Polls: Essential Research and Roy Morgan (open thread)

Little change on voting intention in the latest Essential Research poll, but a dip from Labor’s recent highs in Roy Morgan.

Essential Research’s fortnightly voting intention numbers, which include a 5% undecided component, have both Labor and the Coalition down a point on the primary vote, to 33% and 30% respectively, with the Greens steady on 14%, One Nation up one to 6% and the United Australia Party steady on 2%. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure has Labor up one to 53%, the Coalition down one to 42% and undecided steady on 5%. The poll includes has Anthony Albanese’s monthly personal ratings, on which he is down a point on approval to 52% and up one on disapproval to 35%.

Other findings from this fortnight’s survey include strong majority support for six proposed federal government measures to deal with the cost of living, ranging from 77% for electricity and gas price caps to 57% for changing industrial relations laws to make it easier for workers to negotiate pay rises. Fifty-four per cent now rate themselves as financially struggling or worse, up five since March, with 46% rating themselves comfortable or secure, down five. Asked how much impact federal government policies had on the cost of living, 31% chose a lot, 40% a little, 18% not that much and 5% hardly anything.

On climate change, 39% now rate that the government is not doing enough, down four from October and the lowest result this question has yielded going back to 2016, with doing enough up a point to 33% and doing too much up three to 16%. Fifty-one per cent support a national authority to manage the transition to renewable energy with 20% opposed, and 50% support government assessment of greenhouse gas emissions when considering new projects with 20% opposed, but only 34% support ending future coal and gas extraction projects with 35% opposed. Asked whether parliamentary approval should be required for a decision to go to war, the sample split 90-10 in favour of yes. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1133.

Also out yesterday was the latest Roy Morgan result, which had Labor’s two-party lead in from 57-43 to 54.5-45.5 from primary votes of Labor 34.5%, Coalition 34.5% and Greens 13%.

UPDATE: Also out this morning from The Australian is results from Newspoll on the Indigenous voice, which finds 54% in favour and 38% opposed, breaking down to 55-36 in New South Wales, 56-35 in Victoria, 49-43 in Queensland, 51-41 in Western Australia, 60-33 in South Australia and 55-39 in Tasmania. The results are aggregated from three polls conducted since the start of February, but sub-sample sizes are as low as 334 in the case of Tasmania, increasing to 1414 in the case of New South Wales.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  2. Given the recent Aston poll and NSW state election, there is no way the Green vote is 13 or 14% as shown in Morgan and Essential, and the Lib/Nat vote on a par with Labor. Both polls deserve their poor reputations, based on this.

  3. Sohar

    I think the difference is between abstraction and reality.

    Most people don’t pay much attention to politics until they have to.

    Aston et al demonstrates what happens (atm) when they have to.

  4. zoomster@Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:53 am
    “Ken Wyatt interviewed on RN this morning.

    Didn’t quite call the Liberals racist, but certainly said they were ignorant.”

    Someone has found a voice after being a Liberal MP.

  5. south,
    Earlier this morning I provided a link to this article that I thought you may be interested in reading 🙂

    C@tmomma @ #14 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 6:44 am

    south,
    You might be interested to read this article about the Russian fortifications in Crimea (it’s free for you to read, and anyone else who is interested):

    With Ukrainian leaders vowing to retake all of their territory occupied by Russia, Moscow has readied elaborate defenses, especially in Crimea, the peninsula it annexed illegally in 2014, which is now one of the most fortified in the war zone.

    After weeks of digging, the area around the small town of Medvedivka, near a crossing to mainland Ukraine, is webbed with an elaborate trench system stretching several miles. The passages are cut into the earth at angles to give soldiers a broader range of fire. Nearby are other fortifications, including deep ditches designed to trap tanks and heavy vehicles.

    Satellite images provided to The Washington Post by Maxar, a commercial space technology company, show that Russia has built dozens of similar defenses.

    “The Russian military, apparently, understands that Crimea will have to be defended in the near future,” said Ian Matveev, a Russian military analyst.

    https://wapo.st/3UbMREJ

  6. Alpha Zero says:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:50 am
    Have the LNP “Got Enough Detail” now to decide their position???

    Bridget Archer said they did , but you know Spud, his middle name is No.

  7. I was thinking about Trump and the seeming incongruity to Australians that his popularity might increase despite the charges. From my times living in the US, there is a cultural reverence applied to history, famous people and in particular leaders, regardless. Unsurprisingly therefore, supporters and even average Americans are easily seduced, particularly through their education system and myopic media, to applaud and idolise without questioning (even we’re not immune to this through a lack of ability of elements of our population to distinguish situations and people for what and who they really are).

    In Australia though we have a significant cultural difference, we rarely revere, we are cynical of our business leaders and politicians, we even have a name for it, the tall poppy syndrome. Although there are downsides, this cynicism has a tendency to keep us grounded, particularly with regard to personalities.

  8. Ven @ Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:52 am
    “”
    Former Liberal MP Katie Allen writes, “There is no doubt that voting on Saturday was at least in part a tick of approval for Labor’s leadership. Despite being unpopular as an opposition leader, Albanese as prime minister is currently riding high. But the long and inexorable decline of the Liberal vote in Victoria shows the party needs to address its brand issue urgently if it is to turn around its fortunes in Melbourne.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberals-on-the-nose-well-beyond-goat-s-cheese-curtain-20230403-p5cxrb.html

    Back hand compliment of Albanese by a Liberal, who was defeated by a party lead by him.
    Allen, another so-called Moderate Liberal, was defeated by a candidate , who was considered controversial because of her views on COVID. And she was defeated in a seat which elected PMs and Deputy Liberal leaders.”

    Another former Liberal MP has found a voice.

  9. “Put me down for supporting war declarations to be made by a vote of both houses.”

    Not sure about both houses. A decision like this shouldn’t potentially be the subject of upper house crossbench horse-trading. Also – time.

    Lower house is fine, with exceptions for urgent action etc.

  10. C@tmomma,
    Yeah I saw that and have been thinking about Crimea, The best way forward to attack that would be to avoid the beach head assult (hardest type of fighting, can’t really be done anymore). And instead move artillery as close as possible and then to try and move from the western roads to ingress into the peninsula to drive those fleeing out of the country via the remaining bridge.

    It’s going to be a mess. But I don’t think the Russians have the will to fight out a defensive war. The winter stalemate is because the mud and ice is holding both sides back.

  11. Socrates

    “ In the current climate it makes sense for Australia to diversify trade more. In that context India makes sense – hard for any Pacific power to disrupt, no national disputes between us, complimentary economies, and good growth potential. We might also help shift Indian sentiment to being more pro western.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2023-04-05/australia-free-trade-agreement-export-opportunities-india/102171032”
    —————————————————————————

    Agreed, especially in relation to trade and similar (though not the same) political values. It may be that increasing trust through these elements that benefit both countries might even lead to changes in defence philosophies over the longer term. There’s little doubt that a proactive India sharing similar Defence and strategic goals would be a critical element to a more stable Indo-Pacific.


  12. Pueosays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:26 am
    Republic now.

    King Charles’ coronation invite confirms use of title of ‘Queen Camilla’

    Royal coronation invitation realises king’s ambition for title of partner formerly known as Queen Consort

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/04/camilla-to-be-crowned-queen-alongside-king-charles

    What the King wants the King gets. Who is going to stop him from doing that. This is not 1936 when the then King was forced to abdicate because he chose to marry a divorcee.

    Edward VIII became king following the death of his father, George V. He abdicated the throne in order to marry divorcee Wallis Simpson and became known as the Duke of Windsor.

  13. The Morning Eeyore.

    Robert Reich in the Guarfian reminds us, while the Trump circus goes on the GOP decades long playbook of eroding democracy continues. Today, in Wisconsin where the Republicans may incredibly grab a senate supermajority in a state Biden won. And there is an election for a judge. Wisconsin threw out Trumps effort to overturn the election there – but only by a majority of one vote in the full court. He notes that a senate supermajority will allow the republicans to impeach judges.

  14. ‘Arky says:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:01 am

    “Put me down for supporting war declarations to be made by a vote of both houses.”

    Not sure about both houses. A decision like this shouldn’t potentially be the subject of upper house crossbench horse-trading. Also – time.

    Lower house is fine, with exceptions for urgent action etc.’
    —————————————
    If we are attacked then the declaration of war would be a formality. If we propose to start a war the more difficult we make it to do so the better, IMO.


  15. Confessionssays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 7:18 am
    The Liberal party logo even looks like something that belongs in the 1980s!

    All those companies except Liberal party cease to exist because they could not adapt to future requirements.

  16. Media mogul Rupert Murdoch and Ann Lesley Smith have called off their engagement, two media outlets have reported.

    I guess Rupert was having problems with the little blue pills

  17. south,
    By the look of the trenches, the Russians believe that Ukraine will try the shortest route to Crimea. However, I wouldn’t rule out the path they took to the Kerch Bridge, via Berdyansk maybe? I believe Ukraine has Amphibious vehicles.

    I also noticed that Russia has those Dragons Teeth that go only so far. You’d think that the Ukrainian tanks would just decide to go around them?

    I also think that the Dragons Teeth could have holes blown in them relatively easily.

  18. There was a guy in a banana suit, and another in a witch’s hat, and the Naked Cowboy, a well-known New York City fixture who plays the guitar to tourists in Times Square while wearing underpants, also showed up. He sang a song in support of Trump, which had lyrics about building a wall.

    It wasn’t exactly the scene Trump had promised. The former president had said “death and destruction” would follow his arrest, not tropical fruit and Y-fronts.

    But Trump, as he frequently says, is not a normal politician. Perhaps this atypical, chaotic, blundering show of support was, ultimately, appropriate.

  19. Cronus @ #59 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 8:57 am

    From my times living in the US, there is a cultural reverence applied to history, famous people and in particular leaders, regardless.

    I’ve only been to the US once (to work for a stint) so you should take this with a grain of salt – but my view is that life is tough in the US. Very tough. It is much tougher on the ground for most Americans than Australians probably realize.

    The US is not a”land of opportunity” except by comparison with the worst alternatives in the world. It is, for many Americans, a land of poor education, exploitation, inequity, inequality, crime, poverty and fear.

    I looked forward to going but I was glad to leave and would never voluntarily go back. Just the warnings I got from my employer on arrival were sufficient to spoil any enjoyment I might have had during my time there. And one of those warnings was about the police.

    The US makes Australia look like paradise on earth.

    But perhaps this makes Americans overly impressed by those who have “made it”. The fact that they made it on the back of wealthy and often outright criminal families doesn’t seem to matter. They were tough enough to beat a terrible system, and therefore deserve respect.


  20. Player Onesays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:45 am
    BK @ #16 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 6:50 am

    At the last election, the Labor Party adopted a climate policy of “Swimming between the Flags”. This resulted in electoral success, but it represented an unthinkable future for humanity, complains David Shearman.
    https://johnmenadue.com/swimming-between-the-flags-on-climate-policy-threatens-our-future/

    Good article. But …
    ……….
    …..
    Given the projected increases in emissions in the short term, which may not plateau till this decade’s end, and then remain high, the world is not within co-ee of keeping warming to 1.5 degrees (or even 2 degrees), and talk of 1.5 degrees is really about scenarios that involve significant overshoot and then trying to cool back to 1.5 degrees by century’s end.”

    The climate change genie is out of the ‘keeping earth safe from devastation’ bottle and there is no way to put it back in the bottle to cool back to 1.5 degrees by
    century’s end.”
    USA releases 25% of carbon emissions and Biden is an establishment politician, who is fighting ‘back against the wall’ situation when it comes to HOR and Supreme Court. He will do anything in his power to overcome the situation
    In the process if the climate change situation worsens that is what it is.
    The solution is based on politics and not on facts and science because the solution has to be implemented by politicians. With governing party in US and Australia facing hostile opposition and media any deviation from script will result in lose of power and further degradation of Climate change solution because the opposition doesn’t believe in Climate change.
    When it comes to UK, the Tories are facing an existential threat to their party and country. So don’t give shit about Climate change. That is the situation in AUKUS countries whether you like it or not.


  21. PaulTusays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:51 am
    Turned on the TV and it is moment by moment coverage of Trump’s plane landing back in Florida. Why?

    Mary Trump castigated media in a tweet for that coverage .


  22. Griffsays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:55 am
    zoomster@Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:53 am
    “Ken Wyatt interviewed on RN this morning.

    Didn’t quite call the Liberals racist, but certainly said they were ignorant.”

    Someone has found a voice after being a Liberal MP.

    Someone found a voice after they became free from the clutches of Liberal party.

  23. Fortunately neither Xi nor Modi have to worry about opposition when it comes to cranking up their CO2 emissions.
    They just do it.

  24. Lars – any foreign interest in residential property (not just ownership) has to be approved by the Foreign Investment Review Board. My understanding is the FIRB basically will not approve foreign owners to buy existing housing; they may approve acquiring a new property as part of a development that increases housing for Australians overall.

    My recollection of the stats is that complaints about house prices being driven up foreign owners buying and leaving empty residential properties in Australia (almost invariably singling out Chinese owners, in my experience) were pretty far off base and it’s a relatively small number in the scheme of things, often barking up the wrong tree by failing to realise that the foreign-ethnicity buyer is actually an Australian citizen.

    (Googled and found this Guardian article for example:
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/08/more-than-80-of-australians-mistakenly-believe-chinese-investors-are-driving-up-house-prices)

  25. RP @ #77 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 9:44 am

    Definitely agree with Chris Barrie on this.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/05/former-adf-chief-calls-for-release-of-secret-report-into-security-threat-posed-by-climate-crisis

    I don’t think we need to see the report to realize we are not likely to ever be in a position to cope with the most dangerous and imminent threat to our national security.

    So instead we enter into imaginary alliances, demonize imaginary enemies and buy imaginary submarines.

  26. William Bowe says:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:26 am
    Addendum to the post:

    Also out this morning from The Australian is results from the weekend’s Newspoll on the Indigenous voice, which finds 54% in favour and 38% opposed, breaking down to 55-36 in New South Wales, 56-35 in Victoria, 49-43 in Queensland, 51-41 in Western Australia, 60-33 in South Australia and 55-39, with due caution for small sample sizes in the smaller states especially.
    ————————————————————————————

    And on behalf of decent Queenslanders I apologise both for our backwardness and apparently, inherent racism. I’m tired of being embarrassed by my state.

  27. “I don’t think we need to see the report to realize we are not likely to ever be in a position to cope with the most dangerous and imminent threat to our national security.

    So instead we enter into imaginary alliances, demonize imaginary enemies and buy imaginary submarines.”

    Nicely put.

    The powers that be need our attention distracted, and they are good at what they do.


  28. Boerwarsays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:40 am
    Fortunately neither Xi nor Modi have to worry about opposition when it comes to cranking up their CO2 emissions.
    They just do it.

    And yet India is 8th in the world on the Climate change performance index where the first 3 positions are vacant.

    https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1884764#:~:text=The%20Climate%20Change%20Performance%20Index,i.e%201%2D3%20are%20vacant.

    https://www.drishtiias.com/daily-updates/daily-news-analysis/climate-change-performance-index-2023#:~:text=India's%20rank%20is%20the%20best,Climate%20Policy%20and%20Renewable%20Energy.

    The first three overall positions therefore remain empty.
    Denmark, Sweden, Chile and Morocco were the only four small countries that were ranked above India as 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th respectively.
    The ranking given by CCPI places India as the only G-20 country in the top 10 rankers.
    The United Kingdom ranked 11th in CCPI 2023.
    China falls ranked 51st in CCPI 2023 and received an overall very low rating.
    The United States (US) rises three ranks to 52nd that’s still overall very low rating.
    The Islamic Republic of Iran ranked 63rd, hence, placing it last in the CCPI 2023.
    India’s Status:
    Performance:
    India-+ has been ranked amongst top 5 countries in the world, and the best among the G20 countries.
    India’s rank is the best amongst all large economies.
    India earns a high rating in the GHG Emissions and Energy Use categories, with a medium for Climate Policy and Renewable Energy.

  29. This week has been a good week for the cogwheels of law and justice, with Malka Leifer and Jarryd Hayne being both found guilty. Is either likely to get acquitted on appeal?

    All eyes are on how the Liberal Party publicises their Voice to Parliament position. It appears that they will either officially support “no” or allow a conscience vote. Perhaps they may do both. Will the newspapers publish an endorsement for either side?

  30. A squad of Australian scientists and engineers will be the first to establish contact with the astronauts undertaking the most significant space mission of this century once the Orion space capsule blasts off from Florida and begins Artemis II, the first crewed lunar mission since 1972.

    Tidbinbilla (Canberra Deep Space Communications Complex) is cool, but it was Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station that supported the Apollo missions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeysuckle_Creek_Tracking_Station

    Unlike Apollo 8 which completed 10 orbits of the Moon, Artemis II is a dingo’s breakfast (insert definition here) – equivalent to Apollo 13.

    Reinventing the Moon mission with the orange and white elephant that is SLS is farcical.
    Relying on Elon Musk for a landing is even worse…

    Godspeed.

  31. Player One @ #72 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 9:24 am

    Cronus @ #59 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 8:57 am

    From my times living in the US, there is a cultural reverence applied to history, famous people and in particular leaders, regardless.

    I’ve only been to the US once (to work for a stint) so you should take this with a grain of salt – but my view is that life is tough in the US. Very tough. It is much tougher on the ground for most Americans than Australians probably realize.

    The US is not a”land of opportunity” except by comparison with the worst alternatives in the world. It is, for many Americans, a land of poor education, exploitation, inequity, inequality, crime, poverty and fear.

    I looked forward to going but I was glad to leave and would never voluntarily go back. Just the warnings I got from my employer on arrival were sufficient to spoil any enjoyment I might have had during my time there. And one of those warnings was about the police.

    The US makes Australia look like paradise on earth.

    But perhaps this makes Americans overly impressed by those who have “made it”. The fact that they made it on the back of wealthy and often outright criminal families doesn’t seem to matter. They were tough enough to beat a terrible system, and therefore deserve respect.

    Insight I agree with, I found the same from my time there. Example after example after example of how the system in the USA grinds down its citizens. I hated the cities and loved the countryside.

    I asked person after person for their experiences or story as to why they were where they were. From older folk waiting to die in their caravan on the side of the road, living in non-incorporated towns that had zero services as that was all they could afford, working for 30 years at MacDonald’s and counting their blessings that they’d had such an opportunity, losing their house so they could pay for the birth of their child, living in a humpy because the bank had foreclosed, the segregation of their population by ethnic background at every level, only being able to afford rent because of the tips they received, university grades going up when they changed their name from their first nations name to a white persons name, jobs lost when sick leave ran out, the drugged people lining the streets and people just stepping over them, city parks with literally a thousand people living in tents, the heartfelt “stay safe” every time you interacted with a person because they knew safety was not a guarantee, well paid workers living in camper vans in the street because property was out of reach, people wondering how they’d see their families on the other side of the country because they only get 2 weeks annual leave a year.

    I was never happier that I lived in Australian than when I spent time in the USA.

  32. And on behalf of decent Queenslanders I apologise both for our backwardness and apparently, inherent racism. I’m tired of being embarrassed by my state.

    🙂 On the bright side, they’re second only to Tasmania in embracing “no religion” in the Census.


  33. MelbourneMammothsays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:17 am
    This week has been a good week for the cogwheels of law and justice, MelbourneMammothsays:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 10:17 am
    This week has been a good week for the cogwheels of law and justice, with Malka Leifer and Jarryd Hayne being both found guilty. Is either likely to get acquitted on appeal?

    All eyes are on how the Liberal Party publicises their Voice to Parliament position. It appears that they will either officially support “no” or allow a conscience vote. Perhaps they may do both. Will the newspapers publish an endorsement for either side? being both found guilty. Is either likely to get acquitted on appeal?

    All eyes are on how the Liberal Party publicises their Voice to Parliament position. It appears that they will either officially support “no” or allow a conscience vote. Perhaps they may do both. Will the newspapers publish an endorsement for either side?

    How do Liberal party politicians avoid ‘the cogwheels of law and justice’?

  34. Belated thanks, BK.

    Australia’s top-selling utes are among the most expensive and polluting vehicles to run and their popularity means transport emissions are projected to remain high as manufacturers funnel their least efficient models to the Australian market due to a lack of fuel efficiency standards, reports Elias Visontay.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/05/australias-high-polluting-utes-spark-calls-to-change-fuel-efficiency-laws
    ____________

    3 years ago, Ms Snappy and I bought a (new) Toyota Camry Hybrid. 2.5 litre petrol engine partnered with an electric motor. We get 5 litres/100km economy.

    The real bonus for us is the “torque-iness” of the power train. We used to drive a RAV4 manual with 2.4 litre engine – the Camry Hybrid craps on it for acceleration, especially from low revs. For several years Toyota have been selling RAV4 Hybrids with the same power train as the Camry Hybrid.

    The 2.5 litre hybrid power train might do well in a ute. If more grunt needed, how about the 3.5 litre hybrid Toyota put into some Lexi?

    It would boost Toyota’s climate change credentials, as 1) they seem to be struggling getting an EV ready; and 2) I’ve heard they’re lobbying to keep ICE car sales permitted ’cause they’re good at hybrids.

  35. Player One says:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:24 am
    Cronus @ #59 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 8:57 am

    From my times living in the US, there is a cultural reverence applied to history, famous people and in particular leaders, regardless.
    I’ve only been to the US once (to work for a stint) so you should take this with a grain of salt – but my view is that life is tough in the US. Very tough. It is much tougher on the ground for most Americans than Australians probably realize.

    The US is not a”land of opportunity” except by comparison with the worst alternatives in the world. It is, for many Americans, a land of poor education, exploitation, inequity, inequality, crime, poverty and fear.

    I looked forward to going but I was glad to leave and would never voluntarily go back. Just the warnings I got from my employer on arrival were sufficient to spoil any enjoyment I might have had during my time there. And one of those warnings was about the police.

    The US makes Australia look like paradise on earth.

    But perhaps this makes Americans overly impressed by those who have “made it”. The fact that they made it on the back of wealthy and often outright criminal families doesn’t seem to matter. They were tough enough to beat a terrible system, and therefore deserve respect.
    ——————————————————————————-

    The US, through Hollywood, psychologically turned myth into reality, many believe their own marketing. I agree about the poverty, I lived on both coasts (not too bad economically though patchy) and the mid-West and travelled extensively through almost 40 states.

    The disparity between rich and poor in the US is larger than in Australia and the size of their middle class is shrinking at a much faster rate. The reality busts the myth wide open and in the land of super heroes MAGA supporters somehow managed to convince themselves that Trump is the saviour.

  36. Ven – the REAL power in this country is the Murdoch-Rag Media. It’s easy to avoid the cogwheels of law and justice if you have friends amongst them, as many Liberal party politicians do.

    Also I wonder had Leifer and Hayne not been in minorities themselves but were white Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christians, whether their misdeeds would have gone unpunished.

  37. Cronus @ #81 Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 – 10:04 am

    William Bowe says:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:26 am
    Addendum to the post:

    Also out this morning from The Australian is results from the weekend’s Newspoll on the Indigenous voice, which finds 54% in favour and 38% opposed, breaking down to 55-36 in New South Wales, 56-35 in Victoria, 49-43 in Queensland, 51-41 in Western Australia, 60-33 in South Australia and 55-39, with due caution for small sample sizes in the smaller states especially.
    ————————————————————————————

    And on behalf of decent Queenslanders I apologise both for our backwardness and apparently, inherent racism. I’m tired of being embarrassed by my state.

    Lived there for 16 years, got culture shock right up until we left last year to move back to Tasmania. I always put it down to being a provincial hick from the south, but I came to understand that the Overton Window is a meaningful lens to view the differences through.

    I believe that the initial colonization practices of the British in Australia played a significant role in shaping the current mindset of Queensland. However, I also believe that the internal migration patterns over the past 50 years have contributed just as much to Queenslanders current political and cultural views.

  38. Socrates says:
    Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 6:57 am

    Morning all. Cronus you can add me to the 90% wanting war decisions voted on in parliament. Considering how well Iraq and Afghanistan turned out.

    In the current climate it makes sense for Australia to diversify trade more. In that context India makes sense – hard for any Pacific power to disrupt, no national disputes between us, complimentary economies, and good growth potential. We might also help shift Indian sentiment to being more pro western.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2023-04-05/australia-free-trade-agreement-export-opportunities-india/102171032
    ____________

    Also, both countries speak Cricket. Not to be underestimated.

  39. My eldest son actually lives in the US right now and he’s doing just fine. He’s entrepreneurial by nature and so when he got there he found a lot of like-minded individuals that were prepared to encourage him and the business he set up. I guess it depends on the sort of mindset you go there with.

  40. Trump’s address is basically the same incoherent ramble that he has been making since the last election. It is not designed to convert anyone to his cause, just to maintain his existing base.
    Surely ABC24 should be having a discussion about something else instead of showing this crap.

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