The return of Ipsos this week threw a spanner in the BludgerTrack works, since its results were starkly divergent from the trend of the other two pollsters, to an extent that went well beyond the pollster’s observed peculiarities before the election. In particular, the primary vote for Labor was four points below anything recorded by Newspoll or Essential since the election; the Coalition were about two points below its recent form; and the Greens came in about six points on the high side. My general strategy for bias adjustment had been to use half measures of the difference between election result and trend measurements for the relevant pollster, but that wasn’t remotely adequate to cover the peculiarity of this Ipsos result. So, for the time being at least, I’m incorporating Ipsos in a way that is all-but-neutral to the overall calculation, but in which the trendlines will be affected by the movement in Ipsos results (or will be, when there is more than one Ipsos result to go off).
Despite the Ipsos numbers having little impact on this week’s result, there has been a fairly solid move back to the Coalition on the voting intention reading, which partly reflects the recent trend of Essential Research, which has had Labor’s lead over the past fortnight narrowing from 53-47 to 51-49. On the BludgerTrack seat projection, this translates into gains for the Coalition of two seats in Western Australia, and one apiece in New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia. Here the Ipsos numbers did play a role, since its state breakdowns were particularly strong for the Coalition in Western Australia and South Australia. Ipsos also makes as much difference as it would always have done to the leadership ratings, the model for which begins with the Malcolm Turnbull prime ministership. Reflecting to the overall strength of the Ipsos result for the Coalition, Malcolm Turnbull records a solid recovery on net approval, to the extent of almost closing the gap on Bill Shorten, and widened his lead as preferred prime minister.
daretotread Friday, December 2, 2016 at 3:28 pm
Phoenix
Trump certainly is one helluva scary dude.
So now I think I am calling for Canada to invade the USA, lock up all the loonies (maybe in Alaska) and try to get some sanity in the place.
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Oh well – the loonies will fit right in with Alaska – they can get Sarah Palin – Former Governor of Alaska – to point out the spires of Moscow from her old backyard to them ……
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-02/gooligan-growing-security-hack-hits-android-users-worldwide/8087570
In another case of a British polling proving to be inaccurate, Richmond Park by-election had an upset where Conservative turned Independent Zac Goldsmith is defeated by Lib-Dem Sarah Olney.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/02/richmond-park-by-election-lib-dems-claim-victory-zac-goldsmith/
Poroti
Lord help us I can’t stand her screeching.
poroti Friday, December 2, 2016 at 3:33 pm
Good grief. Are they grooming Cash as a possible future leader ? This sort of flowery tripe is often a sign.
“Michaelia Cash: Malcolm Turnbull’s secret weapon is a woman on the rise”
“Instead she’s wide-eyed, ebullient, buzzing with a caffeinated energy that’s equal parts intoxicating and exhausting. With her trademark theatrical hand gestures and exaggerated pronunciation, she’s a lip reader’s dream. ”
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A watch of the infamous Cash rant on youtube should cool things down a bit ( jeez imagine coming home to her after a hard days work down the salt mine )
Michaelia Cash launches a vicious rant against the Labor ‘sisterhood’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD1Lvds3N9g
DTT
I was going to say that you were off your head, but I’ll give you the opportunity to explain how Israel’s conduct is the equivalent of deliberately using chemical weapons (confirmed by the UN, rather than by the same people who glory in the alt-right) and deliberately targeting aid convoys to commit as much murder as possible – especially children and civilians.
No doubt you will point to Gaza but the two are simply not comparable in terms of the level of hurting civilians, the degree of any targetting of civilian targets, the evidence of targetting civilians being a deliberate and central part of strategy (except by Hamas), etc.
Ms Cash wears the ABCC badge.
That it is a bastard policy shambles does not matter to the Liberals.
She actually scored a goal! See! The fact that it is largely an own goal does not matter.
She probably won the election for Turnbull in Victoria with the Firey’s Gambit.
The other winner, and this one is a winner, is that she sounds like a deplorable.
After god had finished
The rattle snake
The toad and the vampire
He had some awful
Substance left over
He made
Journalist s
Lawyer’s
And Michaela cash.
boerwar @ #158 Friday, December 2, 2016 at 3:53 pm
She sounds like a bogan acting posh to me.
PhoenixRED
Just watched the Cash video. She’s a screaming bowl of hatred. Yuk!
dave Friday, December 2, 2016 at 4:07 pm
After god had finished
The rattle snake
The toad and the vampire
He had some awful
Substance left over
He made
Journalist s
Lawyer’s
And Michaela cash.
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I put my hands on my hips, not caring if I sounded like a Billingsgate fishwife. “Yes, it was a dangerous thing to do, but as it seems to have escaped your attention, I remind you I am above thirty years of age, of sound body and mind, and in control of my own fortune. That means, ” I said, moving closer still, poking his chest for emphasis, “I am mistress of myself and answer to no one. “
dave @ #159 Friday, December 2, 2016 at 4:07 pm
I think this sums up doGs actions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZRGPg5laDU
fishwife – a coarse-mannered woman who is prone to shouting.
“the screech of a fishwife”
She also worked for one of the most viciously anti-worker law firms.
Raaraa – I wonder if Goldsmith reckoned he had no choice but to force a by-election and stand as an independent because he would have got trounced at the next election as a Tory. So not quite as principled as one might think
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She comes across as barely a human being – and thats saying something considering her ‘fellows’ within the tory partyroom.
John Pilger on the the coming war on China
https://newint.org/features/2016/12/01/the-coming-war-on-china/
In my view, while there probably many in the US who would have wet dreams about engaging in a “real” fighting war with China the reality is that neither side could really sustain it. Troops on the ground? Bombing into submission? Atomic weapons? Can’t see it.
What is quite feasible is a trade war but even then both sides would suffer with probably not much gain.
Like George, she could never be a local member anywhere.
tpof @ #147 Friday, December 2, 2016 at 3:30 pm
Thank goodness we have Mal the Magnificent in charge. He is very familiar with this shadowy world, and will no doubt put a stop to these rorts that rip off both the government he leads and the taxpayers who elected him … waiting … waiting …
I’m a little stunned. Somehow I thought she was single.
Lizzie
I knew who Cash was married to, and always wondered what Matt Price would have thought of his sister in law?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/02/the-governments-report-on-the-great-barrier-reef-is-a-dog-ate-my-homework-moment?CMP=soc_568
Victoria
I think we can guess!
‘What we saw was re-announcement of old plans and no new funding. The government is risking a fail on their reef homework by underfunding their Reef Plan, delaying water quality targets, spruiking new coal and ignoring global warming after the worst coral bleaching the reef has ever seen.’
I am totally not surprised that none of these details were revealed on the putridly inadequate report on AM this morning.
He said, she said churnalism at its worst.
Lizzie
From my recollection of Matt Price as a journo, he was an equal opportunity reporter on politics. I would say apolitical. His passing was not only a loss to his loved ones, but to political journalism
Afternoon all.
I have been busy taking in the afterglow of Mal’s triumph this week.
This is an interesting post on the US electoral college.
They calculate a number of scenarios to illustrate how the electoral college vote can differ from the popular vote
Including a worse case.
They compare the effects of unequal state vote distribution and the distortion introduced by winner takes all, where the candidate with the most votes gets 100% of the votes.
https://medium.com/@heatherarthur/electoral-college-worst-case-scenario-cd6f93a76c35#.p4cwlnbz5
Mark Textor in Business Insider
One of the most common criticisms of John Howard’s prime ministership, from both the left and the right, concerns what is commonly referred to as “middle class welfare”.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/mark-textor-look-after-the-middle-class-and-democracy-will-take-care-of-itself-2016-12
Voice Endeavour at 10.14am:
Ultimate fallback – I would imagine so, but I’m pretty sure that the state Governors can each act as the GG when required, starting with the most senior Governor, so actually relying on the British monarchy would be waaaaaay down the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dormant_commission
Apologies for any double-up:
Campaign Capital/ReachTEL poll has Labor leading 55-45 across eight Perth electorates.
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/wa-election-opinion-poll-has-labor-on-track-to-win-election-20161201-gt1j8t.html
On One Nation:
“With One Nation unlikely to have the organisational base to staff polling booths across the metropolitan area, it is unlikely that One Nation preferences will flow as directed in any deal with the Liberal Party,” he said in a statement.
“More likely, we will see preferences flow pretty evenly to both major parties, meaning that, other than keeping scrutineers up late into the evening on election night, One Nation’s impact in the Perth metro area could be negligible.”
Victoria
I agree with much of what Textor said but was what Howard doing properly called “Middle Class Welfare” . Look at the numbers Textor gave to be “middle class” (lower middle $48,000 to upper middle $125,000 in 2014) . Back in Howard’s day $ numbers would have been a fair bit lower. For Textor’s US figures the numbers quoted were for a 3 person household, not sure if the Aussie one were as well.
From less than reliable memory a disproportionate amount of the loot went to people well above that bracket. So perhaps it was more Howard’s Upper Class “Wealthfare” ?
Attn Bludgers, earlier this week (Wed I think) somebody published a reachtel for WA. 55-45 to Labor.
… Thought you might be interested seeing as this is psephology site.
Thank goodness the Libs called an end to the Age of Entitlement.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/wa-liberal-steve-irons-charged-taxpayers-for-wifes-travel-for-queensland-golf-tournament-20161202-gt2t8n.html
The Howard govt represented the most wasteful of waste when it comes to govt expenditure. Billions and billions of dollars thrown away or pissed up against the wall simply in the name of getting re-elected. The entire mining boom lost to future generations. Shameful.
According to Channel “Gem”:
This is someone called “Jessica Marais”.
Should I be aware of this person’s importance to the nation?
The age of entitlement is not over for ‘some’ –
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/wa-liberal-steve-irons-charged-taxpayers-for-wifes-travel-for-queensland-golf-tournament-20161202-gt2t8n.html
Poroti 🙂
Victoria seems to be trying to emulate SA in regards to electricity supply. Higher prices with lower reliability. The damaged potline at the Portland Alcoa smelter will cost around 250 million to restore after Thursdays blackout. The future of the smelter now in real doubt resulting in the loss of 600 direct jobs and about 2000 indirect jobs. A disaster for South West Victoria. Over to you, Dan Tehan, Roma Britnell, Tim Pallas , Daniel Andrews and Glenelg Shire Council.
Confessions
I think Mega George had it as be best part of $300 billion. Back when a $1 billion was worth something 🙂
Not to mention Howie and Hammock Dweller setting up a budget structural deficit. Megalogenis at the time described it as like planning your household budget on the expectation that you will continue to win the lottery each week.
Poroti
Oops meant to add that agree with fess. Howard wasted shitloads of money purely to get re elected
Poroti:
And the Liberals have the gall to accuse Labor’s carbon pricing of robbing future generations. Imagine that $300+ billion invested in meaningful infrastructure or social services instead of being gifted to households who had no genuine need for it.
taylormade @ #189 Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:58 pm
Dumbest comment for a long time.
Confessions
Waaaay back in the early years of the boom I read several articles suggesting a sovereign wealth fund a la Norway with their North Sea oil $. If only we had followed Norway.
Poroti:
The WA economy would likely be a lot broader and less reliant on mining if we had.
Bemused – Typical comment from the urban elite. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find work in regional Victoria ? I suppose in your ideal world, these workers can just transfer to all these clean energy jobs no problem at all.
taylormade @ #197 Friday, December 2, 2016 at 7:29 pm
I have sympathy for the workers and all others affected. But your statement was intended as an attack on the State Govt.
Let me help you with a few facts:
1. Kennett privatised the SEC – the State Govt does not own the generators, the transmission or the retailers.
2. Since it is no longer Govt controlled, it is up to existing generators or new entrants to build any increased generating capacity based on commercial considerations.
3. Ditto for transmission.
4. So far, Hazelwood has not been closed and in fact extra generating capacity, gas fired, solar and wind has been added.
So why are you attacking the State Govt if not to try to score political points?
Confessions
That was the thinking of Norway. Avoiding the distortion of the economy caused by the sudden influx of money.
The “Dutch Disease” also got a mention. Looks like we got a dose of it.
http://lexicon.ft.com/Term?term=dutch-disease
Yep that’s us in a nutshell.