The Fairfax papers today offer three attitudinal findings from a ReachTEL automated phone poll, which was conducted on Thursday evening from a sample of 2146 respondents:
• After Tony Abbott’s efforts to place the matter on the agenda earlier this week, a question on ABC bias finds 59.6% of respondents saying there is none. However, conservative critics of the public broadcaster can at least point to the fact that many more think it biased to Labor (32.2%) than the Coalition (8.2%). While the result at both ends may have been influenced by Abbott’s activism, it nonetheless offers an interesting supplement to the yearly ABC-commissioned Newspoll surveys, which consistently find overwhelming majorities considering its reporting to be “balanced and even-handed” without probing into respondents’ partisanship. The Sydney Morning Herald’s graphic features breakdowns by age and gender.
• Support for republicanism appears to be at a low ebb, with 39.4% in favour and 41.6% opposed. Tellingly, the 18-34 cohort joins 65-plus in recording a net negative rating (though by a considerably smaller margin), with those in between recording majorities in favour. Age and gender breakdowns here.
• There’s also a question on who is preferred out of the incumbent Governor-General and her designated successor, with 57.1% favouring Peter Cosgrove versus 42.9% for Quentin Bryce. I do wonder though about a method which requires a definite answer from all respondents to such a question, given the number that wouldn’t have an opinion.
UPDATE: And now a further finding from the poll that 52.5% agree that Labor should distance itself from the union movement”, compared with 25.6% who disagree.
Unless these Aussie values extend to all then they are not values they are just tribalism. A quote from the comedian on the Q&A panel. Well said.
[ “Praying for rain didn’t work. Now we must try something else”]
Oh really? Why then did Barnaby cut the aid to WA farmers as one of his first ministerial duties, and why then did the coalition govt reverse the strategic rescue of the MDB that Labor had set in motion when it was in govt?
Barnaby should stick to praying for rain for all the use he is as Agriculture Minister.
Thats exactly the point Dio. If support for the auto industry is going to result in the auto industry going gangbusters and the Australian economy going from strength to strength I am all for it. However, we seem to have been doing this for decades and nothing seems to have come of it….they take the money and leave. If Australia is not good at making cars then lets not.
Australia is a massive net exporter of food. It seems like “our thing” and in the future with diminishing arable land and exponentially increasing population, it seems like a good thing to be good at “the dining boom” as some have called it. In that context it seems logical to me to keep the agriculture industry going. I don’t think we should be making cars, but am willing to be convinced!
Stop being a hypocrite Mod Lib.
You should be used to me being right by now.
Net Gross stupidity had at least twice as much say also 😛
[Centre
Posted Monday, February 3, 2014 at 10:37 pm | PERMALINK
Stop being a hypocrite Mod Lib.]
You pointed out when Barnaby interrupted Tanya….
So I pointed out when Tanya interrupted Barnaby….
Then you called me a hypocrite.
Its PB at its finest! :devil:
@MayneReport: Absolute bollocks Nick Cater. I spent 5yrs as a Murdoch business editor & regularly talked up/was pushed to promote Rupert interests #qanda
I can see no more logical a reason for subsidising farmers than car manufacturing, other than the fact you need food to live.
WHY THE HELL IS THERE NO LATELINE??????
Next week on qanda – Turnbull, Dreyfus, Albrechtson!! and a third rate comedian.
What was absolutely pathetic about Q&A is that just when Plibersek was starting make a serious economic point about the SPC Ardmona situation, Jones the numbskull cut her off and went to the audience.
Unbelievable!
Ray Martin killed it, a class above the lot of them 😎
Centre
So much of Ray Martin’s potential was subsumed by his time in the commercial stations.
“@TheKooriWoman: 22 times Tony Abbott blamed former government on 7.30 Report”
It’s a fair call to call you a clown Mod Lib.
You really have trouble with comprehension.
I said that Net Gross would interrupt Tanya FIRST.
Have you heard of that word “first” before Mod Lib?
No didn’t think so!
The takeout from QandA is the LNP want pravda as the government media outlet
I can find a reference for 4% for the catholic church
… and Scope of Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic …
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?hl=en&q=http://www.uk.sagepub.com/bartol3e/study/articles/Terry.pdf&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm2Kp3QrmcaCcXyKRF30_YnAcdG60w&oi=scholarr
Can’t find a reference worth quoting for the general population, if you accept 4% than a serious number do not end up being charged.
I suspect there is a lot of pulling figures out of the end of peoples thumbs.
OK, so we close down Australia’s agriculture industry and import food and put farmers on the dole.
Impact on the rest of the Australian economy?
I am not an economist but if every one is working for two bucks an hour or go on the dole, we will need cheap imported food to survive. Farmers are nothing different to a factory worker and should not be subsidised in a free market economy or the economy becomes distorted, let alone unfair. Everyone else is being told to go to hell (the dole queues) then so be it. We can all meet at the dole office and talk about where the neo conservatives have taken us, to date anyway.
liyana@1183
I actually thought he was more articulate than normal. 😀
[Centre
Posted Monday, February 3, 2014 at 10:45 pm | PERMALINK
It’s a fair call to call you a clown Mod Lib.]
Most people who use insults in discussion think a lot of themselves, Centre, you are not unique.
Everything, 1258. Too bloody right. The last Lateline must have been late November. So two months off. Probably on a par with High Court judges. Too bloody generous leave provisions IMHO.
Well, Plibersek is a smart women, her head is in the right place and she made it as far to the top in the Labor Party as she will ever get.
Well done Tanya!
It’s difficult to imagine that Australia could build cars at the volume needed to break even let alone compete with those churning out 500,000 per year. On the other hand, producing and packaging food might well be plausible.
I’ve long wondered though whether there isn’t a niche market available in sourcing or manufacturing cloned replacement parts for motor vehicles and home appliances. There’s virtually zero competition in that market. Your pretty much forced to buy new fridges, digital projectors, and eventually, imported cars, merely because the parts are hard to get.
Given the embedded energy cost of these things, and the landfill implications, this sounds like it fits with the whole low footprint concept as well.
ML
I rather think that old notion that we are good at agriculture is about to take a bit of a beating and we are about to see that farmers are subject to the same competitive pressure as manufacturers, with a similar fate of being destroyed.
I am tempted to say tough titties to the farmers except that I believe in supporting manufacturers and need to be consistent.
[Labour of Love
…..Farmers are nothing different to a factory worker and should not be subsidised in a free market economy or the economy becomes distorted, let alone unfair. Everyone else is being told to go to hell (the dole queues) then so be it. We can all meet at the dole office and talk about where the neo conservatives have taken us, to date anyway.]
…which is why we are all quite lucky you are not in a position to make these decisions, I guess!
Can I remind everyone, that under Coalition governments, compared with ALP governments, over the last 40 years:
1. Real non-farm wage rises have been greater
2. Inflation has been lower
(3. Plust the other 4 economic indicators are better too, but not part of this discussion)
In other words, more money and more purchasing power with said more money. Liberal governments have taken us to very good places in the past it would seem…..
Hartcher has a new man-crush.
You can just about see the bulge in Peter’s pants.
Scorned by Rudd.
Ignored by Abbott.
Maybe Big Joe will give Lord Har-Har the tough love he craves for?
And I thought that “double post” thing was an urban myth…
PB isn’t perfect. I have to kill myself.
The Limited News minder now a fixture for QANDA?
We can all meet at the dole office
Have to wait a month for an appointment
Ugh #dyac
You’re pretty much …
I predicted last week that Qanda wouldn’t allow its audience representation to reflect current polling.
It seems the Liberals’ bullying of the broadcaster has cowed it even further into being a mouthpiece for the coalition.
What a disgrace.
“@jeantistclair1: “@MikeCarlton01: Gawd that Nick Cater is a pompous ass #QandA” meanwhile, @mirandadevine reckons he deserves own show. #inherdreams #qanda”
[Scorned by Rudd.]
Hartcher was feted by the former member for Griffith.
Surely you haven’t forgotten?
We can all meet at the dole office
Have to wait a month for an appointment
If something is worth having it is worth waiting for!
[confessions
Posted Monday, February 3, 2014 at 10:54 pm | PERMALINK
I predicted last week that Qanda wouldn’t allow its audience representation to reflect current polling.
It seems the Liberals’ bullying of the broadcaster has cowed it even further into being a mouthpiece for the coalition.
What a disgrace.]
There are 4 people who think the ABC is pro-ALP for every one thinking it is pro-LNP.
[theintellectualbogan
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I’ve always been very dubious about the automatic assumption that any man who is not having sex with an of-age partner is likely to wish to abuse young boys (or children in general).
First off, Catholic priests may not be permitted to engage in sexual activity with women but I’m fairly sure that, in theory, they are also not supposed to be having sex with children either. Given that both are forbidden, wouldn’t it make more legal and ethical sense in the illicit rocks off stakes, to have an affair with a consenting, adult female (or male) partner or to pay a sex-worker of one’s choice for the service of one’s choice?
Secondly, I simply find the assumption both personally insulting and also insulting to the (I suspect) very large number of other people in the population who have endured, for one reason or another, long, sometimes permanent, periods of involuntary celibacy. The overwhelming majority, indeed all but a vanishingly small minority, I suspect, seem to manage without abusing anyone apart from themselves 😀 .
The whole assumption, IMHO, says more about the assumer than the individual who isn’t finding much use for their reproductive organs.
So no, it’s no surprise to me at all that institutional abuse has occured at the hands of non-celibates.]
The assumption was not ‘automatic’. Straw man. I was specific about it being non-deterministic. I also sketched the constellation of factors involved.
I have lost a link to it but both the roman catholic church and the people running the Victorian enquiry are taking seriously the issue of the role of priestly celibacy in sexual abuse.
The idea that all celibacy is somehow equal or the same is a nonsense. Priestly celibacy has a personal/spiritual, religious, cultural and institutional context that makes it unique.
And yes, you are quite right to point to priests taking advantage of their position to sexually abuse women and men as well as children. As has been well-documented by now, quite a few do so. While a proportion of the women/men involved were undoubtedly adults and non-parishioners, a significant proportion were simply not in a position to give ‘consent’, broadly defined.
Thommos pyjama strings when Misty is around!
on her honour as a whore
BB
Hartcher is one who should get a redundancy at Fairfax . Would not be missed. Hockey talks a tough game. May we find out whether he can make a tough decision.
Mod Lib
The issue was whether Joyce interrupted Plibersek first.
You had no right to point out any further interruptions.
So why did you?
Nick off!
There are 4 people who think the ABC is pro-ALP for every one thinking it is pro-LNP.
They don’t think that is their problem. Statistics, statistics and dam lies!
confessions
Yes it really is fast becoming their ABC. However a speed bump was hit tonight with Joyce comments
Any word on Newspoll? Will be one of the latest starts on record if it isn’t out this week.
QandA should reduce the number of panel members from six down to four.
One leftie, One rightie, one business or economic and one social or community minded person.
Or maybe just an hour of Tanya v Barny
[There are 4 people who think the ABC is pro-ALP for every one thinking it is pro-LNP.]
Fair’s fair. For 3 years Qanda used current polling to compile its audience representation. Why change now?
[Centre
Posted Monday, February 3, 2014 at 10:58 pm | PERMALINK
Mod Lib
The issue was whether Joyce interrupted Plibersek first.
You had no right to point out any further interruptions.]
Oh really? No right, eh? Is that in the Magna Carta….I may have missed it.
[So why did you?]
Fun
[Nick off!]
OK. Good night 🙂
Q&A peripherally touched on the issue but did not get to the nitty gritty.
Mum and Dad farmers are an evolutionary dead end in today’s economies. The corporates will hoover them up.
The farm sector has a debt of around $70 billion* and most Mum and Dad farmers will not be able to repay their share of it.
*It is somewhat interesting that the Coalition rants about a Government debt that is much smaller as a proportion of the total economy than the farm debt is as a proportion of the agriculture sector.
The ABC has always been left leaning but as Barney rightly pointed out in rural and regional Australia it is the most trusted media outlet.
I think there is a difference between being bias one way and on purpose mis-reporting a story as appears to be the case with the AS burning their hands on a boat engine.
I’m not sure there is any evidence that celibate priests are more likely to abuse kids than vicars etc who aren’t celibate.
Dio:
The Catholics are going to be fuming when they find out it was all a typo (it was meant to mean “celebrate”, not “celibate”!)
Hehe 😉
Dio
I would not trust the stats one way or another.
But let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the stats say that vicars and priest abuse at the same rate.
That does not preclude causation from being different.
Murdoch’s media is dreadfully biased.
He should be forced to divest.
*night
It became clear tonight that Labor in opposition has yet to formulate a vision and to create its narrative.
The result is that people like Plibersek come onto Q&A and engage in sniping, snapping at the heels, and the like.
Labor needs to formulate its vision.
It can be as broad as.
But it needs to exist and it does not.