Essential Research: 53-47 to Labor

The public evenly divided on dual citizens and One Nation Senators in burqas in federal parliament, with little change on voting behaviour.

No change to Labor’s 53-47 lead on two-party preferred from Essential Research this week, with the Coalition steady at 37% on the primary vote, Labor down one to 36%, Greens up one to 10% and One Nation steady on 8%. Other questions find an even split of opinion on whether dual citizens should be allowed to serve in parliament, with 41% for yes and 40% for no, and identical results for a question on whether the affected ministers should stand down. Fifty-nine per cent support a “citizenship audit” of parliamentarians, with 25% opposed. Pauline Hanson’s burqa stunt drew 39% approval and 38% disapproval. Forty per cent deemed the tax system fair compared with 51% for not fair, with majorities agreeing that corporations and “some wealthy people” don’t pay their fair share. Respondents were hard pressed to separate the last four prime ministerships as best/least bad, but with the order of preference running Rudd, Turnbull, Gillard, Abbott. This week’s survey was conducted Thursday to Monday from a sample of 1027, with the voting intention numbers being a combined result including last week’s survey.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

1,196 comments on “Essential Research: 53-47 to Labor”

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  1. Yabba. A lot of processes cannot be turned off, but can be throttled to some extent. And a lot are very inefficient.
    There’s also a lot of power being used in the retail/commercial sector powering systems that just aren’t needed but no one has given any thought to.

  2. Simon Katich @ #67 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 6:44 pm

    KB
    my post was a comment on the misleading headline given to the poll by Sky News.

    Regardless of the lies, damn lies and statistics behind it all; I personally think the question is just a little silly.

    I think it is an excellent question with very interesting results. Among other things it is an antidote to the kind of culture-warring that would see the order as either Gillard, Rudd, Turnbull, Abbott or Abbott, Turnbull, Rudd, Gillard depending on side of the fence.

    My take is that all these governments were poor but Rudd’s had the excuse of the GFC and also handled the GFC well. Then again I think there have been few good Australian governments through history.

    Concerning Abbott, I found him incompetent but surprisingly harmless as PM. Since being given the boot he has returned to his normal extreme behaviour.

  3. [confessions
    Barney:

    Surely that ad doesn’t pass the truth in advertising regulations? Unbelievable.]

    I can just imagine the “No” adds starting with WTTE;

    “MY religious beliefs …”

    “I can not accept homosexuality …”

    “I’m very conservative and believe traditions should not change …”

    “My whole concept of self worth is built around …”

  4. cudchewer, in my direct experience very few of the industrial processes can be ‘throttled’, and, in any case that would only ensure that they became inefficient, and wasted valuable production time and support services. I have built comprehensive financial models of many of these, and have a detailed knowledge of their cost structures, and the degree of variability of the costs of the full range of inputs. I stand by my statement, and I do know what I’m posting about.

  5. Barney:

    What I meant was the deliberate statement that in other countries where SSM was legal kids in school had their dress code dictated, and were ordered to play a same-sex attracted student in the school play. Is there evidence of this happening in NZ, UK and US states where marriage equality is reality?

  6. ratsak
    Mr Newbie @ #58 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 6:30 pm

    It’s bizarre that the Turmoil government ranks better than the Abbott one. Surely there is little difference between the two, other than the shonky salesman fronting it.

    At least Abbott actually believed in some of the crap he was pushing. It was stupid and appealed to a small cohort of loons, but at least he represented something slightly larger than his own ambition. I rank him over Trumble for that alone.

    Not in my book. Abbott was very unsettling for people. He’s erratic, impulsive, vindictive manipulative and reactionary and these are his best points. He made people feel physically unwell. Power simply does not belong in the hands of the crazy. And Abbott actually is crazy.

    I can recall door knocking in the run-down to the Canning by-election. When asked what they thought of Abbott, voters would simply roll their eyes before a pervasive glumness settled over them. They rejoiced when he was removed. Really, he upsets people. He is unfit for power. Completely unfit.

    Turnbull is weakness, cynicism and false promise…but he is not actually crazy.

  7. It’s Time
    I think vehicle utilisation rates are only of the order of 3%. This allows for quite a bit of flexibility in time of availability.

  8. I did read, with the requisite attention, all the papers produced by Her Majesty’s government and none of those is actually satisfactory.

    So there is still an enormous amount of issues which remain to be settled.

    Not just on the border problems regarding Ireland and Northern Ireland, which is a very serious problem in respect of which we have had no definitive response, but we also have the status of European citizens living in the UK and UK citizens living on the continent.

    We need to be crystal clear that we will commence no negotiations on the new relationship – particularly a new economic and trade relationship – between the UK and the EU before all these questions are resolved.

    First of all we settle the past before we look forward to the future.

    Juncker tells the UK they are wasting precious time…

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/aug/29/executive-pay-tuc-boss-says-mays-plans-to-curb-excessive-executive-pay-are-feeble-politics-live

  9. confessions @ #106 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 8:37 pm

    in other countries where SSM was legal kids in school had their dress code dictated

    Um, isn’t this already the case in Australia? Or at least, whenever I see schoolkids around here they’re always wearing uniforms. It’s awful. But clearly has nothing whatsoever to do with SSM being legal, because it isn’t yet and the kids are already being forced into uniforms.

    and were ordered to play a same-sex attracted student in the school play

    Surely participation in the school play is optional and voluntary? It would be in the US, at least. And school plays are usually things like Death of a Salesman, or Hamlet, or similar. What typical school play features same-sex attracted students in the first place?

    Is there evidence of this happening in NZ, UK and US states where marriage equality is reality?

    In the US marriage equality is legal at the Federal level (thanks, Supreme Court). The public school curriculum/admin is set independently by each state.

    It should be safe to conclude that there can be no connection between marriage equality and anything that happens in US public schools as a result. The relevant authorities are different and completely independent of each other.

  10. Trog Sorrenson @ #109 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 8:46 pm

    It’s Time
    I think vehicle utilisation rates are only of the order of 3%.

    Is that measured by time, or distance? For EV’s distance seems most appropriate. As in [typical daily travel kms] / [total kms in a full charge]. That should approximate how much “extra” capacity is available as general-purpose storage.

  11. ar
    It’s by time. For vehicle batteries to be used we will need a smart grid.
    Utilisation will go up once vehicles become autonomous with joint ownership and Uber like services proliferating.

  12. AR:

    I know. I just think it incredible that such an ad can run on Oz TVs (assuming of course it has as I’ve not seen it), and not fall foul of the advertising standards board.

  13. Trog Sorrenson @ #109 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 8:46 pm

    It’s Time
    I think vehicle utilisation rates are only of the order of 3%. This allows for quite a bit of flexibility in time of availability.

    Utilisation rate misses the point. It the electric vehicle is needed to supplement the highest demand period of late afternoon/early evening, it will either not be available to the network because it is being used for commuting or be available but in a partially discharged state.

    No value in 97% availability when it’s not available when you need it most.

    I think the most optimistic scenario would look like:
    Charge vehicle during day at parking station from solar.
    Consume 1/6 capacity commuting home.
    Consume 1/3 in domestic evening peak usage.
    1/3 retained capacity for reserve and battery health.
    Consume 1/6 capacity commuting to parking station.

  14. Good evening all,

    It looks like the Daily Telegraph is going to have another crack at Kathy Gallagher tomorrow and will accuse Labor and Bill Shorten of ” lying ” and of ” rank hypocrisy “.

    It will be interesting to see where this ends up. The silence has been deafening today with the lack of any ” expert opinion” contradicting what Kathy Gallagher stated this morning so we shall see if the Telegraph has gone to the trouble of actually seeking confirmation or is just throwing muck.

    Cheers.

  15. I don’t have a second for Abbott Briefly. Far from it. Crazy is absolutely a fair description. But Trumble is worse than that. Your garden variety oddball like Abbott can and should have been relegated to the fringes relatively easily. His beliefs are nuts and dangerous, but it’s not like he’s actually any good at hiding what a nutjob he is. Abbott becoming PM is the equivalent of Malcolm Roberts becoming PM. It took an absolutely heroic effort of willful blindness on the part of the nation to hold their nose and vote for the idiot, along with a superhuman effort of propaganda combined with a once in several generations effort of suicidal bastardry from Labor.

    But like KB I think after the veil was lifted and people stopped kidding themselves about him he actually became quite harmless. Nauseating, sure, but more dangerous to himself than anyone.

    Trumble is a different breed. His complete emptiness explains why so many projected and for some strange reason continue to project their hopes on him. He doesn’t believe in issues like Marriage Equality. He believes in nothing except himself. Someone who believes in something creates a framework or a plan in order to achieve it. Trumble has never had any plan to achieve any of the things people project on him as believing in once he became PM. He just had a plan to get to be PM. Now the only plan is to remain PM for as long as possible. Of course Abbott was far from above using and abusing people for the same ends, but Trumble is another layer of vicious indifference.

    Everything is a transaction to him. Because he is inherently weak his most favoured transaction is to sell out. Usually any fool that puts their trust in him. His history is littered with people or causes he has sold out to get ahead or just stay in the game a bit longer. As a master spiv many don’t realise what he is until after he’s sold them down the river, whereas Abbott’s creepiness is visible from space. But that just makes him more dangerous. It allows him to get away with selling out long after he’s even done the deed with some. His complete emptiness means he has no limits. So long as he comes out ahead in the transaction then that’s all that matters. Trumble is by far the bigger danger and deserves nothing but contempt.

  16. Trog Sorrenson @ #113 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 9:09 pm

    ar
    It’s by time. For vehicle batteries to be used we will need a smart grid.
    Utilisation will go up once vehicles become autonomous with joint ownership and Uber like services proliferating.

    The earth will be sizzling before those conditions are met to any significant extent.

  17. Doyley @ #116 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 9:28 pm

    Good evening all,

    It looks like the Daily Telegraph is going to have another crack at Kathy Gallagher tomorrow and will accuse Labor and Bill Shorten of ” lying ” and of ” rank hypocrisy “.

    It will be interesting to see where this ends up. The silence has been deafening today with the lack of any ” expert opinion” contradicting what Kathy Gallagher stated this morning so we shall see if the Telegraph has gone to the trouble of actually seeking confirmation or is just throwing muck.

    Cheers.

    Could end up as libel lawyers at 10 paces.

  18. Trog
    I am all in favour of car sharing and renewable energy. But car usage rates are more like 40% during the peaak periods when road capacity is stretched. Public transport is the answer.

  19. Ratsak,

    I agree on Turnbull being worse than Abbott.

    One could respect Abbott for at least being up front about his values, and you can credit him with being an effective political campaigner.

    Turnbull has no such abilities or values. Being weak, empty and vapid make him a figure of utter contempt.

    But put together they make a supremely bad duo in Australian political history.

  20. Rats….im not one to defend the indefensible, so won’t be making exvuses for Turnbull. I guess Abbott’s bigotry, his lies, his destruction are all 2 much for me. He may be in earnest. He’s also the worst reactionary weve ever had.

  21. Socrates
    Public transport will have a role, but car costs per kilometre will drop considerably once cars are both elecrtic and autonomous.
    I have to go now, so goodnight all.

  22. Is Louise Mensch still a thing? False flagger.

    “Explosive allegations about Donald Trump made by online writers with large followings among Trump critics were based on bogus information from a hoaxer who falsely claimed to work in law enforcement.

    Claude Taylor tweeted fake details of criminal inquiries into Trump that were invented by a source whose claim to work for the New York attorney general was not checked, according to emails seen by the Guardian. The allegations were endorsed as authentic and retweeted by his co-writer Louise Mensch.

    The source’s false tips included an allegation, which has been aggressively circulated by Mensch and Taylor, that Trump’s inactive fashion model agency is under investigation by New York authorities for possible sex trafficking.

    The hoaxer, who fed the information to Taylor by email, said she acted out of frustration over the “dissemination of fake news” by Taylor and Mensch. Their false stories about Trump have included a claim that he was already being replaced as president by Senator Orrin Hatch in a process kept secret from the American public.

    “Taylor asked no questions to verify my identity, did no vetting whatsoever, sought no confirmation from a second source – but instead asked leading questions to support his various theories, asking me to verify them,” the source said in an email.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor?CMP=edit_2221

  23. Briefly,

    Again I don’t think we differ too much. They’re both powerful emetics. We just disagree on which has the strongest effect on us individually. Abbott is good for a quick chunder, but you’ll be right in the morning. Trumble is easier to swallow but you’ll feel ill for a long time after.

  24. I don’t really see this working in practice. The battery reserve would be most needed late afternoon/early evening when electricity demand peaks and solar supply drops off. But this is when many of those electric vehicles would be commuting and therefore off the grid or arrived at home with diminished capacity.

    But they would have been parked at their destination during the middle of the day, and thus could be hooked up to the grid.

    The Tesla Model S has a range of 539 km, which leaves a lot of leeway for when you charge it up, given that an average commute would be less than 100 km round trip. Many people (not all, obviously) would be able to charge once at the weekend and run on that the rest of the week. I know I would – when I was in full time employment my daily commute was a grand total of 15 km per day. It is now, when ‘retired’, more like 30 – 40 km per day during the week, and 15 km per day at the weekend.

    If I had such a car, I would, most of the time, be able to hook it up to my solar array, charge during the day on solar, use it in the late afternoon/evening for my work, then still have lots of spare charge left for running my household baseload overnight, topping up from 8 am to 3 pm before heading out in my fully charged electric car.

    Now I recognise that for those with a 9 to 5 job, they would have to charge up every third or fourth day, either during the day or using off peak at night.

    Since getting a 4 kW PV array, I have rearranged a lot of my loads to take advantage of the solar electricity available from circa 8 am to 4 pm. It is working very well indeed, better than I had imagined. On sunny days (we get a lot of them here in Armidale) my system is in surplus 95% of the time, uploading electricity to the grid from 8 am till 4 pm. There are occasional small duration spikes when large water pumps come on and are combined with boiling the kettle, but this is swamped by the general oversupply, sent to the grid.


    Do the vehicle owners buy vehicles with much larger storage capacity than they really need so they can supply into the grid after they get home but at the additional initial cost of those extra batteries and reduced fuel efficiency driving around all that extra battery weight?

    That is not how it works. You don’t get to choose a larger or smaller storage capacity, the car is as it is.

  25. Two of Australia’s most prestigious Catholic schools have cautiously endorsed same-sex marriage in messages to parents, staff and students, directly rebuking recent statements from church leaders.

    While stopping short of advocating a “yes” vote, St Ignatius’ College in Sydney and Xavier College in Melbourne appealed to Pope Francis’ teachings on love, mercy and non-judgment, and urged the school community to dwell on their own consciences.

    Of course Riverview is Abbott’s alma mater, and St. Ignatius is Bill Shorten’s.

    There’s got to be some kind of symbolism there.

  26. Stand by for another ‘reset’, in 3 2 1…

    Turnbull told to claim underdog status in battle against Shorten
    Malcolm Turnbull is being encouraged to adopt an underdog status to highlight the growing “danger” of Bill Shorten becoming the nation’s 30th prime minister.

    Kenny in the SMH.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-told-to-claim-underdog-status-in-battle-against-bill-shorten-20170829-gy6jlc.html?btis

  27. sprocket_ @ #124 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 9:57 pm

    Is Louise Mensch still a thing? False flagger.

    “Explosive allegations about Donald Trump made by online writers with large followings among Trump critics were based on bogus information from a hoaxer who falsely claimed to work in law enforcement.

    I am increasingly of the opinion that Trump may not be brought down at all. The various US intelligence agencies might simply present to Trump all the evidence they have about his misdemeanors (perhaps they have already done so) and let him know that he will be impeached if they release it, or else he can stay on as president for this term and even go golfing as much as he likes, provided he relinquishes control of the nuclear codes and does what he is told on various other critical issues. By doing so, the US will hope to save face for being suckered quite so badly. It seems that the clean out of shonky Trump appointments in the White House is already well underway. We will know if this is the way it is going to pan out if he starts removing his various family appointments. Trump will probably be given the chance to save them before they face charges for various state-based offenses for which he cannot pardon them as President.

  28. Bushfire Bill @ #128 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 10:14 pm

    Two of Australia’s most prestigious Catholic schools have cautiously endorsed same-sex marriage in messages to parents, staff and students, directly rebuking recent statements from church leaders.

    While stopping short of advocating a “yes” vote, St Ignatius’ College in Sydney and Xavier College in Melbourne appealed to Pope Francis’ teachings on love, mercy and non-judgment, and urged the school community to dwell on their own consciences.

    Of course Riverview is Abbott’s alma mater, and St. Ignatius is Bill Shorten’s.

    There’s got to be some kind of symbolism there.

    Shorten attended Xavier in Melbourne.

  29. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/29/no-10-insists-early-talks-on-post-brexit-trade-deal-are-possible

    Tories lose touch with reality.

    Downing Street has said the government will not back away from its demand to kick off negotiations on a post-Brexit trade deal as soon as possible – even though the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, flatly dismissed the idea on Tuesday.

    The first of the Great Repeal Bills comes up in the Commons very soon. Labour will probably seek to amend it…and the test will come for rebel Tories. Will they break with May and the Europhobes? Will the Government fall?

  30. John Reidy
    Stand by for another ‘reset’, in 3 2 1…

    Turnbull told to claim underdog status in battle against Shorten
    Malcolm Turnbull is being encouraged to adopt an underdog status to highlight the growing “danger” of Bill Shorten becoming the nation’s 30th prime minister.

    Not so much born to rule as destined to fail!

  31. ratsak
    Briefly,

    Again I don’t think we differ too much. They’re both powerful emetics. We just disagree on which has the strongest effect on us individually. Abbott is good for a quick chunder, but you’ll be right in the morning. Trumble is easier to swallow but you’ll feel ill for a long time after.

    lol

    The really dire truth for the Liberals is they have no-one else. I suspect the next Liberal PM is not yet in the Parliament.

  32. John Reidy @ #129 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 10:18 pm

    Stand by for another ‘reset’, in 3 2 1…

    Turnbull told to claim underdog status in battle against Shorten
    Malcolm Turnbull is being encouraged to adopt an underdog status to highlight the growing “danger” of Bill Shorten becoming the nation’s 30th prime minister.

    Kenny in the SMH.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-told-to-claim-underdog-status-in-battle-against-bill-shorten-20170829-gy6jlc.html?btis

    Morons. There’s a simple reason they have been behind in the polls for 4 years barring Trumble’s honeymoon.

    The majority WANT them to lose the election.

    Enough residual fools bought the lie that Trumble would be transforrmed after the last election to sneak a win, but clearly all the Kill Bill crap fell flat. Now they’ve had a good long taste of this government most people are quite content to worry about Labor later. First priority is to get the current mob out. If they haven’t been able to land a punch on Labor after all of the ‘courageous’ policy positions they have advocated for in the last few years, they never will.

    Simple enough to explain why. All the good things this mob promised have never appeared off Nobby’s so everyone knows they’re full of shit. So why would the horror stories be any more believable? Especially when they over egg it so much. Shorten just ain’t that scary. Plenty of people seem to think he’s a bit of a faceless man, but scary? The mob who are trying to portray Shorten as the devil were telling us only a few years ago how great Tony Abbott was.

    All that will come of this is the same as always comes from Trumble brainfarts. He’ll further confirm his weakness and incompetence and most of all his desperation.

  33. Turnbull’s forever beseeching the mother who left his father, not him: Did I do good? Mum? Marm? Mawb? Mummeeee?

    “The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”

    She was selfish (but by the mores of the day, his father would have been awarded custody) and so was his father, and so is he.

    Malcolm would be better off with a therapist.

    And Australia would be better off if both Malcolm and Abbott sought therapy.

    Which one was the more spoilt son? Both need help.

  34. P1

    I seriously doubt your scenario re Trump is possible – simple because he cannot control himself.

    Plus, if there are serious issues of lawbreaking by both him and his family, it will be unlikely that they can cover it up to the point that ‘all can carry on as is’ because too many people know too much.

  35. ratsak
    John Reidy @ #129 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 10:18 pm

    Stand by for another ‘reset’, in 3 2 1…

    All of which simply confirms that Turnbull is a dud…always was, always will be.

  36. jenauthor @ #140 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 10:51 pm

    P1

    I seriously doubt your scenario re Trump is possible – simple because he cannot control himself.

    Plus, if there are serious issues of lawbreaking by both him and his family, it will be unlikely that they can cover it up to the point that ‘all can carry on as is’ because too many people know too much.

    Agree. The “Deep State” conspiracy theories seem no more credible than the “sealed indictment” ones.

  37. Sorry, had stuff to do (I’m on a work trip, not a play trip),

    Trog Sorrenson @ #421 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 10:30 am

    LU
    Specifics.
    How will Snowy 2.0 make money other than by arbitrage?

    Through system stability and restart services, and as a physical hedge to gas peakers for wholesale market buyers, and if you set it up right, PHES in pumping mode can provide ancillary services.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not supporting SH2, but your arguments against it are not compelling.

    It’s Time @ #593 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 10:34 am

    Libertarian Unionist @ #84 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 7:23 pm

    CC, my mistake – Yes I completely agree.

    At least lighting is less of a load than it was. OTOH, if electric vehicles take off, then nighttime loads could be massive.

    That depends on how those vehciles will be used. If they are only used for parking and spend the day idle in a carpark then they could be charged at that time when solar PV is firing. That would at least halve their load on nighttime energy supply.

    Sure, wrt the number of vehicles, but I’d hazard a guess that the energy used is greatest for those that are driven regularly during the day, and for that reason can only recharge at night. Someone else probably made that point already.

  38. Trog Sorrenson @ #240 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 11:12 am

    It’s Time
    Actual vehicle utilisation rates are very low. If you are not using your car, why not make some money?

    Because the battery is the most expensive bit of the E car, and the degradation cost is greater than the revenue you can earn in the energy and services markets.

  39. Was at a meeting earlier this evening about social housing. The interloper, from HO, a bit nervous, was holding the floor, and said wtte, “there are positives and . . .

    I supplied “negatives”

    Oh no, no, no, not negatives, there’s a positive way to say to opposite of positive.

    Later, he ran exactly the same line, but had gotten the message cogent (in his mind): “There are positives and challenges”.

    I said: you found your word!

    He had indeed found his word and he was sticking to it. He told me I was I was being “too political.”

  40. I am astonished by just how remote the Catholic Church now seems to be from its members.

    Dwindling by the day.

    Honestly, I find the Catholic Church attempting to assume any kind of moral ascendancy on any matter, much less one involved at its core with sexual attraction, is rather laughable.

    You could summarize the entire ethics of Christianity – true Christianity – in a simple 3-word slogan:

    Love thy neighbour.

    As Julia Gillard might have put it: “Cant be too hard!. Each of those 3 words is powerful in itself. Together they really pack a punch. The rest of the New Testament is a riff off this simple proposition: “don’t judge others”, “care for the sick”, “forgive those who hurt you”, even “pay your taxes to the proper authorities”.

    Jesus never wrote a book in his life. His vocation was peripatetic. Talking to people. Convincing them by example. Empathy, kindness and justice.

    The books came later, as “lesser” men tried to flesh out Jesus’ simple idea by examples and parables.Today,a couple of thousand years later different people have different takes on what the gospel writers meant. The original context is lost.

    If we could only love each other in the Christian sense of the word it wouldn’t matter whether it was two blokes, two sheilas, or the regulation man and wife.

    I don’t think times are changing if a “Yes”vote gets up. I think we’re coming closer to what Christianity is all about. We’re reverting to the essential truth. Thus a “Yes” vote is essentially conservative, in the old-fashioned sense of the word. It’s the haters and the parsers, the power freaks and the authoritarians who have mangled Christ’s mesgage and are the ones who have radicalized and distorted the very belief system they claim to own, beating their breasts in the front pew of the temple, loudly proclaiming “There but for the grace of God go I”.

    Chase them out, I say.

  41. Libertarian Unionist @ #143 Tuesday, August 29th, 2017 – 11:05 pm

    Sorry, had stuff to do (I’m on a work trip, not a play trip),

    Through system stability and restart services, and as a physical hedge to gas peakers for wholesale market buyers, and if you set it up right, PHES in pumping mode can provide ancillary services.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not supporting SH2, but your arguments against it are not compelling.

    LU,

    Why wouldn’t the various PHES facilities around the country be used to meet the AM and PM peak every day. The kit deteriorates slowly over time so why not fully utilise it all – unless there is insufficient solar and wind and ??? to provide the input power for pumping?

    I read some press from April this year earlier today that referenced subsequent stages of PHES involving Tantangara and Talbingo Reservoirs – I would rather read an engineering report and form my own views. Do you know the maximum GW potential of these two reservoirs – Cud was asking?

  42. Yet when I said that a ‘Yes’ vote on marriage equality was more in keeping with the fundamental principles of Christianity than a ‘No’ vote, everyone thought I was insane.

  43. Except

    “Love thy neighbour” = three words

    “Can’t be too hard” = four words

    Otherwise your argument sort of stacks up.

    Until I remember your ridiculous earlier argument.

    But, nice try, Bill.

    Turn t’other cheek.

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