The increasingly unpredictable Roy Morgan has released a face-to-face survey of 797 voters conducted just over a week ago, showing Labor’s two-party lead up to 60-40 from 59-41 at the larger poll conducted over the two previous weekends. Both Labor (48 per cent) and the Coalition (34.5 per cent) are down 0.5 per cent on the primary vote, with the Greens spiking from 8 per cent to 11.5 per cent, mostly at the expense of “independent/others” (down from 6 per cent to 3.5 per cent).
Hi all,
I have been reading this forum for a while, it has given me great joy in seeing fair opinions and analysis, at a time where the media is certainly off the rails.
I believe Ruud currently through his ad campaign, is focusing and targetting the sceptics, with the intention of making them look foolishly fanatical and archaic.
He is focussing on the problem, explaining impact if we do nothing…, and once he gets an idea of its effectiveness or not, he will act accordingly.
He can afford the time, to gather information, CLP weaknesses, etc… till the white paper comes out.
The team Ruud/Gillard/Wong/Tanner is a powerful force not to be underestimated.
That said, there are some things I would like them to do different, or react, because occasionally, the media & CLP do spook me… and their scare tactics frustrate me….but we forget they have only been in for 7mths…….. lets wait till end of year, when papers are released, 2020 summit … etc…..
Not true. I came up with my attitude all by myself. I want Rudd to succeed… that’s the other difference.
I’ve always felt this way about Rudd, except in the lead-up to the election and in the few months after it, I put my misgivings to one side.
I thought his “attack” (from opposition) on the government on the subjects of Iraq and AWB was limp-wristed.
I always thought he spoke far too much in cliches. Still do.
I don’t like the way he has caved in on various subjects: Friday sittings, carer’s bonus and so on. It’s getting to the stage where I won’t make any predictions about Rudd being bold or brave politically, because he usually wimps out. Not contesting Mayo is another example. It just smacks of being too careful by half.
I feel that there is a killer instinct in there somewhere but that he’s listening to much to the spin doctors who are telling him the public wants a nerd in charge of the country. Hey, there’s gotta be a little room for the king hit at times, too. I know he can do it (or else why do Downer, Turnbull et al hate him so much… he king hit all of those at various stages, in various ways). I’d like to see a litle bit of viciousness from time to time, just to remind people he can do it. Lately he’s seemed like he’s on industrial strength Prozac.
On spin doctors, I think he’s too concerned with maintaining his political capital and not enough with going out there and earning more. Global Warming should be a no brainer for winning politically: “Save the planet? Where do I sign up for that?”. Yet 30% are still deniers. This figure should be 3%, not 30 %. Who else’s fault is that besides Rudd’s and his government’s? Even David Hicks managed to score 91% in a Newspoll. Why can’t Global Warming?
So, no… not a victim of the MSM commentariat. Just realising that my first impressions of Rudd may have been more valid than I cared to admit to myself, or to others.
Summed up: Rudd continually lets me down, and I don’t like that feeling.
Greens leader Bob Brown says his party will not put any pre-conditions on negotiations with the Federal Government on its emissions trading scheme.
Federal Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson has repeated today that the Coalition will not back the Government’s preferred start-up date for the scheme of 2010.
Senator Brown says Dr Nelson is ignoring the fact that the scheme will be more expensive the longer it is delayed.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/23/2312161.htm?section=justin
I this the new pragmatic Bob? 5 down 2 to go. 🙂
“Bushfire Bill Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Ari, I hope you’re not saying that winning the next election means Rudd shouldn’t at least try to inspire us and lift our spirits for the coming fight?’
No, just relaying what I found out at the Delphic Oracle.
It looks like Rudd’s stated intention to bypass the Greens & negotiate his CC policy implementation with the Libs has struck a nerve.
{The Greens leader says while the Greens have firm policies on what targets should be set to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, they will work constructively with the Government in the Senate.
“The Greens have made it clear what we think the target should be, and of all the parties we’re being constructive in saying what the answers should be,” he said.
“But we will be negotiating with the Government and trying to get better outcomes. }
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/23/2312161.htm?section=justin
“Bushfire Bill Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Summed up: Rudd continually lets me down, and I don’t like that feeling.”
Try following the Rabbitohs!
{The Greens have confirmed they will field a candidate in the federal seat of Lyne, which is being vacated by former deputy prime minister Mark Vaile.}
{Ms Russell says a final decision on the candidate will be made at a meeting on Sunday.
She says Mr Vaile’s resignation was overdue.
“His resignation means that one more of those old-school business-as-usual climate sceptics has now left the Parliament,” she said.}
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/23/2312172.htm?section=justin
The MSM told us repeatedly that the Fibs were going to close the gap, the “narrowing” that Howard was going to retain his seat and that the polls were misleading. Now we hear that there is a llikelyhood of a double dissolution that would strangely favour the loonys on the other side and that this is a one term government.
These people have no credibility. These theories are year ten poltics and a fail at that. Really its just a farce, so can we not get drawn into this idea that after a few months of government the Ruddster is in danger. Here is a call from a long way out. I would bet Sydney to a Brick that this government will be returned and whoever leads the opposition to the next election will never be PM.
Bushfire Bill – I understand where you are coming from, however:-
…Rudd has unfortunately, due to the Libs and media having ganged up, forced him to play some politics initially.
You recall why Lab lost previous elections …. scare i/r/economy, scare iraq/security, Howard buying votes via pensioners, middleclass bonuses …etc… if he were to go hard on these issues, he would not have gotten in….he and his team need to maintain cool professionalism and not become the muppets that the Libs display on a daily basis. If he wasnt on the right track re his statesman like decor, his approval would have nose dived by now.
Look at the reaction to the alcopop, medicare threshold ..reasonable reform….. look at Howard/Costello saying no to petrol excise reduction and been Ok, but when Rudd says no, shit hits the fan !!!!
Why didnt the pensioners strip and protest during the Howard years, no….they had to wait when Lab came in ….
Rudd is in a complicated place, run by irresponsible populist oppos and media, he needs time to work out what I see as a new phenomenon …. of false, ill-informed and misguided media and opposition…. Bolt/Piers a prime example.
Yesterday i saw in the morning shows how the docu that came out in the UK, attacking GW, is now incorrect and false in its allegations…. havent seen that anywhere as top billing ….
258 “I would bet Sydney to a Brick”
Are you sure you don’t mean, ‘Sydney to a brick on’, Bob?
I’ll never vote for the Libs, and will always vote for Labor. Labor, Federally, is too ingrained in me. Call me rusted on. 5 generations of family, many of them Labor party members (though not me) and politicians (not me either).
I want Rudd to do well, but I’ve become sick at heart with him. Nevertheless, my criticisms are intended to be constructive, not just an aimless whinge. There’s a point , a positive point (at least in my own empty head), to what I’m saying and thinking.
I’ll let it go at that.
On targets, why would ruddywell hang himself out to dry as a greenspuppet on targets? On timing, why would ruddywell give the tory careerists another three years of populist-or-perish politics? With excellent poll figures and with about two out of every three voters apparently on the eco-hysterical side of the climate change great divide, why wouldn’t ruddywell call a DD? Then we could sit back and watch the ruddy panic buttons being pushed in toryland. The jobs! The jobs! Hang on to the great empathizer? Go with a banker when banks are on the nose, if not actually going broke? Go with the wicked witch of the west? Go with the mad monk – perhaps mckillop’s second miracle? And then what about the williwillinot? Choices! Choices! And as for we puny punters, think of the blogops!
Hey BB
I hear you.
I do think Rudd’s behaviour may be (as Galaxy implied) based on habits developed over long years in opposition.
I can’t tell you how much I dislike JWH, but you have to admit the man was a consummate political opportunist. Labor lost one unlosable election due to blatant racist dog whistling and another due to their own poor choice in leader. They were always going to back a careful man this time. Rudd won because he didn’t make any big mistakes. I think he still has to learn that he can now risk one or two.
Time is on his side and the man has a brain – he’ll come good.
“I wish I knew where to start out on the subject of your cynicism, GB.”
One man’s cynicism is another man’s realism. I’m a political realist.
“The ad campaign is already a dead duck. Fluffy messages, hacked to pieces as partisan advertising by the hypocrites on the right.”
Really and where is the proof that Barnaby and friends have had any effect out there in voterland? I think you’re being spooked BB. You attribute too much power to the messages being given out by opponents and that is naive. The CC advertising has a good chance of working because the underlying strong perception in voterland is the same as that being preached by the message being put in these ads. People didn’t turn against WC being of the criticisms of how much Howard spent on advertising. The “spending” criticism comes and goes very quickly. The product being sold is what makes or breaks the campaign and where the public stand perceptually.
“Try selling that to the Footy show audience.”
Better still, try selling a visionary ideal being spruiked by a political talking head to a Footy show audience.” You can see their eyes glazing over now.
Here’s a challenge BB. You’re great with words, give me an idea of what Rudd could say in such a visionary speech. While you’re at it tell me why such a speech would have any effect on the nay sayers and on those who want to bring Rudd down.
I think the politcs and the CC are being are being mixed up with what our enemys tactics are The MSN and the Libs were always going to go down the trak of lost jobs , higher costs , wait for rest of worlds , deniying CC exists, confusions And sert groundworks they tink for a 2010 electon scare win
What the ‘right’ devils want guys is to breed some ‘cauton’ from us & from sir Kevin , buy TIME for there busines mates (the financial stakes even in ‘oz’ are reely trillions!) , but above all forse a MINIMALIST CC position …that is the role & objectve of “capital” & there Lib reps I and all yous guys understand them heathens tactics & profit motives
So no I’m not spooked by the MSN or the Libs, thats what they were going &will continue to do What we ar debating is not to let Kevin07 get suckered & lose the next electon , not st.ff the economy already fragile , but solve CC , and how to solve CC either via ETS or the ron dreamy vison plus ETS What methodical Kev has done with the adds , is like a General create a defense against the CC denyers , then next General Kev via ‘process’ lay out the ETS later , and then legislation June 2009 at earliest re the crucuual transitionry RET schem process & detail
What can i say , politcly and governance wise brillant , whch is why many of yous do not wish on these logc grounds to have Sir Kevin be so bold now & instead jump onto the super solar grid ship So i actualy understand your view , BUT 1/ it allows the initiative to the negative side of the argument to breed doubt to the “majority converted voters” on job security , on deniers & on higher costs , perhaps fatally to CC support 2/ these are reel life to voters hip pocket issues and there is no offsetting tangable 3/ no enegy alternative to the voters confusion/fear that elctricity availabilty will be less Now Kevin07 may then get re-elected but the ‘right’ may hav won , Kevin07 may then have been forsed into wearing a minimalist CC position relying on ETS only
So even politcly , sir Kevin can politcly affford to take risk , what more worthwhile isue is there than CC in fact , played right he could paint he Libs as defenders of poluters & holding back ‘oz’ future techo in solar & future jobs , as well as making those greedy voters still hav a good CC heart
You still don’t get it, GB.
The speech delivers the idea. It’s ideas that matter, but without proper delivery they’re not worth a blogger’s curse.
You need the speech and the idea, the program: the future possibilities expressed in a few words of genuine communication. Something that gets people talking, rather than whingeing. As long as you regard Rudd as just another “political talking head” you’ll be doomed to an endless cycle of cynicism.
So far Rudd has expressed few ideas on Global Warming other than it’ll be grim and miserable, platitudes like “the Devil’s in the details” and endless repetition of his “Working Families” mantra. He needs to up his game, after taking a holiday.
I do find your continually calling those who disagree with you “naive” rather tiresome. If you were a genuine political realist, rather than a pretend one, you’d realise that there is a need for leadership in this country, not mere chairmanship.
Write what you like in reply. I’m going to walk the dogs.
The Govt. is starting to control the political agenda, from the election to budget they were reacting – now they are leading.
The ETS is the first cab off the rank because Garnuat was set up from opposition, but the much derided enquiries will all start to report within a few months.
If you think Brenda is confused now – wait until Ken Henry brings down his report. 😛
Boerwar @ 262, my thoughts exactly – A dd would be a great chance to drive the final stake into the heart of the liberal machine. It would being doing Australia a favour to get rid of a party that is now full of extreme right idiot savants.
Tom.
Tom
A DD would not get rid of the Fibs – it would just give minor parties more senators due to the lower quota required.
There will not be a DD on the ETS legislation – it would be too close to a “normal” election to bother.
BB,
Agree that Rudd also needs to also talk about the possibilities and opportunities that tackling GW presents instead of the constant hand-wringing about the pain of it all. That’s dancing to the discordant (and very smelly) tune the opposition are trying to sell.
Especially so now that petrol prices are likely to fall to more comfortable levels which I believe may work against the ETS instead of making it easier to sell, as I suspect the high polling figures in support are driven to a some extent by a combination of fears about peak oil inflating prices and the effects of the prolonged drought, particularly the plight of the M-D system and urban water restrictions. If fuel prices drop and we were to get some good rains across southern states the willingness to tackle Climate Change could dissipate very quickly.
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Aristotle @ 254-
No, just relaying what I found out at the Delphic Oracle.
It is now believed that the Oracle was high as a petrol sniffing kite on either natural gas or oil fumes wafting up from underground deposits in the Delphi region, hence the weird phrasing in much of her predictions. So I’d take her claims on anything to do with GW with a larger than usual pinch of salt. Her pronouncements could be driven by guilt about her part in rising atmospheric carbon levels! 😉
Check out http://www.abc.net.au/iview/ 🙂
Looks like the knackery for any grandfathers who like a tipple.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/23/2312389.htm
273 GG funny that there was no mention of the banks in his explanation of causes of inflation. WTF does deposit and loan facilities mean in simple English?
* The most significant price rises this quarter were for deposit and loan facilities (+9.5%), automotive fuel (+8.7%), rents (+2.2%), hospital and medical services (+4.0%), house purchase (+1.0%), furniture (+3.1%), and spirits (+6.1%).
steve,
Might be fees and interest rates. Might relate to the chances of getting that $50 back that you lent your mate lat Saturday at the pub.
On the inflation figures the underlying rate fell slightly from 1.25% to 1.1% not huge but a modest move in the right direction.
I expect the next two quarters will show inflation falling at a greater rate, by the next budget Swannie will be in Tip’s league as the worlds bestest, 🙂
The best thing that the Gov’t can do is focus on what they are doing and carry on their job of implementing the CC policy. It would be wrong to be distracted by the Opposition and the Media in their spoiling tactics.The spoiling tactics which they employed right from November 2007 are because they simply have no policy of their own.
Whatever Rudd did would be criticised. If the ads were too aggressive they would claim scare mongering. In this case they are claiming “too fluffy”. The spoiling tactics will just go on and on. He would be damned by them if he did, and damned if he didn’t.
In the face of this it is easy to get disappointed and frustrated and yes, spooked by the media. It is easy to be critical but difficult to be constructive unless you have “walked a mile in a man’s shoes”. It is also easy to be disappointed if your own expectations are unreal.
The worst thing Rudd could do at the moment is to give a “visionary speech” full of “passion” and “inspiration”. Now this is probably different to what most bloggers are thinking but I can see Nelson and the MSM saying ” he has become an enthusiast; he is getting carried away with himself; his glass jaw is showing, we knew he could not take the criticism; he cracks under pressure; he is getting desperate; a man like that is not fit to be PM; still more spin and no substance & etc”. One of the reasons Rudd is there is because he convinced the electorate he had a safe pair of hands. To provide an excuse for his opponents to make out with credibility that he was not a safe pair of hands to the voters would be fatal. At the moment we need steady leadership as the process proceeds and Rudd is providing it.
We have had the Greens and now Nelson posturing. We do not need Rudd posturing as well. There are complicated politics even to get the CC passed.
I believe there is a time and place for such a speech but it is not now. It would be more timely and appropriate done as part of the presentation of the final white paper in December after voters have had time to become at least partially familiar with the package.
The next election should see the end of Family First and the 4th conservative from Qld (Barnaby Joyce). If the ALP give sensible preferences the Libs will naturally loose there advantage as Senator Zen from South Aus seems more and more to be somewhere between the Greens and the ALP. He was the variable of the last Senate election. No chance of a DD.
Bob Santamaria is spot on. I wonder what the odds on Sports bet is.
Seems that the main measure of the “deposit and loan facilities” is to capture the difference between what banks charge for a loan compared to what deposit interest they will pay for borrowing your money.
A more broad definition is here:
“Financial services other than general insurance. This encompasses a range of services, such as those associated with deposit and loan facilities offered by financial intermediaries, broking and real estate services, currency exchange, legal and accounting services and superannuation fund services. These services are typically complex to price and suitable data are not readily available for some. (footnote 9)”
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/429515868B489F76CA25705F001ECA8B?opendocument
Follow the Preferences, if the Pineapple Party is formed on the weekend. Barnaby becomes number 2 senator for the Pineapple Party.
See W11(a) and (b):
http://www.qld.liberal.org.au/pdf/merger/Draft%20Constitution.pdf
CC started of as a climate environmentel problem But now CC has been turned into an economic problem , with an economic solution rather than a climatologists solution
IF the Climatoligists & scientists had there way , wouldn’t they say: here’s the CC problam its climate change , here’s the cause its fosils get rid of them , here’s th timeframe you’ve got to act in i before its rreversibility , and here’s the solution for example solar power Now Mr Politicans & business get the economists to work out how to cushion the economy & peoples jobs , but only within our proven science based boundaries of the tiping point No matter how much “process” we do , we are working CC out in reverse
So if a massive meteoric is heading towards earth , the politcans & econamists will frst work out how the economy will handle the after damage , rather than how to stop the meteoric or minimise human loss
ruawake @ 268
“wait until Ken Henry brings down his report”
On the topic of reports, it was interesting to watch the ABC tonight listing several (including Ken Henry’s) and making much ado about how many of them had slipped behind in their proposed reporting timetable. Is the ABC funded by the Murdoch press these days?
Ron
It is logical. There is no CC policy unless passed by the Senate- that is democracy. There is the option of a DD but is unlikely. When you are talking politics there are voters. With no economic policy integrated with CC the voters will not support you. It is politics but necessary politics and is but the means to an end. Economics has to be involved. There is no easy way!
I do not see how Barnaby could miss out in holding his Senate seat He & Boswell are th only 2 Nat Q’ld Senators anyway & there terms started a different elections , so both always would be no 1 on a Nats ticket
Springborg says Liberal termites attacking merger process…
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/termites-attacking-merger-bid/2008/07/23/1216492522419.html
But they will all be one big happy family come Monday!
I seem to recall the plan being that Ron Boswell would quit and Barnaby Joyce would fill his vacancy.
Thought Joyce was elected 2004 and Bosswell in 2007 , making them having alternatve ends or was a deal/change by the Nats made prior to the last electon
and cann’t see benefit of a deal for the Nats , as Joyce would win a 6 year term Seat in 2010 (to 2016) and if Bosswell wanted to go earlir you’d think they’d get the next “Nats’ rather than a “Lib’Nats” in line to serve out till 2014 But then i’ve nevr understood the Nats anyway
281 Ron-
all very well, but I’ve asked this question of climatologists (one of whom is on the IPCC) and the answers I’ve got from them have been along these lines –
(i) they just do science, they don’t do policy, that’s the job of politicians;
(ii) there’s no need/requirement/reason to get rid of fossil fuels – the focus should be on minimising their importance and on community awareness (so if you put in air conditioning, put a solar cell on the roof as well to balance your usage);
(iii) acting now prevents the situation worsening in twenty years’ time. It doesn’t stop climate change from happening. The tipping point was reached probably twenty years ago. Leave climatologists to sell the message and the Libs and their ilk will be saying “well, let’s wait until 2030”;
(iv) given (iii) we need to focus on adaption as well as mitigation. We’re still only at step one – it is urgent that we broaden the focus of the discussion.
Zoom
#289
I’ll look for further info , as the data i’ve seen is contrary to what your guy implys , & says instead the tipping point is not yet reached , an big emmissions reductons are needed by 2020 The big problem with all this is it allows the CC denyers to divide & cause confusion/doubts to prevent CC action As a starter :
AP 8-7-2008
‘Scientists say urgent action is needed to make greenhouse gas emissions fall after peaking within the NEXT 15 years, to limit the increase in global temperatures to under 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit. Temperatures beyond that could trigger the worst effects of warming, such as melting ice sheets and extreme weather’
The article was reporting on the G8 agreeing to 50% reductions by 2050 , something i also understand is insufficent
So many of you are rabbiting on about getting visionary speeches from Mr Rudd. These days, you should count yourself lucky if you get one memorable speech per year out of any Australian politician. You had the apology speech last February: be grateful for that.
Pedant
#291
“So many of you are rabbiting on about getting visionary speeches from Mr Rudd”
i hav NEVER suggested Rudd makes a ‘visionary’ speech at all I’m talking about a vision tangable policy being solar based , thats a policy of setting an agenda & target of what enegy base sourse we wish to have operating in 10 years time , and implementing an infrastrucure plan to achieve it
The difference is along term policy that operates with what is the current enegy sourse , and seeks to massage it & “hope” to phase in alternatives Not sure where the relevance of the appology is , but if you implying that was mere symbolism also , then you missed the point of it
277 Doug – well said. Spot on.
Doug
#277
Not sure why you posted that I hav no fear of the MSN or the Libs , they are pushing an anti CC barrow as i expected & forcast a week ago , no surprise there 7 they’ll keep doing it I imagine Rudd has as little fear of there red herrings & posturing for 2010 electon as i do because Rugdd has them cornered on CC As for vision policy based on now agendering an alternative enegy sourse and implementing infrastructure plands to achieve it , thats not a visionary speech at all , thats forward based policy formulation that any proper busines plan has as a principal Thats why Pedant missed th point diference
[So many of you are rabbiting on about getting visionary speeches from Mr Rudd. These days, you should count yourself lucky if you get one memorable speech per year out of any Australian politician. You had the apology speech last February: be grateful for that.]
Totally agree. It’s been getting extremely tiresome.
but as mentioned , i suspect rudd is shortly by ‘process’ and timing about to let the Lbs out of the trap
“As long as you regard Rudd as just another “political talking head” you’ll be doomed to an endless cycle of cynicism.”
I don’t but we’re not talking about me or you, we’re talking about the “Footy Show audience” type people, you know the ones that couldn’t give a continental about politics, including what the PM says.
“I do find your continually calling those who disagree with you “naive” rather tiresome.”
If you look through all of my postings you’ll find I’ve used this term twice and I believe those were justified.
“If you were a genuine political realist, rather than a pretend one, you’d realise that there is a need for leadership in this country, not mere chairmanship.”
I believe we are getting real leadership. As for the “pretend” part, I’ll assume that it’s you showing your frustration at Rudd for not being the miracle man you expected.
Well, that’s it for me on this topic. You and I will not agree on this but that’s life.
Gary ,
what you and BB are arguing on re visionary statements , is completely diferent to what me and Doug are debating Doug wants to wait on the details from the ‘process” re ETS , whereas i feel the Green papr has set the broad Agenda & i feel ETS alone & the proposed RET objects will not achieve the desired enegy replacement levels or quantum , without adding a solar grid infatrastucture schem policy & schedule
Doug , Bushfire Bill & Dario
Doug #283
sorry missed your post till now Doug , agree with you , my thoughts in #281 were actualy agianst Politicans & vested Enegy interests interfering with climatologists conclusions then independently modelled by econamists to give us varying options , but regretably reality is reality & there are politicans & vested interests as players
Your #277 was replied to in #294 to clarify where there is a agrement & that what is being suggested isn’t a ‘solar speech’ , but instead I’m suggesting a comprehensive policy alternitive of a super solar grid fully costed targeted scheduled phased in with infrstracture planning to met a replacement enegy objective added to ETS & REt , so the voters greedy usage is satisfied with CC
benefits , simply a different policy & polical approach
Dario
#295
your post against Bushfire Bill: “It’s been getting extremely tiresome” That was a little harsh against a ‘left’ guy Whilst Bushfire has a different approach to my view (as expressed above) , he is entitled to make his CC views , some of his points ar actualy quite valid There are aftar all , about 4 different CC & polical approachs been put here plus the consevative posters ideas like JOH
No Ron my 277 refers to a number of comments by various people wanting Rudd to make a bold visionary statement. I originally thought it was a good idea for him to give a “big picture” statement quite a while ago but the comments were getting a little too extreme. With the process unfolding the way it is I could see that that was not what was required and could in fact be politically very damaging, at least if done at the present time.
Even with your idea of a vision(solar power) rather than a full blown visionary speech it was too early. Let more people get their heads around what the major details of CTS are and what it means to them before that happens.
I would have thought such a statement could be made at the presentation of the final White Paper in December, but that would also be dependant on the political dynamics at that time.
The blog “Tree of Knowledge ” gives an idea what situation the Libs are in. At the moment they seem to be disintegrating and heading for unelectable positions on CC. They will recover to a point but they are in trouble. Rudd’s refusal to bite and give them ammunition is working. He is providing the steady leadership at present appropriate to the existing political dynamics.
PS sorry I can’t give you the link. Every time I try it doesn’t work.