There should a lot of entertainment in store for poll watchers in the form of national polling over the coming days, and we’ve had a few appetisers over the night with scattered reports of privately commissioned electorate-level polling conducted by ReachTEL. Due caution must be allowed for the fact that some of the polls were conducted several weeks ago, and all were commissioned by left-of-centre concerns who might feel more inclined to publicise their poll results when they like what they show. With that in mind:
• The freshest of the batch is a poll crediting Labor with a 51-49 lead in the northern Tasmanian seat of Bass. This suggests a 5% swing against Liberal member Andrew Nikolic, who gained it with a 10.8% swing in 2013. The poll was conducted on Tuesday for GetUp! from a sample of 824.
• The Advertiser reports troubling numbers for the Liberals from South Australia in further polling conducted for GetUp! Christopher Pyne is credited with 41% of the primary vote in his seat of Sturt, compared with 21% for Nick Xenophon Team candidate Matthew Wright and 20% for Labor’s Matt Loader and 8% for the Greens. In Mayo, Liberal member Jamie Briggs is at 40%, against 23.5% for Rebekha Sharkie of the Nick Xenophon Team, 18% for Labor and 10% for the Greens. Either seat would be under threat from NXT on those numbers, provided their candidates were able to get ahead of Labor. The scale of the threat would also depend on whether the remainders include an undecided component, as is usually the case in ReachTEL’s electorate polling. If so, distributing the undecided would push the Liberal primary vote up high enough that they would most likely make it over the line, although only just. The Sturt poll was conducted on May 22 from a sample of 762, and the Mayo poll was on May 16 from a sample of 681.
• The West Australian reports a poll of the Perth seat of Cowan credited Labor’s Anne Aly with a 51-49 lead over Liberal member Luke Simkins, whose 7.5% margin has been pared back to 4.0% in the redistribution. The implied swing of 5% is actually at the low end of the Labor’s recent form in polling from Western Australia. However, this poll is showing its age a little, having been conducted on May 10 for the United Voice union from a sample of 731. The West’s report also relates that the Liberals’ internal pollsters, Crosby-Textor, have recorded a 6% swing to Labor in the new seat of Burt, which has a notional Liberal margin of 4.9%.
“It doesn’t matter much what the Greens say on their HTV tickets because Green voters have a habit of deciding for themselves.”
Pfft, the main point of Greens HTVs is so that Laboristas can feel moral outrage. Surely that’s self-evident.
Getup are very active in the seat of Dickson, saw that on Twitter today.
Typical of the Greens, take something from Labor and claim it as Greens…
Tom
This tweet demonstrates what’s wrong with Vote Compass AND the Greens:
Adam Bandt @AdamBandt
“ALP pulling out of ABC’s Vote Compass as it accurately suggests many supporters shd vote Greens over penalty rates..”
Scott, how typically unoriginal. The G’s mimic Labor all the time and then deride Labor for being too close to the LNP.
There is Labor. There are those who offer forgeries of Labor and those who just try to erase Labor.
Which are you?
Scott Bales Friday, June 3, 2016 at 4:18 pm
@ MrMoney – yes, people would use the term swing to describe 52 -> 53 and for 48 -> 49.
I too expect LNP have clawed some back, but only because it would be more consistent with the 49-51 polling that has been consistently occurring for weeks. 53-47 is wipeout territory and I don’t think the past week has been enough to cause that.
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Isn’t the whole theory of what this election is about thus ??????? :
Bill Shorten needs to convince just 30,000 voters to switch from the Coalition to Labor to win the election and become Australia’s sixth prime minister in six years.
But, as with the perfect recipe, he needs precise quantities in exactly the right 21 marginal seats.
Winning votes in safe Labor seats or gaining minor ground in the Liberal heartland gets him no closer to The Lodge.
And the whole issue/problem is to convince THEM to vote ALP ?????? is THAT happening and if not – why not ?????? !!!
“Pfft, the main point of Greens HTVs is so that Laboristas can feel moral outrage. Surely that’s self-evident.” It wasn’t to me, but it is now. Thanks, Martin!
Those dirty rotten Marxian purist pinstriped sellouts! [shakes fist]
Once Stalin gave his generals strategic freedom to fight the battles things turned for them. That plus life was cheep.
rebecca @ #234 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 2:02 pm
I completely understand the points you’ve raised, and being in Victoria, NXT doesn’t have much relevance to me. However, the discussion is around the seats in SA where Labor or the Greens have no chance of winning, but IMO having NXT unseat these Lib members would be the most beneficial in disrupting the Coalition’s path to majority government.
[That plus life was cheep.]
Cheep as cheeps.
I hope the Secular Party can grow its vote to the point it becomes a viable ‘third way’ option.
Actually, scratch that #360.
I did raise the point of the moral ground of Labor/Greens over NXT by not preferencing for Griff or any other X Senate candidates through the 2013 senate tickets.
However, if I recall correctly, some right-wing parties got preferenced ahead of Griff & co, to my confusion. So it wasn’t strictly left over right.
I heard pretty much the same story from a German man who used to work for me. Martin was in the Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler Division (Waffen SS). He said he joined for the uniform. He was 17 when he joined.
He was a machine gunner and told me the same story of mounds of Russian dead, calling for their mothers. If it affected him badly, it didn’t show readily. He was the most affable, mild-mannered man I have ever met. He used to open doors for me, clicking his heels, until I asked him to stop it. I never saw him upset except once when he told me that if he could find the pusher supplying his son with heroin he’d kill him “instantly”.
He should have been killed in the first week, but survived Yugoslavia, the Battle of the Bulge and was finally captured in Budapest – only because the wounded Luftwaffe guy next to him was shot as the medics picked him up. Martin inherited the Luftwaffe greatcoat from the dead flyer, to keep warm. When Martin was in prison hospital the Russians came around taking the SS soldiers out in the courtyard to shoot. When they got to him he said he was a cook in the Luftwaffe (making a potato-peeling motion to them).
He went to Siberia for 5 years instead, was released, made his way to Australia and got a job with the PMG as a linesman out along country roads. He told me he couldn’t believe they got steak, sausages and eggs for breakfast every morning, laid on by the PMG. He said that in Siberia they were lucky to receive 2 bowls of thin soup a week.
He lived until 90, and died in his sleep.
fess
the Sex Party have some third way options for you.
SenX has since said he is in favour retaining penalty rates. Admittedly he conceded this on Qanda in front of a live, nationally televised audience. But still, it’s his public admission.
I don’t know what his candidates feel about penalty rates however. I believe Sharkie was once a staffer to Briggs so anything’s possible as to her views.
A very thoughtful article on the Indi contest by John van Tiggelen for The Monthly:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/june/1464703200/john-van-tiggelen/dispute?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Today%20-%20Thursday%202%20June%202016&utm_content=Today%20-%20Thursday%202%20June%202016+CID_4f8e3e26659578d1df5ce33c114913ed&utm_source=EDM&utm_term=READ%20MORE
So sounds like there’s a good chance that Reachtel will join Morgan and Essential in swinging back towards the government. Not so bad if it’s only to 51-49 I guess, but three polls moving in the same direction isn’t a great sign.
Regarding ReachTEL, I think there was a general perception last time that the primaries did not support the 52-48 headline figure. So a correction would seem most likely. I’m tipping 50-50. If it’s any worse than that, coming on top of the Essential dip, I think Labor could be in strife.
SK:
My wish for the Secular Party is more about them being able to stand candidates in lower house seats like mine which give me a genuine preferencing alternative to the Greens. Unless there is a solid independent candidate, there’s no option for me other than to hold my nose and preference the Greens.
The Senate is a different story. I can happily preference the Secular Party in the Senate, but not in my HoR electorate.
Has to be the post of the day so far 🙂
Tom.
Swings to Labor in safe seats but not in the marginals are wasted votes
Still, if you believe what you read, the Coalition are effectively sandbagging a lot of their knife edge electorates
I’d like to think it’s the ‘narrowing’ now that peeps are starting to focus on the election, but I still reckon people are largely disengaged. In this corner of the country you’d never guess there was an election campaign going on apart from the local member’s zealous Facebooking of himself all over the electorate.
In yesterday’s local paper the political story was the preselection of the Nationals’ candidate. For next year’s state election!
Evan P:
It’s been reported that Textor is running a marginal seat campaign for the LNP. For whatever that’s worth.
Riley could be doing a PVO and teasing us; the swing could be to the Greens or NXT!
tricot @ #239 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 2:11 pm
This, and many like it on PB are as stupid as the rant I heard on ABC774.
A loon from the ALA (I think) or some other RWNJ / Fascist organisation was having a big moan about an ALP advertisement on SBS TV having subtitles in Arabic and this being symptomatic of us being over-run by Islam …yadda, yadda, yadda.
Then the true picture was given, fortunately, by another listener.
The advertisement was shown in the middle of the SBS Arabic news!
And so, dare I suggest, that the Sydney Writers Festival discussion that causes you so much angst was also similarly in context?
Naaah, better some crazed conspiracy theory to explain it.
Dont pay any attention to me at the moment ‘fess. Its the Kahlua talking. As soon as Reachtel comes out I will go back to my Kahlua and leave you all in peace.
C@Tmomma
Corboy? Yikes!
Given the poor performance of the PM during this campaign I don’t quite understand any swing back to the coalition, except the fact that the media is till in love with the ‘idea’ of Turnbull and have up-to-now been fairly lenient on his poor performance.
The general populace sees barely a 20th f what we tragics see – so they are basically ignorant of the difference between the two campaigns even though we see it clearly.
You know this makes sense
Swing of 0.5% against the coalition
DTT: “Player
Has it just not possibly occurred to you that maybe your views ARE closer to the Greens than those of Labor. ”
It’s interesting, isn’t it? In many ways the existence of the Greens on their left allows the ALP to cater for more of the centre right than it would otherwise be able to do without huge internal factional battles. Despite the bitching, and the occasional inner city seat kerfuffle, I’m sure many in the upper echelon are more than happy for the Greens to pick up the left votes from them , as long as they give 75 to 80% back as preferences. Leaves ’em more room to play around for votes in the centre / centre right, and makes it harder for the Libs to pretend they are “reds in disguise”.
The “Green bogeyman” campaign through eulogising the silly “Malaysian solution” and the original feeble Rudd CPRS as if they were real answers that the Greens stopped even still helps to keep some who otherwise would have jumped off the port side of the ship on board.
To be fair to the ALP such strategies make a lot of electoral sense, and the Greens still aren’t particularly good at countering them, though perhaps the growing kerfuffle over the inner city (which is really more about changing demography than anything else) will make it harder for the ALP to pursue in future.
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SK:
Kahlua? I seriously don’t know how anyone can drink that stuff. 😀
Evan,
The test of whether the Libs are effective with their sandbagging is the outcome on July 2.
Until then, it’s all a cunning plan.
SK/’fess
Long ago I had a girlfriend who used to drink it with milk and no ice!
fess,
Kahlua means sump oil in Tibetan.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/axing-the-road-safety-remuneration-tribunal-turnbulls-lie,9068#.V1EwJC9yKpY.twitter
Serious ick!
daretotread @ #311 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:47 pm
It’s only natural that either parties want Liberal preferences if they’re the TPPs since they’re not going to receive preferences from each other.
scott bales @ #348 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 4:36 pm
And I just saw the train wreck press conference by Richard Di Natale in Perth today where he displayed the economic nous of a Gnat, dismissing airily the need to ever get the Budget back into balance or Surplus, because, ‘Nation Building Infrastructure!’
Money and confetti appear to be interchangeable commodities in Green World.
The truth is, there are The Greens, and then there are serious political parties.
That would be the kahlua with milk, not that you had a girlfriend back in the day CTar!
martin b @ #349 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 4:38 pm
Do the Libs for Forests group still exists? I can understand people of those views still existing, but is the movement as a whole still out there?
“Swings to Labor in safe seats but not in the marginals are wasted votes
Still, if you believe what you read, the Coalition are effectively sandbagging a lot of their knife edge electorates”
Not completely wasted as all those votes help elect Labor senators, but I understand what you are saying.
lizzie @ #378 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 5:17 pm
And he may just do a Bradbury in Indi! Double yikes!
Gotta laugh?
‘fess
😆
bemused @ #376 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 5:15 pm
There is no way you can properly put back into the fray from the people who thinks that Arabic = muslim.
Australia has a significantly-sized Arabic speaking population who happen to be non-muslim.
daretotread @ #294 Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:33 pm
DTT, I know you are an ALP member, but the way you continue to espouse views that would be anathema to most ALP members are just amazing.
“Do the Libs for Forests group still exists? I can understand people of those views still existing, but is the movement as a whole still out there?”
I don’t believe the group exists, no, I was using the term as a description of a type rather than an organisation.
‘fess, you have told me your dislike for Kahlua before. But I am not budging.
Besides, I found 3 bottles of it from a long ago overseas duty free splurge so it simply must be drunk – and no-one else likes the stuff.
I might try it on the cat tho’.
I’d like to know the ratings of RN since it took a sharp turn to the political right a few years ago. I can’t imagine that the type of people who’d listen to it would put up with the content these days. Who would their audience be?