Roy Morgan put out its now regular fortnightly poll of federal voting intention yesterday, which has Labor’s two-party lead at 52.5-47.5, down from 54.5-45.5 on a fortnight ago and its narrowest result in two months. On the primary vote, the Coalition is up one to 38.5% (I believe the Morgan release is incorrect when it puts it at 39.5%, which would be up by two and is different from the headline), Labor is down three-and-a-half to 35%, the Greens are up one-and-a-half to 13% and One Nation is steady on 3%.
The state two-party breakdowns have Labor leading 54-46 in New South Wales (out from 53-47 in the last poll, and a swing of around 6% compared with the 2019 election), 57-43 in Victoria (in from 59.5-40.5, a swing of around 4%) 51.5-48.5 in South Australia (in from 57.5-42.5, a swing of around 1%) and 55.5-44.5 in Tasmania (in from 63.5-36.5, a slight swing to the Liberals), while the Coalition leads 54-46 in Queensland (out from 53.5-46.5, a swing to Labor of around 4.5%) and 53-47 in Western Australia (out from 51-49, a swing of around 2.5% — and the Coalition’s best data point from this state all year). The poll was conducted online and by phone over the last two weekends from a sample of 2753.
Also out today was the regular Essential Research survey, containing neither voting intention nor leadership ratings on this occasion. The regular results on federal and state governments’ handling of COVID-19 is included as always, which record improvement for both the federal government and the governments of New South Wales and Victoria. The federal government’s good rating is up four to 43% and its poor rating is down one to 35%; the New South Wales government’s good rating is up six to 46%; and the Victorian government’s good rating is up six to 50%. For the other states with their small sample sizes, Queensland’s good rating is down two to 65%, Western Australia’s is up nine to 87% and South Australia’s is down nine to 67%.
Further questions from the survey suggest Western Australians and to a lesser extent Queenslanders are firmly of the view that states without outbreaks should be able to keep their borders closed for as long as they think necessary (67% and 55% respectively), but that only a minority of those in New South Wales and Victoria do so (28% and 31%). Interestingly though, only 26% of all respondents said they understood and had confidence in the plan specifically attributed to Scott Morrison, while 39% said they understood it and didn’t have confidence in it. The Essential Research poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1100.
Note also that today is the day of California’s gubernatorial recall election, on which Adrian Beaumont will provide live updates in the post below.
How good are submarines at fighting bushfires? (sarc)
guytaur
I haven’t said anything is strange.
N
This has nothing to do with the Greens. This is the LNP shafting democracy and blackmailing Labor going along with it. Every Labor member that opposes nuclear including luminaries like Paul Keating have been royally f***ed by this process of decision making.
I don’t blame Labor. To make a decision this significant in a democracy you get to debate before these announcements are made.
The Liberals have always seen Australia as a humble client of the US. We really are pathetic.
The UK is trying to re-invent the Empire….a venture that is inspired by the archaic and which will fail. The UK has not had a military imperial reach in this part of the world since 1942.
This is an idiotic alliance.
GG
I thought it was Bojo who got Morrison’s name wrong
Zoomster
I have. The timing of bringing up the shadow ministers thing is suspect today.
Been There @ #698 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 7:59 am
Please stop referring to me and the Liberal mole in the same post.
It really gives me the shits.
Proven history?
What the fuck is that?
guytaur
‘No doubt BW will be telling us how in a democracy the Greens mounting legitimate criticism is unpatriotic.’
What legitimate criticism are you referring to?
lizzie,
Morrison is an actor who is playing the part of being Prime Minister. In the real world he is doing a poor job.
guytaur
‘The timing of bringing up the shadow ministers thing is suspect today.’
Follow the thread. It’s in context.
Zoomster
Opposition to nuclear powered ships and submarines. A position Labor has had too.
‘The guy down under ‘ did look like a rabbit in the headlights, stammering his way through his presentation, before finishing with a grin.
Morrison did say the nuclear powered subs would be built in Adelaide – whilst Biden said there would 18 months of detailed planning to work all that stuff out. Who to believe?
mundo says:
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Fuck off Freedunk you moron.
That is no way to talk to someone that only has admiration for your skill set.
Victoria
Look at the video I posted.
Zoomster
I was not talking about pollbludger. I was talking about it being dragged up at all. Twitter was the culprit this time.
guytaur @ #242 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 8:02 am
So you can read people’s minds from the Inner City of Sydney, guytaur?
And it’s an entirely legitimate point to make because mundo was trying to make out he should only criticise Labor, whereas zoomster correctly pointed out that The Greens, with their Shadow Ministers, also consider themselves an alternative government, because only governments have Ministers and only alternative governments have Shadow Ministers.
Vic
Biden didn’t remember his name at all.
BoJo got it half right, referring to “Prime Minister Morris…”
< guytaur says:
Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 8:01 am
N
This has nothing to do with the Greens.
Too true. The LNP have decided this all by themselves. The Greens should take note of their absolute irrelevance and cease their campaign support of the LNP. This is the reward they get for all their years of colluding to defeat Labor: the very opposite of the things they claim to want. I blame the LNP and all their colleagues, reserves, tributaries, delegates, proxies, auxiliaries and surrogates, most particularly including the Greens.
Albanese/ALP should be reminding the Australian people of the billions of dollars wasted on the French submarine deal, more debt and deficit from the self appointed “Adults”
This is where Labor needs a good Attack Dog politician.
guytaur
‘Opposition to nuclear powered ships and submarines. A position Labor has had too.’
No one has mentioned this.
We’re not mind readers. If you don’t make it clear what you’re talking about, especially when the subject hasn’t been raised by someone else, then you’re going to be misunderstood.
sprocket_ @ #248 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 8:04 am
Has anyone asked South Australians whether they are okay with that?
Cat
Your blind partisanship is showing.
It was not pollbludger and not Mundo that brought the shadow minister thing up.
sprocket_ says:
Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 8:04 am
‘The guy down under ‘ did look like a rabbit in the headlights, stammering his way through his presentation, before finishing with a grin.
Morrison did say the nuclear powered subs would be built in Adelaide – whilst Biden said there would 18 months of detailed planning to work all that stuff out. Who to believe?
Probable the guy who wasn’t being taken in by the sales pitch. God this government is full of dills.
“ Earlwood,
Still an apologist for China I see. Get to the back of the bus with Zerlo!”
What a self proven fool you are.
I’m clearly not an apologist. ‘Get in the back do the bus’ … geez.
What next? ‘all the way with …’
Send me a white feather?
For a comrade you do a good impersonation of a Belgravia matron, circa 1914.
This is about Australia’s independence. It’s safety. It’s about the promotion of our national interests via genuine multilateral institutions- not dangerous blocs.
In essence I’m defending Laborism. Everything about our post war movement.
YOU on the other hand – have signed onto the xenophobic neo colonial 19th century brigade. A Redux only with nuclear weapons. Aligned with a dying deluded superpower (and an ex colonial power that is absolutely hated in our region). that’s lost every conflict of significance in the past 75 years. A country that is only half a step away from another run at Trumianiam.
What could possibly go wrong?
For shame.
sprocket_ @ #253 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 8:07 am
This guy? 😀
GG,
You reposted the Mr Ed image; I assume you meant to post this:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1438250398033326087
Poor Cameron @ #719 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 8:07 am
Stop being a Liberal troll!!
I won’t stand for it.
I won’t!!
Labor has a good attack dog politician. Albo fights tories. Everyone knows that.
I mean pay attention will you.
As I posted earlier it will be interesting to see how this announcement will affect the thousands of direct and indirect jobs currently committed to the sub programme in Adelaide.
If the current deal is going to be scrapped and nothing to take its place for at least 18 months what happens to the jobs in Adelaide.
Was the SA government informed ?
Watch it Poor Cameron!
Watch it!
You will be put in the same can as Mundo by this mob.
Reality Checks are not good currency around here.
guytaur
So you come here and criticise us for something that no one here said?
Wow.
guytaur @ #722 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 8:08 am
Thank you.
An alliance with the UK? They have lost their minds.
GG/sprocket
Thanks for clarificatiom
@JamusB tweets
When did @ScottMorrisonMP and the #LNP seek a mandate from the people for nuclear powered submarines?
Asking for 26 million+ friends.
Next they’ll be announcing the construction of nuclear power plants!
#auspol
#Australia
#aukus
If this occurs, the South Australian impact is minimal. All the Coalition potentially lose is Boothby and the ASC isn’t in that electorate so a loss isn’t guaranteed.
It is now obvious what the election is going to be fought over – borders, international borders (China). A country of 26m is going to go up against a country of 1.3b – it ain’t going to end well for us.
Sky after dark are going to have a field day with Biden forgetting Morrison name
Good morning Dawn Patrollers. It’s late, but it’s a monster!
For SA this is potentially HUGE news! The French submarine contract will be torn up and we will be getting nuclear submarines. What a Coalition f**kup! This pathetic submarine saga is deserving of a royal commission.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/ministers-granted-border-exemptions-to-attend-urgent-meeting-in-canberra-20210915-p58rzn.html
The Adelaide Advertiser tells us that a new fleet of nuclear-powered submarines will be built in Adelaide as part of an Australia, US and UK defence and security alliance. Let’s hope so!
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/adelaide-submarines-deal-link-tipped-in-mystery-biden-announcement/news-story/08732a6aceb3da1aa338394c2693930f
Niki Savva has a good look at the efforts of independents to oust sitting Liberal MPs. She explains how it represents a clear danger to Morrison’s efforts to remain in power.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/fresh-voices-rise-in-liberal-heartland-20210915-p58rqh.html
Christian Porter could be forced to repay anonymous donations for his legal fees or declare the donors’ identities after the Prime Minister requested advice over whether he breached ministerial standards by accepting payments through a blind trust, write Lisa Visentin and Rob Harris.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-lashes-porter-s-blind-trust-declaration-over-legal-fees-20210915-p58rrj.html
And David Speers says the blind trust donation raises many questions for Christian Porter — and Scott Morrison.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/christian-porter-blind-trust-legal-bills/100464856
Christian Porter’s ministerial future is again on the line, with Scott Morrison seeking advice on whether his receiving money for his legal bills from a “blind trust” breaches the ministerial standards code, writes Michelle Grattan.
https://theconversation.com/christian-porters-ministerial-future-on-the-line-as-morrison-seeks-advice-on-blind-trust-168011
A mystery donation towards Christian Porter’s recent legal fees is drawing speculation over the total amount and the source of the money, writes Andrew P Street.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/honest-christian-porters-mystery-donation-is-totally-not-suspicious,15519
Christian Porter has the right to remain silent. But the PM must show leadership, writes Richard Denniss.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2021/09/16/christian-porter-richard-denniss/
The Australian’s Richard Ferguson reckons Porter will have to step away from the front bench over it.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/scott-morrison-to-probe-whether-christian-porters-legal-blind-trust-meets-ministerial-standards/news-story/3a7d6b57faf533e03eb4cffb80c119bd
Christian Porter is beholden to a mystery benefactor. Hidden money is terrible for democracy, says Hugh Rimmington.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/15/christian-porter-is-beholden-to-a-mystery-benefactor-hidden-money-is-terrible-for-democracy
Labor and the Greens need to sober up, writes Chris Wallace who says the next election is far from in the bag. He concludes the article with, “The Greens would do well to consider the consequences of destructive rather than constructive competition against Labor. If tactics like its “shadow minister” announcement help re-elect the Morrison government at the coming poll, climate policy will remain stuck for another three years.”
https://theconversation.com/labor-and-the-greens-need-to-sober-up-the-next-election-is-far-from-in-the-bag-167972
Michael Pascoe says that boasting about incompetence is a new government low. Read it and weep!
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/09/16/michael-pascoe-government-incompetence/
Our democracy is decaying from within, writes John Menadue who says we need a summit of community leaders to help chart democratic renewal.
https://johnmenadue.com/john-menadue-our-democracy-is-decaying-from-within/
John Lord explores which major political party is more qualified to embrace urgent change.
https://theaimn.com/which-major-political-party-is-more-qualified-to-embrace-urgent-change/
Mark Buckley reckons our ‘accidental prime minister’ is making it up as he goes.
https://johnmenadue.com/the-accidental-prime-minister-is-making-it-up-as-he-goes/
According to Shane Wright, Josh Frydenberg has opened the door to a formal inquiry into the Reserve Bank as experts urge the government to make any review as broad-based as possible to avoid a repeat of monetary policy mistakes made before the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/josh-frydenberg-will-consider-reserve-bank-review-after-oecd-recommendation-20210915-p58rrs.html
Australia’s house prices are disconnected from reality – and the RBA wants you to know it isn’t to blame, says Greg Jericho.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/sep/16/australias-house-prices-are-disconnected-from-reality-and-the-rba-wants-you-to-know-it-isnt-to-blame
Jennifer Hewett says that Morrison can no longer detour around a new 2030 emission target.
https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/morrison-can-no-longer-detour-around-a-new-2030-emission-target-20210915-p58ry1
So concerned are some ministers they’re convinced Berejiklian’s demise could be weeks away. Their apprehension may well be premature, but Gladys Berejiklian is viewed as being increasingly isolated from much of her ministry, writes Alexandra Smith.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/why-some-libs-sniff-an-early-exit-for-berejiklian-but-why-the-timing-is-likely-hers-to-choose-20210914-p58rn2.html
The Labor and Liberal parties must work harder to field candidates who better represent the ethnic origins of Australians. Urges the SMH editorial.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-parliament-still-falls-short-on-ethnic-diversity-20210915-p58rwy.html
Chair of International Law at the University of Sydney, Ben Saul, explains why 80 human rights experts object to the new Human Rights Commissioner’s appointment. He gives the lovely Michaelia Cash a good serve.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/why-80-human-rights-experts-object-to-commissioner-s-appointment-20210915-p58rre.html
Shane Wright says there are indications that the work-from-home revolution started by COVID-19 lockdowns will not end once the pandemic is over, with workers saving time and money by not going into the office.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/we-re-never-leaving-the-home-office-pandemic-offers-end-to-commute-20210915-p58rs8.html
Ehssan Veiszadeh is looking forward to “freedom” but argues for keeping vaccination passports indefinitely. She makes sense when she says, “It simply cannot be left to businesses to navigate the legal minefield when it comes to keeping their workers and customers safe.”
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/bring-on-freedom-but-keep-vaccine-passports-indefinitely-20210915-p58rvc.html
Cases have risen in the two LGAs with the worst vaccination rates in Sydney this month, as health experts express concern about younger people struggling to book Pfizer shots.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/we-are-not-an-lga-of-anti-vaxxers-sydney-and-randwick-fall-behind-20210915-p58rr5.html
And the SMH tells us that an email sent to Western Sydney Local Health District staff said almost 2000 district staff members had not received a single inoculation.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/future-of-health-workers-uncertain-as-thousands-remain-unvaccinated-ahead-of-deadline-20210915-p58rw5.html
This registered nurse writes on why she rejects the health union’s defence of aged care staff who will fail to meet Friday’s deadline to be vaccinated. She condemns the unvaccinated as “selfish”.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/as-a-nurse-i-condemn-vaccine-resistance-among-aged-care-staff-it-s-selfish-20210915-p58rq8.html
Business owners vowing to ignore the New South Wales government’s push to require people to be fully vaccinated to enter shops, bars or restaurants are unlikely to find the law on their side, an expert says.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/16/solid-legal-basis-for-nsw-vaccine-mandates-to-enter-businesses-expert-says
James Ried tells us why Victoria is still months from its COVID-19 peak.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2021/09/15/why-victoria-still-months-away-covid-19-peak/
Stephen Duckett, Anika Stobart and Jordana Hunter suggest what should be in Victoria’s school reopening plan.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/what-should-be-in-victoria-s-school-reopening-plan-20210914-p58rmc.html
Aaron Patrick reckons that rushing towards freedom, Berejiklian risks a western Sydney outbreak.
https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/rushing-towards-freedom-berejiklian-risks-a-western-sydney-outbreak-20210915-p58rsw
Is sexist bullying confined to Twitter users or the exclusive domain of the Left? Michelle Pini considers Leigh Sales’ recent calling out of so-called Leftist Twitter users.
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/sales-gillard-and-the-left-leaning-twitter-bully,15523
Paul Starick writes that SA Premier Steven Marshall is facing a major challenge to keep his party united just six months from an election, as three Liberal backbenchers are at risk of jumping ship.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/steven-marshall-facing-a-triple-threat-as-three-rebel-mps-ponder-defecting-from-the-liberal-party/news-story/014a038dc9875b67fd9153659b3e02cf
Peta Credlin begins this contribution with, “If the federal government can have royal commissions into aged care, disability care, bushfires, veteran suicides and youth detention in the Northern Territory, you have to ask why it has not yet foreshadowed a full national inquiry into the biggest crisis in two generations, one that has resulted in more than 1000 deaths, the biggest expansion of government in peacetime and unprecedented restrictions on our freedom.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-no-inquiry-into-managing-covid/news-story/5330e50d5d4174ff51704deb8af83070
Emma Koehn and Nick Bonyhady tell us that some of Australia’s largest employers are working to ink final policies on mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, including what can be done with employees who have medical exemptions.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/case-by-case-basis-big-business-sets-rules-for-mandatory-staff-vaccines-20210915-p58rs4.html
Covid has shown again that Sydney’s welfare comes first – and only then the rest of NSW, complains Tamworth’s Tom Plevey.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/16/covid-has-shown-again-that-sydneys-welfare-comes-first-and-only-then-the-rest-of-nsw
Gail Matthews tells us that we are much less likely to get long COVID if we have been vaccinated.
https://theconversation.com/youre-much-less-likely-to-get-long-covid-if-youve-been-vaccinated-167189
The alarmingly low rates have sparked concern from Australian Open organisers as the Andrews government discusses mandatory COVID-19 shots for major event workers.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/low-vaccination-rates-in-security-staff-cast-shadow-over-summer-of-sport-20210915-p58rts.html
Rachel Clun reports that lawyers for Australia’s medical regulator have written to former Liberal MP Craig Kelly claiming he has breached their copyright and demanding the United Australia Party and Mr Kelly stop distributing information on COVID-19 vaccines, which the TGA said could be misleading.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-s-medical-regulator-accuses-craig-kelly-of-copyright-breach-20210915-p58rwo.html
According to The Age, religious schools in Victoria will be prohibited from sacking or refusing to employ teachers because of their sexuality or gender identity under sweeping social reforms proposed by the Andrews government. This will ruffle a few righteous feathers and put some focus on the still unseen federal religious discrimination legislation.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/religious-schools-in-victoria-to-lose-the-right-to-sack-lgbtq-staff-20210915-p58rx5.html
A string of councils getting car parks under the federal government’s controversial commuter car park fund weren’t consulted about the projects until after they were announced, even though the original plan was for Commonwealth money to be matched by local or state funding, reports Katina Curtis and Shane Wright.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/government-consulted-councils-months-after-announcing-commuter-car-parks-in-their-patch-20210915-p58rur.html
Christopher Knaus reports that a wealthy Pentecostal church was handed $660,000 in Jobkeeper payments and later posted a 3620% increase in profit and a $1.2m increase in revenue. Hardly surprising, given that cult’s pre-occupation with wealth.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/16/pentecostal-church-given-660000-in-jobkeeper-then-returns-3620-increase-in-profit
We have every reason to expect that Scott Morrison, as a professing Christian in a Bible-believing church, should exemplify the moral teachings of Jesus Christ, but that’s not the way the church game is played, explains ordained minister Roderick St George.
https://johnmenadue.com/what-scott-morrisons-really-saying-by-aligning-with-pentecostals/
Tim Smith is in line to be Victoria’s Attorney-General if Matthew Guy wins the election. The trouble is that Smith isn’t a lawyer, writes Duncan Fine, himself a lawyer. He says Smith is variously seen as either a brilliant political brawler or an arrogant Trumpian fool.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/attorney-general-a-job-for-legal-expertise-not-political-head-kicking-20210915-p58rrt.html
In its recent ruling the High Court decreed publishers have responsibility for comments made on their Facebook pages. In the absence of a 21st century legal framework covering this newfangled thing called the Internet, the Court’s reasoning for the ruling refers in part to case-law dating back to the 19th century. Kim Wingerei reports.
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/high-court-ruling-on-facebook-comments-shows-just-how-far-behind-our-media-regulation-is/
Matthew Elmas reports that Members Equity (ME) Bank has been hit with 62 criminal charges over allegations it made false and misleading claims to home loan customers and faces a maximum fine of $94.3 million.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/09/15/me-bank-asic/
China is responsible for more than two-thirds of state-sponsored cyber-attacks around the world, according to new research, as foreign governments are increasingly blending their capabilities with criminal networks to hide their identity. Anthony Galloway reports.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/china-responsible-for-two-thirds-of-state-sponsored-cyber-attacks-20210915-p58rt2.html
Stephen Bartholomeusz examines the teetering state of sections of the heavily indebted Chinese economy.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/china-s-latest-challenge-the-world-s-most-indebted-company-is-teetering-20210915-p58rtq.html
Californian Governor Gavin Newsom has become the second governor in US history to defeat a recall aimed at kicking him out of office early, a contest the Democratic governor crafted as part of a national battle for his party’s values in the face of the coronavirus pandemic and lingering threats from “Trumpism”.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/republican-push-for-california-fails-leaves-newsom-in-office-20210915-p58rvt.html
Republicans overplayed their hand in California – and Democrats are laughing, writes Lloyd Green.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/15/california-recall-republicans-larry-elder
Cartoon Corner
Cathy Wilcox
Alan Moir
Peter Broelman
David Rowe
Matt Golding
Glen Le Lievre
Mark Knight
John Shakespeare
Leak
From the US
@ briefly
“ The UK has not had a military imperial reach in this part of the world since 1942.”
To be fair the Brits more than held their own in the western sector of the war with Japan from 1943-45.
And the British Pacific Fleet – 1944/45 was properly kick arse.
frednk @ #713 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 8:05 am
Don’t forget -sarc- like Lizzie does otherwise you’ll make me blush.
Can we have Labor’s proper NBN now that cost is clearly no barrier?
Zoomster
I said the timing of the shadow minister thing is suspect. I did not say it was a bludger or even Liberal person let alone Labor bludger that brought it up.
If I was going to do so I would have said people on this site as I have specifically said before
Your game playing caught out.
This is nuts. Just nuts.
guytaur
‘ I did not say it was a bludger or even Liberal person let alone Labor bludger that brought it up.’
The post was addressed to me.
It takes a very large, very dead cat to wipe Christian Porter from the front page. Good effort, ScoMo!
@Mundo
I won’t stand for it.
I won’t!!
Labor has a good attack dog politician. Albo fights tories. Everyone knows that.
I mean pay attention will you.
Off to the pollbludger naughty corner I go…..
guytaur @ #722 Thursday, September 16th, 2021 – 8:08 am
That’s right, guytaur. I brought it up. Why don’t you say that? And for a very good reason too. Why don’t you agree? For the reason, before you get up in high dudgeon in defense of The Greens again, that mundo used a stupid get out of jail free argument that he should only criticise Labor because they are the only alternative government. So I made the entirely correct point that The Greens consider themselves an alternative government too because they have Shadow Ministers, because only governments have Ministers and only alternative governments have Shadow Ministers. So mundo’s point was fallacious.
Got it, guytaur? I hope so because I’m not going to explain it to you again.
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porotisays:
Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:32 am
The new trilateral. How nice, the parents have agreed on a shared custody arrangement over the colony.
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Out of the 3 leaders only Biden has any maturity to deal with the consequences of this deal. Also, only US has the Financial and Military might to deal with the consequences of this deal.
Now it makes sense to what Frydenburg and Dutton said in recent days.
Frydenburg: We may have to reduce all ties with China (or something similar)
Dutton: The defence capabilities of Australia should be offensive (or something similar)
Frydenburg
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/australia-is-on-the-frontline-of-chinas-global-strategic-competition-josh-frydenberg/news-story/70af2054b445291892b3c93866c7d0d7
Dutton
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Andrew_Earlwood says:
Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 8:14 am
“ The UK has not had a military imperial reach in this part of the world since 1942.”
To be fair the Brits more than held their own in the western sector of the war with Japan from 1943-45.
And the British Pacific Fleet – 1944/45 was properly kick arse.
They can confine themselves to the Atlantic. They are absolutely unwelcome here.
Zoomster
So. I was expecting a sane comment on the possible Liberal tactics to undermine opposition from you.
So how if the subs will be built in Adelaide, how will they move them from there? They’ll need fuel for the journey out…
Poor Cameron, good point, reminding people about the failure over many years of the french deal goes to there competence.
Morrison is trying hard not to trigger anti-nuclear cause, not sure how it will be received though…
“Australia is not seeking to establish …. a civil nuclear capability”
Thats a potential wedge issue there, if we dont have civil nuclear capability we are dependent of foreign nations for their operations, if we do develop civil nuclear capability the next step will nuclear reactor for power, then weapons.
And arguably we should be trying to align ourselves with middle powers rather than the US, but i guess UK is only middle power now 😉