Roy Morgan might plough on this week with a poll to be dropped next Wednesday or so, but what follows are most likely the last items of polling we will see for the year. The Australian traditionally drops aggregated Newspoll breakdowns in the dead zone after Christmas, but it will only have three polls to aggregate from on this occasion, unless it supplements them somehow.
• RedBridge Group has a federal poll showing Labor leading 52.8-47.2 (in from 53.5-46.5 in the last such poll in early November), though seemingly all reportage of the poll has painted it as disastrous for Labor because the small sample of respondents with trades qualifications has the Coalition ahead. The primary votes are Labor 33% (down one), Coalition 35% (steady) and Greens 13% (down one). The accompanying report includes extensive further questions on national direction, issue salience and immigration. The poll was conducted December 6 to 11 from an unusually large sample of 2010.
• The latest weekly poll from Roy Morgan has a tie on two-party preferred, erasing Labor’s 51-49 lead over the previous two weeks. The primary votes are Labor 32% (up one-and-a-half), Coalition 38% (up one), Greens 11.5% (down two-and-a-half) and One Nation 4.5% (down half). The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1720.
• The Australian had further results from Newspoll on the leaders’ character traits, which it published in a comprehensive display showing earlier numbers for the results going back to 2008 which is worth seeking out if you’re interested in this sort of thing. Anthony Albanese had higher ratings for trustworthy (49% to 41%), in touch (46% to 41%), caring (61% to 45%), likeable (57% to 39%) and having a vision for Australia (59% to 55%), and was less likely to be seen as arrogant (45% to 57%). Peter Dutton led on experienced (70% to 66%), decisive and strong (58% to 48%) and understanding the major issues (57% to 54%).
• Northern Territory Chief Minister Natasha Fyles resigned yesterday after nineteen months in the job, amid revelations she had failed to declare a conflict of interest relating to shares in mining company South 32. It presumably didn’t help that a RedBridge Group poll, conducted in the middle of last month from a sample of 601, had Labor trailing the Country Liberals by 40.6% to 19.7% (although the poll found Labor doing little better federally, and its age breakdowns included the implausible finding that the gap was 40% to 11% among the 18-to-39 age cohort). Names mentioned as possible contenders are her deputy, Nicole Manison, Infrastructure Minister Joel Bowden and Attorney-General Chansey Paech.
Something like 95% of the MDB’s fish biomass is european carp. Chucking one or two back is going to make zip difference. I assume that any sane beak would tell the authorities to stop with the vexatious litigation should they bother to charge someone with illegally releasing carp.
HOWEVER… if you get nabbed releasing carp into a water body that currently holds none then you deserve everything you get.
I understand that Integrity wants Thorpe and Price to open the batting in Sydney with Bandt and Cox to open the bowling with Liddle to do the wicket keeping and with Mundine driving the drinks cart. Shoebridge would, of course, be the off spinner.
Not enough Teals in that cricket line up for Integrity’s likening, Boerwar.
Reckon it will start raining at about 2pm at the MCG.
Well it looks like I might not get power back until the 30th
Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:12 pm
Here’s a trivia question for you Entropy:
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Don’t have that answer as matches listed as draws there. Don’t tell me how much time was lost to washouts and whether it was significant in causing the draw.
I do know SCG is far more likely than any other ground to have a washout. Though to be fair probably in the comparison i quote below. The SCG and MCG probably have hosted the most test matches. So figures for other grounds need to take into account they have less tests to record washout days from.
“Sydney is far and away the most weather-affected Test match of the Australian summer. In 110 Tests held at the venue, 26 days have been completely washed out – more than all other Australian venues combined. Melbourne has had nine days lost, Brisbane eight, Adelaide two and Hobart one.”
Boerwarsays:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 1:19 pm
Something like 95% of the MDB’s fish biomass is european carp. Chucking one or two back is going to make zip difference. I assume that any sane beak would tell the authorities to stop with the vexatious litigation should they bother to charge someone with illegally releasing carp.
HOWEVER… if you get nabbed releasing carp into a water body that currently holds none then you deserve everything you get.
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I was putting forward a legal argument not a environmental one though. Lots of time of the courts is taken up with trivia that makes no meaningful contribution to society or the environment. Otherwise why would people like BRS, Lehrmann and Reynolds be allowed to going on their fishing expeditions?.
Just heard the crowd at the MCG today is about 57000 currently. Torchbearer is right any test venue in Australia that gets a crowd that low or less for the first day of a summer test should be closed down and have their hosting rights removed permanently.
Ven
Always healthy to read up on how Venezuela has destroyed itself. Many on here could not speak highly enough of Chavez even towards the end as Venezuela became a failed state. Yet another socialist experiment experiment with the results disproving the hypothesis…how many are needed.
If it got serious and Venezuela looks like going in and we are asked by the US or UK we most definitely should help out.
Hard to compare the two, the day some of the players in the middle east believe that Israel can not defend itself it will be wiped off the map
Massive storm here atm. I think the MCG will cop it soon
The MCG likely to get a storm from this weather system that NSW has given us. I suspect they will go off in the next 5 minutes and they will take early tea. I suspect they lose about 1 hour play of which 30 minutes will latter be made up by longer evening session. My bet is if the boxing day test was being played at Sydney not Melbourne over the next 5 days. Far more hours would be washed out. I suspect today will be the only day in which some play will be lost due to rain at the MCG. Which would not be the case if it was at the SCG instead.
Steelydan @ #1420 Tuesday, December 26th, 2023 – 1:52 pm
That’s not how I remember it Steelydan. I remember plenty of us, myself included, that were mightily pissed off that Hugo Chavez didn’t fulfill the grand plans he laid out for his people and became a dictator instead, to the extent that HE chose his successor, Maduro, who went on to rule in an even worse way than Chavez had.
But you go on and rewrite history for the benefit of the Reactionary Right that you support, Steelydan, and ssshhh!!! no mention of Jair Bolsonaro shall ever pass your lips, eh?
nath @ #1411 Tuesday, December 26th, 2023 – 1:12 pm
But how old was the ‘buxom blonde’, nath? 😉
46 and hot to trot.
Hey Momma, So you remember yourself on here in 2012/13?
There’s no doubt the lack of a single Victorian playing at the G has left this test match lifeless and boring.
Victorians will adopt Pat Cummins though as an honorary Victorian given his strong progressive values and fearless leadership.
Fran Lebowitz touring next year.
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I’ve posted this before, but never can it be said enough:
https://youtu.be/3KEDMfcVbI4?si=t-PfLCjjoLJijTwr
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Rex Douglassays:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:39 am
https://twitter.com/lesstenny/status/1739444088225841200
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Rex
I posted earlier on this but it somehow disappeared.
One of the central themes of “It’s a Wonderful Life” movie is that “a man touches many lives”.
The last half an hour of the movie shows what would have happened if George Bailey was not born and Mr. Potter got control of Bedfordfalls.
Trump is the living example of that theme. He touched the lives of atleast half the US population in a bad way and that is playing right in front of our lives.
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 2:27 pm
nath @ #1411 Tuesday, December 26th, 2023 – 1:12 pm
I hope everyone had a good day. I ended up in the spa at 2 am with the Mrs and a buxom blonde drinking cocktails. It was like Christmas.
But how old was the ‘buxom blonde’, nath?
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And how soon after did you wake up???
Well the test match is currently being washed out by rain. Clearly a consequence of the Australian team not carrying a few token Victorian players.
A belated Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone here, by the way!
Dr Fumbles Mcstupidsays:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 2:56 pm
C@tmomma says:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 2:27 pm
nath @ #1411 Tuesday, December 26th, 2023 – 1:12 pm
I hope everyone had a good day. I ended up in the spa at 2 am with the Mrs and a buxom blonde drinking cocktails. It was like Christmas.
But how old was the ‘buxom blonde’, nath?
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And how soon after did you wake up???
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So you think his Mrs and the buxom blonde. Slipped something into his drink so they could carry on more privately without him?.
Quote: “I understand that absinthe makes the tart grow fonder.”
@Entropy
Was thinking more on the lines of COVID fever dream……but who knows, it could have been Naths Festivus Miracle, tiss the season after all
Fellow bludgers, there has been a lot of discussion of cost of living this year in Australia and correctly so. However, as with the global financial crisis back in 2008/09, a fairer way to judge the economic performance of a mid-sized economy like Australia’s is comparatively, not in absolute terms. If the world economy is going poorly, Australia will suffer from that.
So this Economist article ranks the comparative economic performance of the OECD countries in 2023/23. Australia is not the worst, but far from best, coming in 21st out of 35 OECD countries.
2022/23 OECD economies ranked
1. Greece
2. South Korea
3. USA
13. Japan
21. Australia
27. Germany
30. Britain
China is excluded because nobody believes their official stats any more. Real incomes went backwards in most countries, including Australia.
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/12/17/which-economy-did-best-in-2023?etear=nl_weekly_7&utm_id=1837300
Obvious question: did Labor cut or defer spending too much to get budgets back into surplus? Did the RBA’s first too late then too steep interest rate cuts damage our economy?
The weather system that went through the MCG was pretty weak looks like less than 3 mm in it. It has nearly died off now. Still expecting they will get a fair bit of cricket in the evening session still. If one wants to see what a true cricket killing system looks like. See Sydney radar and the system heading there currently.
Steelydan @ #1426 Tuesday, December 26th, 2023 – 2:43 pm
Yes I do. I have an eidetic memory. Served me well during Uni. Serves me well now. 😐
I can confirm that C@t has never said anything complimentary about Hugo Chavez. Nor does this surprise me.
I’m sure if young Hugo expressed undying love, loyalty and fielty to dear Old Uncle Sam, C@t would have been besotted.
Entropy, one thing I’ve found is that women are not really into quotations, so I’m not sure how much action you have seen.
Entropy is so … earnest … in his endeavours to embiggen the reputation of bleak city.
Why do Victorians have such an inferiority complex?
I mean, Melbourne is a nice enough town … for what it is … and victorian countryside is worth a jaunt through … for a couple of hours.
You’d think the Mexicans would be happy and grateful for their station. After all, Melbourne isnt Adelaide and Victoria isn’t Turd Island … BUT without the endless carping and comparisons with Sydney and NSW. Frankly, we simply don’t care very much … but we occasionally do find the neurosis behind the bleating to be irritating.
If you guys want to talk yourselves up as being “number one”, then congratulations: we agree – you can keep thinking you are number one. Just shut up about it. We are too busy actually being No.1 to care enough to brag.
Earlwood, you have no trams, and if you aren’t living near the water you might as well be in Adelaide. Sydney is great if you are a multi-millionaire. Everybody else is selling drugs and trying to move near the water.
Andrew Earlwood
Every city has its pros and cons.
I doubt the majority of Melburnians care about what Sydneysiders think about them and vice versa.
Feodosia is in Crimea is where a lot of Russian shipping was relocated from Sevastopol. Something cooking there tonight…
https://www.threads.net/@ukrainemonitor/post/C1TTOz0NAHr/
Live footage of other Australians responding to Sydney and Melbourne debating over who is better:
Rest of world reacting:
And of course I enjoy visiting other cities, but I am always happy to go back home to Melbournetown. Home is where the heart is.
nathsays:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:08 pm
Entropy, one thing I’ve found is that women are not really into quotations, so I’m not sure how much action you have seen.
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Are you saying Cole Porter lied to me?.
Brush Up Your Shakespeare: (Lyrics)
The girls today in society go for classical poetry
So to win their hearts one must quote with ease
Aeschylus ans Euripides
One must know Homer, and believe me, eau
Sophocles, also Sappho-ho
Unless you know Shelley and Keats and Pope
Dainty Debbies will call you a dope
But the poet of them all
Who will start ’em simply ravin’
Is the poet people call
The Bard of Stratford on Avon
Brush up your Shakespeare
Start quoting him now
Brush up your Shakespeare
And the women you will wow
Melbourne is the center of Australian civilization. And when I speak of Melbourne I refer to that portion served by the Greater Melbourne tram network.
You want culture, sophistication? We have got culture coming out of our arseholes.
Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:16 pm
Entropy is so … earnest … in his endeavours to embiggen the reputation of bleak city.
Why do Victorians have such an inferiority complex?
I mean, Melbourne is a nice enough town … for what it is … and victorian countryside is worth a jaunt through … for a couple of hours.
You’d think the Mexicans would be happy and grateful for their station. After all, Melbourne isnt Adelaide and Victoria isn’t Turd Island … BUT without the endless carping and comparisons with Sydney and NSW. Frankly, we simply don’t care very much … but we occasionally do find the neurosis behind the bleating to be irritating.
If you guys want to talk yourselves up as being “number one”, then congratulations: we agree – you can keep thinking you are number one. Just shut up about it. We are too busy actually being No.1 to care enough to brag
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Maybe we just don’t like being Mexico. Though i guess there are worse things to be.
Quote: “Poor Mexico, So Far From God, So Close to the United States.”
Socrates says:
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 3:42 pm
Obvious question: did Labor cut or defer spending too much to get budgets back into surplus? Did the RBA’s first too late then too steep interest rate cuts damage our economy?
Getting the budget back into surplus was not due to spending cuts but increases in revenues especially compared to forecasts. There were windfall gains in personal taxes (wages increased with inflation), consumer taxes and the price of iron ore remaining high shored up otherwise increasing company tax revenues.
RBA increasing/decreasing interest rates typically takes a while to filter through to the real economy. In general, monetary policy changes take one to two years to filter through. This period was also exacerbated by a healthy percentage of mortgage holders being on fixed rates for a long number of months. You can see the impact of the interest rate increases now filtering through to the relevant economic indicators. I think the RBA timed the changes in interest rates poorly as you suggest; too slow to increase and too fast to increase and too many increases.
Due to this I suspect economic activity will stay sluggish for a few more months as the interest increases start to bite more deeply. There are mixed signals and the labour market is still strong with some business associates saying they cant find workers.
However, I would expect government spending will be increased significantly in the budget and with the impact of stage 3 should increase aggregate demand and economic growth in the second half of the year.
Cheers
“ I doubt the majority of Melburnians care about what Sydneysiders think about them and vice versa.”
Here’s the thing Victoria: Melburnians do care – to the point of obsession – about what Sydneysiders think. We don’t care at all, but do occasionally get irritated by the fact that just about every conversation with a Melbournian soon descends into a dick measuring contest initiated and egged on by said Melbournian.
I think I’d actually enjoy living in Melbourne more than the locals. Mainly because I wouldn’t be so paranoid about that feeling in my guts that I’m somehow second rate.
And nath: regrettably we do have trams. Someone sensibly took all ours out in the 1960s, only for them to reappear like a metastasised cancer 50 years later.
As for your fever dreams about sydney drug dealing. Lols, coming from a melbournian. And at least Sydney has a series of waterways worth moving towards.
But like I said, Melbourne has its charms. Shed your inferiority complex nath and just enjoy them.
Echo
“ We have got culture coming out of our arseholes.”
That can be treated with modern medicine these days nath.
“I’ve just been to the JB Hi Fi Boxing Day Sale and I only had one thought, ‘Financial crisis, what financial crisis!?!’”
Apparently “Boxing Day” sales now begin before Christmas… We bought some kitchenware that we’ve been watching for several months to determine what the actual (vs list) price is, and when it’s actually on sale.
Speaking of silly sales, any sightings of Hot Cross Buns yet?
An example of Victorian Culture that combines elements of genuine greatness with moments of inferiority complex, writ large: The National Gallery of Victoria”. Great place, but one not content to simply refer to itself as “The Victorian State Gallery” or some such. Has to be embiggened … “National Gallery” lols. Its nearly Trumpian in its quality, this inferiority complex.
Andrew_Earlwood says:
Here’s the thing Victoria: Melburnians do care – to the point of obsession – about what Sydneysiders think. We don’t care at all, but do occasionally get irritated by the fact that just about every conversation with a Melbournian soon descends into a dick measuring contest initiated and egged on by said Melbournian.
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that’s because when we get into something we take it seriously. We started a feud back in the 1890s and have no intention of giving up on it now. We don’t get into things willy nilly. We invented our own football code and actually attend games in huge numbers. Same with Food, theaters, Art, etc.
What do Sydneysiders do apart from stew in humidity or wander vaguely towards the closest source of water? Who knows.
Well, the NSW vs Pakistan boxing day test has turned into a real fizzer this year.
Cozzie livs not even an issue at the davo household. Consensus over boxing day lunch it’s mainly a beat up to get Albo (it’s working on clowns like integrity). Shopping crowds around here just as big or bigger than last year as well. Demented potato dutton offers zilch relief anyway… The cost of having 70% of media run by that dreck ruprecht. If the scomonster got back in the foul media would be saying that the economy was booming 😡
“ We started a feud back in the 1890s and have no intention of giving up on it now.”
Lols. Why? Despite all the lovely baubles you have accumulated over the following 130 years, you still resemble a man fighting with himself: your ‘protagonist’ simply doesn’t care. Never did.
Listen to old mate Ray.
Selby ruminates about defamation:
https://citynews.com.au/2023/reputations-hit-the-rocks-when-defamation-goes-wrong/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=canberra-daily-today-s-news-today_7801