12.06am. “We’re bringing back Macquarie”, says Scott Morrison in his victory speech. Not so fast — Labor have just hit the lead there. And not because of that Katoomba pre-poll booth I mentioned a few times earlier, which barely swung on two-party preferred.
11.13pm. Kerryn Phelps has her nose in front in Wentworth, but I would note that the Rose Bay pre-poll hasn’t reported yet. It wasn’t a booth at the 2016 election but was at the by-election, and when it came in, there was a pretty handy shift to the Liberals. Also outstanding is the Waverley pre-poll booth, which does a very great deal of business.
10.59pm. The Liberals have edged into the lead in Boothby, after Glenelg pre-poll swung 4% their way (though Brighton went 3% the other way).
10.57pm. Labor just hanging on in Cowan, well out of contention now in Swan, and every other WA seat they hoped to win.
10.56pm. I was suggesting Labor wasn’t home in Moreton before. Probably safe now. But Mansfield pre-poll swung 14.4% to Coalition, while Rocklea and Wooldridge didn’t move.
10.39pm. With 45.8% counted, South Australia looks like three Liberal, two Labor and one Greens. Centre Alliance performing weakly at 2.8%.
10.38pm. Oh, and by the way — Clive Palmer is on 3.4% in Queensland and is being flogged by One Nation.
10.38pm. Jacqui Lambie is on 8.7% in Tasmania and should be back. The result should go two Liberal, two Labor and one Greens. 58.2% counted.
10.35pm. One Nation are on over 10% in Queensland, where I’m inclined to think the most likely result is Coalition two, Labor two, Greens one, One Nation one, with 33.4% counted.
10.34pm. Looks like three Coalition, two Labor and one Greens in Victoria too, with 32.4% counted. But maybe Labor could take a third seat off the Coalition, if their position improves as more metropolitan votes come in. No one else is cracking 3%.
10.32pm. Some early indications from the Senate. Starting in New South Wales, with 35.6% counted. One Nation aren’t doing great at 5%; United Australia Party tanking on 1.4%. Looks like three Coalition, two Labor and one Greens.
10.30pm. Labor leads 1.3% in Lilley, which Nine projects down to 0.5%. One pre-poll in swung slightly more heavily than the 5.2% norm; two more are still to come.
10.28pm. Labor leads 2.3% in Blair, which the Nine computer projects down to 0.9%. One pre-poll booth, Ipswich South, swung typically; two more are outstanding.
10.21pm. That Katoomba pre-poll booth in Macquarie which Anthony Albanese said had swung heavily to Labor still isn’t in the system. Labor has a raw lead of 1.3% lead there, but absent pre-polls (Katoomba and five others), the Nine computer projects absolutely nothing in it.
10.19pm. A 9.8% swing has reduced Labor to a 4.9% lead in Hunter, projected to be 2.7%. Should be okay for them, but the one pre-poll booth swung 14.1%, and there are eight still to come, whih are worth keeping at least half an eye on.
10.16pm. Labor leads 2.8% in Eden-Monaro, Nine computer projects 1.3%, 1.6% swing to Liberal. There are eight pre-polls, none of which have reported.
10.14pm. Labor leads by 2.0% in Dobell after a 3.5% swing to Liberal, with the Nine computer projecting 1.4%. Two pre-polls, Tuggerah and The Entrance, have swung normally. Pre-polls yet to come from Charmhaven and Gosford.
10.10pm. Independent Helen Haines holds what the Nine booth projects as a 1.8% lead in Indi: two pre-polls in, Wodonga, which swung heavily to Liberal, and Mansfield, which swung only very slightly (by swing here, I mean compared with Cathy McGowan’s margin of 4.8%). Wangaratta pre-poll still to come. Very much too close to call.
10.04pm. The Nine computer now projects a tiny lead for the Liberals in Chisholm. Four pre-polls still to come may decide the result. The one pre-poll that has reported, Blackburn North, swung 1.6% to Labor.
10.02pm. The yo-yo of Swan has swung back in favour of the Liberals, while Labor maintains only a fragile lead in Cowan. Still nothing in it in Boothby, Labor very slightly ahead.
9.44pm. Labor has very tenuous leads in Blair and Lilley, so there’s certainly paths to a Coalition majority. Other seats the Liberals wouldn’t be giving up on include Corangamite, Eden-Monaro and Moreton.
9.42pm. Now it’s getting very close in Chisholm. Other seats the Liberals wouldn’t be giving up on yet include Corangamite, Dobell, Eden-Monaro,
9.39pm. Spoke too soon about Swan — close again now.
9.34pm. Particularly remarkable results from scanning around include double-digit two-party swings against Labor in Hunter, Capricornia and, would you believe it, Dawson. The latter two suggest a very strong Adani effect.
9.30pm. Another blow for Labor with Swan now looking beyond their reach. However, they have moved ahead in Cowan, so it looks like status quo in WA.
9.21pm. Anthony Albanese just said on Nine that there is a big swing to Labor on the Katoomba pre-poll centre in Macquarie, which is not in the system yet. That should save Labor’s bacon there.
9.17pm. Very advanced stage of the count in Bass, with even the pre-polls in, and Labor look too far behind.
9.05pm. Both Labor-held Cowan and Liberal-held Swan are very close, but Liberals looking good in Hasluck, Pearce and Stirling. At best though, a net gain of one for Labor in WA.
8.54pm. And if all goes well for the Liberals in WA, the door widens a little on the prospect of a Coalition majority.
8.51pm. First results look encouraging for Christian Porter in Pearce. Ditto Stirling, but very few votes there. Some results in Cowan, looks close, but too early to be meaningful. First booth looks good for Liberal in Hasluck. Individually all too early to say, but collectively discouraging for the notion that WA might save the day for Labor.
8.48pm. Given pre-polls heavily favoured the Liberals at the Wentworth by-election, I would read the present lineball result as somewhat encouraging for the Liberals.
8.45pm. Haven’t said a thing about Wentworth — it looks very, very tight. A number of the independents failed to mark much of a mark, including Kevin Mack in Farrer and Rob Oakeshott in Cowper.
8.38pm. Labor looks okay in Solomon; the CLP leads on the raw vote in Lingiari, but the Nine computer projects them ahead, because these are mostly conservative booths from Katherine and such.
8.29pm. Another big picture overview. In New South Wales, Labor wins Gilmore but loses Lindsay; Tony Abbott loses Warringah. Labor-held Macquarie could go either way. Labor wins Chisholm, Corangamite and Dunkley. Tasmania: Labor loses Braddon and looking shaky in Bass. Queensland: Labor to lose Herbert and Longman, Leichhardt looking unlikely now. In South Australia, the potential Labor gain of Boothby is lineball. Talk that Labor is in danger in Lingiari, but the Nine computer projects them in the lead, and there’s nothing from Solomon yet. Nothing meaningful yet from Western Australia. My best guess remains that the Coalition will land just short of a majority, but the wild cards of WA and pre-polls remain in the deck.
8.20pm. By best guess is that the Coalition will land a few seats short of a majority, but again: nothing yet from WA, and the possibility it will play out differently on pre-polls. The likely cross bench: Adam Bandt, Zali Steggall, Bob Katter, Andrew Wilkie, Rebekha Sharkie … possibly Helen Haines, probably not Kerryn Phelps.
8.14pm. I’ve been doing real work for the last half hour, but the situation hasn’t fundamentally changed: a few gains for Labor in Victoria, maybe a net gain for the Coalition in New South Wales, Braddon and possibly Bass lost by Labor in Tasmania as well, and a net loss for Labor in Queensland. Boothby lineball though, and Labor praying for gains in Western Australia and a favourable dynamic on pre-polls.
7.48pm. Macquarie lineball, but looking better for Labor than earlier.
7.46pm. Also, the first results in Boothby are good for Labor.
7.45pm. Looking better for Labor now in Lilley though.
7.40pm. Labor should gain three in Victoria; but only Gilmore looks strong in NSW, they look like losing Lindsay, and they’re in trouble in Macquarie. In Queensland, the Nine computer has Labor behind in Blair, Herbert, and Longman, but it’s not calling any of them. However, they are running Warren Entsch close in Leichhardt.
7.33pm. I’m certainly not seeing any gains for Labor in Queensland, and they’re in trouble in Herbert, Longman and Lilley. But Tony Abbott is clearly gone in Warringah.
7.29pm. Looks close in Herbert, but Labor are struggling in Queensland in some surprising places: Lilley
7.26pm. Labor should win Chisholm, Dunkley and Corangamite, but the seats further down the pendulum in Victoria don’t appear to be swinging
7.23pm. Lineball in Macquarie as well.
7.22pm. Looking dicey for Labor in Lindsay as well.
7.21pm. Still nothing in it in Bass, Liberals looking like winning Braddon.
7.19pm. Early assessment: it’s going to be close. Labor far from assured of a majority.
7.18pm. But it’s looking good for Labor in Gilmore.
7.13pm. Early days, but I’m not seeing any great wave to Labor. They are struggling in the two northern Tasmanian seats, and only looking really good in Corangamite in Victoria. And it looks close early in Griffith, a seat they hold in Queensland.
7.12pm. Early indications are that it’s close in Chisholm – six booths in on primary, two on two-party (50 in total).
7.09pm. Labor have moved ahead on Nine’s projection in Bass, but remain behind in Braddon.
7.08pm. If nothing else, the news from Queensland is consistently looking good for the Coalition.
7.06pm. The swing to LNP in Bonner I noted earlier has come off, now looking status quo (LNP margin 3.4%).
7.05pm. Dreadful early numbers for Tony Abbott, who trails 40.3% to 32.5% on the raw primary vote with five booths out of 50 in.
7.02pm. The Nine computer sees a 3.9% swing to Labor in Corangamite, where there is no margin.
7.01pm. Related by Chris Uhlmann, Labor believes they have won Corangamite. But the overall picture in Queensland for the Coalition looks strong, as per the exit poll result.
7.00pm. Early numbers looking encouraging for Peter Dutton in Dickson — a swing approaching 5% in his favour off four booths.
6.58pm. Labor look to have the edge in Gilmore, with 13 booths out of 66 on the primary vote – Liberal down 17.4% of which 12.7% has gone to the Nationals, while Labor are down very slightly. Ex-Liberal independent Grant Schultz only on 5.3%.
6.56pm. Four booths in from Braddon, and Labor looks in trouble. One booth in from Bass, swing looks almost exactly equal to the Labor margin.
6.54pm. Based on four primary vote results and a speculative preference throw, the Nine computer sees a 4.25% swing to Labor in La Trobe, suggesting it will be tight.
6.52pm. First two-party result in Bonner is encouraging for LNP incumbent Ross Vasta.
6.51pm. The first two-party booth from Corangamite, which is obviously in the country, has swung 5.4% to Labor.
6.50pm. Little swing in Macquarie with three booths in on two-party (it goes without saying these are small ones).
6.47pm. Gilmore looks close with eight booths out of 66 in on the primary vote.
6.43pm. First two booths from Kooyong, albeit very small ones, look encouraging for Josh Frydenberg.
6.42pm. Promising early numbers for independent Helen Haines in Indi, with 13 bush booths in on the primary vote.
6.38pm. Some fairly encouraging early numbers for Nationals member Kevin Hogan in Page, a marginal seat in northern New South Wales that Labor was never confident about.
6.35pm. Over 1000 votes in from Calare, and early indications are Nationals incumbent Andrew Gee will keep enough of his primary vote to hold off Shooters, if they indeed make it ahead of Labor to reach the final count. Early days yet though.
5.45pm. Welcome to live blogging of the federal election count. I have been working in what little time I have had to spare on an election results facility, but I probably won’t be able to get it in action this evening. However, I should be able to make it functional for the count after election night. Similarly, I may or may not find time to do some live blogging this evening, in between my duties as a behind-the-scenes operator for the Nine Network’s coverage. Speaking of, the YouGov Galaxy exit poll for Nine, from a sample of about 3300, has Labor leading 52-48, which I’m pretty sure presumes to be effectively nationally, even though only specific marginal seats have been targeted. State by state though, the swing is, as expected, uneven: 52-48 to Labor in New South Wales (2.5% swing to Labor), 55-45 in Victoria (3.2% swing to Labor), 53-47 to Coalition in Queensland (a swing to the Coalition of 1.1%), and 52-48 to Labor in the other three states combined (a swing to Labor of 2.5%).
“I’m calling it for Phelps in Wentworth now.
Not based on any rigorous analysis, just a gut call.”
postals will smash Phelps, but having said that, she is actually slightly ahead than where she ended up in the by-election. This seat won’t be known for days.
Something far too few people will remember: the Greens are outpolling One Nation in Queensland.
People thought Tony Abbott was authentic and look where he is now.
“Going to Tanya would be a huge mistake,”
Based on this, next leader has to be a white male boof head.
Is Andrews going to take Morrison’s 4 billion for the east/west tunnel?
I thought you were more mature Socrates than to use labels like “ScumMo”. Call him a dickhead if you like (I would), but puerile name/nickname changes like that are simply pathetic.
The rest of your comment was fair. Agree with you that this is the most corrupt government in our history.
SM, that horde of young people have never experienced a recession, due to the fiscal policies put in place by Labor Governments Hawke/Keating 1983-1996 and rudd/Swan 2007 GFC
What do you think their reaction will be in 18 months and they’ve lost everything and yet the Morrison government can give them nothing other than a welfare card and service cuts ?
Bucephalus @ #1404 Saturday, May 18th, 2019 – 10:49 pm
But no longer are the voters unaware of Labor having a good economic record. Many now know Hawke saved the place. Labor should now build on that and knock the ‘bad management’ mantra once and for all.
Shorten didn’t want to be negative. He’s a consensus bloke and is what the country needs but bad luck for us.
The media will absolute fawn all over Morrison now and he’ll still be secretive. Only the Libs get away with that.
“To Whom does Labor have to appear authentic?”
You’re missing the point. Authenticity isn’t about picking and appealing to some hypothetical, election-winning demographic. That thinking is half the problem.
Authenticity is about people believing that what they see is what they get with you. It’s about passion. It’s about not looking like you’re feeding the public a line from a focus group every time you open your mouth. It’s about emotion, and anger, and tears. It’s about passion.
In politics, it’s also about people believing that you have their best interests at heart even if they don’t agree with you on every single issue.
It’s the reason why Donald Trump, and Jaqui Lambie, and Barnaby Joyce, and Pauline Hanson still have careers in politics despite stuff up after stuff up after stuff up.
swamprat
I am always pretty pessimistic (I thought the day before both the 2002 and 2018 Victorian elections that Labor might lose!), but I seriously thought Labor today would have a bare minimum of +2 to end on 74 and minority government.
It has been noted before that the science of polling becomes more art when the two major parties’ together total 75% or less. In 1983 Labor and the Coalition got 93% of the vote, the Democrats 5% and others 2%. In those days pollsters didn’t even do TPP, there was seemingly no real need for it.
So now obviously aside from sampling problems it seems assumptions about TPP are not quite right.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseTppByStateByDemographic-24310.htm
Have a look at the swings. That’s where the story is.
“What do you think their reaction will be in 18 months”
Maybe the Millennials are good at self publicity, but in the end are just as selfish as every other age group. Bit over hearing how wonderful they are, right now.
Hey swampy, go easy on yourself. I picked 94 🙂
slackboy72 @ #1465 Saturday, May 18th, 2019 – 11:12 pm
Labor failed to sell a clean secure future to them.
Frickeg @ #1496 Saturday, May 18th, 2019 – 11:14 pm
Not in soon-to-be-ex marginal seats that matter, unfortunately.
Seems pretty much like almost the same position as 2016
May take days to sort it all out.
For what is worth right now it seems that even in Qld the LNP PV has barely moved. It was PHON and UAP that smashed Labor and sucked the votes up. As usual though the LNP bastards will make whatever BS claims they can try and make. Greens vote in Qld seems to have gone up and it was run with a wealth of policy and ongoing calls for Adani to be halted. Also despite the vast apparently orchestrated trolling campaign against the literally ‘treasonous’ Greens by the RWNJ up there.
Events and circumstances will be more important in the future than anything anyone says here or elsewhere. I don’t see a stop Adani and Galilee basin campaign going away.
It’s disappointing but really not as bad as some might be feeling I think. No doubt feeling shit tonight for many who have tried so hard for many months. All the best for them.
“It’s the reason why Donald Trump, and Jaqui Lambie, and Barnaby Joyce, and Pauline Hanson still have careers in politics despite stuff up after stuff up after stuff up.”
Nope, they appeal to naked self interest.
HB
ScumMo sums up my attitude to the man. He is a first rank fake.
That being said, I agree he beat Labor in this campaign, and badly. He told Australians the lies they wanted to hear, and Labor didn’t.
Apart from a leadership change, Labor desperately needs to get somebody from Qld into shadow cabinet. Chalmers has performed well in media spots I have seen him in, and he would be my first pick.
Antony called it on Adani
Penny has no personality, she comes over as a cold fish, a person that talks at you, not with you.
She presents a negative aura on tv.
She is a mechanic not a salesperson.
The post mortem in Labor needs to be swift and open. The Liberals’ shock victory will paper over some differences for now, but Dutton lives on, as does Joyce, and neither will be feeling shy about their values. For me, what I most wanted was a federal anti-corruption body that was open and transparent. Can’t believe Australians swallowed this bullshit. Wonder how many sitting days we’ll get before 2022?
Silver linings on the cloud: Abbott gone, Palmer spent $x million, no candidates elected, Anning gone, likely only 1 PHONey elected nationally.
“Andrew Earlwood
Labor tried your approach. It failed.”
What failed was targeting tax rorts to fund social programs. It looked like a winner for 3 years. It’s a shame because it is the rational thing to do.
What also failed was the greens gaslighting Labor on climate change. Labor said 50% reductions by 2030 but couldn’t exactly explain how much that transition would cost the economy other than an educated punt that doing nothing would cost more.
Then the Greens said. Feck you labor. “Coal is dead”, Will will “force” you to ban thermal coal exports by 2030 and “demand” a 90% cut in energy emissions by 2030. Then Pepe and Brown did their Adani stunt through Queensland which just reminded Queenslanders of the doubt they had about Labor’s closeness to the Greens. This is blindingly obvious. It is also obvious that Labor simply needs to cut the greens lose on their big targets. This may be sad, but progressive politics is doomed for years if the Greens are still in a position to wedge labor against its base like this.
Er, is there any evidence that young people voted Liberal in unexpected numbers?
This reeks of the blue rinse brigade plus angry middle aged white men.
Seth – I don’t believe there is much correlation between federal and state elections, different issues different personalities.
Howard and Beattie both dominated QLD at pretty much the same time.
nath @ #1478 Saturday, May 18th, 2019 – 11:15 pm
He’s a fool if he doesn’t
It’s Poll Bludger. Everything’s the fault of those under 40.
Blobbit @ #1493 Saturday, May 18th, 2019 – 11:20 pm
And open racism. And stupidity*.
* Or at least, the variant of stupidity where you think subject-matter experts and laymans/amateurs have opinions of equal worth on things related to the subject-matter.
Socrates, just call him “a first rate fake” then. Pejorative plays on someone’s name, or nickname, is simply puerile, primary school level behaviour.
Andy Murray @ #1513 Saturday, May 18th, 2019 – 9:19 pm
I picked 98.
How good am I?
“Er, is there any evidence that young people voted Liberal in unexpected numbers?”
No, but there isn’t any evidence that building a platform around their concerns is a way to win.
I’m Gen X – I’m disgusted at the moment by age groups either side of me.
I genuinely feel for Bill Shorten – he took a risk, he took an imaginative approach, a large target approach to policy which is entirely respectable. I honestly thought, as a young person, he had the best set of policies for a potential labor prime minister since 1983. Climate change, tax, university, school funding, the republic, all the rest – he went at it unapologetic-ally. He deserves that respect as a leader – he boldly took the risks that many opposition leaders wouldn’t have. He and Hewson are both respectable in that regard.
I think Hawke would have been happy with his performance. Obviously people were, atm, too nervous to change, but Hawke would have been happy with the options Labor offered.
“Nope, they appeal to naked self interest.”
Well that is IT.
Your job as a politician is to server your voters, to work for the benefit of the voters.
This is basic stuff.
But when parties and pollies put power hunger or ideology before their owners (the public) well they deserve to lose.
Maybe Labor should think – I want Australians to elect us as THEIR managers – what things would they support.
For someone that reads all the vitriolic left wing posts and doesn’t usually comment, it’s been an absolutely magical night. So proud to be a Queenslander. God bless all
south @ #1476 Saturday, May 18th, 2019 – 11:08 pm
We need to put the foot on the throats of these bastards and give them no quarter. For too long, Labor have been too ‘nice’. Look at all the talk about giving Bishop a job. Give them nothing, concede nothing. also, no more happy friends crap re Albo and Pyne. I want my reps to hate these Tories as much as I do. I get the feeling for many Labor types it’s all too much of a game.
@Patrick Bateman
Agree about Clive Palmer. Also Morrison doesn’t have to do anything to be authentic. I believe the Murdoch and co does that for him.
@Cud Chewer
NBN. Easy for them to justify cutting it up and selling it.
Labor too soft, too honest and too vulnerable to negative attack. The polls, by and large, have proved to be a crock of shit. Don’t know where to from here. Shorten clearly will go, but I don’t think Albanese is the answer. However, it is not so much the leader as the strategy. Next time, take the bloody gloves off and go for the throat. Say nothing, do nothing until a week or so out from the elections. Ignore any poll more than a week out from an election and then, think twice about what it is really telling. Talk of appointing Julie Bishop to this or that overseas appointment is Alice in Wonderland stuff.
The only saving grace is that Abbott is gone, the Downer woman did not get up and the Liberals still have not a policy rag to bless themselves with. I wonder what Palmer’s price will be?
Oh, and mea culpa. In WA I always thought there were three seats to be won……………………How wrong can one be???
“It’s Poll Bludger. Everything’s the fault of those under 40.”
No it’s mainly the fault of the middle aged and older. But the belief that an influx of new voters was going to swing the vote has been destroyed.
Sinodinos is refreshingly frank and open.
All the millions of words written here and it all boiled down to:
Wayne says:
Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:33 pm
Our great LNP will win the May 18 election and Scott Morrison will make a great PM of this great country of ours
Blobbit
So did AE and I.
Green did not give a solution.
Labor was seen as weak. Neither Arthur or Martha
So in North Queensland it lost as voters believed Labor was against Adani. Shades of a Howard Tasmania result. They lost in South East Queensland because they did not oppose it. I can say that with confidence because of the Queensland state election. Plus everywhere else.
Voters hate weak leaders.
Blobbit, same generation and I bet you more millennials voted Lab/Green than did so in our generation.
All ALP needs is a Qlander as leader.
Not even any need for policy or charisma.
Just born as a banana bender.
Vics will be happy to vote for them. NSW will be happy to vote for them.
Nothing else matters.
Honest Bastard:
That’s not terribly fair – the level of pre-polls is now so high as to interfere with the booth projections:
– voters on the day tend to vote in the same booth;
– but pre-polls could be FROM anywhere (i.e. a pre-poll removes a voter from an unknown booth), and at the high levels now occurring are not predictable using the old rule of thumb (the old rule was pre-polls/postals used to correlate with wealth and hence favour right wing parties)
This introduces a new paradigm. Using booth numbers, Robert Ray in (I think) 1990 was able to call the election for the ALP when various “models” were producing the contrary result. That paradigm is now over and it’s not at all clear what one can do to replace it (unexplored territory, so to speak). For example, can anyone explain what’s going on in Wentworth? (could still be anywhere between a solid win to Phelps and a strong win to Sharma…)
In effect, allowing pre-polling on demand (just say you’re eligible and you’re in) introduces a new form of optionality into voting in Australia – voting is still compulsory but the timing of one’s vote is at the voter’s option. This is mathematically a fascinating development and ought to provoke intense interest in a psephology blog !
What is the logic behind saying vocal far right parties like UAP and PHON helped the LNP get votes at the same time as saying the Greens cost Labor votes?
How good is Australia!
Labor doesn’t not have an inalienable right and deserve an expectation that the public Must elect them so they can put in Their Own ideology. If they lose, the public reject them …then they MUST be looking at their policy and ideology.
“Your job as a politician is to server your voters, to work for the benefit of the voters.”
The problem with climate change is that there will be losers. The LNP have said screw it, we’ll ignore the long term issues and give everyone a short term sugar hit.
Further on Qld, I supported (and still do) a ban on any new coal mines or power plants, including Adani. Labor tried in this campaign to have an each way bet on that and it failed. Their “non opposition” of the mine did not convince any locals looking to it to provide them with jobs. At the same time it may have weakened their vote in the cities.
The solution was to say head on that Labor would oppose new mines, but fund concrete alternatives that would provide new jobs in coal areas. That never really happened, or only vaguely, so that has to be changed. I suggested Labor support projects like Rookwood Weir in central Qld, but I do not know if that ever happened.
Dan G,
I run a regular poker night. You are most welcome to join the circle.