Two new poll findings to start the day with:
• The Australian today publishes the quarterly Newspoll breakdowns for April-June, but absent tables we will have to wait until the morning for a detailed idea of the results (UPDATE: They’re here). From Dennis Shanahan’s report we can glean that the Coalition leads 62-38 in either New South Wales or Western Australia (presumably the latter), and by at least 55-45 in the other; by at least 55-45 in Queensland; and by 54-46 in South Australia. Labor however holds a “slim lead”, probably meaning 51-49, in Victoria. The headline “gender war misfires for Julia Gillard” summarises The Australian’s take on the gender breakdowns, though five of the six individual polls the results were compiled from were in fact conducted before the event this presumably refers to.
• The Australian Financial Review today publishes a JWS Research automated phone poll of 3903 respondents from Labor-held seats on margins of up to 12%, pointing to an overall swing against Labor of 7.6%. By state, this pans out to swings of 7.6% across 16 seats in New South Wales, 4.2% across 11 seats in Victoria, 6.2% across eight seats in Queensland, 10.6% across three seats in Tasmania, 9.2% across three seats in Western Australia, and 14.4% across four seats in South Australia. Kevin Rudd was found to have a net approval rating of minus 4% compared with minus 12% for Julia Gillard and minus 14% for Tony Abbott (a “no particular view” option no doubt explaining the relatively mildness of these results compared with other pollsters’ net ratings). A question on whether Kevin Rudd should challenge Julia Gillard found 33% supportive and 54% opposed, which is very close to the 34% and 52% Galaxy elicited in response to a question on whether Julia Gillard should resign to make way for him. However, whereas the Galaxy poll found Coalition voters slightly less resistant to Galaxy’s change option than Labor voters, JWS Research found significantly fewer Coalition voters supporting a challenge (29% supportive against 59% opposed) than Labor voters (40% against 53%). Thirty-five per cent of all respondents said they would be more likely to vote Labor if Rudd replaced Gillard against 16% for less likely, with net results of 32% among Labor voters, 6% among Coalition voters and 20% among “others”.
TBW
Yes the hypocrisy is breathtaking.
I am just trying to grasp what McTernan was thinking.
Is this a pitch the gray, monarchist ultra~conservative
vote? It beggars belief that this got past the stage of being
a bad idea to even get seriously considered.
TBW
Yes the hypocrisy is breathtaking.
I am just trying to grasp what McTernan was thinking.
Is this a pitch the gray, monarchist ultra~conservative
vote? It beggars belief that this got past the stage of being
a bad idea to even get seriously considered.
Having employed 457 visa employees I appreciate their value. I doubt we will use 457’s again though.
Why is it that the Liberals have a problem with the Government seeking to ensure that employers are properly abiding by the conditions of the 457 visa legislation?
Is it because they are being told to by the billionaires?
Is it because they prefer to employ from overseas rather than an Aussie?
Is it because the unemployment lines aren’t long enough?
Is it because the know that the business buddies can under pay and not provide general conditions like sick leave/annual leave/penalty rates to workers from overseas?
And in one of the greatest lies ever perpetuated by a political party they claim that the review of 457 visa is a racist attack on the 457 workers.
knitting? extreme political times? the axe?
If the writs are not issued until August the 12th then I think there would be absolutely no reason why there could not be a special Caucus meeting called in the interim.
[The knitting photo was Johm McTernan’s idea it seems.
What a fool he is. This is the final proof that he must bear a big part of Labor’s looming slaughter.
Miss Havisham meets 1950s Jeparit branch of the CWA. Could
a saboteur have come up with a less helpful pic idea?]
The mastermind behind Abbott’s family photo op in the week he copped that whack from the PM was Credlin. Were you critical of that decision as well or was that a master stroke?
Abbott is all for using 457 visa workers to build Gina’s North Dream.
He stated that before even contemplating Aussie workers.
two bob
This could very well occur.
2bob
Mr Rudd has honoured his word and is not challenging. We have proof of this with his flight booked for Beijing.
Why is Mr Rudds word not good enough for you?
Abbott claim american politics shouldnt be in Australia
Yet peta credlin has abbott running an american campaign
[ You either approve of 457 visas or you don’t. ]
Wrong. Few people object to 457 visas per se. Only to their abuse.
If you believe Gillard’s office abused the 457 visa system, then by all means send the proof off to the media. I’m sure they’d love to hear from you.
Otherwise you are just peddling nonsense.
two bob
of course. so it should. there is time to unknit this mess
Any employer seeking a 457 visa worker should be obligated to create one apprenticeship/trainee position for every (x) number of 457 visa workers.
Effectively that’s what the Labor Govt did with the agreement for Roy Hill.
1760 overseas workers on the condition that no Australian worker could be found. 2000 trainee/apprenticeships as part of the agreement.
Tweet from Alistair Campbell
[Good meeting with Oz PM Julia Gillard. One tough and impressive lady. Given economic success she’d be in with a shout if division could stop]
[ If the writs are not issued until August the 12th then I think there would be absolutely no reason why there could not be a special Caucus meeting called in the interim. ]
Yes, by all means let’s keep whatever shreds we can of “leadershit” alive. What would our trusty journalists actually find to write about otherwise. Knitting?
Sad, sad, sad!
Gillard Knitted while Canberra Burned
guytaur
You spend your whole day on here with the same old comments.
We are a democracy and people have differing points of view.
And by the way who are all these unknown people whose tweets you post on here?
tbw
[And by the way who are all these unknown people whose tweets you post on here?]
Paul Bongiorno is the National Affairs Editor at Channel Ten.
MSM are onto it!!! The photos of JGPM knitting were posed…..
Player
I understand that but think it is sad that there was obviously no one in Australia that she could find to do the job.
@Wal kolla 367
Haha and the funny/sad thing is she light the fire…
Gareth Evan’s piece on why Labor is facing annihilation is terrific. A clear simple explanation of why Labor’s stocks are now so low, in one of the wealthiest countries on earth.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/the-australian-labor-party-marches-into-oblivion-by-gareth-evans#vSowzIqstWe5BtuV.99
‘Apparently when they do it it’s called loyalty, but when we do it it’s called stupidity.’
You’ve left out a rather crucial event which separates the loyalty from the stupidity.
Not sure which camp you belong in, but I guess they’re not mutually exclusive.
2bob
No answer so into the personal attacks
Hilarious to see all the PB Ruddistas in lock-step with the Daily Trollegraph in condemning the PM’s knitting photoshoot. They are so tranparent it’s not funny.
I guess it’s finally dawning on them that Rudd isn’t and never was coming back.
The whining about Julia’s knitting is laughable.
Where those same whingers doing same after Abbott’s numerous photo op stunts?
Of course not!
Boerwar@277
Nearly right.
I have become embittered since shortly after the coup of 2010 and increasingly since then.
What a petty, small-minded thing it is to refuse to travel with the Prime Minister on Australia’s equivalent to Air Force 1.
Who would refuse to do that?
Tony Abbott, back in 2010.
And Kevin Rudd in 2013.
Two blokes blighted by a mere female.
Wouldn’t you think a fellow determined to unite the party for the good of the nation, heck for the good of every damn citizen in the country, would travel with the Prime Minister to a memorial service for the ex-wife of another of Australia’s most-loved and admired PMs?
Sorry, got alternate travel arrangements.
Show some respect, Rudd.
You expect it. But you never give it.
What a weak ass. Running away from yet another defeat. And I’ll bet you London to a brick that he’ll be back just as whining and undermining as he has been for the past three years.
two bobs worth
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Player
I understand that but think it is sad that there was obviously no one in Australia that she could find to do the job.
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look around at our media……would you hire any of them???
Focus on leadership instead of policy…
Focus on knitting instead of policy…
“@ABCNews24: A memorial service for #HazelHawke is underway at the Sydney Opera House. Watch geo-block free: http://t.co/MiuTKxBIdm #celebratingHazel”
Well the WW piece could have been worst, the PM could have revealed that one of her hobbies to be politics and poll watching
[knitting? extreme political times? the axe?]
She may of been knitting a noose for Rudd…
Of which then she would have been hoisted by her own petard…
Apparently a petard is a small bomb used by the french against walls and english fortifications….
Labor looks rather Les Misérablesque – Gillard playing Fantine; selling everything for her survival.
So sad.
mimhoff
I have no worries about people like Paul Bongiorno et al being posted on here it is just the obscure names that get posted as long as they subscribe to the posters line of thinking.
sambo. @mephiztopheleze 23m
Take Your Best Shot. #auspol #nbn #purlgate @YaThinkN @GalacticWomanAu @sallie6youtube pic.twitter.com/cEYEL3E62g
2bob
Scared of seeing more than one person saying something are we?
I post what I think is interesting as does everyone. I am not typing in the comments and pretending they are my thoughts.
Please do not replace Gillard/swan!
Sept 14 is going to be so satisfying.
If they are replaced it will be a hollow day and the people who replaced them will be punished for taking that sweet day away.
And remember Gillard will win by default! Except she will be in opposition.
2bob
I see you are still not answering the question.
So last time. Why is Mr Rudd’s word not good enough for you?
QT on ABC 1 usual time
I put this up at the end of the last thread so in case it has been missed here ’tis again.
Have people seen this?
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/joe-hockeys-tough-stand-toe-the-official-party-line-or-else/story-e6frfkp9-1226656522066#ixzz2VBbeVwUI
Some excerpts:
SHADOW Treasurer Joe Hockey has issued a gag order on Coalition MPs and candidates talking to the Parliamentary Budget Office over fears that new laws will expose the Coalition to greater scrutiny
The letter follows an outbreak of dissent within the party room over the decision to abandon the baby bonus and rebellion over Mr Abbott’s insistence on keeping the high cost paid parental leave scheme.
OooH, dear me ….”outbreak of dissent within the party room” …..”rebellion over Mr Abbott’s insistence.”
Tsk, Tsk.
[The knitting photo was Johm McTernan’s idea it seems.
What a fool he is.
…
Is this a pitch the gray, monarchist ultra~conservative
vote? It beggars belief that this got past the stage of being a bad idea to even get seriously considered. ]
A whole bunch of prejudices and neuroses spewed up right there in one post, Alias.
* Do you need to be gay to knit?
* Do you need to be a monarchist to knit baby clothes?
* Do only ultra-conservatives knit? Or like royals?
* What is wrong with knitting anyway?
What about: knitting is Gillard’s well-known hobby?
Just as bike-riding, surf lifesaving and fire-fighting are Abbott’s.
I suspect you believe this piece will affect some votes, beneficially for Labor. That’s why you’re so unhinged about it.
I love the way that Coalition fanatics mock any kind of publicity stunt the PM does, but laud every mock fish-gutting, banana hauling, hi-viz photo op that Abbott carries out as showing what a True Australian he is.
It’s an election, Alias. People get messages out. Gillard’s message is that she knits as a relaxing hobby and donates the product to worthy causes, in this case the Royal Baby.
AussieAchmed@302
I am wondering how long it is before cartoonists start portraying her as Madame Defarge, calmly knitting as most of caucus march zombie like to the guillotine.
Hopefully caucus will snap out of it before the fateful day.
[ Labor looks rather Les Misérablesque ]
Whereas the LNP look more “Clockwork Orange”
Tiche enviously says..: ” Would certainly be one to purchase and frame up on the wall..”
But you already have a “cartoon” on the wall..It is you in front of the mirror…stand-up comedian who is both joker and the joke at the same time!
@chrismurphys: Margaret Thatcher’s pastimes?’The film shows her baking, knitting & snipping recipes out of the paper’ #auspol http://t.co/wcbh4zzY7w
While we’re posting stuff that we agree with, here’s a brilliant piece from Corinne Grant.
http://thehoopla.com.au/politics-dumbing-begun/
[A whole bunch of prejudices and neuroses spewed up right there in one post, Alias.
* Do you need to be gay to knit?
* Do you need to be a monarchist to knit baby clothes?
* Do only ultra-conservatives knit? Or like royals?
* What is wrong with knitting anyway?
What about: knitting is Gillard’s well-known hobby?
Just as bike-riding, surf lifesaving and fire-fighting are Abbott’s.
I suspect you believe this piece will affect some votes, beneficially for Labor. That’s why you’re so unhinged about it.
I love the way that Coalition fanatics mock any kind of publicity stunt the PM does, but laud every mock fish-gutting, banana hauling, hi-viz photo op that Abbott carries out as showing what a True Australian he is.
It’s an election, Alias. People get messages out. Gillard’s message is that she knits as a relaxing hobby and donates the product to worthy causes, in this case the Royal Baby.]
I like how BB misread gray as gay.
Go home BB, you’re drunk!
Here are some key quotes from Gareth Evan’s piece:
[The first rule is to have a philosophy – and to stick to it.
The second rule is to have a narrative – and to stick to it.
The third rule is to have a decent governing process – and to stick to it.
The fourth rule is that leaders should surround themselves with well-weathered colleagues and advisers who will remind them, as often as necessary, of their mortality.
The last rule is that one should never trash the brand. Those who mounted the coup against Rudd three years ago felt it necessary to explain that it was because his government was, beneath the surface, a dysfunctional mess. The public hadn’t actually noticed that at the time, but has been prepared to believe it ever since. The tragedy is that both Rudd and Gillard are superbly capable and have complementary skill sets; working together effectively, they were as good as it gets in Australian politics.]
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/the-australian-labor-party-marches-into-oblivion-by-gareth-evans#zfx6Ue1yB1dI15wb.99
There seems to be a lot of pressure on Rudd to challenge now. IMO he should not. Those wanting him to challenge only want him to do so so that their smashing him again in another stage managed vote will somehow rally the troops from now till September and leave Rudd taking the blame. It won’t help Labor and Rudd would be a fool to do it personally. If Labor can’t be sen to resolve the issue peacefully, then they will not fool any voters. As I said this mornign, itis too late. I suspect Gareth Evans agrees.
zoomster@305
What a dumb question.
I am rusted on Labor. Many of those that aren’t will just sit it out and leave Gillard to her fate.
For god’s sake “Short Changed”(two Bobs Worth)…grow up!