In the week that brought them the Victorian election result, Newspoll has taken from the Coalition what Ipsos and Essential Research gave the week before in BludgerTrack, with Labor up 0.6% on two-party preferred and making seat projection gains in Victoria and South Australia. I’m afraid I’ve been too preoccupied/lazy to update the leadership trends, but Newspoll is unlikely to have changed them much. Other than that, full results from the link below.
nath
Wasn’t the rationale for the increase in submarines, that they’d be able to sneak up on all the terrorist boats trying to get into Australia?
And look at the Tory back-benchers. Shoulders slumped, chins down, they having come to the inevitable conclusion that most of them are cactus. What a sad lot they are.
Go Bill
Going against the PB trend, Amy’s stand up comedian routine has become egregiously sophomoric and wastes the invaluable public forum that the Australian Guardian has been gifted by the reputation their UK original publication. This is exactly the same smartarsery ground that was tilled to extinction by Annabel Crabbe.
Amy, you’re no Annabel Crabbe, so how about discussing the horrific existential crisis which our country is facing with the rational analysis that it deserves?
Was Dutton given a pair?
Did some LNP member deliberately get himself arsed by the speaker and wink about it?
My God, this is past ludicrous!
lizzie
says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 3:01 pm
nath
Wasn’t the rationale for the increase in submarines, that they’d be able to sneak up on all the terrorist boats trying to get into Australia?
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Well if that is true then they are insane. I cannot understand our submarine fetish. I can understand spending the money on planes or surface ships, they might one day prove useful, though I doubt it.
BW
Stop Greens bashing for a minute and can you clarify how you can justify ‘labor-does-deal-with-coalition-to-force-migrants-to-wait-four-years-for-welfare’. what Doug Cameron said to Greens is is unbecoming of Labor senator & he calls himself a socialist.
I can relate to Mehreen Faruqi speech because I also experienced the same thing she & her husband did. No immigrant wants to live on welfare benefits when they migrate Australia. They want to get jobs & move on in their lives because having job is the best welfare. But if one comes during the worst recession (the recession we had to have) this country had after era of depression with very few jobs, then people have live on those unemployment benefits till they get a job.
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The Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi said she knew “the human cost” of measures like this as she and her husband struggled to get jobs as engineers when they first moved to Australia in 1992.
“It was the middle of the recession we had to have, jobs were few and far between and, of course, we had the added burden of not having local experience, even though we had degrees that were recognised [the] world over,” she said.
“While no one would give us a job, the support system in Australia at that time did recognise that migrants do need financial assistance to survive, and we were provided this assistance.”
“It’s pretty rich of Labor to stand here and tell us we don’t understand the complexities. Well you know what, mate, I’ve lived the complexity.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/29/labor-does-deal-with-coalition-to-force-migrants-to-wait-four-years-for-welfare
I see the person who said, inter alia, that her colleagues are anti-women, homophobic is nodding her head in agreement with Dear Leader FauxMo, but here overall body language is very telling.
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Fulvio Sammut says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 3:03 pm
Was Dutton given a pair?
Did some LNP member deliberately get himself arsed by the speaker and wink about it?
My God, this is past ludicrous!
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Probably he was given ‘au pair’. 🙂
Scomo’s cunning scheme to deter an invasion of Australia is to render it uninhabitable. Its implementation is well advanced.
Good on you Ven.
don @ #264 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 1:23 pm
Why are you parrotting the old coot Molan ?
Did some LNP member deliberately get himself arsed by the speaker and wink about it?
Certainly sounds like it.
The simple fact of gubbie getting an hour off is notable. To have happened when the chair hasn’t punted any from his left is just about unprecedented.
They just want out of their own misery.
[‘Was Dutton given a pair?’]
Affirmative, Fulvio.
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Aqualung says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 3:02 pm
Go Bill
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How can you justify bill when ‘‘labor-does-deal-with-coalition-to-force-migrants-to-wait-four-years-for-welfare’
Submarines in peacetime see a lot of use as ISR platforms. They’re also used to deploy special forces.
They don’t call it the silent service for nothing.
Prof. Higgins
It will be interesting to see if she mocks a future Labor govt in the same way.
Prof Higgins
Going against the PB trend, Amy’s stand up comedian routine has become egregiously sophomoric and wastes the invaluable public forum that the Australian Guardian has been gifted by the reputation their UK original publication.
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Disagree. Question Time is an absolute farce under this government and Amy is pointing out what a bloody farce it is. Total public service.
nath @ #348 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 2:58 pm
The logic is the grey vote.
ScoMo stopped lying for a second.
“only the Liberal and National Coalition can be distrusted…’
I go away and QT becomes interesting
FauxMo’s mojo is at rock bottom, even becoming confused by saying that the Tories are mistrusted. It doesn’t get much worse than this.
caf
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Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 3:08 pm
Submarines in peacetime see a lot of use as ISR platforms. They’re also used to deploy special forces.
They don’t call it the silent service for nothing.
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It’s a lot of money to get the SAS onto zodiacs!
Even Sky New Before Dark is praising Shorten’s speech.
Ven @ #363 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 3:07 pm
PHON/LNP/Lab unity ticket.
Sorry Ven.
Go Scott.
It will be interesting to see if she mocks a future Labor govt in the same way.
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Lizzie
She has made it clear that she will call out hypocrisy, bullshit theatre and stupidity wherever she sees it – including under Labor.
Mavis Smith @ #356 Thursday, November 29th, 2018 – 11:05 am
In fairness to O’Dwyer, I think she was expressing views of others in the electorate rather than her own. 🙂
“Submarines in peacetime see a lot of use as ISR platforms. They’re also used to deploy special forces.
They don’t call it the silent service for nothing.”
Sea lane control and carrying significant numbers of cruise missiles is a useful capability in conflict as well.
While its emerging that the French deal may be less than optimal its not a capability to be scoffed at. German offer is probably the way to go, or maybe bring the Swedes back into play, after an upgrade of 3 Collins to see us through. Avoid the Japanese offer like the plague.
@Rex
Phony Greens attacking Labor – like a broken record.
Doesn’t take long to be same same of the Greens Party, where is the higher moral ground you speak of?
It doesn’t exist.
On Greens v Labor wars hotting up.
Its simple. In opposition LNP could implode so much the Greens take their seats.
Nah. What’s happening is the right don’t like the progressive ascendency.
So when right wing Hinch joins with the Greens voting on an issue it really points to what issues are right wing v central right
Katter sits with the Gov.
Some people can’t see the trees for the forest.
Looks like the Government will survive today!
What was this motion for?
TPOF
Amy gives us excellent coverage. Concentration of a high standard for hours.
With all of the arguments about the Green’s ‘policies’ or lack thereof, the announcement by the Greens of a new process to deal with sexual harassment/sexual assault was missed;
Greens announce new sexual complaints process
The result of the division is inconsequential insofar as despite it, Labor has shown that the Morrison Government is in a state of chaos.
Gutless effort from the lady cross benchers.
Some of the strategic discussion here is interesting, to say the least.
It would be wise not to think too much about D Day movies. Or the Battle of the Bulge.
Time frames are important when considering potential military threats.
Given lead times for major defence items currently in the pipeline, India and China are both capable of invading Australia.
They are both perfectly capable of very severely damaging our economy by way of distant blockade.
Indonesia is now able to maintain a low level war of attrition that we could not win, even if we would not lose it outright. (Most wars involve the buggeration of an endless stalemate… look at Afghanistan).
Our standard of living would collapse because, for example, Indonesia has the capability to vastly increase the insurance costs for our coal and iron ore exports. (There is a good argument that the US got into WW1 to protect the funds it had lent to the UK which had borrowed the vast sums needed to self-insure its merchant marine).
We have three weeks worth of POL. Tankers are dead easy to set on fire.
The Indonesians sit on most of our major trade choke points.
The Indonesians could also start bleeding us by attrit via the common border between PNG and Irian.
Jaya.
I know the Greens believe in Kumbaya to have the same defence value as fighter jets, fighting ships, tanks and artillery, but the Indonesians do not.
In just 67 years, the Indonesians have fought the following wars: Independence, Konfrontasi, Irian Jaya v Dutch, Iran Jaya v Independence Movement, Aceh, and East Timor.
The main message is that Indonesia will fight wars.
In terms of scale of the Indonesian wars, overall deaths in those wars far outnumber our own KIA in all theatres and in the whole of World War Two.
On Thursday next when Labor moves another supspension, they must ensure none of them of the subject of a 94a.
Wow how dare the Greens vote with Labor
Its a dirty trick to undermine Labor
(Sarcasm font)
Listening to Scummo. L/NP needs the next eight months to tell everyone in every electorate what a great job they will do if they are re elected.
They told everyone that before the last election.
If what they offer is so good, why aren’t they at work implementing these brilliant ideas now.
10 days work in 8 months, what an admission. No one is going to think this is acceptable.
‘Ven says:
Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 3:03 pm
BW
Stop Greens bashing for a minute…’
I will when the Greens do the costings for destroying the cotton industry and closing down Olympic Dam and reveal their costings for the ADF.
Because, until the Greens have a fully costed budget, any time they indulge in sledging and wedging that involves a budget component, they have NO standing.
My grandfather always feared an Indonesian invasion. Nothing would convince him otherwise. Until the day he died he always had one eye out the window looking for Sukarno. Not to put shit on my own gene pool, but he wasn’t that bright.
Julia Banks, Kerryn Phelps, Cathy McGowan and Rebehka Sharkie will never threaten a Liberal government. They are more into tokenism and grandstanding.
ratsak says:
No surprise. Amy mentioned earlier the cross bench were mighty pissed at Labor supporting the Coalition re the “Virtue Signal to PHON & 2GB” bill.
So now we know the true value of the Lady Indies.
They are in the Government’s pocket.
At least Katter has had the decency to allow himself to be bought lock, stock and barrel.