Victorian upper house tickets: Libs put Greens last

224 comments on “Victorian upper house tickets: Libs put Greens last”

1. If it is true about the lower house prefs, only Mark Webber can beat this as tomorrow’s main headline.

   Speaking of which, Webber has exceeded all my expectations in the last few years and I hope he wins the title, if not tonight then some time in the future.

2. SOUTHERN METROPOLITAN

   [Sex Party: Greens; Labor;
   DLP: Christian Party; Family First; Liberal; Labor;
   Family First: Christian Party; DLP; Liberal; Labor;
   Christian Party: DLP; Family First; Liberal; Labor;
   Greens: Sex Party; Labor;
   Liberal: Labor;
   Labor:
   ]
   I do not see the tickets going beyond the end. I have left Labor after the Liberals as they may go over quota and have a surplus

   The qestion is what value can you giev each of the minor parties I can nt see them polling less then 7% combined. Greens 17% Labor 29% Liberal 47% If the Greens can be pegged back to below quota this would be good.

3. Hold It., Sex Party goes Vern huges> Greens , Liberal

4. The Sex Party are very popular. Any chance of them getting someone elected?

5. Pollster
   Posted Sunday, November 14, 2010 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

   Chris

   “Yep the DLP are rats were rats and still are rats.”

   DLP’s intent at split was NOT to hurt th Labor Party , but rather to fight perceive comm influense I always thought it was a gross misguided decision to fight from without instead of within

   in fact many many more Labor mp’s could easily gone as well naturaly sharing same views but thought better to fight inside

   Its true subsequently much pain caused to Labor due to prefs , and seems 1961 was an election llost from winning Reading many a/c’s of time of those involved , once split hapened very strong feelings went both ways , bridges burnt , & so no one else to pref Also some of there vote by then may bee parked Menzies votes also

   So when i think original intent to HELP Labor from perceive comms vs Greens whose intent is to HURT Labor & take lower house seats , so th ‘left’ rat (using your definiton) is Greens

   (However most Unions and DLP officials later rejoined Labor , and were welcomed

   I , like Labor Party foregiven DLP peoples , and wuld to Greens wishing to come back , tho Greens seem more zealotary in th clouds to reason & thin skin to critisism)

6. [Tom the first and best
   Posted Sunday, November 14, 2010 at 8:06 pm | Permalink
   300
   About Liberal Preferences or his own?]

   (from the last thread)

   The Libs, Tom

7. [
   If it is true about the lower house prefs, only Mark Webber can beat this as tomorrow’s main headline.

   Speaking of which, Webber has exceeded all my expectations in the last few years and I hope he wins the title, if not tonight then some time in the future.
   ]

   Agreed RR. I’m steeling myself for late one to watch the F1 tonight. Webber is looking out of it but all we need is an engine or two to go and he’s a chance. It’s been an amazing season with Webber getting so close.

8. The Age: Blue erupts over preference deals

   An argument has erupted between Labor, the Coalition and the Greens over preference deals ahead of the November 27 Victorian election.

   Victorian Treasurer John Lenders says he’s disappointed the Greens have not preferenced Labor first in many electorates ahead of the poll, and questioned whether the Greens had formed an alliance with the Coalition.

   But in response, Greens Victorian leader Greg Barber said there was no way his party would preference the Liberals first.

   And the Liberal Party Victorian director Tony Nutt said it would put the Greens last in all 88 lower house seats, accusing Labor and the Greens of forming their own alliance.

   The Victorian Electoral Commission’s deadline for parties to submit their group voting tickets passed at noon on Sunday.

   All how-to-vote cards must be handed in by noon on Friday.

   Mr Lenders said Labor had given the Greens first preference in all seats while the Greens did the same for Labor in only 12 or 13 seats.

9. Diogs,

   More likely they’ll get someone erected.

10. That confirms labor will retain Govt, thanks

11. Are Liberal pamphlets authorised by A. Nutt?

12. Diogs

    What position would they take on the floor of the house?

13. TT

    🙂

14. RR, the donkey vote position? 😆
    [
    AntonyGreenABC: #vicvotes The Sex Party’s donkey vote position likely to save the Greens in Western metro Region
    ]

15. Someone on Twitter has suggested that they have the donkey vote position in one of the regions.

16. Madcyril

    Snap! I still can’t believe this liberal position was taken before the Burvale – that crowd would have been fertile ground for such an announcement.

17. David
    Posted Sunday, November 14, 2010 at 8:37 pm | Permalink
    That confirms labor will retain Govt, thanks

    I dont think this will help the ALP at all (the greens are still considered an extreme party and have lost it’s protest vote position) the Liberal’s strange move to preference the Sex party in Northern Metropolitan will certainly hurt their vote there as well.

    The DLP candidates in South Eastern (representing all the worlds continents) remind people of their old nick name (that of the party of refugees).

    Congratulations to Geraldine for putting together such a great team. (with a great chance)

18. The Greens are farked then as are the Libs unless they have internal polling pointing to big and I mean big swings.

    Every other election they’ve preference the Greens before Labor yet now they are changing, bloody happy clappers again!

19. Landeryou confirms the Libs attempt at political principle. Must be true now.

    http://www.vexnews.com/news/11513/ha-ha-vic-liberals-put-principle-first-and-the-extreme-left-greens-last/

20. I’m stunned the Liberals are doing this. Why the sudden outbreak of principals?

21. Poll Bludger, you should include Group A in Northern Metro as “Independent Carers” as they will probably get 0.6%-plus given donkey vote. They are coming to me first and if I can then get ahead of Family First’s approx 2%, I should get up given DLP and Sex Party prefs are also coming my way. In the interests of transparency, I’ve fully disclosed all preference arrangements, including those with Family First and Greens which went across both the Federal and State election, hence your “all over the shop” observation. Disclosures are here: http://www.maynereport.com/articles/2010/11/14-2011-4927.html

    I challenge all other candidates and parties to do likewise.

    Regards, Stephen Mayne (Stephen@maynereport.com)

22. madcyril

    is it confirmed?

23. vic, according to this article it is

    [
    And the Liberal Party Victorian director Tony Nutt said it would put the Greens last in all 88 lower house seats, accusing Labor and the Greens of forming their own alliance.
    ]

    http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/blue-erupts-over-preference-deals-20101114-17sm0.html

24. cyril,

    School holidays.

25. madcyril

    The Libs are conflicted. They have Costello telling them one thing, and Kroger another 🙂

26. vic,
    Advice from the gutless and the faceless.

27. GG

    Good one!

28. I’ve added Group A to Northern Metropolitan.

29. GG

    [Diogs,

    More likely they’ll get someone erected.]

    I couldn’t think of a way of putting it that wouldn’t sound smutty.

    Get someone in.

    Get a position.

    Have a member.

30. Wow- if the Libs put Greens last extends to the lower house, that is big big news

31. Diogs,

    As you know, double entendres only have one meaning.

32. GG

    Damn those principals and their lack of principles

33. dlpguy…labor performed very well in the Fed election… there is no reason to think anything has changed in Victoria…first prefs from Greens to Labor…Coalition led by an unimaginitive dork, labor with easy workable majority…of course the msm will yell and scream otherwise…led by arseole Bolt…nothing has changed and Victoria is Gillard country, ask yourself…too much worry and fretting goes on here. Labor in. Time there was positive thought around this blog.

34. Anyone else notice that the “Greens Push” have disappeared.

    I suppose the real sharks have scared them off.

35. [I’m stunned the Liberals are doing this. Why the sudden outbreak of principals?]

    I think they’re conceding the election. They feel they can’t win, so will sail into the sunset as the “principled party”.

36. GG, you should look at these right wing preference deals and start to get worried. Your anti Green hysteria has blinded you. They will be coming for you next. The ALP have only one even remotely looking ally and all you do is join the right wing MSM in attacking them, fair enough.
    The ALP will go into rapid decline after the 27th and expect a NSW type debacle.
    I know this won’t make much news but these announcements today say alot about the state of politics in Victoria.
    Green vote about 14% on election night, they might just jag one lower and 4-5 uppers, but its taken the combined forces of both major parties and a fair number of the minors to do it.

37. vik,

    For years the Libs in Victoria have shivered in the cold because they stood for nothing much.

    Maybe they just found a backbone for a shiver to run down.

38. Oh and to the lie of the ‘Lenders article’ not one Green preference going to the Libs, yet the ALP have preferenced Country Alliance.

39. Barking,

    The James Taylor routine is hilarious.

    Labor owes the Greens nothing.

    The tales of Labor’s permanent decline are always exaggerated. However, for the Greens, Australian history says that’s another story. This election will just about do in all those middle aged, middle class malcontents who could not make it in a real political party.

40. This is fascinating, because the Victorian Liberals did not want to give the Federal seat of Melbourne to the Greens but they were overruled by the Federal organization. There was a lot of disquiet in the Coalition about this – Jason Wood in Latrobe was seething, saying that the failure to get anything in return could have cost him his seat, and the Coalition the election.

    So either – 1. The Liberals have said to the Greens they won’t give them seats in the lower house unless they get something substantial in return, and the Greens have said “no deal” hoping to call their bluff.

    Or – 2. The Liberal “hard heads” have thought about the long term, and decided that a “Red-Green” coalition may be bad for them, as it may enable Labor to move further to the right, squeezing out the Liberals from the centre. So while it may cause problems for Labor, it would be problems in government, with the Coalition locked out for sometime.

    Or – 3. The Liberals developed some backbone (possible, certainly in Victoria anyway)

41. You sound like that fool who supports Collingwood, the one with the yellow shirt.
    You don’t play for your team, you just sit on the sidelines with pie on your shirt yelling.
    I can only presume that William thinks you add something, clearly not content or insight.

42. William

    [This was derived from results of both the 2006 and 2010 federal elections, and indications of Liberal voters’ fealty to how-to-vote cards based on a Victorian Electoral Commission ballot paper study.]

    What is the rebellion rate of Libs voting Green when HTV says Labor, and what is it vice versa?

43. Sorry that comment at 41 was the GG

44. Fourth possibility – Liberals are plying for 2014 if they don’t win now, and feel that a fourth term Labor govt will be easier to beat than a new Labor-Green govt.

45. The DLP and FF may as well form a coalition looking at their preference deals.

46. It does make me laugh when the ALP start talking about principles here. Ha

47. RR,

    The Greens have always played the “Our way or the highway” card in their negotiations.

    The Greens are on the Highway to Hell, now. They’ve created huge expectations through their rhetoric and arrogance. How soon before the younger more street wise generation either depose these turkeys or if thwarted, return to Labor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsDpznl8eIs

48. Ever since Stephen Fielding, FF/ALP senator was elected these shananagins have been going on.
    Last time the ALP elected their DLP member form Western Vic, now they seem to be trying to get a representative of the shotters/hunters/loggers party up.

49. With the Liberals placing the ALP ahead of the Greens I am inclinded to think the Greens will struggle to win more than two LA seats. (Melbourne & Richmond)

    I will stick my head out at 10.04 two weeks out and call the Government to be returned.

    I now need a good rock to hide under.

50. Dlpguy @ 17
    [The DLP candidates in South Eastern (representing all the worlds continents) remind people of their old nick name (that of the party of refugees).]

    The actual DLP policy on asylum seekers is significantly further to the right than the Liberals, so I find it quite surprising that Dlpguy is spruiking the DLP as the “party of refugees”.

    For the benefit of other readers, the DLP policy involves transporting all asylum seekers arriving by boat to the “end of the queue” in refugee camps in Pakistan & on the Thai-Burma border. As a form of “punishment” to the boat people, a DLP government would then accept 2 refugees from the camps in exchange for each refugee “delivered” by Australia.

    From the DLP website:

    [Queensland DLP senate team leader, Tony Zegenhagen announced today that the Democratic Labor Party rejects any plan to establish an asylum seekerprocessing centre in East Timor. “This foolish fantasy lays bare the incompetence of ALP policy formation.”

    … “There are thousands of legitimate refugees … waiting to be resettled in camps in Pakistan and on the Thai-Burma border. The Democratic Labor Party plan is for Australia to transport asylum seekers arriving by boat to the end of queue in these camps for processing, and in return accept from the camps two legitimate refugees for each asylum seeker delivered by Australia.”]

    http://dlp.org.au/party/2-for-1-refugee-plan

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