The latest result from ever-perverse Morgan face-to-face series has Labor continuing to perform strongly, with their primary vote at 37 per cent against 41.5 per cent for the Coalition and 14.5 per cent for the Greens. Morgan’s headline two-party preferred figure, which is based on respondents’ own allocation of their preferences, has the Coalition ahead 52-48. But if you allocate preferences as per the last election result, which usually gives you the best result provided your primary vote figures are reasonable to begin with, Labor actually comes out 51.5-48.5. This result combines the previous two weekends of Morgan’s regular polling, from a collective sample of 2005. As is generally the case with Morgan face-to-face, your best bet is to take it with a grain of salt and wait for the Nielsen and Newspoll phone polls and Essential Research online poll which should be with us on Sunday evening or Monday. I was rather hoping Morgan would treat us to a phone poll conducted in the middle of the week, as it does from time to time, but no such luck.
FEENEY – You can be absolutely sure that the only people in this whole wide land who care about whether Rudd is a bastard comment on this blog (except the many out there who like the fact he’s a bastard and kicks around public servants).
[RUDD IS THE ANSWER.]
I think you will find that behind closed they have decided that Abbott is the answer.
[Just on the ‘gets things done’ theme.
I have whipped up an obama type poster for Julia Gillard.
]
Um, uhh, yeeah … good luck with that.
I did email all my local mp’s and senators- two replied – Stephen Smith and Gary Grey.
Andrew Leigh who I know only through his blog( he’s not WA but I contacted him anyway) replied very courteously. I have now emailed Albo and asked him to support our elected PM Julia Gillard. I think she is the best chance of defeating Tony Abbott if she gets some clear air.
Noticed how quickly Mr Rudd turned on his heels ( sparks were almost flying) and he almost collided with loyal wife Therese when the questioning got akward about him backgrounding media against the party and Julia.
My partner commented that simple little ordinary millionairess Therese Rein was almost a composite for the character Mom in Futurama- for anyone who does not know the show, Mom is a character who is a dear sweet little old coperate tycoon owing 99,7% of Mom corp. She portrays public sweetness and light but in reality is a cold , manipulative and calculating business woman. It made me laugh:)
Danny Lewis
Just watched Nick Champion say his vote was determined by somebody who “actually took the time to come to his office and stick a note on his door” or wtte
Jeez, if you’d been up early, he may have voted differently.
Where were you????
I’m thinking Julia Snoopy v Baron Kevvie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_-Ms2liXoo
Feeney
The Victorians just do not get it. They think they are the progressive heartland (well they are ahead of Sydney) but I think Qld could give them a run for their money now. But the Mexicans will never bear that thought.
I have lived in Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane so have a pretty good feel for the way each place thinks
Must be a really dumb question then.
Rudd not only doesn’t know any answers – he doesn’t even know THE questions.
gary – i agree – he looked twitchy and tired – surely not a good look – more like the same old kevin.
DARETOTREAD – But surely, if she cares about her good name, she will declare there must be a secret ballot. If she doesn’t, I’m sure people on this blog will censor her for it.
I don’t know if this has been posted:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-24/cassidy-labor-leadership-spill-resentment/3850672
The next election I’ll be voting informal for only the second time in my life.
The first was for Wayne Berry.
catalyst – but she looks after her mother…
rosa
[You can be absolutely sure that the only people in this whole wide land who care about whether Rudd is a bastard comment on this blog ]
I can assure you they were cheering him on foe being a bastard when he was PM. I remember William copping heaps when he voiced disapproval of the way Rudd treats the people around him.
I remember when Rudd abused the air hostess about his meal. Some cretin, who shall remain nameless, tried to tell me that it was because Rudd needed special meals for his heart valve replacement.
I live in hopes that on this new thread that the four major Rudd belly-achers/whingers/faux Labor supporters/gloaters/told-you-so merchants/Jeremiahs/Hanarahans would get lost – sort of “get lost” in a nice way – that is disappear.
Previously @3070, 3071,3072 and 3073 we had Davo, Rosa, TP and Green Leotard going on and on and on and…………………….
This has been the case for days now.
I think someone has calculated that Green Leotard put in 150 yesterday. Every time he/she turns up, Rosa is one of his/her cheer squad. Meanwhile, TP just goes his merry eccentric way, while Davo pops up as a sometime tory cheersquad member.
Jeepers democracy can be a pain. You know the one – the right to be heard but not paid attention to for this crew and a few others.
It would not be so bad if they did not keep stating the bleeding obvious. I love their usual circular way of debate something like “I saw a table has four legs. Now a cat has four legs, therefore a cat and table are the same thing.”
I also like the way they, without flinching, can accurately predict political outcomes up to 18 months away. Oh, how I wish they would share their crystal ball with me.
It is probably for this reason, other than these zealots, the more sensible are on watching brief with PB at the moment.
I admire those who try to engage with them but, of course, they claim everyone is fixed in their views, and only they have that special kind of insider nous.
I haven’t quite got to the watch stage yet, but it is a pity so much chaff is in the air from these guys and galls.
slackboy72,
Well, that puts you in Ginninderra and Fraser.
[gary – i agree – he looked twitchy and tired – surely not a good look – more like the same old kevin.]
Probably jet-lag. It would have served him better if he had had the courage to resign in Australia.
[I don’t know if this has been posted:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-24/cassidy-labor-leadership-spill-resentment/3850672%5D
The picture in that article looks like they’re all at the stalls taking a piss.
It will be interesting if an MP mentions after the ballot that everybody needed to as usual show somebody else their ballot before depositing it.
Now wouldn’t that cause a massive problem as it would immediately raise the spectre of what Rudd foreshadowed. hmmmm And again speak to the legitimacy of Gillard.
This may get even more interesting.
Catalyst
Leave people’s partners out of this. It is a pretty lousy look.
And let me say and quite deliberately so a very “bitchy” comment. Bitchy in the sense of a malicious unjustifiable comment of a personal nature usually directed at a women and usually made by a woman.
Now a similar style of comment usually directed by a man to a man is “wanker”, so PPPPPPPlllllleeeeese no statement of outrage and sexist language. Bitchy is as bitchy does.
ABC24
Barrie Cassidy interviewed. Talk turns to allegations of leaking to journos.
Cassidy says, wtte, “Never in the history of the known world has a politician released journos from confidences about discussions had – and JG did.”
Cassidy says: There has not been one story written by any journo of JG indiscretion.
Cassidy says: Rudd wants to retain confidentiality.
And that’s it. Full stop. Endo. Presenter doesn’t say – “But, hey, Barrie, you wrote a story about it. And one of our own has been outed.”
Talk about protect your own!
Interview moved on . . .
Rod Hagen:
Well, if for no other reason it’s made it a good week. When’s the last time we weren’t assaulted by Liberal sloganeering day after day? Abbott couldn’t get a word in if he walked around Parliament in his budgies.
TLBD,
Was in Ginninderra. Now in Canberra. Brodtmann’s seat.
I should refuse to vote for her based purely on the fact that she’s chopping that atrocious Chris Uhlmann nobjockey.
[I live in hopes that on this new thread that the four major Rudd belly-achers/whingers/faux Labor supporters/gloaters/told-you-so merchants/Jeremiahs/Hanarahans would get lost – sort of “get lost” in a nice way – that is disappear.]
Ah so you mean only Gillard supporters should be allowed to post here. I see you adhere to a Faction type democracy. Everybody gets a say, so long as they say what you tell them.
Very few people would ever say they *have a pretty good feel* how 10 to 11 Million people *think*.
Must keep you *busy*.
You are dreaming, as usual.
TP
Have you noticed a common theme through this blog of JEALOUSY old fashioned monetary jealousy directed at Therese Rein. It seems to be at the heart of a lot of the visceral hatred.
Weird
Tricot
That’s why scrolling was invented.
What just happened? Am i dreaming?
[It will be interesting if an MP mentions after the ballot that everybody needed to as usual show somebody else their ballot before depositing it.
Now wouldn’t that cause a massive problem as it would immediately raise the spectre of what Rudd foreshadowed. hmmmm And again speak to the legitimacy of Gillard.]
Thomas,
Oh hypocrisy, thy name is Thomas Paine.
2006 Leadership challenge Rudd vs Beazley:
[A ballot was held on Monday 4 December and Kevin Rudd was declared the winner and leader of the ALP, by a margin of 49 votes to 39.]
So, as the same ballot method was used for that election, Kevin Rudd was never the legitimate leader of the Labor Party and therefore never the legitimate PM of Australia…
TP – Not many democrats on this blog, are there? Nobody voicing support for a secret ballot. They would much rather Gillard and her Praetorian Guard from the NSW right heavy MPs into line. ALP’s got a big future, I can see that.
Do Caucus members really have to hand their votes to a faction leader before they get handed in? I’m having a hard time believing that in a secret ballot.
slackboy,
We don’t even know if they talk to each other.
I sometimes wonder whether people remember what Rudd was like as a communicator with the public when left to his own devices. Remember ““national complimentarity” & “we must hasten slowly” or “What we undertook to do was to take responsibility for the system and as far as the buck stops with me concern I don’t back away from that one minute, but I go back to what I said in response to the earlier question and that is to make sure that you’ve got the detail right, therefore the plan we’re putting for the long term reform of the system we are confident in”.
Rudd did well with set speeches. He was truly crud at many other times.
His performance on Q&A is worth revisiting. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2811552.htm?clip=rtmp://cp44823.edgefcs.net/ondemand/flash/tv/streams/qanda/qanda_2010_ep1.flv
slackboy72
DON’T say that it will confirm what some people say about the PM. It is pretty funny though.
Rosa
If Julia Gillard came out and said she was going to make it law to eat babies for breakfast, team Gillard would come out within 2 hours and tell as that it was justified on the grounds of protecting the environment and in any case they were expensive to keep. Oh and that Kevin made her do it.
[ I have lived in Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane so have a pretty good feel for the way each place thinks ]
Daretotread – your drinking too much of your own bath water
[Have you noticed a common theme through this blog of JEALOUSY old fashioned monetary jealousy directed at Therese Rein. It seems to be at the heart of a lot of the visceral hatred. ]
5 seconds ago they all loved her. I guess it wasn’t real love because it was conditional. Now she is a rich girl (don’t mention that she did from scratch) and because she supports her husband….
There isn’t a low that the Factional represenatives of Labor didn’t go to smear Rudd, and it appears there isn’t a low Gillard extremists wont go either.
Keep up the good work, it only demonstrates the type of people and tactics Gillard supporters prefer.
Dio
It works by them lining up and each person showing thir ballot to the one behind them.
It is a bloody disgrace.
DIOGENES – Makes perfect sense to me, because the ALP likes the semblance of democracy when there is none. Remember, this is the last stand of the Union Hackocracy in the ALP. No trick too dirty.
[Prime Minister Satisfaction/Dissatisfaction/Uncommitted
June 18-20, 2010 36/55/9 (Rudd)
February 10-12, 2012 36/52/12 (Gillard)
Not quite as clear cut as we are led to believe, eh?]
Indeed. It seems to me that as time has gone-on a certain ‘geez, he was hard done by’ mystique has crept into the public consciousness, fed by the constant MSM reminders of ‘Da knifing’, references to ‘faceless men’ and the like.
It’s the Custer Complex: An incompetent commander completely bollixes things up, loses his hair, and people crap-on about how badly he was done by and aren’t those Indians who did him-in nasty pieces of work?
Of course, once the facts come out, perceptions change.
[rosa
Posted Friday, February 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm | Permalink
TP – Not many democrats on this blog, are there? Nobody voicing support for a secret ballot. They would much rather Gillard and her Praetorian Guard from the NSW right heavy MPs into line. ALP’s got a big future, I can see that.]
You are such a sausage.
Secret votes = democracy?
Yeah?
Do you watch parliament?
[DIOGENES – Makes perfect sense to me, because the ALP likes the semblance of democracy when there is none. Remember, this is the last stand of the Union Hackocracy in the ALP. No trick too dirty.]
Rosa,
That is the way the Rudd defeated Beazley – no complaints at the time from Kevin.
[FEENEY – You can be absolutely sure that the only people in this whole wide land who care about whether Rudd is a bastard comment on this blog (except the many out there who like the fact he’s a bastard and kicks around public servants).]
Maybe, but I bet people care when the Government don’t get policies through as a result of said mistreatment of the public service. Besides, I thought it was the Libs who were supposed to be threatening them. 😉
[If Julia Gillard came out and said she was going to make it law to eat babies for breakfast, team Gillard would come out within 2 hours and tell as that it was justified on the grounds of protecting the environment and in any case they were expensive to keep. Oh and that Kevin made her do it.]
But if say Tanya Pilbersek knifed Gillard, took over PM then Gillard would be seen as shambolic, wooden, visionless, foul mouthed…etc etc… the same routine.
And the say it is only the Christian army the kills its wounded.
Scarpat
Show and tell ballots are disgusting. Wrong when Rudd challenged Beazely and wrong now.
[I think someone has calculated that Green Leotard put in 150 yesterday. ]
Heads-up for the uninitiated: Green Leotard is the commenter also known as ShowsOn, who I suppose could now be described as ShownUp.
[Scarpat
Show and tell ballots are disgusting. Wrong when Rudd challenged Beazely and wrong now.]
DTT,
and so is hypocrisy (not you).
Dio
They used to when they only had 3 factions (they actually showed the person behind them). Labor once actually did this on the floor of the NSW parliament during the election of the speaker in 1995.
The factions are now in splinters and it would not be terribly effective. In any case all the reports are that the factions are not playing a part in this fight – how else could you explain that the two leaders of the Catholic Left are on opposite sides.
Still it does give Rudd the meme of “faceless men” and an excuse when he is beaten on Monday
See TP @124 you didn’t read past the first four lines.
I said later, in simple terms, that even in a democracy we have to allow idiots to say idiot things.
However, like having to put up with loonies, we can let them pretend they run the bin by letting them rant and rave – as you do ad nauseum.
I am not going to waste my time with the likes of you as you thrive off this kind of stuff.
Good luck to you pal and enjoy your democratic right to have your views ignored.
You mean like Tony Abbott showed his vote to Reith when the Fibs had the vote for their Grand Dictator ? 😆