The latest Essential Research result appears to have Labor leading 54-46 (it says 52% to 46% in the report, but it also says there is no change). GhostWhoVotes was somehow able to relate that the primary votes were Coalition 35% (down one), Labor 38% (steady), Greens 9% (steady) and One Nation 8% (steady). The poll finds 47% saying the government should run its full term, compared with 37% who favour an early election. Thirty-six per cent said they expected Labor to win the next election, compared with 20% for the Coalition, and 18% for a hung parliament.
The poll also found 63% of the view that marriage celebrants should be allowed to refuse to officiate at same-sex weddings, with 27% opposed. Other related issues were finely balanced: 48% opposed the notion that businesses should have the right to refuse service to gay weddings, while 43% supported it; 42% supported parents being able to remove their children from classes that did not reflect a traditional view of marriage, while 44% were opposed.
Guytaur
Absolutely.
The trouble with Labor’s “hate greens” strategy is that those Teal voters will NOT go Labor. They will go Sex Party, Democrat, Animal Justice or whatever rather than Labor first. The best that Labor can hope for is a second preference. If Greens did not stand they would probably go LNP.
The trouble with targeting the Red greens, is that these by and large are the activists and the hardest to turn. Moreover as Labor moves to the centre on issues such as immigration they will be harder to win over.
There could of course be a split in the Greens given the divergence between the teal and red wings, but probably not.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/11/20/anti-gay-evangelical-tony-perkins-covered-up-sexual-assault-claims-against-politician/
Thats alleged cover up
dtt logic
Teal Greens will not vote for Labor,
but
Red Greens are the hardest to turn to Labor. 🙂
Arent Red Greens the watermelons?
I thought Labor turfed their socialists a long time ago.
Bushfire Bill (AnonBlock)
Tuesday, November 21st, 2017 – 8:12 am
Comment #32
“One thing Lambie said last night did resonate: the nation is rudderless.”
And has been since K Rudd lost office September 2013.
🙂
That Zanetti cartoon is just so dumb on so many levels that it’s a wonder that it got approved for publication. Oh wait….
sprocket @ comment 2
re’ Teal Greens/Red Greens
I assume this was a bit of work done to consolidate/encapsulate the outcomes of many polls like NewsPoll / Essential and also of the experiences and opinions of Labor people doing door knocking, handing out HTV’s, etc in the targeted inner city electorates in Sydney and Melbourne (Brisbane?).
Rather than Teal Greens it should be Cyan Greens . Cyan ,half way between blue and green and usefully associated with Cyanobacteria aka blue green algae. Inner city blue-green algal blooms are certainly proving toxic for Labor.
Lulz, poroti. 🙂
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/11/18/please-stop-annoying-this-nasa-scientist-with-your-ridiculous-planet-x-doomsday-theories/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news&utm_term=.254782258951
Another doomsday prediction that failed to eventuate.
guardian: Kent grammar school announces plans for ‘unsafe space’ including Mein Kampf trib.al/zNLPgKI
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/932726190938492929
joshuabadge: @guardian Of course, the cure for “political correctness” [sic] is literal Nazism
SpaceKidette: EQUALITY. EQUALITY. EQUALITY.
Equal without conditions.
I’d probably be a red green if I didn’t understand how incompetent and ineffectual the greens are.
I plan on campaigning for whatever Labor candidate is running against Adam Bandt in my local electorate next year.
Most of these red greens are democratic socialists and big supporters of Saunders / Corbyn and don’t believe the Labor party is sufficiently to the left policy-wise. The challenge is going to be convincing these people that removing negative gearing, restoring penalty rates and so on can only be acheived under a Labor government.
I assume that Di Natale is not one of the red greens. He seems to have done nicely out of neo-Liberal econonomics.
After all, his block in a highly gentrified innerburb probably cost around $1 million and the rebuild is costing him $800,000. He will benefit immensely from the capital gains treatment of the family home. He may be into a bit of negative gearing. Who knows?
Those au pair savings are definitely coming in handy for him right now.
Plus, his innerburb are very well insulated against the outerburb riffraff.
Real environmentalists, the ones who delivered the Wet Tropics, the Tasmanian Wilderness outcomes, Fraser Island, and protection of the Reef from oil drilling must be wondering about the Greens Party.
Because the Greens Party is not delivering environmental outcomes.
Blue Greens; Cyan Green; Teal Green.
I prefer ‘fake environmentalists’.
Or possibly neo-Varoufakirs.
This is why Barry O’Sullivan wants to target Industry Super Funds in his ‘Banking’ Inquiry:
‘Not-for-profit superannuation takes 25 of the top 30 return positions’
Not-for-profit superannuation funds have dramatically outperformed for-profit retail funds, taking the first 23 of the top 30 positions over 10 years to September 2017, according to new research from SuperRatings…
SuperRatings CEO Kirby Rappell said there were a couple of reasons explaining the not-for-profit outperformance.
“There is fee drag caused by higher fees in the retail sector and a difference in asset allocation that sees not-for-profits with bigger exposures to alternative assets,” he said.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/superannuation/2017/11/20/not-for-profit-super-top-30/
BW
Nice rant. Dr Bob Brown backs Di Natale as a real environmentalist. He disagrees with you.
Albo presser on HOR not sitting on news 24 now
yep. The banks having their hands on super is as per a recent advertisement, the foxes being in charge of the hen house
DiNatale is an environmentalist, he has solar panels, a small water tank planned for his new digs, and he has his own coffee cup for takeaways.
All the green credentials required to be a teal green
Zoomster
“A six-month survey”
I dont think this is what a focus “group” is.
It’s really not that complicated.
Poor, no conscience -> Nats or ON.
Poor, half a conscience -> Labor
Poor, a conscience -> Red Greens.
Rich, no conscience -> Liberals
Rich, half a conscience -> Swing voters between Lib and Labor
Rich, a conscience -> Teal Greens
The only thing teal greens have to do with Liberal voters is that they are well off and educated.
“DiNatale is an environmentalist, he has solar panels, a small water tank planned for his new digs, and he has his own coffee cup for takeaways.
All the green credentials required to be a teal green”
I’d probably have solar panels to if I could afford to buy them or a house to put them on.
Google: Coalition MP threatens to quit
The Australian reporting a Coalition MP threatening to quit unless Turnbull replaced with a conservative.
Does the timing of Malcolm’s “tax-cuts” announcement suggest that he thinks there may be an election rather soon?
Yes Barney
Perfectly logical. Sorry you find it hard.
They are two quite separate groups with different values and agendas.
Honestly matey please do not call me out on logic, especially when you cannot follow it.
Firstly the teal green voters are middle class and wealthy. They are the group that Ratsak et al hate so much. They see them as liberal light. In terms of VOTERS, they may well have a valid point. (But then many a racist homophobe once voted Labor, but it did not reflect the ALP.)
The teal voters are NOT natural Labor voters. They are by and large anti union and certainly anti suburbs. They will vote for noice middle class ALP candidates, but not for obviously “worker” candidates. They will be turned off by any sense of double dealing or union thuggery or ALP factional in-fighting. They liked Rudd but not Gillard because he spoke well, was educated and not obviously a factional union player. I suspect but cannot be sure on this that by and large they will be protestant not Catholic ie state schools or independent, but not your local Christian Bros.
The red- greens are very often the old left of the ALP, and are ideologically committed. They really care about genuine Labor values but focus more on the social issues – immigration, human rights, foreign relations and green issues. Now this group will probably always give second preference to Labor – they will not vote Lib BUY they will be the angriest about moves to the middle.
Now is that logical enough for you BigD
Bleurgh
A green policy Labor wants is community solar hubs. So renters and people who can’t afford the cost of installing solar panels is met in other ways.
Given power prices thats a huge vote winner. Taking power bills down close to zero means that money goes into the voters pocket.
Of course any sensible person that can afford the capital cost is doing it.
Without support for the poor the renewables policy we have now is increasing inequality in net income
If a coalition MHR quits the party, it will be embarrassing for Turnbull but it won’t bring the government down. That’s because he or she will vote with the government on virtually everything anyway. It’s just a stunt.
“Does the timing of Malcolm’s “tax-cuts” announcement suggest that he thinks there may be an election rather soon?”
Yup i reckon. 🙂
Sad for them that they are deploying “fist full of dollars” so far out from the campaign proper.
suspect they are fwarked.
Come on, guys, why are we all bothering with the interminable Labor/Greens squabbling when we can just sit back and enjoy the show of the Turnbull government disintegrating before our eyes.
billshortenmp: Hanging out with @KKeneally on a ripper Sydney morning, talking to voters in Bennelong. pic.twitter.com/FrnoSWyhsz
Interesting there is no LNP signage at the train station I can see
This is from the Royal Commissions Act 1902.
Does it mean the GG can ignore the parliament as he sees fit? How bad would it look if the parliament vote to enact a RC and the GG said “no thanks”.
1A Power to issue Royal Commission
Without in any way prejudicing, limiting, or derogating from the power of the King, or of the Governor‑General, to make or authorise any inquiry, or to issue any commission to make any inquiry, it is hereby enacted and declared that the Governor‑General may, by Letters Patent in the name of the King, issue such commissions, directed to such person or persons, as he or she thinks fit, requiring or authorising him or her or them or any of them to make inquiry into and report upon any matter specified in the Letters Patent, and which relates to or is connected with the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth, or any public purpose or any power of the Commonwealth
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00603
daretotread says:
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 8:47 am
Guytaur
Absolutely.
…..those Teal voters will NOT go Labor.
…..the Red greens….. the hardest to turn.
Quite right. The conclusion to be drawn by Labor is the Gs are best left to their own devices and, as far as possible, ignored.
🦆WARNING🦆
For the love of all held sacred, do not mention the word TEAL in the presence of a duck hunter. 🙏
Thenkyew.
KK is 48 years old apparently. But she doesn’t look a day over 40 in my view.
Moksha,
That’s why the proposal is for a Parliamentary Inquiry, not an RC. It’s the same as an RC except it’s set and reports to the Parliament not the executive. The GG probably wouldn’t even be officially notified, let alone be required to approve.
Voice Endeavour says:
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 9:17 am
The only thing teal greens have to do with Liberal voters is that they are well off and educated.
They share a phobia. They are Labor-negative.
Ante Meridian @ #78 Tuesday, November 21st, 2017 – 9:28 am
So it’s George Christensen then? 🙂
briefly @ #87 Tuesday, November 21st, 2017 – 9:45 am
And Unions negative, for some ungodly reason!
AM and Cat
Labor wins Bennelong and its not a stunt
Whether or not the unnamed MP actually quits, the tension generated by the story will not be good for Turnbull’s blood pressure. As for Bishop, I don’t think she actually cares much one way or the other. After all, she realises the LNP is doomed at the next election and will be planning for life post-politics in the much more exciting world of high fashion and cocktail parties.
KayJay
Because a TEAL is too big for duck hunters ? You may even remember them…
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Imacca- I reckon Malkie knows that when everybody puts their cards on the table, he will have no choice but to call a new election. He’s just trying to get past Christmas before he is forced to do that.
Moksha
This is from the Royal Commissions Act 1902.
Does it mean the GG can ignore the parliament as he sees fit? How bad would it look if the parliament vote to enact a RC and the GG said “no thanks”.
From what I’ve read the big stumbling block to a RC is the funding for it. Parliament may vote for a RC but needs the govt/ cabinet to approve funding for it. tones was hesitant on extra funding for the RC into child abuse which would have effectively terminated the RC at that point with only findings to date.
I think the other option is a commission of inquiry, maybe like a parliamentary inquiry, but not sure of its powers to compel people to come before it.
Cat
Again don’t fall for briefly’s view. Greens work with unions.
The exception being about Gonski with the Education Union.
Thats why Rhiannon was right and why I think Di Natale is not good for the Greens.
They need to change leaders and to win in NSW lose Rhiannon.
Thats way they can be a third party that gets the voters that will never vote Labor because Labor but will vote for sensible progressive policies.
“He’s just trying to get past Christmas before he is forced to do that.”
I think much depends on #LibLeadershit, but couldn’t disagree with your assessment.
Read somewhere yesterday ( can’t remember where ) that there could be up to 25 Coalition MP’s who fail S44. Not sure if true. Could be pure BS. But makes for a great conspiracy theory….lol
Thanks Ratsak and Boris
dtt,
Once again you miss the point.
The lack of logic was not in your argument but in your use of language.
Something that is possible can not be harder to do than something that is not.
This is another feature of your writing that can make it difficult to read and comprehend. 🙂
Sonar
The theory has legs given the level of competence we have seen on checking that box of admin for the lNP.
🙂