Reuters has released a new Poll Trend result, a weighted aggregate of the past week’s Newspoll, Morgan and ACNielsen polls. It shows the first increase in Labor support since the campaign began, to 55.3-44.7 from 55.0-45.0 last week. Both parties are down on the primary vote, Labor from 47.4 per cent to 46.9 per cent and the Coalition from 40.8 per cent to 39.9 per cent.
[There is a long track record of union standover bully tactics. It’s not desperation, it’s plain fact.]
And there’s a long track record of bosses standing over workers and ripping off their pay and conditions. WTF is your point?
[What a surprising piece from the Melbourne Communist. Ross McMullin can’t help himself.]
Surprise, surprise, you revert to Bob Menzies’ tactics circa 1963.
Real forward thinking there.
I’m finding the piranha attack on Generic Person a little distasteful. Two comments by Adrian deleted.
When the Libs are hiring “trolls” they should remember the old saying “you get what you pay for”
No 201
Again, the double standards and hypocrisy continue. We’re all supposed to accept the sustained attacks on the integrity of the Australian, yet when the fairfax papers are criticised as bastions of leftism, it’s backward and akin to thoughts in 1963.
GP, what are the working class seats that the libs hold in NSW? I’d be interested if you can give, say, 5 examples.
Hey 204… you write and think like Chris Mitchell of the OZ.
Rupert is making them all sing for their supper….SHEESH!!!
ah well, no one forces GP in here as this afternoons lib-troll pinate-boy…
No 205
How is that you still vote ALP? What’s your point?
I mean, here we have an ALP proclaiming to be the party of economic conservatives who’ve in the past, opposed all the economic reforms of the government, namely the GST and keeping the budget in surplus.
So, again, what’s your point? How do you still vote ALP when they’ve thrown their principles out the proverbial back door?
The funniest thing about the Liberal trolling which seeks to rile-up ALP supporters is that, given the polling positions, such trolling will only serve to assist the ALP by maintaining their rage and focus!
You could only really seek to gain any real-world advantage by demoralising supporters of the other side if the polling was at all close.
Hence why “concern troll” trolling should really be the order of the day (though this would have to be delivered with some skill so as to not be detected a mile off).
Coalition pork and the distibution thereof:
http://andrewleigh.com/?p=1695
[Again, the double standards and hypocrisy continue. We’re all supposed to accept the sustained attacks on the integrity of the Australian, yet when the fairfax papers are criticised as bastions of leftism, it’s backward and akin to thoughts in 1963.]
I know this will be news to you, but the threat of communism isn’t a concern in Australia. Also, we recognised China in 1972, and the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.
I reckon that if The Australian is the “Heart of the Nation” then Dennis must be it’s funny bone… you know, the one that when you hit it other’s laugh but to yourself it is painful.
Sorry my post wasn’t referring to Nath’s. It seems John Rocket’s posts have been deleted.
GP- I was hoping you actually had something to add to my comment at 198, you know, a bit of a prediction of the fall back position the libs will use on election night for their demise?
[I mean, here we have an ALP proclaiming to be the party of economic conservatives who’ve in the past, opposed all the economic reforms of the government, namely the GST and keeping the budget in surplus. ]
John Howard opposed keeping the budget in surplus when he was treasurer.
He also voted against Medicare and Supperannuation.
[I reckon that if The Australian is the “Heart of the Nation” then Dennis must be it’s funny bone… you know, the one that when you hit it other’s laugh but to yourself it is painful.]
And in this case Caroline Overingahanananana is – the groin!!!!!
GP… Liberal’s are a protected species it would seem, is pollbludger to become a conservation park for endangered tories?
Joni
The funny bone???
That’s very polite.
No 214
What is there to add? It’s the same old anti-workchoices crap you guys have been peddling for months.
School computers rather than inflationary cash in pocket.
Digital education
Labor has put in a new plank in their broadband policy: they are going to provide computers and wire up all secondary school students in Australia. It will cost $1 billion and will cover public and private schools. Going across these is a good idea although the precise terms are something that will be interesting to look at.
This is a better way to do e-Education than wiring homes up. It is targeted on that activity and is part of education — something provided by the government. I was critical of Labor’s broadband policy as I didn’t see it as a public good. This aspect, however, does fall within that rubric and is a potentially sensible use of public money. Someone get Steve Jobs on the phone. Surely, we don’t want Vista everywhere.
http://www.economics.com.au/?p=1191
No 215
1. John Howard is not the treasurer. 10 of the last 12 budgets have been surpluses.
2. If John Howard didn’t support Medicare, he wouldn’t have trebled health funding to $50 billion.
This is getting beyond tedious.
Maybe I’ll return when it’s Glenn’s shift…
Before getting carried away, reflect on this. Howard has challenged Rudd to blink, and today, whether foolishly or otherwise, Rudd has refused to do so. Both men are gambling from different instincts. The older is dispensing with all the advice of the economic, academic and journalistic opinionators and – rightly so in my view – betting the whole enchalada on the age old verities of human greed and misinformed self-interest. The younger man, confident in his own powers of persuasion and still unseasoned of the sap from his Nambour schooldays, is relying on rhetoric and a deeper sense of economic rationalism to sway the citizenry. Whether each is a powerful enough antidote to the other is a fascinating and perennial question. It goes without saying that both sides of this debate have their understandably one-eyed supporters. What composite stereo is the nation’s tv sets playing? Tune in Sat week to find out.
Scaper, a few days ago you eluded to a “trump” Labor would use if it needed. Any further comments now?
HEre is what Ch 7 in Perth are covering in the news tonight via their Newsmail.
[Hello, Rick Ardon with 7Newsmail on this warm Wednesday afternoon.
Tonight in Seven News, see an angry Alan Carpenter announcing his decision to dump another Labor MP.
Exclusive pictures of a young arson suspect arrested over a million dollar blaze in the city.
Louise Momber speaks to the Perth schoolgirl robbed by two girls in a library.
Hear a couple’s emotional plea to find their missing Perth son.
We catch up with Ben Cousins in Sydney.
And a delighted Adam Gilchrist named Australia’s best ever one-day cricketer.
Join us for Seven News at 6.]
Note the lead story, a Leader actually dealing promptly with wayward ministers/backbenchers.
GP, just to gauge your level of support for the government, do you support just a few of their policies, such as: Iraq, WorkChoices, Nuclear power, inaction on climate change, excision of Australia from the Australian migration zone, disenfranchisement of new and moved voters, suspension of the antidiscrimination act, abuse of FOI legislation and caretaker protocols, profligate spending of taxpayers money on party political advertising?
If you do, in the words of that woman, ‘please explain’ why? If its logical debate you want, then were all ears.
Personally, I actually think GP enjoys being the odd man out, the belle of the ball – he’s been needling most of the afternoon, on this and the other thread… which is fine but if a number of ppl decide – spontaneously and without even a secret ballot being taken – to give him some stick… well that’s just desserts. Most of the comments I read, before these comments were deleted – had a certain edgy fun about them… yes, edgy but no metaphorical glasses being thrown in faces… it disappoints me that there’s censorship going on… really.
[What is there to add? It’s the same old anti-workchoices crap you guys have been peddling for months.]
The fact you are pro-WorkChoices is why you are on the losing side of this election.
[1. John Howard is not the treasurer. 10 of the last 12 budgets have been surpluses.]
Oh OK, so ignore the past when it doesn’t suit your argument. That’s pretty piss weak mate.
[2. If John Howard didn’t support Medicare, he wouldn’t have trebled health funding to $50 billion.]
He voted against it in 1984. Read a book or two, you may learn something.
Hmmm… let’s look at Lord Downer of Baghdad and his achievements, and why he deserves respect…
Regime change in Zimbabwe
Democracy in Iraq
Victory in Afghanistan
Signed Kyoto protocol…
Strengthened United Nations
Got rid of Burma Junta
Intervened successfully in Darfur
Brought about world peace
Have I missed any?
Yep,
It wasn’t needed….much egg on face.
I was referring to a possible fiddle with the GST or fuel excise, as these issues were researched as a possible weapon to arrest inflation etc.
Better to hold back now that the result looks assured.
William. Does a “piranha attack” refer to moi? Or are you being metaphorical.
Ok, the asberger’s comment in the other post was a tad over the top.
Rubbish, JR. The only difference between GP’s comments and 90 per cent of the rest of what gets posted here is that they don’t conform with the group-think of those who would have this site be their own private little left-wing love-in.
GP, health funding has dramatically declined under this government, its declined to 41 per cent of the total, its meant to be 50. Funding to the states is at a 30 year low. Dont plug lies, thats what rodents do.
William is spot on. GP isn’t too bad in most of her/his comments. I’ve actually seen some well-reasoned stuff in there. It’s true the more attacking comments are tedious… but you get those types of tedious comments on both sides.
The Government considered live fish more important than live horses. No wonder horseflu got away from these clowns.
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/fish-higher-priority-than-horses/20071114-1a7n.html
Just back from the poll that counts: remote mobile polling booths on the Dampier Peninsula. Straw poll whilst handing out ALP how-to-votes at two aboriginal communities: Howard on nose, Haase on way out. Kalgoorlie still a chance.
‘Labor View from Broome’
Yes, but it’s fun.
Another thing, JR – if you think calling people “prick” and “dickhead” is “edgy fun”, please stop coming here.
Yep, no worries but do you think GP is so sensitive that a few more of the robust comments mighta cut him to the quick… devasting him to a point that he’d never come back? I don’t think so, but like I said, Tories will shortly be an endangered species and we must care for them as we do the bilby.
Kevin Rennie… my sister lives in Kalgoorlie and is backing Thiel all the way. This is the first election she’s taken an interest in. She thinks Haase will win pretty easily though… and tips the Coalition to scrape back in.
Hey scaper – sorry for taking the bait in the other place – but as Shaun says, sometimes it is fun for light relief.
By the way, did you see I went to the dark side and got a post through on Hackerman. Dirty work but enjoyable…
yeah, and every single one of my posts from _way_ back always include those insults… I’m just gratuitous! the main point of that post was that ‘one of the glen’s was a etc…
I never use bad words. Why would I, when I have such razor sharp wit? 😉
For some of the ‘edgy’ commentators.
http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2007/11/14/gary-kamiya-on-civilised-discussion/
LTEp – “…and tips the Coalition to scrape back in.”
And your sister’s specialist subject is?
William,
Maybe you should have a swear jar for all those that insult. The site would more than pay for itself if everyone who insulted another poster had to put in $1 for every bad word they used. Hell you might become a millionaire.
everyone hear that melbourne will be the biggest city in Oz in a dozen years. yeah, suck it up hicks.
Were not all geniuses piranah. But we always aspire.
At least the new Rudd Government won’t have to worry about a December rate rise.
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/a-closes-stronger/20071114-1a1r.html
#160 Generic Person
[Alexander Downer is one of Australia’s most respected political figures on the world stage.]
LOL! The AWB king! It’s taken me a while to catch on, GO, but I’ve finally twigged. You’re really just parodying Liberal troll stuff, aren’t you?