The Fairfax papers today offer three attitudinal findings from a ReachTEL automated phone poll, which was conducted on Thursday evening from a sample of 2146 respondents:
• After Tony Abbott’s efforts to place the matter on the agenda earlier this week, a question on ABC bias finds 59.6% of respondents saying there is none. However, conservative critics of the public broadcaster can at least point to the fact that many more think it biased to Labor (32.2%) than the Coalition (8.2%). While the result at both ends may have been influenced by Abbott’s activism, it nonetheless offers an interesting supplement to the yearly ABC-commissioned Newspoll surveys, which consistently find overwhelming majorities considering its reporting to be “balanced and even-handed” without probing into respondents’ partisanship. The Sydney Morning Herald’s graphic features breakdowns by age and gender.
• Support for republicanism appears to be at a low ebb, with 39.4% in favour and 41.6% opposed. Tellingly, the 18-34 cohort joins 65-plus in recording a net negative rating (though by a considerably smaller margin), with those in between recording majorities in favour. Age and gender breakdowns here.
• There’s also a question on who is preferred out of the incumbent Governor-General and her designated successor, with 57.1% favouring Peter Cosgrove versus 42.9% for Quentin Bryce. I do wonder though about a method which requires a definite answer from all respondents to such a question, given the number that wouldn’t have an opinion.
UPDATE: And now a further finding from the poll that 52.5% agree that Labor should distance itself from the union movement”, compared with 25.6% who disagree.
If that was the case, it certainly wouldn’t help the argument against celibacy though. I think you need good evidence about celibacy being a problem with child abuse to use it as an argument against celibacy. There are plenty of other arguments against celibacy which have a firmer basis.
Mod Lib
[Can I remind everyone]
I will remind you that the author of the report you draw those figures from quite clearly states that the Govt of the day cannot claim responsibility for the results you cite. The inability to tease out cause and effect, policy lag times and external factors render your arguments fraudulent. As you well know.
Stop the spin.
Everything @1283
[There are 4 people who think the ABC is pro-ALP for every one thinking it is pro-LNP.]
And for every person who thinks the ABC is pro-ALP there are two who see no bias at all. The figure you quote could just be due to more Coalition supporters being delusional.
I thought Tanya was good, i suspect rural affairs are not her strong point but generally she has been impressive.
I am sure a banker would come up with the correct answer but I suspect that one of the reasons that ma and pa are in debt is because the land is over-capitalised in the sense that there is a poor to negative ROI.
Tipping $7 billion into that situation would not, I would have thought, come anywhere near addressing the core issues.
Maybe but many farms struggle from poor uneven cash flow, which is a nature of what farming is, very dependent on the weather.
Tony Abbott and the ABC
Boerwar:
Labor already has a policy vision courtesy of its time in govt. I didn’t watch Qanda, but I hope it can use that vision to argue against the regressiveness of the Abbott govt.
We’ve had much worse droughts than this one and I can’t remember anyone suggesting we lob $7B at the farmers then.
We now live in the Age of Personal Responsibility according to Hockey. Poor Barnaby was horribly conflicted by having to spout Lib lines whilst being a Nat.
[Diogenes
Posted Monday, February 3, 2014 at 11:08 pm | Permalink
If that was the case, it certainly wouldn’t help the argument against celibacy though. I think you need good evidence about celibacy being a problem with child abuse to use it as an argument against celibacy. There are plenty of other arguments against celibacy which have a firmer basis.]
I suggest you trawl through the discussions surrounding the Victorian state investigations.
The discussions, as I recall, were not particularly statistical. They were about what might broadly be called the dynamics. As someone who is, as they say, a lapsed catholic, who now regards the roman catholic church as a cult, but who was a fervent catholic growing up and someone who survive both being an altar boy and a boarder in a catholic boarding school, at least some of the discussions appeared to me to be making sense.
[There are 4 people who think the ABC is pro-ALP for every one thinking it is pro-LNP]
Or LNP voters are 4 times as stupid as ALP voters.
Or there are 4 times as many LNP hacks as ALP hacks.
Or Andrew Bolts brain is one quarter the size of an average Australian.
Farmers know about weather cycles. Attempts have been made to deal with that. Things like Woolcorp stocking wool in the good times for the bad times.
This bank idea sounds like a variation on that.
confessions
Plibersek got to it in its broadest terms – ‘egalitarianism’ on Q&A but the relevant narrative was pretty well absent tonight and it did not appear to inform her inputs.
outrageous comment by #NewsCorpse shill Nick Cater on Q&A tonight.
No subtlety, not even trying to disguise the threat. Drunk on hubris.
If farmers wish to vote for right-wing free-market small government governments then they should accept the consequences of their actions.
Self-responsibility.
Thrift.
The end of entitlement.
We now live in the Age of Personal Responsibility according to Hockey. Poor Barnaby was horribly conflicted by having to spout Lib lines whilst being a Nat.
Yes time the tory global warming denialists took some personal responsibility for the damage they in part have made. Own up and move on. I can’t remember a time in history where denial of the facts moved us forward.
[guytaur
Posted Monday, February 3, 2014 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
Farmers know about weather cycles. Attempts have been made to deal with that. Things like Woolcorp stocking wool in the good times for the bad times.
This bank idea sounds like a variation on that.]
If your farming operation is basically a means of going broke then what drought does is force the decision. It is simply not enough to ‘know about weather cycles.’
Australia’s wool mountain was an extremely foolish way of trying to manipulate a global commodity. Arguably, all it managed to do at a macro level was speed up the switch to alternative fibres.
Buying bad debt at a discount is essentially propping up the property valuations that lead to uncompetitive ROI.
sprocket
Did cater really say that?
good night all.
victoria
Yes
night bw
Night boerwar and night bludgers
Did you all catch the threat made to @tanya_plibersek by The Australian columnist, Nick Cater on #QandA? #AusPol pic.twitter.com/XZE2DYR915
Here here! FarQU. Absolutely spot on, that’s all I have been trying to say, sick of this bob each way crap. The arguments of “Everything” mean Nothing.
Guytaur
Good grief. Cater is a piece of work.
*night*
[I think there is a difference between being bias one way and on purpose mis-reporting a story as appears to be the case with the AS burning their hands on a boat engine.]
Where has this certainty that the story about burnt hands was wrong?
It only “appears” to be “mis-reporting” because that’s been the assumption, based on Morrison daring reporters to either call him a liar, or criticise our brave boys in the Royal Australian Navy.
He has not offered one whit of rebuttal to the ABC story by way of hard facts, only bluster.
The best counter to the ABC I’ve seen (and it isn’t much) is that Morrison seems “pretty confident” (or wtte) that the story is false.
He was told that if he offered no information that journalists would do their best to fill in the gaps.
He has replied to this with pure bluster and calls on jingoistic “patriotism” to shut up his critics.
This is EXACTLY how Reith treated the Children Overboard story. And it was a lie from start to finish.
Until more convincing evidence than Morrison’s word, or the “good name” of the RAN (which has a ship doing patrols off Xmas Island that is full of serial abusers, bastardizers and sexual molesters) is offered up,I believe the ABC story.
The assumption that it is wrong is entirely based on the LACK of rebuttal information from Morrison.
@tim_chr: Liberal insiders fear Sharman Stone may quit the party over the SPC decision. http://t.co/9IUH7vT1av #auspol
If someone was seriously criticising the SPCA enterprise agreement because it allowed for a drink of water every hour they are admitting a high level of ignorance of pretty much any workplace. I think people in white-collar jobs take for granted their freedom of movement in many respects, especially those at the higher levels. At our workplace we rotate between positions on the process line every half hour. Why? Because it greatly reduces the risk of RSI and other injuries. I doesn’t come from any heaven sent goodwill on the part of the management. It saves them money, in a number of ways, both from having to train people up to a basic level of competence, from workcover and from worksafe.
(Another thing, on hot days at the meeting we are told to keep our fluids up. Once, after going full pelt for about 20 minutes there was a break in the line and we had a few minutes to rest. We used that opportunity to drink water. The boss happened to be there and objected to us “doing nothing”.)
Nick Cater is the latest Corporate fanboi. It’s all good fun til the money runs out.
I should add that, before my time they only rotated when people had more or less reached the point of injury. It also created a system that was quite unfair, in that people were in “harder” and “easier” positions for unequal periods of time and encountered all kinds of problem. The simple logic of the rotation system really makes me wonder why they hadn’t thought of it earlier and it doesn’t happen in more workplaces similar to my current one
Not only was the ABC merely reporting news, the exact same news was reported on every major media outlet in the country. The latest accusations were likewise reported. I read them on the NT News yesterday. That such bullshit is taken seriously is farcical.
Goodnight.
Fran Barlow@1271
Well I can imagine Australia supporting at least one vehicle manufacturer.
Germany, a bit over 3 times our population has how many?
Mercedes Benz, Porshe, Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Opel. Have I missed any?
Opel is a GM subsidiary, but all the others are German as far as I am aware.
Were there any Australian car manufacturers? NO! So all decisions were made in board rooms overseas. Whether Australian factories could export or not was decided by foreigners with no stake in Australia.
My dream is that the management and workers of Holden would be able to secure backing to take over the GMH plants and become a true Australian manufacturer and take on the world. We have the design skills here if an Australian manufacturer would unleash them. We should not try to compete on volume and price, but go for quality.
What say you BK?
Bugler:
Ameliorating corporate risk to employee ill health is the primary reason why office workers are encouraged to take regular breaks, drink lots of water etc.
It’s not like they love us and want to pamper us.
BW, my post was more of a general one, perhaps prompted by rather than in specific reply to, yours. I certainly do not think that you, personally, make the assumption automatically that celibacy=motivation for child abuse. However it is something which comes up regularly in discussion of the subject of priestly abuse and, based on unscientific observation of opinions over many years (multiple decades now), has been made by many for a veryu long time.
Night guytaur.
Nick Carter just another Un-Australian working for a other Non-Australian. I relish the days when Aussies were mates, bottom line.
To be fair Boerwar, Tanya barely got a moment to articulate said vision. The first half was the ABC and journalism, then pretty much a stage for Barnaby to self destruct, which of course he did. This is a long game and Tanya tonight easily outpointed bumbling, bombastic, bellicose Barnaby.. His pain at the LNP coaltion was laid bare for all to see. Something has to give soon … Cant see the Nats putting up with daily humiliation by the LP.
Confessions,
I wasn’t having a dig at office workers. I’ll likely be working behind a desk in 5-10 years as well. It was more directed at a comment mexicanbeemer made about people objecting to water breaks, I’m not sure it it was from Sloan (surely she’s not that stupid) or the Catallaxy Files or some Coalition frontbencher (who probably are). The one common thread between them is that they’d all work in jobs where they can get a drink of water whenever they damn well want to. We, as process line attendants, can’t. This is despite working in a non-air-conditioned environment doing manual labour at sometimes quite a fast pace. You can’t just leave. That gets someone fired or hurt or worse. Even if you’re just inspecting stuff you can’t just assume it’s going to be good because it has before. A damaged product can cause significant damage to the machines or people if not dealt with.
Bugler:
I nearly responded to mexican that you can’t compare office workers with those who work in factory environments because the imagery I have of factory workers is exactly as you describe: you can’t just leave, even for a few minutes.
I didn’t because I have no lived experience of working in a factory, and therefore can’t speak from knowledge.
But everything you say makes intuitive sense to me.
I have to say I do have mixed feelings about the other MB, meher baba’s post on positions such as mine. I think it’s a bit naive to move the economy onto solely or mostly niche agriculture and high-tech manufacturing. Large portions of the population are never going to be educated/competent enough to fill those positions. He is unfortunately right, though, in the sense that there are people too stupid to work in basically any job. I won’t elaborate but other than to say it wasn’t an opinion I held until recently.
Well before i go, a little piece of research i have been conducting due to claims by some here that there is a big difference between schools in well off areas verses poorer areas.
As someone who has been to schools in difference areas i felt the claims needed to be tested.
Firstly i have sampled only those people that i went to school with (same year level), that i am still in touch with or were able to identify what they were now doing.
The same size is less than 500 but i may continue to identify a larger sample.
The survey was based on the professional outcomes as an indicator of quality of schooling.
The thing i have found and this is the part which may surprise some but it would appear that the career outcomes for kids who went to state schools in middle class areas and poorer area are mostly the same.
There doesn’t appear to be any great career disadvantage faced by kids who went to school in the poorer area school.
Pretty much every kid sampled from both sets of school, seem to have advanced to live a normal life with good employment and healthy families.
I am not sure if this indicates anything in particular or if it confirms the view often put by Zoomster about changes to the education standards over the past 20 years.
Buglar
What are those mixed feelings?
Confessions,
I certainly didn’t intend on working in one. But I needed to work, it was a job that was there and could be held as long as I wanted at full time hours, and work may be willing to allow me to work part time hours while I study part time. I didn’t quite have the attitude for retail (plus when I worked at a liquor store it almost killed my conscience) and I get more money than in retail (here my age is irrelevant and I’ve already progressed up a pay grade). Having worked in another factory this one has less blokey bullshit (once a guy brought in food he had cooked himself and one of the supervisors scoffed “are you going to come in a dress tomorrow, hun?” It would have been comical if it wasn’t so out-of-the-blue viscious), and I get along quite well with the people in this one, largely because there are more people my age and they aren’t afraid of being fired at the drop of a hat.
Something I do often ask myself, though, is “what will I put on my resume when applying for jobs in my preferred area or for internships”. Primary Industry and manufacturing has little, if any, relevance to my preferred area (sorry dad).
Well we did get some Tasmanian voting intentions with Liberal primary at 48.5%, ALP 25.8%. ReachTel Poll as per the Ghost.
ReachTEL Poll Tasmania State Voting Intention:
ALP 25.8 LIB 48.8 GRN 15.3 PUP 4.8
I think we were holding out for something bigger tonight but thank you Ghost.
Lets take a step back, Sharmain Stone on Sky News pointed out that the AFR had unfairly attacked the SPCA workers EBA and she made reference to the article picking up on an item within the EBA which allowed workers to take a break to get a drink every hour or so as they were in an unair-conditioned factory.
My point was fully in support of Sharmine Stone’s disgust at the AFR for picking on that workplace condition.
My reference to office workers was that we are encouraged to take regular breaks and many members of the cabinet would be familiar with that as most of them claim to have held office jobs so why would they then be picking on the workers at SPCA for getting a drink.
I went on too question if the government actually understood what productivity is as they don’t seem to haev a clue.
mexicanbeemer,
The place of low-skilled workers in a specialised economy. To an extent I can understand, despite its apparent callousness, the argument that some people are better off out of the workforce. However, most of the people working in jobs such as those at SPCA aren’t such people. I work with people who may not have finished school and have difficulty reading, but are nonetheless high functioning. If they showed the interest they could certainly join in discussions such as we’re having now. It is a partly emotive objection, I’ll give you that, but I guess someone has to give the personal perspective on these things. I do like meher baba’s posts, though, even if I often object to some of the things they say.
ReachTEL polled 1984 voters on January 20.