The latest Essential Research poll has Labor’s lead unchanged at 54-46. Beyond that, I’m a bit tied up at this point to discuss the attitudinal results (chief among which is 64% support for a royal commission into banking), but they are as ever summarised in The Guardian, and will be available in complete form when the full report is published later today, together with the primary vote numbers. I believe we should also have YouGov along later today.
UPDATE. YouGov/Fifty Acres: 53-47 to Labor
The fortnightly YouGov/Fifty Acres poll has Labor’s lead out to a new high of 53-47, but this is due to preferences rather than primary votes: Labor and the Coalition are now tied on 32% of the primary vote, after Labor led 34% to 31% last time, with One Nation steady on 11% and the Greens down a point to 10%. There is also a preferred prime minister question recording a 31% tie, with Malcolm Turnbull rated strong by 21%, weak by 41$ and neither by 30%.
The poll records an interestingly high level of support for constitutional change allowing dual citizens to run for office, with 46% in favour and 40% opposed. Also featured are national approval ratings for the Bennelong by-election candidates, both of whom do very well on both name recognition and personal support (40% favourable of John Alexander and 28% unfavourable; 39% and 29% for Kristina Keneally). Forty-six per cent support new religious protection laws in same sex marriage legislation, with 36% opposed; 55% say the government has a responsibility for the safety of asylum seekers on Manus Island, with 36% for the contrary. The poll was conducted Thursday to Monday from a sample of 1034.
The full Essential Research report has the Coalition up a point on the primary vote, to 36%, Labor steady on 38%, the Greens steady on 9% and One Nation steady on 8%. Sixty-four per cent of respondents favoured a banking royal commission, with only 12% opposed. Questions on the economy produced a mixed bag: 33% rate its state as good with 24% for poor, but 39% think it headed on the wrong direction compared with 31% for right. A question about economic issues of concern finds the highest ratings for anything to do with prices, particularly energy prices, and lesser but still substantial concern about income tax and interest rates. Forty-nine per cent supported incentives and subsidies to speed the transition from fossil fuels to renewables, 16% leaving it to the market, and 12% who wanted intervention to slow the process.
I am totally with the Greens on this one
JoshButler: The Greens are trying to stop Milo from speaking in Parliament House next week, due to his “racist, sexist and abusive views” twitter.com/RichardDiNatal…
RichardDiNatale: I’ve written to the Presiding Officers of the House and Senate asking them to revoke permission for Milo Yiannopoulos to attend and speak at Parliament House. We should not be granting a forum to someone who makes a living by peddling racist, sexist and abusive views. pic.twitter.com/yqeitw3Ddw
Birmingham up playing the two card trick on Roman Catholic Education.
Hey, Birmo.
It will not work.
Those guys in the funny dresses know all about one thing: lies of commission, lies of ommission and, uh, mental reservation.
frednk says: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 2:07 pm
As to the law; is there a law covering grabbing a women by the pussy ( as trump has claimed he does); it is seriously bad form ( in my view); but it is not rape.
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Trump Now Says the Access Hollywood Tape May Be Fake
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-access-hollywood-tape-fake
( However the ‘alleged’ Trump tape(s) – not the supposed pee-pee ones – that are said to be in the possession of various Intelligence Agencies are the real deal – and are reported to be very nasty and sickening in content )
Here is a little obervation: Canavan is gunning for Joyce.
Prime Minister Dutton and Deputy Prime Minister Canavan.
Now, is that something to look forward to!
Murray Watt just set Canavan up and Canavan went for it.
Bang!
Cracker of a POO from the new WA Greens senator:
‘I asked the Minister what he would do, not how he felt.’
Bw
Yep. That’s spot on W. Mundine: Any criticism of his views must be raciest because he’s Aboriginal.
frednk @ #241 Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 1:07 pm
Yes, assault. Try doing it to a female cop and see what happens.
frednk
Definitely assault. Any contact without consent is assault…as teachers are constantly warned.
Jackol
Well said. I heard a commentator on The Drum saying that women in those situations should have just moved to other employment. It’s not unreasonable to suggest that is therefore not an unreasonable penalty for the offender, either.
And yes, social change does sometimes punish the innocent. I remember an American friend of mine saying that she had fought for positive discrimination when it came to blacks, but that it still hurt when less qualified black Americans were appointed to positions she’d applied for. Men who were a shoe in for preselection for safe seats are going to feel similarly when women are chosen instead. I get a bit miffed when positions come up which I’m qualified for but are reserved for Aborigines. And so on.
The overall benefit of these actions overrides the individual whose nose it out of joint.
CTaR1
Calling someone ‘token’ is rarely well-received.
While I am not a legal person, my gut feeling is that Mr Mundine’s defamation suit might rather run aground on the rocks of the fact that he is not an elected representative and that his views and those of the Government have a high degree of consonance and further, that in the single most important recent issue, where the united Indigenous Voice was support for formal advisory group to be recognized in the Constitution, Mr Mundine is, once again, as one with Mr Turnbull.
Mr Mudine’s claim that Q&A was ‘civil’ when he sought repeatedly to interrupt and/or to talk over Ms Taylor rather draws a long bow.
I ask this with the upmost respect.
What happens when the new WA Greens senator wishes to make a Point of Order? I understand you need to rise to your feet and feel the senate president may not notice him if he can not.
CTaR1
Mundine has, IMO, some very useful insights from time-to-time. But when he becomes the issue, then his potential contribution becomes limited.
Liberals being wedged on the Nationals bank revolt by Labor.
Brandis up for a spot of bloviation.
Labor enjoying shooting blowfish in the Senate barrel.
Bw
For the first time in years I watched about 15 minutes of Q&A last night about half way through (I think the format of it just encourages entrenched argument rather than discussion so I consider it crap).
Mundine was definitely into cutting in over the top of Taylor.
I found something else to watch.
Did you see Canavan on Lateline last night? It looked like Alberichi had originally intended for the interview to go longer but just gave up early on getting any sense out of him.
😆
To my knowledge Burke has not been referred to the police, arrested or charged. What if he is not guilty? His name is mud. Why after 20-30 years has these adults all come forward?
The first thing the media should do is refer the allegations to the police to see what happens, only then make allegations public.
I have no opinion on his guilt or innocence, just smoke until the police and justice is given a chance .
Not only that but will he be able to get a fair trial after all of this media coverage?
Just saw on Facebook, Young Libs taking selfies with Kristina Keneally in Bennelong.
John Clarke wins Aria for Best Comedy release
CTar!
Was that where he admitted that throwing his mother under a bus to save his political skin was a bit outre?
Or was that somewhere else?
I doubt whether Joyce will last until the next election. Canavani is heading for the mattresses.
Whisper
I think they should tie some rocks to him and throw him into a pond. If he sinks. He is guilty. If he floats, not.
Went to see ‘Teacher’ today.
Best film of the year, IMO.
Can’t recommend it highly enough.
What a joke!
Patterson has just asked a question about the Hottest 100 being moved.
BiDG
Oh, you thought he was going to ask about our international NBN ratings and the cable stuff up, did you?
Bw
I once overheard the Brothers Dodson having a very animated and, even more than usual, expletive loaded exchange about Mundine.
I think you’re right that with Nash gone Canavan is ‘keen’ while Joyce is wounded as well.
‘Why after 20-30 years has these adults all come forward?’
I have this said many times about victims of various forms of abuse.
The funny thing is, I have only heard it from people who haven’t experienced abuse themselves.
CTaR1
‘Baby Face Canavani’ Capo di tutti QLD nutters.
Boerwar @ #275 Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 11:01 am
From a person trying to introduce exemptions to SSM, never!
Setting aside Mr Mundine, I am not aware of anyone much who has all that much time for Mr Mudine.
Zinger from Clementine Ford:
DG
LOL. I think her mind is made up. Am now looking up ‘Horcruxes’.
Oh. No effin wonder I did not know what ‘Horcruxes’ were. They are figments in a domain I never visit.
Yougov/Fifty Acres heading closer to consensus with the grown up opinion polls.
Herding/methodology tweaks? Or a pro Labor swing?
Labor have a six point lead on the two party preferred voting intention, on 53% (up one) while the Coalition are on 47% (down one).
The primary voting intention has Labor on 32% (down two), the Coalition on 32% (up one), the Greens on 10% (down one), and One Nation on 11% (no change).
There is a tie on who would make the best Prime Minister, with Bill Shorten and Malcolm Turnbull both on 31%. However, they both come behind “Don’t know” on 38%.
46% think the constitution should be changed [to allow dual citizens to sit in parliament] and just 40% oppose.
http://fiftyacres.com.au/blog/2017/11/28/labor-pulls-further-ahead-of-coalition,-while-turnbull-and-shorten-are-tied/
Boerwar @ #273 Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 2:53 pm
I thought it was the other way round (with witches)
~ sinks innocent;
~ floats guilty
What if Burke is not guilty?
Well he can sue Fairfax, the ABC, Tracey Spicer and the dozens of women making allegations against him and collect zillions in damages.
It won’t happen.
As many have pointed out, some of Burkes’s alleged behaviours to do amount to criminal acts.
That does not make it all right.
I ask any of the men here if they would like it if another man spoke to their partner using the words Burke is accused of?
Or if as is alleged he propositioned their teenage daughter via a fake offer of employment?
No crime maybe, but OK? Not with me.
Lib Pre-poll workers make give Special K the pop star treatment.
Burke’s case has come up now as a result of investigations sparked both by the #metoo movement and Weinstein in America.
Both suggested that the levels of sexual predation in the entertainment industry were higher than commonly thought, and as a result, various questions were asked.
Burke’s name was the one which came up most often and most consistently.
If a journalist investigates an issue and brings to light a series of complaints, even if these are decades old, should they cover them up? After all, the people who have spoken to the journalist are doing so in the expectation that these will be followed up.
The interesting thing with the Burke case is how many women are willing to put their names to complaints – which leaves them open to counter accusations.
If they’re all ‘disgruntled employees’ (and quite a few of them were never employed by Burke) it would be easy to counter their claims.
The industry – any industry – won’t change if its current (or even past) mores and procedures aren’t challenged.
Greensborough Growler @ #287 Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 11:13 am
She could have at least given them a T shirt. 🙂
Shouldn’t these kids be in school?
McDonald is obviously pissed that Divided Nation voters preferred Labor to the LNP.
And somehow that’s Labor’s fault. 🙂
I wonder what they said to O’Sullivan that altered his understanding of political reality?
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/11/28/banking-commission-would-give–false-hope-.html
Greensborough Growler @ #292 Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 11:32 am
Maybe they threatened to refer him to the HC over his alleged indirect pecuniary interest? 🙂
Barney in Go Dau @ #293 Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 3:36 pm
maybe they said Turnbull would be gone straight after the Bennelong by-election.
ItzaDream @ #285 Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 2:13 pm
Correct. The point is that the accused dies either way.
If guilty, the floating witch is fished from the water and burned so that god’s will may be done. If innocent, the accused experiences an honorable Christian death by drowning and is rewarded with eternity in heaven.
You know it all makes perfect sense!
Canavanserai
You Gov poll has Turnbull and Shorten even on the beuty contest of PPM.
http://fiftyacres.com.au/blog/2017/11/28/labor-pulls-further-ahead-of-coalition,-while-turnbull-and-shorten-are-tied/
The whole burning witches thing was based on:
There are references to witches in the Bible.
Therefore witches exist, all we have to do is find them.
The Bible says they must be killed.
….I always found it a bit gobsmacking to read a bit of legislation, passed by a Parliament, which started out with this piece of reasoning. Sort of makes you wonder what we accept as Absolute Truth now which will have our descendants gasping with disbelief in five centuries or so.
The picture above is a Caravanserai in Thesalonika, Greece, close to Matt’s ancesteral home – and probably the root of his surname.
A caravanserai (/kærəˈvænsəˌraɪ/)[1] was a roadside inn where travelers (caravaners) could rest and recover from the day’s journey.[2] Caravanserais supported the flow of commerce, information and people across the network of trade routes covering Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe, especially along the Silk Road.
These were found frequently along the Achaemenid Empire’s Royal Road, a 2,500-kilometre-long (1,600 mi) ancient highway that stretched from Sardis to Susa according to Herodotus: “Now the true account of the road in question is the following: Royal stations exist along its whole length, and excellent caravanserais; and throughout, it traverses an inhabited tract, and is free from danger.”[3] Major urban caravanserais were also built along the Grand Trunk Road in the Indian subcontinent, especially in the region of Mughal Delhi.