The Australian reports Newspoll has closed its 2018 account with another crushing 55-45 lead for Labor, from primary votes of Coalition 35% (up one), Labor 41% (up one), Greens 9% (steady) and One Nation 7% (down one). Scott Morrison edges to net negative territory on his personal ratings, being down one on approval to 42% and up three on disapproval to 45%. Bill Shorten is respectively down one to 36% and up one to 51%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is 44-36, narrowing from 46-34. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1731.
Newspoll: 55-45 to Labor
No Christmas cheer for the Coalition from the final Newspoll for 2018.
Steve
‘However, lots if people must have been disappointed.’
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He would have been such a great leader if only his party had gotten behind him. (sarcasm emoji)
Just checking Tony Abbott’s Twitter feed – he has been silent for 3 days. Seeking some absolution from his sins via the intercession of his confessor?
doyley @ #2339 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 10:18 am
I would hope that either Morrison or Shorten would sniff the wind and deduce that religious interference in our secular society is a growing concern.
True equality isn’t that hard a concept to comprehend.
Libertarian Unionist, sorry logged out last night, and only now saw your reply. Yes, I’d forgotten about the little Turk. 🙂 It seems that people want to believe in the magic. It’s a human trait.
Brexitexit? Seems the only sensible option given the mess that the UK is now in, or at least defer Brexit a year or two and have another referendum.
Ven
I believe that Ray is a Remainer.
‘Steve777 says:
Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:34 am
Brexitexit? Seems the only sensible option given the mess that the UK is now in, or at least defer Brexit a year or two and have another referendum.’
Muddling through IS quite traditional. The problem is that they have capital strike and capital flight on their hands. Open-ended uncertainty is more likely to make this worse.
Oh I forgot to give my opinion on Brexit itself. I think its more likely that a hard Brexit is going to happen. The next likely option will be a second referendum.
Either way expect a change in government. All it takes is the DUP to stop supporting the Tories. They are not happy campers.
Hmmm. Precisely what I was thinking
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@RWPUSA
is on MSNBC talking about a negotiated plea deal for Trump/family to resign. A comprehensive deal. Federal and State. He’s right. #bitterpill but he’s right. Don’t hate me.
President Pelosi is a real possibility
Steve
Brexit and sensible parted company when Cameron called for the first Referendum. I agree with whoever posted about the Remain campaign. The Tories did run it so it reflected their smug we are right attitude.
Victoria @ #1989 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 9:39 am
If it gets Herr Trump and the rest of them gone, then go for it. So long as it also includes a commitment from them to stay the fuck out of U.S. politics for as long as any of them shall live.
Brexit is a thoroughly reactionary project. It was sponsored by and for reactionaries and is intended to satisfy reactionary longings for an unattainable past. The same phobic impulses that gave rise to Brexit haunt other European countries too. These impulses are inherently destructive and are a real menace to harmony, peace, order, democracy and prosperity in Europe.
These impulses – variously nationalist, xenophobic, racist, violent, elitist and repressive – are led from the Right but they also have currency on the Left as well in some places, including in parts of Momentum/UK Labour.
It will only really be possible to defuse the Brexiteers by challenging their reactionary ambitions and character. There’s no supposing that the Conservatives have this capacity. They do not. They are Brexit’s major emissaries. The question is whether UK Labour can do it. In the case of Corbyn, the question is whether he even wants to.
Victoria @ #2359 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 7:39 am
I still want to see them all carted off in orange jumpsuits!
a r
I guess it is important for there to be a smooth transition. chaos and upheaval is not a great option.
If Trump has no money. It is punishment enough. Cos for him it is all about power and money.
Sceptic and Ven
I’m a Labour member (Remainer) who didn’t vote for Corbyn for leader either time
I’m merely pointing out certain facts
I’ll repeat, a new Government can cancel the Art 50 request and start again. That’s not me or Corbyn saying that it’s the European Court, just last week
Obviously if the current government did that it would be a waste of time really because their basic position wouldn’t change on what they wanted, and concessions asked for before would not be granted now
If it were an incoming Corbyn Labour government it would be different simply because his negotiating position would be totally different. Contrary to Boerwar’s assertions Corbyn envisaged a rather different Brexit than May eg a full customs union and full freedom of movement for example. As I stated earlier it’s risible to suggest the EU negotiating stance wouldn’t change after such a fundamental change in the UK political position
From a purely partisan standpoint of course I wouldn’t mind the Tories copping the blowback from where we are now .. I wonder myself if there aren’t a few Tories, in safe seats of course, musing on the idea of Labour taking over the s#@! show now and casting their confidence votes accordingly
Victoria
Pence was involved with the Transition so yes President Pelosi is looking as valid speculation not tin foil hat stuff.
@TheBeatWithAri tweets
Trump’s “lawyers ought to be telling him to negotiate a plea deal”
“It’s quite clear his goose is cooked” – Bush Ethics lawyer @RWPUSA https://twitter.com/TheBeatWithAri/status/1072999406872510464/video/1
Vic:
Parts of that interview with Richard Painter:
https://twitter.com/TheBeatWithAri/status/1072999406872510464
Pasasczcuk presser on cyclone now
Rain starting in Newtown #weatheronPB
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeves_Saves_the_Cow-Creamer
Comparing picture A with Picture B- it will be readily observed that a marked similarity exists and we may therefore conclude that a plan to market ladies knickers either exists or has been executed.
What then is required is a suitable name for Mr. William’s ladies couture and millinery shoppe.
Sorry, my FD has arrived.
EOM. ❗
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The Shovel
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HUGE BREAKING NEWS http://www.theshovel.com.au/2018/12/13/huge-breaking-news/ …
It reminds me of the NBN FOI requests.
The Brexit options are pretty confusing.
1. If Parliament does not agree to the May deal before the two years are up, what happens? Is there automatically a hard Brexit?
2. If there is a hard Brexit, can it be reversed by withdrawing the section 50 notice, or is that notice spent once the notice period has expired?
3. If the notice period has expired, would that mean that Britain would have to reapply for entry to the EU (which it is not going to do of course)?
The Lib Dems wrote a Letter to to Corbyn that was cosigned by the SNP, Plaid Cyrmu and Greens asking for him to to table a no confidence motion. Pretty sure they would want an election based on that.
TPOF
Yes no action by parliament means default is a hard Brexit.
For any other action including extending or revoking article 50 requires positive action by either the parliament or maybe the executive. (I am doubtful about the executive. I know that legislation is required to avoid hard Brexit by extending without revoking. I suspect same probably true to revoke)
TPOF
I’m not a complete expert on this but:
1. Yes. If no alternative deal is reached, there is a hard Brexit.
2. Don’t know for sure. Once the 2Y expires Britain is no longer in the EU, so presumably their right to withdraw their EU notices expires too.
3. Yes, it could conceivable reapply at some point in the future.
The most likely outcomes, in particualr order, are:
1. May Deal.
2. Hard Brexit.
3. Brexit Cancelled (before time expires).
One thing you haven’t noted is the theoretical possibility of withdrawing, then immediately resubmitting article 50…
Michael Roddan
Verified account @MichaelRoddan
Liberal MP Stuart Robert met payday lender Cash Converters before he was made Assistant Treasurer and put in charge of legislation cracking down on the scandal-ridden payday lending sector
Nicholas @ #2312 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 9:46 am
I wonder if he managed to stop laughing long enough to read any further?
Boerwar, you might be thinking of my question about the UK’s super injunctions, which apparently are a suppression order where the fact of the order itself is suppressed. It’s an odd concept for an open society. How do you know you’re not supposed to talk about something if you’re not allowed to be told that you’re to allowed to talk about that thing? How do we, who do not know, even know such a thing exists or has ever been used? And so on.
I was struggling with the concepts. On reflection this morning that second tier suppression might have a place in cases of national security, but even so that second tier suppression order should probably have a sunset clause.
IoM
Re that letter about the No Confidence motion, Labour figures reported that the SNP were privately acknowledging that a N/C motion wouldn’t pass at this particular time
This was their reason for not proceeding with it just yet
I make no statement as to the truth of it but that is what they said
One of the reasons amongst plenty of other of why the Morrison Bill on religion is an own goal.
Hanson wants to discriminate against Islam.
RA
Thanks. Re this: “One thing you haven’t noted is the theoretical possibility of withdrawing, then immediately resubmitting article 50…”, I can’t imagine it happening unless there is agreement from the EU about this course of action. I think it belongs in the realm of theory totally unless the British Government wanted to signal a desire to the EU to go through the process of reversing Brexit. There is no way that May would do this.
Rex Douglas says:
Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:30 am
doyley @ #2339 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 10:18 am
Good morning all,
Morrison once again looking for something, anything, to stir up a fight with labor. Now it is religious freedom.
WE have only recently seen the report from the royal commission into child abuse. IT showed that religious organisations have exploited their privileged position to protect those who abuse children. What is Morrison’s response. Provide these organisations with even more privilege.
Morrison presser on the Ruddock Report now
TPOF
No, to be clear on this Article 50 business
The European Court was asked to rule on this and handed down the judgment last week
The UK can unilaterally withdraw Article 50 at any time before the 2 years are up
No if’s, no but’s and at that point there would be no ‘Brexit’
Mavis Smith @ #2314 Thursday, December 13th, 2018 – 8:47 am
I’ve puzzled about this in the past. I don’t know, but I suspect it is because Cohen is a “white collar” criminal. He gets to wind up his affairs before reporting to jail.
Interesting that the suppression order on the Ruddock review has been lifted
Morrison starts with a false statement about a fundamental right of belief.
Belief has to give way to facts. e.g.. Climate Change otherwise we could just have a religion of climate denying to prevent action on that.
Ray (UK)
Thanks for your contributions. Always good to have ‘ a reporter on the scene’.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/article/Editorial-Cartoons-11297766.php
Another loser of a policy by Morrison.
Ray
‘I’ll repeat, a new Government can cancel the Art 50 request and start again. That’s not me or Corbyn saying that it’s the European Court, just last week’
I agree that the trigger is there, but to trigger what?
For the trigger to trigger anything other than a hard Brexit, the trigger assumes that the EU would be willing to do a complete restart with the negotiations.
There is currently no such willingness.
I am considering establishing a branch of the Church of Satan in Australia. To help promote the church I want to establish a school to provide education that complies with the beliefs of the church. Should I write to the Prime Minister and seek his support?
Fess/Guytaur
Thanks for link to Richard Painter interview
Michael Koziol
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Scott Morrison confirms the govt will adopt Ruddock’s recommendation to get rid of the ban on blasphemous ship names #auspol
https://www.rt.com/uk/446186-lawyer-bbc-corbyn-bias/
BW
The court case means the EU does not get to reject the UK revoking article 50 thus remaining in the EU. Not one of the 27 member countries.
Its up to the UK to trigger article 50
Does the EU get to have a say on if the UK can trigger that or is it a right as part of the treaty of signing up to be a member?
@michealkoziol
Gay students/teachers issue will be punted to the Law Reform Commission, which won’t report until the second half of next year #auspol
Wha?
@verbaliser tweets
Morrison also says “laws against blasphemy in the maritime acts probably need to be updated”. Swearing to god on the high seas a go.