A bumper week for federal polling, in which every player in the game has had their hand in, concludes with the three-weekly federal poll from YouGov. It finds Labor leading 51-49 on two-party preferred, in from 52-48 last time, from primary votes of Labor 32% (steady), Coalition 38% (up one), Greens 13% (down two) and One Nation 7% (up one). Anthony Albanese is down three on approval to 41% and up two on disapproval to 52%, Peter Dutton is down one to 38% and steady on 49%, and Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister narrows from 48-34 to 46-34. The poll was conducted Friday to Wednesday from a sample of 1513.
Can I just answer this from the previous thread?
Daniel Plainview (Block)
Friday, March 29th, 2024 – 12:03 am
Comment #971
its hard for me to understand. My family came as refugees in 2003 after bandits and murders forced us off a 5th gen, productive commercial farm near Bulawayo. My parents employed, educated and fed over 150 workers and their families. On arrival in Brisbane we were treated with respect and given every assistance needed to start over and settle. Our family are model immigrants that integrated effortlessly into Aussie culture. Is there a concern that middle eastern refugees couldn’t do the same?.
Could it be because your family were White Rhodesian/Zimbabwean Farmers? Of course you would be welcomed with open arms and fit in perfectly in Queensland. Doh!
Middle Eastern refugees are behind the 8 ball from the get-go and never find it as easy to integrate. Though these days there are enough of them in the community, and community groups, to make it easier than it has been.
One American sociopath down, one to go:
Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
I have only just got up, and seeing Good Fridays are usually useless, I will take a break from the patrol today.
“I have only just got up, and seeing Good Fridays are usually useless, I will take a break from the patrol today.”
😀
Happy Good Friday, BK.
“Could it be because your family were White Rhodesian/Zimbabwean Farmers? Of course you would be welcomed with open arms and fit in perfectly in Queensland. Doh!”
Unlike Perth, I’ve yet to see “monkey gland” sauce offered in QLD.
Does not contain monkey glands?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_gland_sauce
Pueo! Ugh! 😆
David Crowe has a good article assessing the Dutton V Albanese match today:
There’s also a Farrah Tomazin article from America about the POTUS race:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/numbers-don-t-lie-biden-outpaces-trump-in-fundraising-enlists-big-guns-for-more-20240329-p5fg47.html
Enjoy your morning off BK.
New GOAT Treasurer:
Jim Chalmers’ second surplus is virtually guaranteed after monthly financial statements revealed a dramatic deficit reduction on the back of a $391m surge in receipts and lower spending than projected by Treasury.
Finance documents released on Thursday revealed a fast-improving position ahead of the May 14 budget, with the 2023-24 underlying cash balance to the end of February showing a $6.1bn deficit and the fiscal balance increasing to a $2.4bn surplus.
Total receipts lifted $391m higher than the mid-year budget profile and payments were $500m lower. Last month’s snapshot to the end of January showed a $22.4bn underlying cash balance deficit and $13.9bn fiscal balance deficit.
After consistently flagging the government is within striking distance of a consecutive surplus, Dr Chalmers said “we know a surplus is not an end in itself but an important way to take pressure off inflation and build a better foundation to fund the nation’s most pressing priorities”.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/jim-chalmers-second-surplus-virtually-lockedin/news-story/b5b6ab0115401b250ced046264d67615?amp
David Crowe: “The opposition leader trails the prime minister on most key measures …”
Not really.
YouGov (above) has them tied on net approval (-11). Other polls are similar.
And Albo’s 12 point lead on preferred PM is slightly sub-par for incumbent leaders.
For those in NSW and QLD who may not have heard of Eddie Betts, he was a champion Indigenous AFL footballer for the Adelaide Crows and Carlton. And, since retiring, he has established the Eddie Betts Foundation, which aims to support ‘young people from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.’
Eddie Betts has released a security video of a car driving slowly past his house. The occupants of the car can be heard loudly yelling out “n****r” repeatedly. His kids are playing basketball next to the house and can clearly be seen reacting to this racist attack.
I just can’t wrap my head around how awful this is. Even if these racist arseholes are identified and punished, it won’t help the damage done to Eddie and his children.
This is the sort of racist abuse First Nations people suffer every day in this country.
C@tmomma @ #1 Friday, March 29th, 2024 – 6:31 am
Can I also add that you probably already spoke and understood English – something that can be very difficult for middle eastern migrants.
Chalmers dumps his surplus news deliberately at a time when the media will barely notice.Why?
Hmmm he has trashed millions of Australians to get there by bringing in massive amounts of immigration.Homelessness and rentals through the roof for ego driven treasurer who lies to the public often.Thats why he hides this information late day before Easter.
Like labors lie that the tax cuts will not be inflationary when he knows he handed the lower paid billions and they spend not save.
Mind you it will not cover their rent increases etc.
Polls are heading in one direction for the incompetent federal labor government-down.
All the opposition has to do is shut up and watch.
Percapita recession Australia is in thanks Labor.
Labor is so desperate and not Authentic it adopts the oppositions policy on migration etc.Even though it’s been bagging this policy for a decade.
Yep, sadly true of all major parties in this and many other western countries – ″Give me your tired, your poor, I’ll piss on them″
‘MattGolding Cartoons@GoldingCartoons
Lou Reed infamously wrote concerning the Statue of Liberty, ″Give me your tired, your poor, I’ll p— on them″. With its new deportation bill, it seems Australia is not different. Labor has its Tampa now.
Chris Atmore, Somers
@theage
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Only Pied Piper could read news about Chalmers & Albo getting ANOTHER surplus, when the Liberal/Nationals couldn’t GET ONE IN NINE FUCKING YEARS (despite a Drovers Dog being capable of it), and pivot to whining about immigration as if the Liberals weren’t responsible for a net increase of 1.9 million in their time in office.
He just can’t admit that the adults are in charge and Labor are economically sound and are in the process of fixing a decade of LNP failure.
I wonder if Albo has scrounged up a few “back in black” mugs.
Has there been any sign of intel on the reasons for Tyrrell’s resignation?
I’d heard some speculation that there might have been a falling out over the prospect of backing a Lib state government, but there’s a Twitter post going around this morning from weeks ago about Tyrrell doing a Tyrrell-only (and pointedly not JLN) campaign stall early in the state campaign.
It’s one resignation that genuinely surprised me – after the Steve Martin experience, Tyrrell seemed to have been chosen for being kinda joined at the hip to Lambie, and to have been a good choice in the Senate, as opposed to some of the randoms she’d otherwise aligned with. I still wouldn’t be shocked if any and all of the newly-elected state MPs quit tomorrow, given the history of no-policy parties formed around a leader (apart from perhaps Xenophon’s crew while he was in parliament) – but Tyrrell and Lambie seemed pretty solid.
It’s also a shame in terms of longer-term outcomes, because Tyrrell has always come across pretty well in my book and a bit less of a hothead than Lambie, but she’s just not high-profile enough (and unlikely to become so as an independent) to have a hope of repeating Lambie’s effort and winning as an indie. She seems like the sort of good crossbencher that otherwise only gets elected by accident in places that still allow for Glenn Druery preference shenanigans.
Bob, well said. PP, you’re sick.
Rebecca
Tammy Tyrrell has put out a YouTube video, where she ‘explains her reasons’..
https://youtu.be/9zKTWLYGzlo?si=LPPE4m-2mZOSJzp0
Happy Good Friday to all.
Regarding responses to my posting. Most of my family have been in suid Afrika since the 1680’s- at least 150 years before most ‘whites’ arrived en Australia. My English was quite poor before we arrived in Australia. I grew up in a family and circle that spoke a hybrid language which was a mixture of low german and dutch low saxon called Afrikaans. I had to learn very quickly on arrival here as a 12-13 year old.
My parents made a big effort to involve us in many community organisations such as the cricket and Rugby clubs, volunteer fire service and other such groups. Catmomma, I found your belittling of my situation and assumed status as disrespectful and disgusting. I’ve never heard anyone say a bad word about Rhodesian refugees and immigrants that have arrived in this nation since the fall of the Zimbabwean state that occurred in the late 90s-early 2000s.
It’s all a matter of what you are focusing on really, with the major factor in determining that focus being the media/business nexus.
If money wants you to look in a particular direction, money has the means to make sure you look over there.
Money is worried that Labor is actually addressing the issues that will force their business model to be threatened.
The LNP is so closely aligned to that money they have thrown out all pretence of being a serious party with the benefit of the electorate at its heart.
Money can filter out wider issues that enables the reader /viewer to sideline independent thought and rationality so that the ‘fear-de-jour’ becomes their reality and in a life constrained by cost-of-living/housing/education/health issues, and so the average citizen gets swept along by their pre-prepared, pre-digested and freely available bilge.
I’m disappointed that Labor is not moving quite as fast as I’d hoped on the issues we’d all like to see addressed but shit, the headwinds are strong!
No one gives a stuff about Labor getting a surplus or about their self-image as the “adults in the room”, and it’s a quintessential example of federal Labor’s attention to issue polling just having seemed to go off the rails under this government. I often criticised Labor in the Rudd-Gillard government for paying too much attention to focus groups, etc., but I hear this sort of thing and I just wind up thinking “did y’all just fire all your pollsters?”
It’s a preoccupation of the leader, some senior ministers, and the usual rusted-ons, not the public, and it’s not going to win them any favours among election time among people who might actually vote Labor.
‘Rainman says:
Friday, March 29, 2024 at 8:23 am
For those in NSW and QLD who may not have heard of Eddie Betts, he was a champion Indigenous AFL footballer for the Adelaide Crows and Carlton. And, since retiring, he has established the Eddie Betts Foundation, which aims to support ‘young people from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.’
Eddie Betts has released a security video of a car driving slowly past his house. The occupants of the car can be heard loudly yelling out “n****r” repeatedly. His kids are playing basketball next to the house and can clearly be seen reacting to this racist attack.
I just can’t wrap my head around how awful this is. Even if these racist arseholes are identified and punished, it won’t help the damage done to Eddie and his children.
This is the sort of racist abuse First Nations people suffer every day in this country.’
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True.
That’s why he hides this information late day before Easter.
On the last Sitting Day of Parliament, before he went off on a well-earned break, happy in the knowledge that the Coalition had backflipped, again, on their support for the Detention Bill. Yep, dead shady. 😐
Holden Hillbilly
“ New GOAT Treasurer:
Jim Chalmers’ second surplus is virtually guaranteed after monthly financial statements revealed a dramatic deficit reduction on the back of a $391m surge in receipts and lower spending than projected by Treasury.”
That is indeed a great achievement in the current economic climate, and especially after sifting through the wreckage of the budget disasters left by Scomo and Co. IT may also have saved a few million mortgagees an even worse fate.
Some will try to denigrate this achievement, but generally only those either jealous of Chalmer’s competence, or resentful that they bought a “Back in Black” cup for nothing a few years ago.
sprocket_: I’ve seen the video. It doesn’t really explain much at all, and left me (and I think a lot of people judging from reactions on socials) with more questions than answers.
The big question is why they split such that Lambie suggested she leave.
It’s a very different situation than, say, Martin (who just straight-up left rather than answer to Lambie) or the couple of state lead candidates in 2018 she had who were such loose cannons that they would’ve left in five minutes if they’d actually managed to get elected.
Daniel Plainview @ #NaN Friday, March 29th, 2024 – 9:45 am
Bollocks. Don’t try and twist what I said. All I did was make the obvious observation that as White Zimbabwean/Rhodesian refugees, of the kind Peter Dutton championed, that of course you were made very welcome by the community when you came here. As opposed to Muslim Middle Eastern immigrants and refugees. Who also couldn’t speak English very well, so I don’t know how also being in that same boat makes you and your family special.
Oh, and one of my dearest friends is an immigrant from Zimbabwe, so don’t try and confect an antipathy towards your people on my behalf, if you don’t mind?
The Age 29/03
Labor backbenchers have raised fears within the party over the Albanese government’s rushed deportation laws as MPs on both sides of politics warn against overreach by banning entire nationalities from travelling to Australia.
Sources said several MPs had also raised concerns over the speed of the bill’s passage, with one describing the process as arrogant.
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If even Labor MP’s describe the process as arrogant then no wonder it failed to pass.
It appears NBC has committed harakiri trying to hire Ronna McDaniel
More details emerge about NBC News’ Ronna fiasco – it ain’t pretty
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/3/28/2232135/-More-details-emerge-about-NBC-News-Ronna-fiasco-it-ain-t-pretty?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web
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Among the new revelations:
• Bringing McDaniel to NBC News had been part of a nearly two-month-long effort that was spearheaded by Carrie Budoff Brown, Senior VP, Politics and her boss, NBC News President Rebecca Blumenstein, with buy-in from Cesar Conde, head of NBC News Universal Group, and his deputies at both NBC News and MSNBC, per reporting at Puck, which has dubbed this fiasco “Ronnaghazi.”
• Rashida Jones, President of MSNBC, was very interested in having McDaniel appear as a contributor on her network, according to Puck. In fact, the Washington Post reports that McDaniel got a more lucrative contract after she agreed to appear on MSNBC and not just NBC News.
• Lester Holt even got involved in this mess. Per WaPo: “McDaniel’s relationship with top NBC executives began last fall, according to people familiar with what took place. NBC was determined to secure a Republican primary debate, repeatedly talking to RNC officials about their chances and even sending star anchor Lester Holt to Washington for a pitch meeting at RNC headquarters.”
• After Chuck Todd blasted the decision to hire McDaniel on Sunday’s Meet the Press, Budoff Brown reached out to McDaniel’s aide and former chief of staff at the RNC, Richard Walters, to see if there were any friends or colleagues who could speak up on her behalf. Walters later assured Budoff Brown that they’d been able to advance conservative pushback on social media against Todd, specifically, and that this might give NBC News some cover, for which Budoff Brown thanked him. CNN reports that “staffers inside NBC News are enraged at the fact an executive would have engaged in such behavior.”
“It’s like the hunger games at @NBCNews. Every day new, horrible stories of journalism & corporate malpractice. Every single one of these managers must go,” according to Jennifer Schulze, a media critic who was a Chicago Sun-Times executive producer, WGN news director, and adjunct college professor of journalism. “The @NBCNews managers who recruited & signed an election denier should be out the door, too,” she adds. “Not only was it downright offensive to hire Ronna, it was journalism AND corporate malpractice.”
No one gives a stuff about Labor getting a surplus
1. The media do. Especially the SAD/Murdoch media. It’s one of their go to nostrums that Labor can’t manage the Budget, are a ‘tax and spend government’, should’ve been able to get to a Surplus by now (drag out Chris Richardson for supporting comment), think of all the unnecessary interest etc until the cows come home and Labor get defeated at the next election.
2. Ditto the Coalition
3. It’s actually the economically correct thing to do and what an economically responsible government should do.
4. The electorate for the most part care. Except for those that think government should be a money spigot for their pet causes and damn the economic torpedoes.
I also really don’t understand how federal Labor keeps getting on the back foot on migration and having to frantically draft and rush through legislation in a really reactionary way.
Labor knows full well, and has known since the Howard years, that there’s absolutely nothing to be gained from a firefight on immigration and that it’s an area where if it’s even in the headlines they lose. I could understand them being caught a bit by surprise with the Benbrika decision, but it’s been pretty obvious from then onwards that this High Court is on a bit of a tear about executive power, and that it might need some serious short-term legislative changes. They knew (or should have known) that there was a real chance they might lose in NZYQ, and know that there’s a chance they might lose this one – but instead of assigning some sympathetic top lawyers/law professors to sit down for a few weeks and hash out the best solution possible (given their fondness for sending everything else to inquiries), they’ve waited until Dutton has repeatedly whacked them over the head and then frantically rushed something through with issues.
I said at the time that I thought the post-NZYQ legislation might go down in court and make Labor look silly, which still seems to be a real possibility, and this legislation is just so randomly draconian that I’m not surprised it’s made a bunch of Labor MPs uncomfortable. I really don’t understand how they keep getting caught on the back foot like this.
“As the type Peter Dutton championed”. Catmommoa I think you will find that the people he was ‘championing’ were ZA farmers in 2020- not Rhodesian/zimbabwean refugees in the early 2000s. You can’t stop the thinly disguised insults towards me it seems. For the record I have voted Labor since I was eligible to vote in this country.
C@tmommasays:
Friday, March 29, 2024 at 10:00 am
No one gives a stuff about Labor getting a surplus
1. The media do. Especially the SAD/Murdoch media. It’s one of their go to nostrums that Labor can’t manage the Budget, are a ‘tax and spend government’, should’ve been able to get to a Surplus by now (drag out Chris Richardson for supporting comment), think of all the unnecessary interest etc until the cows come home and Labor get defeated at the next election.
2. Ditto the Coalition
3. It’s actually the economically correct thing to do and what an economically responsible government should do.
4. The electorate for the most part care. Except for those that think government should be a money spigot for their pet causes and damn the economic torpedoes.
During a period where the public as a whole are living through a “cost of living crisis” (doesnt matter if its real or not, only that the vibes there) the single worst thing a “centre left” government can do is brag about surplus.
For voters it means (depending on your political orientation that the government could be spending more on social programs, could be lowering taxes more. and everything in between.
Hi Daniel Plainview,
So you arrived as a 12 year old Afrikaans speaker. You did not respond directly to the assertion that your ethnic mix might have been that of Northern Europe. Afrikaans is a European language.
12 years of age is still well and truly in the age group at which languages are absorbed like a sponge. You appear to have come with your family and you arrived in a community that welcomed you and your family. Probably by plane.
Not to diminish your experience at all, but I’m not hearing reference to a decade in a refugee camp and religious persecution. I’m not hearing mindless racial prejudice. Not every migrant experience is the same.
Welcome!
(I’m not meaning to offend, I’m just trying to tease out the issues – apologies in advance!)
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Just today we hear of the treatment of Eddie Betts’ family. And he’s First Nations.
We live in a racist country. Our day of reckoning is yet to come. It’s going to be ugly.
C@tmomma: It’s just not supported by recent electoral history, though – as I pointed out a while ago, of all the most recent federal, state and territory, Labor governments, as far as I could see the only leader who has posted a surplus and actually won the next election was McGowan in WA, off the back of a resources boom that allowed him to post a surplus and still get lots done. Andrews in Victoria repeatedly posted deficits and ascended to heights of popularity federal Labor hasn’t seen in generations off the back of that spending.
Voters care about debt and deficit in two situations: firstly, if a government can exploit fears that the opposition might be economically incompetent/irresponsible, or secondly, if (like in Victoria right now) it leads to a situation where there’s sweeping budget cuts all over the place impacting things people care about.
No one knows who Chris Richardson is outside the Canberra bubble, and no one cares what he thinks, unless it feeds into fears in either of the two situations above.
Trying to paint Albo as a spendthrift would be absolutely bloody laughable, especially with a term of government behind him to prove that he wasn’t a closet spendthrift under the surface. Of all the negative image issues he might face among various cohorts of voters, the only people who would buy that are so delusionally anti-Labor that they wouldn’t consider voting them in their lifetime.
Lordbain gets the politics: every time Labor boasts about a surplus, swing voters who are doing it really tough think “this is a government that could be doing more to help us and doesn’t want to”.
Daniel Plainview @ #NaN Friday, March 29th, 2024 – 10:05 am
I know he championed White South African farmers. But your families are similar, if from adjacent countries, and THAT’S the point. Your family, as well as immigrants from the UK, NZ, America and any other country where you look like the majority, will always fit in easily. That’s the only point I ever wanted to make, as an answer to your contention about why don’t immigrants from Middle East countries fit in as well as your family did?
Rebecca,
I’m sorry but I have to go out and help at a community event, but I’ll just add that getting a federal Budget Surplus is always a different kettle of fish to state budget surpluses. Though, for the reasons I outlined it’s just good budget management, except in extenuating circumstances. Like the pandemic. Then a responsible government pays back the money it ‘borrowed’. Then they can afford to do really good things and no one can complain. 🙂
Middle aged man we were subject to all the persecutions you mentioned and all in violent and deadly coordinated ways. Afrikaans is a creole language. It is based on a european language but has significant influences from malay and native languages. Dankie voor de welkom!.
Does anyone here have any new updates regarding the TAS election counting and negotiations? Could Labor still have a chance of forming a coalition or is that dead?.
Daniel
Hello and welcome to pollbludger. I live in Adelaide but grew up in Brisbane and knew at Uni a girl from a Zimbabwe family that came over after Mugabe took power.
Financially they lost everything when they had to sell the family farm for peanuts but her parents decided their kids would have a better life in Australia after the violence between Mugabe and Nkomo manifested itself. Ironically they had been pro-majority rule. I hope life in Brisbane is kind.
C@tmomma: I guess what I’m saying is that regardless of whether Labor rusted-ons see it as “good budget management”, it’s still bad politics, unless the “really good things” actually happen before the election, and it’s an ironic hill to die on in terms of unpopular stands. There are few swing votes to be won on the basis that you might do “really good things” if you get another three terms in office.
Daniel Plainview: No, Labor’s executive decided to explicitly rule out negotiations with the crossbench.
I blame them a lot less than many people on socials seem to have – there’s a far, far more poisonous political history than anywhere else around Labor-Green tie-ups in Tasmania and with two left indies that hate each other and JLN it would’ve been possibly the most fractious minority government to wrangle in Australia since the start of the two-party system.
Any judgements of whether Labor’s budget management are good politics should hold judgement until after July 1, when benefits from revised Stage 3 tax cuts will start flowing.
A lot of the hard work to date has been to prepare for that change. To judge the current government based on the impacts of that hard work (i.e. cuts) without experiencing the benefits of the change would be very one-sided.
This UK article is about the political and economic good times coming to an end for the Baby Boom generation. Interesting to compare some of the budget measures being introduced there compared to Australia. The same trend (boomers no longer dominating voting) will soon happen here too.
https://www.economist.com/britain/2024/03/27/british-boomers-are-losing-out-for-the-first-time?etear=nl_today_1&utm_id=1870466
Have a good day all.
Socrates: I agree to a point, but federal Labor is very much putting all their eggs in one basket as far as the Stage 3 tax cuts and cost of living relief, and I don’t think their broader rhetoric around the rest of the budget is winning them any new fans.
Whether the tax cuts are enough to keep voters on side is something to wait and see – but if they hadn’t done that, I think they’d be in increasingly dire straits.
This is the sort of racist abuse First Nations people suffer every day in this country.
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We have no idea. I have brownish skin and sometimes a serious beard and occasionally get yelled at to ‘go back to ______’ by a dh in a passing car. That is water off a privileged ducks back. Barely even an insight into what indigenous people go through.
I note the SA voice had its elections recently and the usual f wit racists at 2GB, the Aus and SkyDHNews decried absolute failure due to turnout. What BS. Local government elections have terrible turnouts, and they face a smidgeon of the hurdles in turnout that the Voice faces. Given time and effort it will improve. Yet those “media” outlets just saw it as another opportunity to kick. It is incessant. Blow after blow. Don’t dare give an initiative a chance. Kick early. Kick hard. And keep f’ing kicking.
Rebeccasays:
Friday, March 29, 2024 at 10:32 am
Daniel Plainview: No, Labor’s executive decided to explicitly rule out negotiations with the crossbench.
I blame them a lot less than many people on socials seem to have – there’s a far, far more poisonous political history than anywhere else around Labor-Green tie-ups in Tasmania and with two left indies that hate each other and JLN it would’ve been possibly the most fractious minority government to wrangle in Australia since the start of the two-party system.
Does Labor have any plans considering the long term pattern of their primary vote? Or are they just never going to govern again…
We’ve drifted into a dark place when Labor partisans are crowing about budget surpluses while people are living in poverty and can’t afford the rent or to eat.
Rex Douglassays:
Friday, March 29, 2024 at 10:43 am
We’ve drifted into a dark place when Labor partisans are crowing about budget surpluses while people are living in poverty and can’t afford the rent or to eat.
But dont worry, we have billions to put into submarines just days before the UK reports further time delays and other issues
Lordbain: I honestly think the only hope for dislodging the Liberals in Tasmania is for Labor and the Greens to sit down, in advance of the election, and practically work out outside the heat of an election campaign how they’d function with a Labor minority government with the Greens providing supply and confidence and no formal deal – not a secret deal, but more settling the question of “how do we get this done and not kill each other?”
Tas Labor then needs to work out how to talk around the issue during a campaign so that they don’t wedge themselves in a position of having to go back on their word to govern, as White did. Labor actually wedged themselves so badly this time that they had to walk back some of their early-campaign language to even leave open the option of governing with JLN, O’Byrne or Johnston if they’d gotten the numbers.
If Willie gets the leadership, I can see Labor doing this and Willie winning the next election, but given Dean Winter’s politics I strongly suspect he’s likely to lose election #5 on a “majority or death” platform that’s really unlikely to happen.