The Guardian reports the Essential Research fortnight rolling average has come in at 52-48 to Labor for a third week in a row, with the Coalition (39%), Labor (36%) and the Greens (10%) each managing to gain a point on the primary vote, as One Nation’s recent run of good polling form comes to an end with a two point drop to 7%. The poll also finds 78% of respondents on board for the no-brainer of real-time disclosure of political donations, 79% for politicians having to disclose meetings with companies, donors or unions, 64% for a ban on foreign donations and 61% for a $5000 cap on donations, but only 30% for a ban on donations and more public funding in its stead. Also featured are Essential’s occasional suite of questions on the personal attributes of the two leaders, on which I’ll wait on their full release later today before reaching any conclusions.
The other news in polldom this week is Newspoll’s quarterly breakdowns by state, age, gender and metro/non-metro, which are helpfully laid out in very great detail here. Statewise, the picture is overwhelmingly one of uniformity, with Labor leading 53-47 through the April-June quarter everywhere except South Australia, where it was 56-44. In swing terms, this suggests less change in New South Wales and Victoria compared with the 2016 result than the smaller states. When these numbers are plugged into the next BludgerTrack update, they will tend to boost Labor in New South Wales, where the swing presently recorded is an anomalously modest 0.7%, without making much difference elsewhere. Also of note is a two-point drop for One Nation in Western Australia in the wake of the state election, compared with stable results elsewhere.
Sort of ? This seems to have to come to a head because Lee explicitly endorsed a letter drop campaign against Gonski 2.0 while negotiation was ongoing without informing the party room.
The suspension seems technically unrelated and is about a structural conflict: what happens when a Senator is bound by their state to vote one way and by the Party Room another.
There’s no argument being made that Lee can’t present her own / her state’s position in the party room or cross the floor in accordance with the Greens rules.
VP:
She is their reportedly their education spokesperson. Obviously Di Natale doesn’t empower his portfolio holders to represent their portfolios, or more likely has had Rhiannon in his crosshairs for yonks now without ousting her, and he finally gets an opportunity to pounce and has.
@Bemused
Yes, I’m sure the RGR years and the ongoing Abbott Turnbull war will serve an excellent example for how grown up parties behave.
Can you at least not be a hypocritical moron when you’re being a smarmy git ?
Where is peg?
Will someone tell me what Lee has done wrong? What’s wrong with campaigning against something while you’re negotiating? One usually compliments and strengthens the other.
Thought SHY was given education after stuffing up immigration.
Also Rhiannon hasn’t held the education portfolio since the reshuffle , SHY is current education spokesperson.
Still receiving instructions from Greens HQ.
elaugaufein @ #703 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:18 pm
This goes to the very heart of how a political party is organised and governs itself. Both the ALP and LNP seem to have established rules whereas our deal little Green friends seem to have rules that conflict and invite chaos.
Enjoy the fun!
@Anton
Rhiannon endorsed a leaflet that was essentially taking a no compromise at all and a firm vote against Gonski 2.0 while negotiation was ongoing ie she was limiting the ability to negotiate. Sort of like if a union member circulated a demanded for immediate strike action while a pay deal was actually being actively discussed between parties.
Confessions the issue of gastric ulcers is a little more complex than Marshall would have us believe although the role of helicobacter pylori can be central in many cases – I think you’d find a paper by J Bruce Overmier and Robert Murison quite interesting http://www.ncbi.nih.gov
VP:
Just going off what Latika reported. I actually have no idea which Greens MPs hold what portfolios because my care factor when it comes to the Greens is zero. But wouldn’t be surprised if Latika was wrong in her reporting.
Anton,
I’m with you. She did nothing wrong. She was the only one not sucked in.
Latika said May lost the UK election because she jumped to far to the left. I wouldn’t believe much of what she says.
Hairy Nose:
I’m likely not giving his presentation full justification because of my own lack of subject expertise. I was fascinated also with the follow up work he’s done with childhood allergies and the DNA mapping of the bacteria.
Back in the day when I was a scientific researcher I had visions of being a ground breaker, but alas found instead I lacked the temperament for the long haul to achieve that, along with the ability to eat shit. 😀
Hah, there’s a difference between moral wrongs and procedural wrongs.
See what happens when you cross the floor on non free votes in grown up parties even if you’re morally correct. Labor will expel you, the Libs will just ensure you’re never anything more than a backbencher.
Whether or not Rhiannon was right or wrong about Gonski, she definitely violated party policy in how she chose to oppose it.
But, but, but the Greens are above petty party politics! They decry the inward-looking, navel-gazing, self absorbed behavior of the major parties. They are neither left nor right looking, but forward!
There are a lot of formerly sanctimonious Greenie talking points that have become entirely redundant after this little episode. Just another political party indeed!
I did think you had a medical background. I think you’d find the paper fascinating. The pendulum has swung from one extreme to the other – the answer is somewhere in the middle.
So, what if Wollongong were to grow from 212,000 as it is now, to more like 500,000?
That amounts to a couple of new residential areas south of the city, plus some high rise in the city itself, and maybe some medium rise to the north, near stations.
What would you think of that?
elaugaufein @ #716 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:32 pm
So the ALP and LNP members all know where they stand, what the rules of the game are whereas the Greens haven’t a clue and confusion reigns.
Was there a vote the Greens actually voted in, with Rhiannon crossing the floor? I don’t recall that happening at all.
JD, I’m looking forward to the next time my GRN friends want to talk politics, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they back Lee.
Elaugaufein –
“Sort of like if a union member circulated a demanded for immediate strike action while a pay deal was actually being actively discussed between parties.”
What on earth is wrong with that? All good negotiation is carrot and stick. Seems like Rhiannon was the only green not behaving like a wet noodle. The greens obviously need a bit of coaching on negotiating strategies.
Hairy Nose:
I’d love to read it but the link doesn’t work for me.
Obviously, Rhiannon should have put out a leaflet that said the Green’s position was only tentative and they planned to roll over as soon as the government made them an offer. Would that have made the Black Wiggle happy?
Confessions
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Analogy&gws_rd=cr&ei=v5ZTWfnkD8S68QXnj4TQCw
Question – the members are who I feel sorriest for – I think it’s safe to bet that the vast majority of Greens members would support Labor’s position on Gonski over the LNP one.
elaugaufein @ #726 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:45 pm
Right so we have Greens supporters being assholes trying to deflect from the issue at hand, that being that there is apparent utter chaos and meltdown within the party ranks. Thanks, but unless you intend on commenting from a genuine position, I’m going to ignore you on grounds you are another useless political hack.
@Anton
If you’re position is that no outcome of negotiation is worthwhile you shouldn’t be wasting your time negotiating. Its also unlikely you can negotiate in good faith while simultaneously agitating against the negotiation. Though I must say you’d make international diplomacy a lot more interesting by threatening to go to war over any treaty or agreement negotiation.
elaugaufein @ #729 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:50 pm
So you give up any mention of your preferred position before going into negotiations?
Brilliant strategy!
JD,
Yep. It will be fun to see if the ones I know will be pissed off, or full of excuses.
Elaugaufein – so now you’re comparing opposing cutting education funding to warfare… are you sure you’re not a Blue-Green? Did you give the Liberals your second preference at the last election?
I’ve been commenting on the internal issues concerning the NSW Greens for a while now and acknowledging there are problems there. But sure, why not. Its not like I expect better.
‘fess -Maybe even:
I …
Utterly fascinating video footage. You gotta hand it to Abbott, he learned from Rudd in that he isn’t doing his whiteanting under cloak and dagger, but out there in the open. Rudd never had the balls to be so honest and genuine.
As have I and have found myself shot down by the likes of Greens supporters like yourself.
You clearly need to spend time with Pegasus who has been loudly championing the anti Rhiannon position for weeks now. Although I suspect with this latest media coverage Pegasus will be scarce on the site.
@Bemused
Hahahaha. Oh, man, that’s hilarious. The only parties I put below the Libs in the HoR last election where the ones even further to the right.
And in the Senate the Libs were the last box I numbered because I didn’t care about the garbage fired after that, the ALP was significantly above that (though in hindsight I probably should have gone through to One Nation, I think I’d prefer a Lib Dem to Roberts).
Sorry that’s @JimmyDoyle not @Bemusef apologies to both of you.
I see Confessions is seeing Rudd people again and letting her obsessions all hang out.
Hilarious.
elaugaufein @ #738 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 10:02 pm
Awww don’t leave me out, I agree with Jimmy.
The Greens are a joke really.
TONY FKIN ABBOTT
What an absolute failure of a man. Has had everything handed to him on a plate, including Catholicism (although, that’s not a plus – bit a stupid declaration by his stupid father).
FAILED. As a pretend Priest.
FAILED. Fell at another hurdle when Glory in the shape of a Rhodes Scholarship trumped parenthood. Had sexual intercourse when declaring CELILBACY.
NO INTEGRITY. Besides the fact that he didn’t father the kid he thought was his, he DID, in fact, think the child was his, and was willing to abandon said child. Says a lot about him, as a man.
HIS WORK. He’s been run out of every job in town. NOT SUITABLE. Requires too much recreation. LOVES sexual innuendo. THINKS it makes him a run-a-mill larrikin. REALITY. Stupid is as Stupid does.
EGOMANIAC. Thinks himself a cut above every other bloke, and of course, WOMEN.
SHOULDABEEN. A dental paradise. There’s still hope.
IS: A Dickhead.
TONY ABBOTT – JUST GO AWAY; you’re a bore, a hypocrite, and STUPID.
Has no intregity
Other than politics –
The BBC on the current ‘Ransomware’ attack:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40427907
Kezza:
On the jobs front there are definite parallels between Rudd and Abbott. Both have tried to seek employment beyond politics and failed. To be fair to Rudd at least he’s had contract work here and there even though the pickings for him are slim to nonexistent.
Abbott doesn’t even have the balls to vocalise outside himself being a sitting MP.
confessions @ #743 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 10:32 pm
The obsession continues. Kezza said nothing about Rudd.
Wikipedia lists details of Rudd’s post-politics career.
You are such a trite, boring person, bemused
Nobody, but nobody, can comment on Rudd, without YOU leaping to his defence.
You’re just as boring and stupid as Abbott.
Worse, you’re willing to trash long-standing Labor supporters, from zoomster in Victoria, to Briefly, in WA, whenever it suits. Both of whom do the hard yards for Labor.
It’s not zoomster’s fault you couldn’t educate your own child.
And it’s not Briefly’s fault that he’s had a success in getting a Labor candidate up, when you didn’t.
Just grow up, you jerk.
I’m happy for Tony to go, but happier if he takes Turnbull on the way.
Fess, there’s a sucker born every minute.
Takes the bait, every time.
kezza2 @ #745 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 10:41 pm
What on earth are you on about?
Mostly I agree with zoomster.
My sons were educated satisfactorily.
My local ALP candidate was elected in the Federal Election.
etc.
Bemused
How about your re-read your own postings, regarding the education of your children. And who you blame, for their lack of education.
You so often want to blame Joan Kirner.
And how about you understand that education isn’t all about the 3Rs, but your own contribution at home.
Teachers can’t fill every gap. It’s what goes at home that colours the life of kids; and how they do or don’t do handle situations.
And, then, how many times have I read that your blame Joan Kirner, for the VCE, etc., in Victoria.? How may times have your posted this?
What it all adds up to is you blame Joan Kirner for the failure of your kids.
kezza2 @ #749 Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 11:04 pm
My criticisms of Ms Kirner are much broader than you seem to have appreciated and are based on personal observations of the kind of crap my kids were receiving and talks with a number of teachers I know and other parents.
My kids survived the experience of Secondary Education.
You just make shit up.