The latest Essential Research poll has Labor’s lead unchanged at 54-46. Beyond that, I’m a bit tied up at this point to discuss the attitudinal results (chief among which is 64% support for a royal commission into banking), but they are as ever summarised in The Guardian, and will be available in complete form when the full report is published later today, together with the primary vote numbers. I believe we should also have YouGov along later today.
UPDATE. YouGov/Fifty Acres: 53-47 to Labor
The fortnightly YouGov/Fifty Acres poll has Labor’s lead out to a new high of 53-47, but this is due to preferences rather than primary votes: Labor and the Coalition are now tied on 32% of the primary vote, after Labor led 34% to 31% last time, with One Nation steady on 11% and the Greens down a point to 10%. There is also a preferred prime minister question recording a 31% tie, with Malcolm Turnbull rated strong by 21%, weak by 41$ and neither by 30%.
The poll records an interestingly high level of support for constitutional change allowing dual citizens to run for office, with 46% in favour and 40% opposed. Also featured are national approval ratings for the Bennelong by-election candidates, both of whom do very well on both name recognition and personal support (40% favourable of John Alexander and 28% unfavourable; 39% and 29% for Kristina Keneally). Forty-six per cent support new religious protection laws in same sex marriage legislation, with 36% opposed; 55% say the government has a responsibility for the safety of asylum seekers on Manus Island, with 36% for the contrary. The poll was conducted Thursday to Monday from a sample of 1034.
The full Essential Research report has the Coalition up a point on the primary vote, to 36%, Labor steady on 38%, the Greens steady on 9% and One Nation steady on 8%. Sixty-four per cent of respondents favoured a banking royal commission, with only 12% opposed. Questions on the economy produced a mixed bag: 33% rate its state as good with 24% for poor, but 39% think it headed on the wrong direction compared with 31% for right. A question about economic issues of concern finds the highest ratings for anything to do with prices, particularly energy prices, and lesser but still substantial concern about income tax and interest rates. Forty-nine per cent supported incentives and subsidies to speed the transition from fossil fuels to renewables, 16% leaving it to the market, and 12% who wanted intervention to slow the process.
KayJay
a r is aware of the ‘reload’ button stopping working sometimes. He suggested it was common at the end of page 1 but hadn’t been able to understand why.
P1 also right, I believe, that it does occasionally stop at other random times.
Just a little note from my days visiting Aged Care Facilities.
One of the songs then enjoyed by the wonderful lady and gentleman residents together with a variety of visitors was “Home Among the Gum Trees”. A disclaiming introduction may now be in order.
Tis a pity this song by by Wally Johnson and Bob Brown will continue to be associated with what’s his name, Henery ❓
Bad timing by Labor unforseen to have presser at 12 as Brandis is now being covered
I won’t be surprised if they change the time
guytaur:
Don’t think it really matters. Noone besides lunatics like us ever bothers to watch these things live. The vast majority of people will be seeing the highlights in the evening news or embedded in online news articles.
Its drawing a long bow comparing media coverage of Burke and Joyce.
The former is accused of what may be criminal behaviour, we believe the latter has issues in his personal relationships.
I have issues with philanderers. It goes to their fundamental honesty. When they exhort others to live a certain way and but follow a different path I think maybe that hypocrisy should be exposed.
Since when has prejudice politics had anything to do with reality Steve? 🙂
Ross
One of the allegations and I stress its an unproven allegation is that Joyce chased a minor into a toilet.
If that allegation and I personally find it hard to believe a practised politician would do as alleged proves true that is of public interest.
I was outlining what I thought was worthy of breaching privacy.
Hypocrisy from someone preachingdiscrimination is one privacy should be exposed. Alleged criminal matters yes.
To our media’s credit they do this in our country. Its the hypocrisy thing they have trouble with.
See reporting on Pyne. It was not in our interest to know what type of porn a hacker accessed. It was in our interest that a Defence Minister phone may have been breached.
I tend to use the refresh f5 quite often.
I think I am up with whatever interests me and have emergency mouse c/w scroll wheel on standby in case of emergency.
I think I have occupied more than my share of space today and will now off to do some weed eatering/whipper snippering.
One more note, (poroti) all money collected by my clever plans will go toward destitute property developers.
😎 Sunny day in Newcastle. Temperature to 28℃
Brandis claiming equal marriage as a Coalition success while Labor wtte “didn’t want to know”.
Those new Brandis amendments seem to be required to update the definition of marriage in other legislation although I didn’t read the family law stuff. Surely those are important and Labor will support those that are necessary to enact marriage equality.
rossmcg says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:05 pm
Its drawing a long bow comparing media coverage of Burke and Joyce.
The former is accused of what may be criminal behaviour, we believe the latter has issues in his personal relationships.
Some of a Joyce’s behavior as reported on the internet ( who knows if it is true) goes a little further than “personal relationships”.
When it comes to cases of entirely consensual affairs by politicians, I think that – once it does become public knowledge – it’s fair enough for the news media to cover it and for people to make up their own about how it reflects on how trustworthy said politician may be. But I also personally consider that sort of stuff to generally be a distraction, and that there’s better things reporters could be doing than chasing scoops on whether someone is cheating on the partner. That said, poorly prioritizing which stories they cover is something a lot of reporters do incredibly well.
There’s is an argument to be made in favor of exposing such things when the politician in question has made a name for himself as a “family values” candidate and/or in trying to legislate how other consenting adults act in the bedroom. But it still feels pretty scummy to me.
Don Burke (and the likes of Roy Moore, Weinstein, Trump, Spacey, et al) is an entirely different case, and it is entirely justified and in the public interest for the media to cover such things.
EDIT: I’ll add that I actually know very little about Joyce’s own situation beyond some vague rumours.
michaelkoziol: The Senate has just passed the second reading of the same-sex marriage bill – the first time this has happened in Australia #auspol
That Labor presser now
I think consensual affairs of anyone should be off limits for the media. Non-consensual activities are an entirely different matter.
The over-rider for me is if the person is making their living from preaching one thing but doing the opposite in their own lives. That goes for more than just sex, too.
KJ @12:11
all money collected by my clever plans will go toward destitute property developers.
LOL KJ, you have struck another blow for the poor and underprivileged in OZ.
You have a future as a speechwriter for Brandis, or maybe Hanson!
You could start with “God has said, and, I think, Rightly said…” That would strike the right note of Sanctimonious arrogance.
This for example is not “personal relationship”. If it is true then National party and channel 9 are guilty of the same crime.
https://truecrimenewsweekly.com/2017/10/25/shocking-australias-deputy-pm-barnaby-joyce-alleged-to-have-stalked-molested-teen-girl-and-young-woman/
Puffy
Yes good summary.
guytaur:
First I’ve heard of this.
If it can be substantiated, then, yes, it is beyond a doubt something the media should be all over. But with the way allegations like this can tar a person for the rest of their lives, especially when children are involved, I can’t blame the news media for not wanting to touch it with a 100-ft pole if it’s just a rumour.
AL
Thats the crux. I hope the media is investigating. Investigating does not mean deciding to publish. Its called fact checking before you run a story.
guytaur: Fair point.
An affair is one thing.
An affair, or a pattern of affairs, with junior employees who you have substantial power over, is quite another.
frednk:
Yeah. I had a bit of a browse through that website and it is just a little difficult to take it seriously as a credible news source.
Regardless of how accurate or not its stories may be, it doesn’t seem very interested in dispassionate reporting, and clearly has a serious axe to grind against a lot of people. Notably the Coalition and the Greens.
Caf
I think there are laws regarding that with public officials. If not there should be.
If the media want to go after someone….especially organisations such as News Limited for eg, fact checking is nowhere near the top of their priorities…..smear first with full on front page, then if they’re wrong retract on page 59 with 1 inch column.
Guytaur
There was a link earlier in the day to a Washington Post story about how somebody tried to plant a fake story in the Moore sex scandal with a view to embarrassing the newspaper.
So getting the facts is important.
The MSM media will have their reasons for going soft on philandering MPs. I wonder if in this day and age “tradition” is good enough excuse.
Our politicians must look at how the UK tabloids handle such stories and wonder how they get away with it here.
Vis-vis George Brandis claiming the Liberas have the mantle on gay rights is not correct. Don Dunstan was the first premier to really try.
Following that Labor state governments took the mantle.
It just so happens that his party happens to be in power at the time. Its also important to not overlook their parties own inability to deal with the issue properly.
caf:
Another fair point.
Sonar
Yes. However I give Fairfax a little more credit than that. Its why even as its standards have slipped due to revenue drying up and resulting staff cuts. I think they have largely avoided the campaign journalism of the Murdoch Press and other like media.
I would also like to say thanks to the bludgers for keeping the discussion on the media and affairs polite and respectful
Asha Leu says:
Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:34 pm
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Yeah. I had a bit of a browse through that website and it is just a little difficult to take it seriously as a credible news source.
Agree. The difficulty is are we talking fake news; or a national party cover up. Windsor’s tweet does leave one wondering.
Remember its also fair to Joyceand in the public interest if someone is being malicious and making stuff up for media to write that story too. See Washington Post story on O Keefe GG posted earlier.
Every time I see Turnbull with JA, Turnbull just has to mention JA was a ‘champion’ tennis player and what the relevance of JA playing in the first post apartheid tennis tournament in South Africa has to do with being a member of the HoR is totally lost on me.
JA was a decent ‘journeyman’ tennis player and good enough to make a decent living out of it but no one ever thought he was ever in with a chance of winning one of the big open tournaments. He managed to win seven minor singles titles and 27 doubles titles.
Where he does deserve some credit is for in hanging in there and making himself available for twelve years of Davis Cup tennis when there was often not enough other likely ‘talent’ to fill the team spots.
My day is complete.
I have a very, very talented 18 year old grandaughter. She is really, and I mean really bright, plays the violin and guitar and sings very nicely. She looks a treat whatever the occasion and has won a swag of prizes from year twelve. Yes, I know, a lot to hate there.
Anyhow, she is quite good at the facial expressions and, when next I see her and attempt to get her singing something along the lines of
♫♪I hear the train a comin’
They’re going round the bend
and I can see a train wreck,
but I don’t know when
They’re stuck in nineteen fifty
and time is draggin’ on ♫♫
and at the same time she can be giving me handy hints on how to improve my phony sanctimonious appearance.
I will be trying to go for the “Flash Harry” look as played by the wonderful George Cole in the St. Trinians movies of the 1950 so familiar to every LNP and National (Country) MP.
I now repair to check EBay for a suitable Flash Harry moustache to bolster my apparent (although non-exestent) credentials.
I have finished all my gardening today. Bloody hot and bothered and time for a sausage sandwich and then a little rest.
☮ ✌ :sausage sandwich emoji:
Aspley just updated in Qld. of 9 still listed as seats in doubt.
None of the others have been updated since yesterday so i think we will see a few more later today.
ABC still showing 48 to ALP.
sonar @ Tuesday, November 28th, 2017 – 12:34 pm Comment #175
That’s the reason the Murdoch newspapers hate the Australian Press Council – their orders on ‘retractions’ usually order the ‘Apology/Retraction’ to be placed on the same page, in the same location with the same prominence (same size fonts, bolding, etc.).
Keenan on doing the predictable ‘TERROR ATTACK AVERTED’ press conference.
I didn’t see how many of the press attended. Not very many I’d say.
Re Don Burke, Barnaby Joyce and what has now apparently become an open season for raising allegations of sexual harassment/misconduct against any public figure.
I have to say that I’m quite uncomfortable with it. Most of the allegations I’ve seen against Burke relate to interactions between him and people who worked for him or Channel 9, with a smaller number seeming to relate to interactions in private social life (acknowledging, of course, that it is not easy to draw a distinction between the public and private lives of a public figure).
If criminal activity isn’t alleged, I’m not really sure what can be done about the allegations about Burke’s activities in his social life. But, for the ones involving his workplace behaviour, the people who should be being asked to answer for these are not Burke, but the people who employed him and/or contracted his company to produce programs for the TV network that they managed.
It appears that some of the allegations were raised with them at the time, and, whatever action they took, it doesn’t seem as if it was enough. There were presumably also allegations that were not raised with them at the time because the people affected did not feel that those allegations would be properly addressed. The executives of the network are also fully responsible for this problem IMO.
What we are now seeing is Burke himself being subjected to a pretty horrible case of trial by media. I’m not suggesting he’s an innocent victim here, but I think he’s the wrong target in a bad process. Allegations such as these should be investigated internally, and then, if there is evidence of criminal activity, that evidence should be provided to the police/DPP.
The witch hunts of the middle ages persecuted some people who were actually witches and many who were not. Either way, the whole thing was appalling and it isn’t acceptable now. That’s why we have police, courts and other forms of due process for addressing allegations.
MB
The problem is culture and cover up. Thats what the story is actually about. Its why someone suggested is Burke the first in a line.
Its like Weinstein.
With Burke we don’t have the full story yet as recently as yesterday 200 people spoke up.
I agree with the trial by media point.
However its what happens when the proper authorities don’t do their jobs. Just as we saw with organisations that were exposed by the Child Abuse Royal Commisssion. It took media investigation to get that going.
Same with calls for a banking royal commission. Media doing its job when others fail to.
Same with the Don Dale 4 Corners report.
How this is going to end up is not clear but someone could end up going to jail. It could be Burk himself one of his bosses for breaches of workplace safety laws or someone yet to be named.
Its good that the culture is being exposed.
Look at last nights media watch to get a good perspective.
Another thing that’s bothering me today – and this relates to the Essential Research findings at the top of this page- is the Royal Commission into the banks that it now appears we are certain to have.
It’s a really good political tactic for Labor to line up with some of the more out there elements of the Queensland LNP and demand that this occurs. It’s a tactic which is certainly causing a lot of trouble for the Government. If that’s the goal, then fair enough I guess.
But is the idea of a Royal Commission into the banks really a good one? When I read the arguments that Shorten and Leigh put forward in its favour, they seem to me to be fairly weak: they are talking about “scandals” and the need to make sure they don’t happen again.
The scandals they are referring to certainly weren’t great, but time has moved on a fair bit since they happened. And are they instances of systemic problems? I haven’t seen convincing evidence that they are.
Royal Commissions are hugely expensive and time-consuming exercises. Is this going to be the best use of all that taxpayers’ money? I’m not sure: on the whole, I reckon the Australian banking sector operates pretty well and provides a good service to all of us. If we have the Royal Commission, we will no doubt here a lot of complaints from people who over-extended their borrowing and/or made risky investment decisions motivated by an incorrect belief that they could make large and rapid returns with no risk. And some poor (albeit well-remunerated) judge will have the job of trying to work out whether these individual bad experiences all add up to a set of systemic problems. Is a judge the best-qualified sort of person to do this?
Yes, I know that, if we want to play tit for tat, the Abbott Government set up two politicised Royal Commissions: so, yes, I agree that Turnbull can’t be on the moral high ground when he complains about this. But is every public policy debate these days purely about political point-scoring? (A rhetorical questions: I think I know the answer.)
Try suggesting to some of the women who have complained about Burke that HE is a victim.
The people who knew will be called to account, just as those who covered up abuse of children in the various church hierarchies have been called to account.
It will just take time.
shaunmicallef: Eric casts himself as the mighty salmon, which swims upstream to lay its eggs. What Eric forgets though is that, depending on the water temperature, salmon will often change their sex. #perfectlynatural
smh.com.au/federal-politi…
https://twitter.com/shaunmicallef/status/935310220271665152
guytaur: “Its like Weinstein.”
Not really. Weinstein was a media mogul: he owned the company, so there wasn’t really anywhere his alleged victims could go to complain about him short of the police.
The allegations that have now been made against Weinstein clearly involve criminal conduct. The allegations against Burke mainly appear to be that, as a boss and social companion, he was extremely sleazy towards females and that, in some cases involving employees, his behaviour might have constituted workplace harassment.
Rossm: “Try suggesting to some of the women who have complained about Burke that HE is a victim.”
He might well be a bad man (but this needs to be proven by due process), but he’s also certainly a victim of trial by media: a concerted attack by the industry that nurtured him to success, and has brought to my mind Jesus’s statement about people casting the first stone.
MB
When we first heard of Weinstein we did not have the full story either.
Burke had his own production company. That made him a boss.
My comparison with Weinstein was on the culture and cover up.
I thought I made that clear by outlining that it might not be Burke going to jail.
With reference to my post above I think Bushfire Bill might find it very possible.
Keep digging Meher, eventually you will want to crawl into the hole.
Meher Baba
Towards the end of Burke’s Backyard it was run by CTC productions and not Chanel 9. Burke owned CTC Productions. We have allegations from staff of CTC from that time onwards. In that regards it is similar to Weinstein.