’t click the find out more link, but I can dream can’t I.
Charlton, you aren’t allowed to call another commenter a “wanker” except in circumstances of extraordinary provocation. There is nothing “arbitrary” about it. Now grow up please.
[I don’t disagree with anything. ]
You agree with me then?
OK, now you have me worried 😉
fredn, I like the Australian’s new look website… pity the content is total rubbish
[You agree with me then?]
Is that important to you? I didn’t realise my agreeing with you meant so much, Mod Lib.
[ I was told that his setting foot in an electorate meant an immediate loss of 2% of the vote.]
I wonder if Keating is the only PM who would be a nett negative or would Howard be as well???
Hmm, interesting…
modlib @ 2278:
[I am referring to the piece in todays papers by one PJK of course…]
Keating for many in the Labor fold is a hero, having won the ’93 election, against all odds; but there’s little more sad than an old has-been attempting to be relevant when selling their tome.
I wish Keating well but I’d prefer he’d shut up & spend more time synchronising his French clocks.
[Mod Lib
Posted Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 7:52 pm | Permalink
I was told that his setting foot in an electorate meant an immediate loss of 2% of the vote.
I wonder if Keating is the only PM who would be a nett negative or would Howard be as well???
Hmm, interesting…
]
Howard Campaigned for Ken Wyastt in Hasluck.
He scraped in by a few hundred votes or so.
[Is that important to you? ]
Well, no, not really.
It just amuses me that you avoid it at all costs I guess! 🙂
[That article is written in some realm outside reality. Falsehood built on falsehood.]
I’ve never read an article by Pearson that’s otherwise than unhinged.
Why the OO gives him the column space I don’t know. A half-baked blogger pissed out of his brain on methylated spirits would make more sense (apologies to any one here who… oh, doesn’t matter).
Pearson’s main thrust is to just barge in and repeal the law. No compensation, no consultation with affected companies as to what should be retained (if anything), just go in and punish anyone who gets in their way.
Billions of dollars up in smoke and Pearson doesn’t give a stuff. The companies have been warned… it’s their own stupid fault to go against an Abbott warning. Ergas said it the other day, and now Pearson says it today… don’t worry about the Constitution… “just terms”? What are they? We’re in charge now. The High Court will bow to us. An Abbott warning is worth a thousand s.51(xxxi)s.
Amazing in its arrogance.
(Some of the loonier legal idiots over at Menzies House are talking about a referendum to change the “just terms” provisions of the Constitution to exempt companies that have the temerity to think that Carbon Pricing, being the law of the land and all that, is a worthwhile investment. If the Senate knocks the referendum says no, he or she will be summarily sacked and they’ll run it past the Queen. “Yes, your majesty they do play politics hard over here… now just sign please.” More dissing of the Constitution, but they don’t care if it gets in their way.)
And then there’s the bit about not waiting for Senators to take their places. Antony Green is Australia’s best known expert in this field, and he says the Senators MUST take their places, meaning up to a year’s wait before any double dissolution can even be attempted.
But the Libs have always been ready to trash the constitution and the conventions they claim to cherish, and indeed to be the sole guardians of.
Pearson is a prime example of the Really-Nasty-Mad-As-A-Cut-Snake Liberal. Hate-filled, ready to do anything to show who’s boss, full of crazy ideas… and given a very public platform in the OO.
And the rumour is Abbott want him to Chair the ABC? That leftist-filled snake pit of anti-conservatism… yes, that’s the one. Chris will clean them out quick smart.
Only 4.5 hours to Paywall. Then I think we’ll see just how popular the OO really is. Chris Mitchell’s world is about to come crashing down around him. He and his rag are a LOT more popular in his own fevered brain than they are in the real world.
[I wonder if Keating is the only PM who would be a nett negative or would Howard be as well???]
I reckon most defeated leaders are a negative. That is why Tony’s back to Howard plan is odd. The people voted him out, but Tony wants to go back? Odd.
[Howard Campaigned for Ken Wyastt in Hasluck.
He scraped in by a few hundred votes or so.]
I dont have a feel for the WA seats. Was that a clearly expected win and Howard dampened down his buffer or was it Howard that got him over the line do you think?
BB: for the record, my 11 year-old thinks you are awesome 😀
[It just amuses me that you avoid it at all costs I guess!]
Any time you want some Greek login’ Mod Lib, just say the word.
login=lovin
evening all, half time break, hope everyone is backing the democracy vs the unrepentant terrorists in Auckland tonight, anyone else spot some Rainbows in the hair of a few all black Warriors?
[The last gasp one now is that Tony will go to a referendum. If you point out, politely, that these have never got up without bipartisan support, you’re told we live in a new paradigm. If you ask exactly what amendments to the Constitution could be made to repeal the carbon price, there’s a deathly silence.]
See my post #2326.
[Mod Lib
Posted Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Permalink
Howard Campaigned for Ken Wyastt in Hasluck.
He scraped in by a few hundred votes or so.
I dont have a feel for the WA seats. Was that a clearly expected win and Howard dampened down his buffer or was it Howard that got him over the line do you think?
]
Put it this way – Howard was treated like well loved Grandfather when he did a meet n Greet at Midland Gate Shopping Centre – right in the middle of a safe ALP State Seat, which contains a lot of people on low incomes, including welfare recipients.
[Only 4.5 hours to Paywall. Then I think we’ll see just how popular the OO really is. Chris Mitchell’s world is about to come crashing down around him. He and his rag are a LOT more popular in his own fevered brain than they are in the real world.]
..with crossed toes and fingers BB
[hope everyone is backing the democracy]
most definitely
[anyone else spot some Rainbows in the hair of a few all black Warriors?]
No, but will look ardently now. Thats classic!
[Put it this way – Howard was treated like well loved Grandfather when he did a meet n Greet at Midland Gate Shopping Centre]
I can’t believe you didn’t heckle him Frank! You missed a wonderful opportunity there!
[BB: for the record, my 11 year-old thinks you are awesome :D]
Today’s 11 year old is tomorrow’s 18 year-old Faction Fodder 🙂
Just kidding, of course, but my own grandson (13) told me last school holidays that now he’s in High School they have civics classes where they talk about politics and have to give dissertations.
I asked him (somewhat incredulously) what in the hell he said in these talks?
[“Oh, pretty well exactly what you tell me when we’re down for holidays, Poppy Bushfire”
“You mean all that raving I do makes some sense to you?”
“Of course. Why wouldn’t it?”]
I adore that boy.
[ Only 4.5 hours to Paywall. Then I think we’ll see just how popular the OO really is. Chris Mitchell’s world is about to come crashing down around him. He and his rag are a LOT more popular in his own fevered brain than they are in the real world.
..with crossed toes and fingers BB]
No risk at all. Have you ever seen the OO remainders at the supermarket newspaper stand?
Even the Wall St. Journal had to give itself away, finally paying to give itself away, for 5c a copy.
[Mod Lib
Posted Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Permalink
Put it this way – Howard was treated like well loved Grandfather when he did a meet n Greet at Midland Gate Shopping Centre
I can’t believe you didn’t heckle him Frank! You missed a wonderful opportunity there!
]
Bit hard when he did it in the morning and I was still asleep – these events aren’t advertised.
French try likely to bring it down to a 1 point ball game…
try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to Froggy
[No risk at all. Have you ever seen the OO remainders at the supermarket newspaper stand?]
BB, our local cafe, in well to do South Yarra no less, has copies of The Age, The Herald Sun and The Australian daily for its patrons. By the end of the day, you could easily resell the copies of the Australian, as they look untouched and brand new off the press
[george
Posted Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 8:08 pm | Permalink
No risk at all. Have you ever seen the OO remainders at the supermarket newspaper stand?
BB, our local cafe, in well to do South Yarra no less, has copies of The Age, The Herald Sun and The Australian daily for its patrons. By the end of the day, you could easily resell the copies of the Australian, as they look untouched and brand new off the press
]
The only copies sold are to Radio and TV Newsrooms.
Thefinnigans TheFinnigans天地有道人无道
Will the Sheeppen Shaggers chooooke again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #RWC2011
8 seconds ago
The Australian is not going behind a Google paywall. It will be a case of copy the paywalled headline search it via Google (only) and hey presto no paywall.
What was Rupert saying about the evil Google? 😉
I reommend the ch2 series on now about the history of the car in Australia. The archive footage is amazing. do not miss it on iview! It Incudes an interview with aboriginal Elder whobwads the first of his people t see a vehicle.
Of course, any Labor backbencher in fear of losing their seat shouldnt’ be spending their time counting leadership beans anyway.
I’ve got a few dear friends who are Labor MPs in Victoria. They won their seats in ’99, seats which they had been told were unwinnable. Every election since, they’ve been told they’re goners (I well remember one of them asking me in the early 2000s what casual teaching paid, as she expected to be back doing it after the election).
They’re still there, having seen off colleagues who were on much bigger margins.
Why? They got elected in the first place because they were good local campaigners. And all through the years, they’ve stayed focussed on their constituents and on local issues.
One Senator went up in my estimation last election, when I heard him saying on his mobile wtte of “Don’t spend more money on a poll to see how your candidate is travelling; spend it campaigning to get him elected.”
For those who missed it here is THAT Speech by Tony Abbott to a Mrs Windsor 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQv_xdtLlKM
[zoomster
Posted Sunday, October 23, 2011 at 8:14 pm | Permalink
Of course, any Labor backbencher in fear of losing their seat shouldnt’ be spending their time counting leadership beans anyway.]
Why not? Voting to change leaders may be the best way to improve your chances.