Call of the board: part one

Short and sharp reflections on some of the more interesting electorate results, starting with New South Wales, Queensland and the Northern Territory.

What follows is a brief overview of the results in electorates I felt worth commenting on for one reason or another, together with projections of state vote shares based on ordinary votes results (which are not quite fully accounted for in the count, but close enough to it) and the extent to which postals, pre-polls and absent votes shifted the totals in 2010. New South Wales, Queensland and the Northern Territory are covered herein, with the others to follow.

New South Wales

		%	Swing	Projection
Coalition	47.3	+2.6	47.2
Labor		34.9	-2.8	34.5
Greens		7.7	-2.2	8.1
Palmer United	4.3
Others		5.8

Two-party preferred

Coalition	54.2	+3.2	54.3
Labor		45.8	-3.2	45.7

Banks. The 3.3% swing which ousted Daryl Melham was almost exactly equal to the state total, which followed an 8.9% swing in 2010. An increase in the number of candidates from four to nine restricted the Liberal primary vote gain to 1.7% and contributed to a halving of the Greens vote, down from 9.6% to 4.7%.

Barton. The seat vacated by former Attorney-General Robert McClelland is going down to the wire, the 6.9% margin exactly matched by the swing on ordinary votes. This was the second biggest swing against Labor in Sydney after Macquarie. Barton was another seat that witnessed a dramatic proliferation of candidates, from three to eight, with the five minor party and independent newcomers collectively drawing 11.3%. The Liberals nonetheless increased their primary vote slightly, the balance coming off Labor and the Greens.

Blaxland. Reports on the eve of the election suggested Labor had grave fears for Jason Clare’s hold on Paul Keating’s old seat, despite its 12.2% margin. This proved entirely unfounded, with Labor up 5.4% on the primary vote and holding steady on two-party preferred.

Charlton. For some reason, the seat vacated by Greg Combet gave the Palmer United Party what was comfortably its highest vote in New South Wales at 11.3% (UPDATE: Frickeg in comments reminds me the belated disendorsement of the Liberal candidate probably had something to do with it). The party’s second best showing in the state was 7.8% in neighbouring Hunter. That aside, Combet’s departure did not cause any disturbance to Labor, the two-party swing being slightly below the state average.

Dobell. Craig Thomson managed 4.0%, which was at least better than Peter Slipper and contributed to a double-digit drop in the Labor primary vote, their worst such result in the state. Also contributing was former test cricketer Nathan Bracken, running as an independent with the backing of John Singleton, who managed 8.3%. The Liberal primary vote was up slightly, and its 5.9% swing on two-party preferred adequate to account for the 5.5% margin.

Eden-Monaro. Mike Kelly appeared to be well placed early in the count, but the larger and later reporting booths, including those in Queanbeyan, tended to swing more heavily. Kelly is presently sitting on a swing of 4.8%, enough to account for his 4.4% margin barring late count peculiarities and maintain Eden-Monaro’s cherished bellwether record. This was higher than the state average, part of a pattern in which swings in the state’s regions were actually slightly higher than in Sydney, contrary to all expectations.

Fowler. After all the hype about Labor’s looming collapse in western Sydney, a seat in that very area produced the most anomalous swing of the election in Labor’s favour. The 9.0% swing to Chris Hayes was 12.2% above the statewide par for Labor, and was fuelled by an 11.2% drop in the Liberal primary vote and swings approaching 20% in Cabramatta, the very area the Liberals had hoped to target by picking a Vietnamese candidate in Andrew Nguyen. However, look at the seat’s behaviour over longer range suggests this to have been a correction after an anomalous result in 2010, when Liberal candidate Thomas Dang slashed the Labor margin by 13.8% and picked up swings ranging from 16.5% to 23.1% in the Cambramatta booths.

Gilmore. The south coast seat was one of three in New South Wales to swing to Labor, presumably on account of the retirement of long-serving Liberal member Joanna Gash. Her successor, Ann Sudmalis, has emerged with 2.6% remaining of a 5.3% margin.

Grayndler. The Greens vote fell only modestly, by 1.2% to 22.8%, but it looks enough to have cost them a second place they attained for the first time in 2010. With primary votes generally fairly static, the change in Liberal preferencing policy would presumably have inflicted a hefty two-party swing if they had made the final count.

Hunter. Joel Fitzgibbon was down 10.1% on the primary vote, and while this was partly on account of the Palmer United Party’s second best performance in the state, he also suffered Labor’s biggest two-party swing in the state at 8.9%.

Kingsford Smith. One of a number of pieces of saved furniture for Labor in Sydney, Kingsford Smith turned in a largely status quo result in Peter Garrett’s absence, outgoing Senator Matt Thistlethwaite easily defending a 5.2% margin against a swing of 1.9%.

Lindsay. The swing that unseated David Bradbury was slightly on the high side for Sydney at 3.5%, more than accounting for a margin of 1.1% without meeting the more fevered expectations of a western Sydney disaster.

Macarthur. Liberal sophomore Russell Matheson picked up the second biggest two-party Coalition swing in New South Wales, up 6.8% on the primary vote and 8.4% on two-party preferred.

Page. The expectation that Labor would perform better in regional New South Wales than in Sydney was most strikingly defied in Page, where Janelle Saffin unexpectedly fell victim to a 7.2% swing.

Parramatta. Julie Owens’ seat produced a fairly typical result for Sydney in swinging 3.4% to the Liberals, which hasn’t been enough to account for the 4.4% margin. (UPDATE: I speak too soon. In keeping with a general trend of late counting away from Labor, postal votes are flowing heavily to the Liberals and putting Owens at very serious risk.)

Robertson. As expected, the seat Deborah O’Neill did well to retain in 2010 with a margin of 1.0% was an early election night casualty for Labor, the swing of 4.0% being perfectly typical for non-metropolitan New South Wales.

Throsby. Gary “Angry” Anderson managed 10.5% as candidate of the Nationals, nearly doubling the party’s vote from 2010 despite the number of candidates being up from five to 11. The Greens conversely were well down, by 6.5% to 5.3%.

Werriwa. Frequently written off during the campaign, Laurie Ferguson is set to retain about 2.2% of his 6.8% margin from 2010.

Queensland

		%	Swing	Projection
Coalition	45.3	-1.9	45.5
Labor		30.1	-3.9	29.7
Greens		6.1	-4.7	6.2
Palmer United	11.3
Others		7.2

Two-party preferred

Coalition	56.0	+1.1	56.3
Labor		44.0	-1.1	43.7

Blair. One Labor MP with good cause to feel glad about Kevin Rudd’s return was Shayne Neumann, who picked up a 1.4% two-party swing and held firm on the primary vote in the face of 12.8% vote for the Palmer United Party. Here as elsewhere in Queensland, the Greens crashed in the absence of the Kevin Rudd protest vote in 2010, dropping 6.9% to 4.2%.

Brisbane. While Labor had much to be relieved about in Queensland, its high hopes for recovering Brisbane were not realised, with Liberal National Party member Teresa Gamabaro up 1.8% on the primary vote, Labor steady. A 6.9% drop in the Greens vote to 14.3%, coming off Andrew Bartlett’s high-profile campaign in 2010, produced a significantly weaker flow of preferences to Labor.

Capricornia. The central Queensland seat vacated by Kirsten Livermore is going down to the wire after a heavy 8.9% drop in the Labor primary vote. This was mostly down to the competition from the Palmer and Katter parties, the former outscoring the latter 7.9% to 5.3%. With the Liberal National Party vote little changed, Labor suffered a 4.4% swing on ordinary votes off a margin of 4.6%.

Fairfax. Clive Palmer seems to be fighting to hold on to a 1411 against a strong trend in late counting towards Liberal National Party candidate Ted O’Brien. However, O’Brien’s current vote count looks to have been inflated by a discrepancy you can read about here. As things stand, the key to Palmer’s potential victory is his clear success in outpolling Labor 27.3% to 18.1% on ordinary votes, with LNP candidate Ted O’Brien’s 41.0% below the safety zone with Labor and Greens preferences flowing strongly against him.

Fisher. With Palmer United Party candidate Bill Schoch apparently primed to overtake Labor on preferences, despite trailing them 21.0% to 18.3% on the primary vote, Mal Brough’s 43.8% share of the vote was an uncomfortably long distance from the 50% mark. Nonetheless, Brough appears to be gaining about a quarter of the overall preferences on offer, enough to get him over the line with a few per cent to spare.

Griffith. Kevin Rudd suffered Labor’s equal biggest swing in Queensland of 5.2%, with Bill Glasson’s 5.9% lift on the primary vote the second highest achieved by an LNP candidate.

Kennedy. Bob Katter emerged a big loser of election night with a 17.1% slump in his primary vote, reducing him to 29.5%. Liberal National Party candidate Noeline Ikin was the beneficiary of a 14.0% spike that put her well in front on the primary vote count with 40.6%, but preferences are flowing solidly enough to Katter to leave him with a margin slightly below 3%.

Leichhardt. There was strong movement to Labor in Aboriginal communities, doubtless reflecting the background of Labor candidate Billy Gordon. This briefly created the illusion of a potential Labor victory as the first booth-matched results came through on election night, but that was negated by a strong performance by LNP member Warren Entsch in Cairns and the electorate’s rural areas.

Lilley. The 1.6% swing against Wayne Swan was well in line with the statewide norm, and if anything a little above it. Given the pre-election publicity though, Swan’s success in retaining almost all of his 2010 primary vote was among the results that lifted Labor’s spirits on an otherwise grim evening.

Petrie. Kevin Rudd’s election night boast of having defended all of Labor’s Queensland seats to the contrary, it appears that Yvette d’Ath has been unseated by a swing of 3.0% on the ordinary votes, compared with her pre-election margin of 2.5%.

Northern Territory

		%	Swing	Projection
Coalition	41.2	+0.8	41.6
Labor		38.3	-0.2	37.7
Greens		7.7	-5.0	7.9
Palmer United	4.6
Others		8.2

Two-party preferred

Coalition	49.7	+0.9	50.1
Labor		50.3	-0.9	49.9

Lingiari. As usual, swings in the extra-Darwin Northern Territory electorate were all over the shop, the general picture being of a slight swing to Labor in remote communities blunting the swing against Labor to 2.7%, short of Warren Snowdon’s 3.7% margin. This followed a 2010 result which delivered huge swings to the Country Liberal Party in remote communities but partly balanced them out with strong swings to Labor in the major centre, specifically Alice Springs.

Solomon. Natasha Griggs, who unseated Labor’s Damien Hale in 2010, notably failed to enjoy a sophomore surge, Solomon delivering a rare 0.7% swing to Labor to reduce the CLP margin to 0.9%.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. That’s a silly response even for you, mod. I think the English language and humanity generally would benefit greatly if global claims were eliminated from the language, or at least only used fir their actual meaning.

  2. [My point is that many more voters may be ticked off at the thought of voting for a Carr and getting a Howse than are worried about having voted for a micro-party and elected someone from another micro-party.]

    99% of people neither know nor care who is in the Senate. The Senate casual vacancy system was not invented by Labor.

  3. Dutton was despised by Treasury when he was Assistant Treasurer in the Howard Government. Just not a very bright bloke…. Sadly unable to get on top of the issues he was meant to be the decision maker for eg, tax policy. I’m told he was lazy and disinterested. It was just too hard for him. So decision inertia set in. Welcome to the new world folks!

  4. Anyway, let me know when Rudd gives the Labor Party back to the Labor Party so that I can get back to supporting it with HTVCs, prepolling duty and the like.

    ——— you mean give it back to the unions
    the unions are good but they should not running a major party in 2013. time for reform and rebranding even renaming – and what do they want to do – appoint a union bloody drab bloody boss shorten and kick the only reformer in rear. madness. ship of fools indeed

  5. Psephos@1077

    My own view is that Labor would do well to give up Messiah hunting. No more leaders who meet some desirable image or presentation, only to have zero management skills when it comes down to it.


    Yes, look at Abbott. All the appeal of a hammerhead shark, and he’s about to become PM. Thanks, Kevin.

    Ummm excuse me, but wasn’t all the instability kicked off by a bunch of morons who backstabbed Kev?

    The party was lucky he was prepared to take on the onerous task of leadership when it was offered to him back in June this year when it was almost certainly too late to recover from the ‘Gillard effect’.

    Please stop re-writing history.

  6. Sean T
    After spending nigh on 3 years castigating mining billionaires by the Greens and ALP Members I find it a bit hypocritical that they decided on the one seat that a real, actual, red blooded mining Billionaire was running, they somehow managed to put the guy above the Lib candidate on their how-to-vote cards instead of last where you would expect him to be.

    In a post the other day you admitted that you didn’t even vote Liberal

    Go away little man with your hypocrisy

  7. bemused
    Posted Thursday, September 12, 2013 at 9:49 pm | PERMALINK
    Psephos@1077

    My own view is that Labor would do well to give up Messiah hunting. No more leaders who meet some desirable image or presentation, only to have zero management skills when it comes down to it.

    Yes, look at Abbott. All the appeal of a hammerhead shark, and he’s about to become PM. Thanks, Kevin.

    Ummm excuse me, but wasn’t all the instability kicked off by a bunch of morons who backstabbed Kev?

    The party was lucky he was prepared to take on the onerous task of leadership when it was offered to him back in June this year when it was almost certainly too late to recover from the ‘Gillard effect’.

    Please stop re-writing history.

    ————-excellent potted history. appears shorten and co about the re-write history – now how many times is that?
    next thing howsy will be on front bench. this is a complete joke

  8. I’m hoping at least two other MPs decide to nominate …Albanese + Dreyfus ….or even Clare. Would be a healthy sign of genuine democracy at work within the parliamentary Labor party….

    Say Shorten gets 20% of member vote + 40% of caucus = 30% overall
    Then Albo gets 40% of member vote + 20% of caucus = 30% overall
    Then Dreyfus gets 40% of member vote + 40% of caucus = 40% overall

    Dreyfus wins…

    Whatever happens …whoever nominates …if there are two or more candidates, the members MUST get a vote…

  9. so what was story with anti shorten twitter or did i miss it?

    i do not want to lectured to by a union neogitator. gillard was too much and bad enough.

    (neither do i want to lectured by green moralising, or lib righteousness)

    rudd is best one going and he stood down!!???

  10. it will be good (not) to see labor at very first opportunity walk away from a democratic reform – backdoor consensus vs transparency …

  11. I was extremely and exceptionally unfortunate today to come across a copy of the Daily Disease.

    I might go and see my GP tomorrow to get a blood test in case I have caught anything that may be worth treating before it is too late to cure.

    I strongly recommend to every member of the Labor Party that they have nothing to do with the dirty rag ever again.

    Give the Daily Telegraph a big miss. Never contribute to their content ever again.

    Honestly, it would be a really wise and worthwhile move!

  12. AussieAchmed
    Posted Thursday, September 12, 2013 at 9:53 pm | PERMALINK
    next thing howsy will be on front bench. this is a complete joke

    from the Senate?

    ——–carr is FM. am i missing something?

  13. [ But clearly not a very bright one. ]

    So, genius … just how well did your pick for leader do in the last election?

    Oh, yes that’s right … he saved some imaginary furniture, but lost control of the senate!

    Really well done, Ace! If I was a liberal, I would be lobbying for the ALP to put you in charge of strategy.

  14. Dee

    Posted Thursday, September 12, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    The Coalition has hit back at an online petition to scrap its National Broadband Network plan, saying the election victory gives it a mandate to implement its policy.
    =======———===========———–============-

    “Dr Nelson is right to resist the intellectual bullying inherent in talk of ‘mandates’.”: Tony Abbott, 2007.

    Hypocrisy or stupidity??

  15. i am not a union member, i do not vote for these officials, and do not like them proliferating in priveleged positions inside the party – am not anti union, but this is lose/lose sitations and despite the six years union entitlement is still occurring. no lessons learnt.

  16. [Please stop re-writing history.]

    You will find that is now all they have to justify themselves. Continue with inventions on Rudd at the beginning and rewrite the events thereafter.

  17. Outsider@1097

    Psephos i think the question is a slightly different one. It was more about how real,the ideological divide between the left and right is? Is it as big as the divide within the right itself in Victoria? Just asking!

    IMHO there is approximately zero ideological difference and it is largely personalities and tribal.

    It is also self perpetuating as factions are the vehicles by which individuals garner support for a tilt at public office and other prizes.

    It will take some radical change to break this down but I believe it is possible. I think the first step is in allowing more direct elections within the party and for pre-selections.

  18. OK, lets get this straight, last Saturday was a classic example of the electors voting a Government out. regardless of cost, rather than people voting for any party or anyone person to become PM.

    IMO, there are parallels that can be drawn between last Saturday, and the Victorian state election in 1992 (?)
    Then, Victorians were intent to chuck out the ‘Cain/Kirner’ Government, no matter what the consequences. Then the leader of the opposition, Kennett, was both despised and mistrusted, as is Abbott.
    The Victorian Fibs could have provided Osama Bin-Laden as their leader in that election, and Victorians still would have chucked the Cain/Kirner Government out. Likewise, the Coalition, could have given us Ghengis Khan, and they still would have beaten Rudd/Gillard.
    Then, as now, the “experts”, as well as the usual obseqious Fiberal accolytes, danced on the grave of an ALP Governemt, all condescendingly proclaiming that the ALP ‘was finished’, that they would be out for a generation, if they were lucky, the ALP might be the benficiary of a ‘Miracle’ upset victory, but only after at least three terms in opposition.
    But this is the thing, and something Fibs here should really consider, just like Abbott, Kennett was both Mistrusted and deeply disliked, and withing 8 years, he was no more than a feather duster.
    Kennett ran with hubris from the get-go, and as soon as the ALP got their act together, they were able to despatch Jeff to the history books.
    IMHO, the big difference that I can tell is that at least Kennett had some policies, and you knew what he stood for.
    We dont even know what Abbott stands for, beyond three word slogans.
    Providing the ALP can sort out their oppostion leadership team quick smart, keep Abbott accountable whilst reminding the Electorate of the Rudd/Gillard governments legislative record (BISONS et al), there is no reason why what the Victorian ALP achieved in 1999 can not be replecated federally.
    Considering that the Coalions has absolutly no polices, and is led by a ‘whether vane’, there is absolutley no reasion why they can’t consign Abbott to being a ‘one-term wonder’.
    It’s not even beyond the realms of probibility that Abbott will not even be leader at the next election.

  19. ML

    [Lets see whether he is up to the challenge….he appears to have been up to this point.]

    The ALP set the bar very low, it’s true.

  20. [Bugler
    Posted Thursday, September 12, 2013 at 9:47 pm | PERMALINK
    That’s a silly response even for you, mod. I think the English language and humanity generally would benefit greatly if global claims were eliminated from the language, or at least only used fir their actual meaning.]

    I think it would be helpful if some here realised that their personal world view is not the only one out there.

    You think Gillard is a stay.

    I, and the vast majority of 14 million Australian voters, think she was a dud.

    Yes, she was very slick at taking hostile questions, and talking slowly in response, with robotic media-management-1.01 stock standard responses which said nothing and made no admission of the hypocrisy of her position.

    Abbott is not my guy as you may or may not know. However, he at least answered questions. Sometimes TOO honestly if anything (e.g., “Sometimes you say things in the heat of the moment but it is only things that you have said after careful consideration that should be taken as Gospel” or wtte). In fact, and this point is often missed by many here, I reckon the Australian voter likes someone who is blunt and forthright and doesn’t beat around the bush and obfuscate, even if the opinion they are discussing is not popular in and of itself.

    This is a critical point that the current ALP misses repeatedly IMO and long may it continue.

  21. Nobody should nominate.

    Let Shorten take up the fight.

    Do you think Labor are going to win the next election do you 😆

    Go grab a copy of the Daily Disease 😯

  22. Psephos @ 1102: I tend to agree with you, but if you are correct, there doesn’t seem to be much of a case for change to the Senate voting system. By the way, do you recall from whence came that element of the 1977 constitutional amendments which brought us to the current situation in which an appointee to a Senate casual vacancy serves the balance of his or her predecessor’s term?

  23. [ no one has explained why shorten is being considered at all ]

    Mainly because Shorten at least has the ability to gain and hold the leadership in the face of an ALP that still seems hell-bent on self-immolation.

  24. markjs@1109

    I’m hoping at least two other MPs decide to nominate …Albanese + Dreyfus ….or even Clare. Would be a healthy sign of genuine democracy at work within the parliamentary Labor party….

    Say Shorten gets 20% of member vote + 40% of caucus = 30% overall
    Then Albo gets 40% of member vote + 20% of caucus = 30% overall
    Then Dreyfus gets 40% of member vote + 40% of caucus = 40% overall

    Dreyfus wins…

    Whatever happens …whoever nominates …if there are two or more candidates, the members MUST get a vote…

    I agree with much of that, but surely it should be some sort of preferential vote if there are more than 2 candidates?

  25. [Anyway, let me know when Rudd gives the Labor Party back to the Labor Party so that I can get back to supporting it with HTVCs, prepolling duty and the like.]

    The Australian public wants to know when faceless men will give a Labor government back to the voters.

    Still waiting for Julia Gillard’s apology to Rudd and Australians.

  26. Mod Lib

    I lost 😯

    But it’s ok, I’ll be recording another winning year on the footy 😛

    WOW this weekend is going to be orgasmic.

    Go:

    – Bunnies

    – Cows

    – Eagles

    – Nu Ca Stle

    Give them strength

    🙂

  27. Player One@1115

    But clearly not a very bright one.


    So, genius … just how well did your pick for leader do in the last election?

    Oh, yes that’s right … he saved some imaginary furniture, but lost control of the senate!

    Really well done, Ace! If I was a liberal, I would be lobbying for the ALP to put you in charge of strategy.

    You want to know how well Rudd went and what he achieved in the 2013 election? Well here is an informed assessment: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/labor-campaign-under-scrutiny/4944952

  28. [ Still waiting for Julia Gillard’s apology to Rudd and Australians. ]

    I’ll bet you really enjoyed Rudd’s “victory” speech, didn’t you?

  29. [By the way, do you recall from whence came that element of the 1977 constitutional amendments which brought us to the current situation in which an appointee to a Senate casual vacancy serves the balance of his or her predecessor’s term?]

    Up until then there were “by-elections” for the Senate, held on the date of the next general election, which violated the proportionality principle which has governed Senate elections since 1949.

    For example, the Qld Labor Senator Max Poulter died in 1962. So at the 1963 election, a special election was held to fill the vacancy, which of course the Liberals won. The system introduced in 1977 preserves the proportional balance of the Senate as decided by the voters.

  30. [Tanya Plibersek is the stand-out candidate for Leader.]

    Big problem with that is being the first LOTO after an election she is likely to fail….and be replaced. That wouldn’t look good to the public.

  31. By the way, do you recall from whence came that element of the 1977 constitutional amendments which brought us to the current situation in which an appointee to a Senate casual vacancy serves the balance of his or her predecessor’s term?
    ===============

    What was the change of Rule after Fraser and the Kerr sacking of Whitlam?

    I seem to recall that was in part caused by a change in the balance in the Senate

  32. [ You want to know how well Rudd went and what he achieved in the 2013 election? Well here is an informed assessment: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/labor-campaign-under-scrutiny/4944952 ]

    Are you finally developing a sense of humour, bemused?

    First para of that article:

    [ As recriminations begin within the Labor Party following Saturday’s election result, a senior figure in over 30 years of Labor campaigns, Rod Cameron, has called Kevin Rudd’s pitch to voters the ‘worst central campaign the Labor party has ever run’ ]

  33. Had the very enjoyable experience of seeing the Wharf Review at Riverside Parramatta tonight. Their season runs through in various NSW locations through to December 23.

    As it was a only their 4th show this year, and some of the narrative has yet to unfold, they will sharpen things up. But still a brilliant effort by some real stars of Australian theatre. Beg borrow or buy a ticket.

    My favourites were the Obeid Christmas Carols, the Arab Spring, Bill Shorten as Macbeth, and the losers in the Culture wars where the ABC gets nuked leaving just Bob Ellis and Marieke Hardy.

    The final number follows the Wizard of Oz, where Dorothy a disillusioned ALP voter heads off down the Hume to see the Wizard (Bob Hawke), along the way picking up luminaries who point out what is wrong with the ALP today – the Scarecrow ( Bob Carr who says the ALP has no brain), The Tin Man Paul Keating ( no heart), and the Lion (Kim Beazley – no courage).

    As for the Liberals, preening and poncing in heir born to rule manner.

  34. Mod Lib,

    I not unaware of other opinions. Gillard was of course a politician and so did what politicians do. I do object to the suggestion she only or largely used pre-written responses. She was very giid on her feet at press conferences and at public events, something I’ve witnessed in person. However my support fir Gillard was largely about what she did rather than what she said. I could trust Gillard to do something she said she would more than a lot of politicians, including the three other names thrown around in leadership gossip. I don’t intend to go further. I’m merely stating my opinion/impressions.

    I will add that despite much talk of the Rudd factor it appears to have achieved little in terms of electoral outcomes. Similarly it could be pointed out your preferred leader did very poorly in opinion polls, and taken at face value would have lead the party to a massive defeat.

    I am merely saying I personally have had great respect for Gillard, and have reasons that extend beyond feelings and polling. That and respecting alternate opinions does not mean I have to roll over and have my belly rubbed by them

  35. Player One@1143

    You want to know how well Rudd went and what he achieved in the 2013 election? Well here is an informed assessment: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/labor-campaign-under-scrutiny/4944952


    Are you finally developing a sense of humour, bemused?

    First para of that article:

    As recriminations begin within the Labor Party following Saturday’s election result, a senior figure in over 30 years of Labor campaigns, Rod Cameron, has called Kevin Rudd’s pitch to voters the ‘worst central campaign the Labor party has ever run’

    Oh, so you can do selective quoting. I didn’t want to do that so rather than quote the relevant section of the article I gave you the link.

    So try this smart-arse.
    [Mr Cameron was a vocal backer of Kevin Rudd against Julia Gillard in the months leading up to the Labor leadership spill this year, and believes that his calls were vindicated despite a disastrous result.
    No amount of good campaigning would have turned Labor’s vote around under Julia Gillard’s leadership, he said.
    ‘If Julia Gillard had been leading Labor, it wouldn’t have been 57 seats that Labor got, it would have been 37 or even fewer,’ he said.

    ‘The electoral wipeout which I think both sides were actually expecting would have actually occurred. When Julia Gillard was deposed as Labor leader she had a primary vote of 29 per cent, and with the Palmer factor that would have taken a few percent off that, then Labor’s vote would have been in the mid 20s.’
    ‘I think it is just rewriting history to suggest that the result would have been better with Gillard. Even though Rudd ran a dreadful campaign, he certainly achieved a better result.’]

  36. I for one think that the Rudd hater MPs should be out in the press slagging Rudd as much as possible. I am curious to see how low they could get Labor’s PV.

  37. I have never seen a faster turnaround in an economy than Australia in the last 4 days. And with very little data!

    unemployment is up

    Myer profits are down

    Boats are still coming

    and my power bill hasn’t gone down

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