Newspoll has Labor’s lead back at 53-47 after a 54-46 blowout a fortnight ago, with primary votes at 37% for the Coalition (up two), 38% for Labor (steady), 9% for the Greens (steady) and 8% for One Nation (down one). Both Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten are on 34% approval and 54% disapproval, which means one-point drops in both for Turnbull, and no change for Shorten. Oddly, Malcolm Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister has blow out to 46-29, from 43-33. Paywalled report from The Australian here.
How about that arsewipe of Abbott table his docs now
Rex Douglas
Are the alt-Shorten supporters now angry with Bill for producing the papers ?
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On principle I don’t think he should have done it. But from the perspective of political advantage it was beautifully timed.
TPOF
Agreec
zoomster
The Labor tactics team played the LNP like a fiddle today. First the birther Trump look for Abbott. Then Turnbull parroting Abbott and thus Trump.
Then BOOM!!!!! Produce the proof while outlining the rejection of the need to do so for all MP”s to disprove tin foil hat conspiracy theories.
Just brilliant.
TPOF @ #306 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:25 pm
Why shouldn’t all members have to prove the eligibilty ?
We citizens have to provide our bone fides on a daily basis on numerous occasions.
“On principle I don’t think he should have done it. But from the perspective of political advantage it was beautifully timed.”
Wasn’t it but. ALP is playing this lot like a well tuned lute.
Agree
CTar1 @ #204 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 12:44 pm
Yep. Let them make it the story of the day first. Now it all looks like bluster.
vic
I think that he has no need to ‘table’ his confirmation letter.
It’s been seen.
Labor wins the debate on citizenship, LNP are Frausters.
Quite amusing the turnaround from the alt-Shorten types.
One day… ‘NO NO don’t produce the papers!!!”
Next day… ‘BRILLIANT TACTICS TO PRODUCE THE PAPERS!!!’
😆
Rex and you do nothing type just bash Shorten, you fool
zoidlord @ #318 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:33 pm
thanks for that 🙂
RD
Just so you know. You have outed yourself. The Alt phrase is used by neo nazis in the US. Your eagerness to take this up to bash Shorten leaves your political leaning in very suspect territory at least with the company it is keeping.
I won’t be responding again so I will just ignore your rejoinder .
Rex,
I like the way your psychological projection, like a mirror, perfectly inverts your own position.
You are the one who made a big deal about it.
Zoidlord, the new format allows blocking of nuisance posters and trolls. My day is a lot better since I started using it
I suspect Turnbull will now require Shorten to product his birth certificate in order to prove he was born. I mean, how can Australians trust a man who may not even exist?
Rex Douglas @ #311 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:30 pm
And my argument always was with the mountain you were making out of this Shorten molehill. Just like the Liberals. Funny that.
Rex
You just admitted that you are a troll,
Thanks for that.
C@tmomma @ #324 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:36 pm
Bill Shorten made it a mountain by stalling the tabling of his papers.
It wouldn’t have been an issue had he had the sense to do it immediately.
Will Rex now congratulate Shorten for producing the papers?
No Rex
You got it all wrong
Shorten had a strategy and it seems have worked because it forced Abbotts big mouth.
@ Guytaur – the phrases ‘alt right’ and ‘alt-right’ are much more common than ‘alt left’ and ‘alt-left’.
It’s not just the right who add the term alt as a prefix to things to portray them in a negative light.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=alt%20left,alt%20right,alt-left,alt-right
I know I’m always too kind to Murphy, but compare her live politics coverage in the Guardian to Fairfax today. Much better.
zoidlord @ #328 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:41 pm
I’d suggest the disastrous newspoll PPM triggered Bill Shortens backflip.
Agree, Dio.
Diogenes @ #250 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 2:05 pm
Rex Douglas @ #324 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:39 pm
No. As it was stated by Samantha Maiden earlier on this afternoon, and which point you appear to have completely ignored, Bill Shorten did not want to do it all along because of the precedent it would set. Now, any Tom, Dick or Rex can demand potential Prime Ministers produce papers. It’s a slippery ‘Birther’ slope that any sensible person would not want to go down. Future Prime Ministers should not be at the beck and call of every man and their barking dog. If you can’t see that as a principle worth fighting for, then you are the one with the problem. That Bill has had to do what he has done today to shut the junkyard dogs like you and Tony Abbott up is simply a reflection on you and them, not him.
Forgive me for not recognising anything Samantha Maiden has to say.
No Rex
That’s according to Snowy 2.0 fuzz.
I’d suggest it has more to do with the beginning of parliament. IF the Lib’s want to play MAD, as they did today, then the time to play is when parliament is sitting.
Yes, I think Labor suspected that Shorten went down in newspoll because he didn’t release his documents. Problem solved! Over to you, Malcolm.
Dump wants a war with N Korea while mass refugee is still going on no thanks!
Refugee Council @OzRefugeeCounc
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Any discussion on whether BS should have tabled his documents probably needs to consider the below from the ABC liveblog
Labor is now targeting Liberal MP Ann Sudmalis, who has faced questions after revelations she listed her nationality as “British-Australian” on an incoming passenger card in 1966.
The Member for Gilmore was born in Australia, but her mother Valerie Pybus was a British immigrant. Ms Sudmalis has dismissed the controversy, saying she never held British citizenship.
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s office has pointed out that on August 25, Ms Sudmalis said she would produce her documents when Mr Shorten showed his.
Here’s the quote:
As soon as Bill Shorten tables his paperwork, I’ll put mine on the table.
sspencer_63: Over to you @Ann_SudmalisMP
Plibersek’s question in QT was a ripper today. She asked Joyce to table all (wtte) his ministerial decisions since it became known that he was probably a dual citizen.
Turnbull was forced into his Kenyatta routine of telling the High Court how it ought to interpret the Constitution.
It also raised an important threshold issue: when the High Court decides that Joyce is ineligible then ALL decisions made as a direct consequence are called into question as well.
Politically, this rips the scabs off the bleeding wounds of all the Government’s cuts to the poor, women, children and workers and all their gifts to their wealthy mates.
Voice Endeavour @ #296 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:22 pm
Was it you who claimed that gas was too expensive to use for baseload generation? This was clearly wrong, and you should just accept that with good grace. And this even without a proper gas reservation policy, which would drive the price of domestic gas down to match international levels.
During the discussion about whether or not any new gas plants would be built (and they are being built, at least in SA) I pointed out that first we would first expect to see existing gas plants that were underutilized being reactivated (like Pelican Point and now Tamar Valley), then we might see other plants being converted to gas (this is happening in the US, but not here yet). Only then would it make sense to build new plants.
My record on this is pretty good so far. Let’s see what happens next.
guytaur @ #341 Monday, September 4th, 2017 – 3:54 pm
A full audit is required.
Have Aung Sunn Su Kyi and/or Buddhism suffered brand damage among Greens Party supporters as a consequence of the Ethnic Cleansing cum Genocide in Myannmar?
Or don’t the Greens do goose gander?
Rex,
As you no doubt have pointed out, why wouldn’t the ALP want a round of MAD? They have far less to lose?
Today the government walked straight into it.
Is there even a Tony Dalton?
Federal Politics @PoliticsFairfax
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@ Boerwar – to answer the 2nd half of that, us Greens supporters tend not to judge an entire religion based on the actions of a small minority of people twisting their religion for cynical purposes.
There are a lot of Buddhists in the world, and the vast majority of them have done nothing wrong. Why would Buddhism have suffered brand damage?
There was an excellent article in Crikey the other day in which a scribe eviscerated Dutton for his serial white anting of the rule of law in Australia.
The alt Right have just had another despicable victory in the same destructive landscape: making false accusations and then reversing the onus of truth.
The Right are wreckers.
BW,
I agree. Shorten’s letter is FAKE NEWS!!!
Tony Dalton is a ACTOR!
Cat
As a loving grandfather I have passed the link onto my children
@ P1 – I was the one who made the claim that the vast majority of any potential contribution of gas to stopping climate change will be by supporting renewables, not by directly displacing coal.
Q
And I bet you that if someone can get of the actor’s signature it will not look anything like the forged signature on the fraudulent document forced out of Bill Shorten to try to hide his crimes.
I demand that the document be made available to forgery experts for a forensic investigation.
NOW!!!!
Those of us returning to BP
Shorten has produced his renounciation? (ie ratsak below) to forced Sudmalis to show hers?