“L-NP in front on Face-to-Face Morgan Poll for First time since Federal Election”, reads the Roy Morgan headline, with some understatement: the 51.5-48.5 headline figure represents the first time the Coalition has led Labor in a Morgan face-to-face poll since June 2006. However, this is the two-party figure derived by using respondent-allocated preferences for minor party voters, rather than the consistently more reliable measure of distributing preferences according to the results of the previous election, on which the parties are evenly split. Labor’s two-party vote has crashing to 48.5 per cent from 53 per cent a fortnight ago (52.5 per cent on the respondent-allocated measure), from primary votes of 38 per cent (down 2.5 per cent) for Labor, 43 per cent (up 2.5 per cent) for the Coalition and 13.5 per cent (steady) for the Greens. The poll covers 1757 respondents from the last two weekends of face-to-face surveying.
[Let the MSM and their ABC call the slogan “Stop The Boats” for what it is, that is total Bullshit and impossible.]
If only the historical record supported you, I would agree with you.
The fact Howard and Ruddock stopped the baots – it is possible, and it can be done again
[It’s been 6 months now.
I’ll give you a clue, it’s not happening. If it was, it would have happened already.
Labors done a lot of talking about doing something though which is one of their major problems in the eyes of the public, all talk, no action.]
What a joke. You expect it to be done in 6 months.
Won’t you have egg on the face if they get that up?
[Ron
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MytwoBobsworth ,
a 35 yr labor person you wrote a critiol blogg few nites ago , perhaps this articlel is what he meant
“No place in Labor for people like me “
Michael Thompson]
mm sounds like a letter from a lib staffer to me or some one living on mars
[Very true and I still have a lot of time for Kevin.]
So does Kevin : -)
[Labors done a lot of talking about doing something though which is one of their major problems in the eyes of the public, all talk, no action.]
It’s a noble idea, but Gillard alas tried to cobble it together too quickly in order to distinguish herself from her predecessor.
The Indonesians and the Malaysians and the East Timorese aren’t going to take on a problem that they think is the preserve of Australia alone.
my say,
Learning? Surely not.
Certainly doesn’t sound like him…
GW
So, what have Howard, Nelson, Turnbull and Abbott achieved in the last four years? What difference have they made? What contribution have they made to Australia and the World?
Apart from distraction value, a bit of delaying here and there, and a bit of wrecking, and a bit of serial losing, they have contributed SFA.
[The Nauru detention centre exists. The East Timor detention centre doesn’t exist. The Naurians want a detention centre on their island. ET do not. ]
o no it doesnt I READ IT WAS NOW A HIGH SCHOOL IN NURU gee wizz would you have the kiddies pushed out of their school
[Howard, Nelson, Turnbull and Abbott
howard gst and a war
Nelson nothing that i can remember
Turnbull and water policy and liked the climate change policy till rolled.
abbott a lot of surfing gee what happend to the surfing lesson didnt he have the confidence to give the lesson
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my say,
Learning? Surely not.
Certainly doesn’t sound like him…]
copying then
Rox,
Thanks for the support. I will pass on your well wishes to the family.
evan, you like to write off ideas. What is the solution to the AS issue? Maybe Howard and Ruddock had the answer afterall or at least Squig believes so.
evan14,
I’ve heard the Timor Leste Opposition reject the proposal (fancy an Opposition saying NO!), but that was in a midnight vote in their Assembly, when only their members were there. A publicity stunt.
I’ve also heard their President mention some conditions that would have to be satisfied (such as no gaol-style detention, a max. residency time of approx. 2 years), but I’ve not heard any rejection of the centre by the Timor Leste Govt.
The UNHCR also seems supportive…
Nauru cost $500,000 per person processed, Gee Whiz.
The headline figure quoted earlier this year by the Herald Sun of $1billion a year for the Labor approach to asylum seeker detention was pure bunkum, even with the increase in numbers and was not directly related to the cost of current maritime operations. Significant parts of the expenditure of $1.2 Billion announced in this year’s budget for “border protection”, in fact, actually involves increased costs for airport security and the replacement of ageing patrol vessels (all up around 750 Million over 4 years).
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RP/BudgetReview2010-11/BorderProtection.htm will help you understand such things better if you want to.
evan14 @ 1117
[Unless Nauru signs the Refugee Convention, the idea of reopening the detention centre is not a feasible one.
The only way to curb the flood of boat people is to stop the people smuggling trade operating in Iraq & South East Asian countries]
Almost all the countries that have not signed up to the UN Refugee conventions are in south/SE Asia – for reasons that I don’t know
Snazzy map on this at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
I would guess that part of the latter would be Indonesia/Malaysia controlling air access into their countries?
Let’s face it, Abbott is a yapper whose actual achievements are diddley squat.
I thought Truthy was out in his tinny stopping the boats.
Hmmm, things must be looking up. The Taliban are attacking the Afghan Army.
[What a joke. You expect it to be done in 6 months.
Won’t you have egg on the face if they get that up?]
Howard took 2 weeks.
How many Years should we give Labor to do something?
What has Abbott ever done for me?
Nothing.
It is time that Hockey got rid of Abbott so that the Liberal Party can return to its individualist, economic rationalist, market-oriented and a-religious base.
GeeWizz,
You know anybody you support truthy, would have to get my vote for never getting into a power.
[If only the historical record supported you, I would agree with you.
The fact Howard and Ruddock stopped the baots – it is possible, and it can be done again]
Please provide the statistical evidence that Coalition policies stopped the boats also including external events and their impact on boat arrivals. I have not seen this report but would be interested to read such a piece of material. Otherwise your assertion is bunkum. But dont let facts get in the way of your story that would be against coalition standard practice.
[Howard took 2 weeks.
How many Years should we give Labor to do something?]
That wasn’t a lasting solution was it? Howard himself was dismantling his great plan before he was shown the door. I wonder why.
What did Howard do for the Liberal Party? Condemned it to at least two terms of irrelevance. With more to come. A two-week wonder?
Policy did not stop the boats. Other issues in their own countries had more to do with numbers being reduced than any policy the Howard government had.
Gaffhook@1080
I’m pleased to see that. If that’s the sequence of events then Assange did everything right, and the way The Guardian reported it is incorrect. And as I said earlier if the facts of the sexual encounters The Guardian set out are correct, then outcome should be no charge at all in any reasonable jurisdiction. The implication of that is that the UK court won’t see a prima facie case and therefore Sweden’s extradition application should fail.
But the problem then for Assange, as you point out, is that he is less likely to be extradited to the US from Sweden than he is from the UK. The UK watered down it’s extradition agreement with the US a few years ago as part of the ‘war on terror’ bullshit and now doesn’t require a prima facie case to be established before granting extradition at the request of the US. ‘Reasonable suspicion’ is sufficient. The problem the US would have is establishing exactly what crime he might be ‘reasonably suspected’ of.
Evan14
[a problem that they think is the preserve of Australia alone.]
It is not a problem for us. Some people and politicians think it is a problem but few AS are here, they are in Indonesia etc. This is a regional problem. I am as happy to have a regional processing centre in Australia as Timor Leste, but I believe the TL site would at least enable the boats to go along the coast instead of trying to cross open sea. We are spending a lot of money so our neighbours hold AS in detention so we would probably be better to pull all of that funding out of those countries and use it to establish a rpc under UN provisions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claes_Borgstr%C3%B6m
Apart from downing some sushi what did Abbott achieve in Japan?
De nada. Nothing. SFA. Normal outcome for Abbott. All yap.
http://www.thelocal.se/468/20041005/
Sort of like ‘original sin’
It’s amazing how many countries around 2003/4 must have adopted Howard’s AS plan because many experienced a drop in AS numbers at that time.
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=303
[all men carry a collective guilt for violence against women ]
balderdash
He obviously has a personal hang up be he can’t hoist that on me.
[It’s amazing how many countries around 2003/4 must have adopted Howard’s AS plan because many experienced a drop in AS numbers at that time.]
That’s far too complex a point you’ve raised there. JV and TTH won’t comprehend.
[It’s amazing how many countries around 2003/4 must have adopted Howard’s AS plan because many experienced a drop in AS numbers at that time.
http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=303%5D
Mr Squiggle put well and truly back in his box.
TP,
Can’t you find something a bit more up to date than 2004?
When I read of Abbott’s faux concern for the ‘illegals’ couched in a kind of ‘it hurts me more than it hurts you’ gambit I literally felt a wave of nausea. The thought of all those chattering brogans parroting the ‘it’s for their own good’ line complete with pious self satisfaction makes me sad for my country. I may well not vote Labor but I won’t be voting for anything Abbott.
You can’t invent this stuff. Its like a fanciful movie script, witch I am sure it will become one day, when the ‘final’ results are in.
In late August 2001 the MV Tampa rolled into Australian waters against Australia’s permission.
The SAS crack unit were sent out and intercepted the ship inside Australian waters.
The Australian government than announced that none of the people onboard would be allowed to step on Australian soil and a new policy of offshore processing in 3rd countries would now be used for all new arrivals.
2 Weeks later after the announcement of the policy, Australia and Nauru signed a formal agreement on processing boatpeople on their island. 2 WEEKS.
Labors been going on about this East Timor solution now for 6 months, yet she never asked the East Timorese, and when the ET found out about it they voted the plan down unanimously in parliament.
The East Timor solution is a pipe dream. It’s not happening now, it’s not happening in 6 months, it’s not happening in 1 year, it’s never happening because East Timor don’t want it and we can see that this government isn’t doing anything to introduce the policy because they know it. They will just keep stalling for time talking about needing to do more talking.
Well the time for talk is over, we need action. Todays The Australian cartoon pretty much summed it up, our navel gazing PM reading from the answers for hard questions cue card isn’t cutting it any more.
Err thats when the proposal was first about, and what he was supporting from the beginning.
Geewizz,
I thought your existence on this blog was on the basis that you did not troll on AS matters? Methinks it is time William acted on his ‘promise’ based on your obvious breach of this condition.
When UNHCR regional representative Richard Towle is saying this, then the government should be parroting the same lines, and going very very hard with the UN at Indonesia to allow a UN processing centre there. At the same time the message must be about how small the numbers are, and our responsibilities under the Convention. That is the best way to answer the ‘turn back the boats’ mantra.
[2 Weeks later after the announcement of the policy, Australia and Nauru signed a formal agreement on processing boatpeople on their island. 2 WEEKS.]
An expensive solution in search of a problem with zero evidence showing that it worked. zero.
[It’s a noble idea, but Gillard alas tried to cobble it together too quickly in order to distinguish herself from her predecessor.
The Indonesians and the Malaysians and the East Timorese aren’t going to take on a problem that they think is the preserve of Australia alone.]
Bingo.
The biggest stuff up was the lack of consultation in private on the matter with East Timor. Gillard should have went to East Timor and said privately we want you guys to process the boatpeople for us. They then would have given a yes or no.
Instead she blurted it out in public as Labor policy, and the ET who may or may not have supported the plan in private, now had what look like a foreign government IMPOSING policy on them which quickly lead to a unanimous vote in the parliament against the plan. It’s the moral of the thing.
Absolutely stupid and the sort of negotiation skills we expected from Kevin.
[An expensive solution in search of a problem with zero evidence showing that it worked. zero.]
2001 – 5500 Boatpeople
2002 – 1 Boatie
It worked, and it worked a treat.
GeeWizz,
Do you know for a fact that there was no such discussion between them?
Hmm….tax on men…interesting.
SK
I do not respond to the GW posts as I never read them. I have to much respect for my eyes.
[2001 – 5500 Boatpeople
2002 – 1 Boatie
It worked, and it worked a treat.]
Please provide the link to the report proving the causal effect and evidence of the success of the policy. you can’t because there is not one. But ofcourse you would not want to highlight the wasteful spending of Howard of $500,000 per person in asylum.