The fortnightly Essential Research result brings a return of federal voting intention numbers from the pollster, which were not provided for the poll that coincided with the referendum weekend. Research director Gavin White relates they have added education to a weighting frame that had encompassed age, gender, location and past vote following the referendum, the margin of which they underestimated. This should be kept in mind when comparing the voting intention results from the last set four weeks ago.
The most striking feature of the new numbers is a four point drop for the Greens, whom the pollster had long had hovering around 14% as compared with a 2022 election result of 12.3%. Now they are at 10%, with Labor down a point to 32%, the Coalition up two to 34%, One Nation up one to 7%, the United Australia Party up one to the top end of its long-term range of 1% to 3%, and uncommitted up one to 6%. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure has Labor down two to 48% and the Coalition up one to 46%, the remainder being uncommitted, which surpasses the mid-September result of 49% to 45% as the narrowest of the term. The gender breakdowns bear examination – where the pollster had hitherto reflected the usual pattern in having Labor doing better among women than men, this time it’s quite markedly the other way round.
Most of the other questions relate to electricity and the environment, including a semi-regular question on whether the government is doing enough to address climate change maintains a consistent pattern since Labor came to power, at which point a large gap between not doing enough and doing enough almost disappeared. Here the former is down one since April to 38% and the latter is up three to 36%, with doing too much up a point to 17%. Thirty-one per cent think it likely Australia will reach its target of net zero emissions by 2050, with 57% thinking it unlikely. A question on nuclear energy finds 50% supportive of developing nuclear plants for electricity with 33% opposed, all but unchanged when the same question was asked two years ago. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1149.
Also out are the weekly Roy Morgan numbers, which do not repeat last week’s unusual preference flow to the Coalition and resulting 50.5-49.5 lead for them on two-party preferred. This time Labor leads 53-47, from primary votes of Labor 32.5% (up half), Coalition 35% (down one) and Greens 15% (up one). The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1375.
Because of the change in methodology and the likely related change in results, Essential Research going forward will be treated as a new series for bias adjustment purposes in the BludgerTrack poll aggregate — meaning in won’t be included at all until there are enough results to get a handle on its peculiarities relative to the other pollsters. The results can nonetheless be found on the poll data page, together with Roy Morgan results which likewise aren’t used to calculate the poll trend.
It’s fascinating to see that, as the Coalition continues along the path of trying to make itself look more like One Nation, the real One Nation voting intention result went up a bit.
Thanks WB
The polls are as bumpy as the North Sea at the moment, lots of froth and bubble.
Mavis says:
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:17 pm
Cronus:
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 4:54 am
[‘Copenhagen’]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owKeu3-67dA
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Mavis
Definitely showing our age too. Who could forget Danny Kaye. I still recall my father whistling along to this.
Why the polling about nuclear power all of a sudden? Where has that come from?
Confessions says:
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:23 am
Why the polling about nuclear power all of a sudden? Where has that come from?
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Fess
Just more examples of media beat-ups that suit the Coalition Opposition narrative rather than focussing on genuine newsworthy facts or government policies.
https://theconversation.com/view-from-the-hill-is-the-political-system-letting-down-the-australian-public-215790
DP World, one of Australia’s two largest port operators, has paid no tax in Australia despite generating revenue of more than $4.5bn over eight years.
A new report by the Centre for International Corporate Tax Accountability and Research (Cictar) says that DP World’s top Australian subsidiary may have “artificially reduced profits” to achieve the result.
The report, by the Cictar principal analyst, Jason Ward, said that DP World is “another example of why the Australian government, as promised, must legislate full and complete public country by country reporting for all multinationals operating in Australia”.
Tax experts are concerned that lobbying by multinationals and fear Australia could be cut off from the international exchange of tax information if its regime goes too far could see Labor water down its promise to introduce country-by-country tax reporting in July 2024. DP World said that it fulfils its tax obligations by “paying in accordance with Australia’s tax regulations”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/01/dp-world-port-operator-australia-zero-tax
Quasar,
Thank you for the article by Saul Griffiths. Written just the way I like them- myth-busting for the ignorant. (It’s why one of our family’s favourite shows ever was Myth Busters. Decomplicated the most intriguing questions humourously). 😀
meher baba @ #1 Wednesday, November 1st, 2023 – 5:56 am
meher baba,
Between them, they’re trying to drag the Overton Window to the Far Right. And yes, they work together. The Queensland political axis I guess you could call it.
Btw, you need to get more sleep! 😆
Cronus
I was going to say the same thing re nuclear power. There is not even a serious proposal to change the law, let alone build a reactor. So why the interest?
I suppose there has been a shift around the world as memory of Fukushima fades. But also a lot of commercial interests pushing SMRs.
Cronus:
I didn’t think I’d missed an announcement by the government that they were looking at nuclear power options.
Unbelievable!
Saudi Arabia is set to host the men’s 2034 World Cup after FIFA confirmed it was the only bidder for the tournament. Australia decided against bidding to stage the tournament hours before Fifa’s deadline for declarations of interest on Tuesday.
Boris Johnson suggested he saw COVID as “nature’s way of dealing with old people” and was “obsessed” with them accepting their fate, the inquiry into the pandemic has heard. During a hearing on Tuesday, notes were shared from the government’s former chief scientist describing a “bonkers set of exchanges”.
Sir Patrick Vallance wrote in one of his notebooks in August 2020 that Mr Johnson was “obsessed with older people accepting their fate and letting the young get on with life and the economy going. Quite bonkers set of exchanges”. Another note from Sir Patrick in December 2020 suggested the then prime minister agreed with Tory MPs that COVID was “nature’s way of dealing with old people”.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/farmers-lobby-swings-behind-dutton-on-campaign-against-wind-farms-20231031-p5eg9z.html
Presumably they’d be happy to see nuclear power plants and take nuclear waste on farm lands, yes?
the nucliar power has come from the liberalsit cant be done but its a debate to avoid action on climate change
John Howard and Ziggy Switkowski have been pushing nuclear power forever, and they never quit! They just hand the baton to the next Liberal leader. Except Ziggy remains in the background, ever-ready to produce the guff needed for the media to hang its hat on.
Basically, what’s behind it all is the fact that sun and wind are free. Ergo, they and their mates can’t make shedloads of money off it.
Has anyone else noticed how the media are reverting to pushing the Coalition’s agenda from Opposition, AGAIN?
I’m shocked, shocked to find a big four accounting firm mixed up in greenwashing.
“ Origin Energy, KPMG, and Zoos Victoria are among the companies that bought credits from the Kariba REDD+ Forest Project, which is being investigated by international greenhouse crediting organisation Verra.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-01/qld-carbon-credits-south-pole-emissions-environment-climate/103032542
Good morning Dawn Patrollers. We have a Wednesday Whopper today!
The global economy is now more at risk from major technological, political and environmental changes that will slow growth, put upward pressure on inflation and leave interest rates higher, a senior Reserve Bank official has warned. Brad Jones, the bank’s assistant governor responsible for financial services, used a speech in Sydney yesterday to argue the advent of social media and fast international movement of money was amplifying the risks facing the financial systems and the broader economy. Ahane Wright takes us through what was said.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/social-media-climate-and-supply-chains-are-amplifying-economic-risks-rba-20231031-p5egba.html
National home values are on track to reach a record high by the middle of this month, strengthening the chances the Reserve Bank will lift rates again today, says Rachel Clun.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/interest-rate-rise-looms-as-australian-home-values-approach-record-high-20231031-p5eg9u.html
Australia’s property prices have soared to record levels in several capital cities as limited sales volumes and rising populations more than made up for the dampening effect of higher interest rates, two data groups say. Peter Hannam writes that the new figures show significant growth in Brisbane, Adelaide, and in Perth, where five areas have recorded annual gains of more than 15%, while prices in Sydney are 7.51% higher than a year ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/31/record-property-prices-in-multiple-australian-cities-with-sydney-up-75-in-past-year
The strategic pathway is opening for Peter Dutton. Almost infamous as a hard man running negatives, Dutton now finds the 2022 existential crisis of the Liberal Party is matched by the identity dilemma confronting Anthony Albanese as Prime Minister, writes Pontificating Paul Kelly.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/elite-power-opens-way-for-duttons-liberal-fightback/news-story/361a95515b5cc58bf3c082f5b116e2b5?amp=
A significant minority of Australians think the country should withdraw from the overall ANZUS security alliance with the US if Donald Trump returns to the White House, while just under half of the respondents in a new poll believe the AUKUS pact locks Australia in to supporting the US in any armed conflict. Katherine Murphy writs that the findings, to be released today, are part of an opinion survey undertaken annually by the United States Studies Centre. YouGov surveyed 1,019 adults in Australia, 1,055 in the US and 1,015 in Japan about a range of foreign policy and security questions related to the Indo-Pacific.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/01/almost-40-think-australia-should-dump-us-alliance-if-donald-trump-returns-as-president-poll-finds
Minister for the Public Service Katy Gallagher has declared the need for APS reform is stronger than ever in light of the damning robodebt debacle and she’s announcing new integrity measures for secretaries’ roles, appointments, and code of conduct breaches. Karen Barlow writes that today, Gallagher will deliver the first annual statement on the progress of the Albanese government’s “ambitious” APS reforms and announce the work, including new own motion powers for the APS Commissioner Gordon de Brouwer to refer serious code breaches that will be rolled out over the next 18 months.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8407047/new-powers-for-commissioner-in-next-stage-of-public-service-reform/?cs=14329
Australia’s chief medical officer has declared the emergency period of the COVID pandemic over, despite confirmation the nation is entering a new wave of infection, reports Aisha Dow.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/a-slightly-more-dangerous-place-australia-is-in-its-eighth-covid-wave-20231030-p5eg5k.html
Scott Morrison has warned his successor, Anthony Albanese, that the Chinese Communist Party could exploit his visit to Beijing for propaganda purposes, writes Latika Bourke. Yes, Latika, Morrison is so very highly regarded at home and around the world!
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/scott-morrison-warns-pm-china-could-take-advantage-of-his-visit-20231031-p5eg8d.html
It was helpful of Greg Sheridan to advertise in The the new ultraconservative conference that he is attending in London. While his column is no doubt intended to recruit, it is useful in shining a spotlight on a traditionally shadowy architecture of influence, says Lucy Hamilton.
https://johnmenadue.com/an-ultraconservative-shadow-network-is-forming-designed-to-influence-you/
The number of participants in the government’s reverse mortgage scheme is growing at an annual rate of about 60 per cent, as more Australians seek to unlock the value of their homes to boost their income in retirement, writes John Collett.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/retirees-flock-to-government-s-reverse-mortgage-scheme-to-boost-income-20231027-p5efhz.html
The ANU’s Steven Hamilton and Ryan Edwards say we should look at the evidence and like them, conclude that cutting immigration would be a mistake for Australia.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/look-at-the-evidence-cutting-immigration-would-be-a-mistake-for-australia-20231030-p5eg5l.html
While the Albanese Government has done its best to amend the visa system chaos left by the Coalition, student visa numbers have resulted in more work to be done, writes Abul Rizvi.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/management-of-student-visas-has-government-in-a-pickle,18038
The ACT’s voluntary assisted dying legislation has been commended by proponents but slammed as the “worst bill” put forward by any jurisdiction from its opponents. Human Rights Minister Tara Cheyne dedicated the bill to people who had died and wanted to access voluntary assisted dying but were unable to.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8407042/advocates-laud-assisted-dying-bill-but-critics-condemn-worst-bill/?cs=14329
The ACT’s Minister for Human Rights writes that VAD is not a choice between life or death. Nor is it an alternative to, nor does it detract from, palliative care. In this op-ed she explains the bill’s development and concepts.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8405268/acts-voluntary-assisted-dying-laws-will-be-different-to-other-states/?cs=14329
The powerful national farm lobby is siding with Opposition Leader Peter Dutton as he backs locals fighting renewable energy projects crucial to the Albanese government’s clean energy election commitments, writes Mike Foley. Here we go again – the march of the Luddites.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/farmers-lobby-swings-behind-dutton-on-campaign-against-wind-farms-20231031-p5eg9z.html
The right is firing misinformation bullets in its climate war on renewables, says Peter Lewis who gives us a way to fight back. He says, “Fresh from dragging an invitation for reconciliation into a mire of racial division, the reactionary right is prepping a new community consensus to infect, recasting the transition to renewables as a reckless attack on the environment.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2023/oct/31/the-right-is-firing-misinformation-bullets-in-its-climate-war-on-renewables-heres-a-way-to-fight-back
Rupert Murdoch’s media empire serves as a platform for the Coalition to spread right-wing causes, fear and hate, writes Victoria Fielding.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/news-corps-war-on-albos-voice,18036
Michael Pascoe comes to the defence of the ‘elites’, saying they simply make better decisions. It’s an interesting read.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2023/11/01/michael-pascoe-elites-better-decisions
A rogue government researcher, protected by a shadow minister, abetted by government-funded solicitors and left free to roam wild by his superiors. Why has Canberra’s busiest “CCP watcher” – and his vexatious legal team – suddenly gone mum? One of their victims, Michael West, reports. (Spoiler: It’s James Paterson he’s referring to).
https://michaelwest.com.au/manchurian-candidate-prolific-chinese-communist-spy-hunter-suddenly-silent/
John McCarthy reports that the insurance industry has admitted it was overwhelmed by the scale and ferocity of the 2022 east coast flood disaster, which caused $6 billion damage, and has accepted the recommendations of a report into how it responded. He tells us that the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority will soon conduct a climate scenario analysis with insurers to try to better understand the risks to the financial system and broader community due to changes in insurance cost and coverage.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2023/10/31/insurance-lismore-floods-climate-change
Qantas has warned Labor’s workplace reforms could lead to higher airfares, as it said it would need to reduce the pay and conditions of its staff over time to stay afloat and remain competitive in a global aviation market, writes Angus Thompson. A handy redefinition of productivity by the severely tarnished company?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/qantas-needs-to-pay-staff-less-to-stay-afloat-executive-20231031-p5ege8.html
The Australian Hotels Association and the Pharmacy Guild signed on to support Labor’s latest IR changes, frustrating bigger lobby groups, writes Tom McIlroy who says Labor has splintered opposition to its second tranche of industrial relations reform with new concessions on casual employment, prompting a fresh warning from miner BHP that the plan would add to inflationary pressure and undermine international competitiveness.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/burke-s-concession-on-casuals-rattles-business-on-ir-20231031-p5eg9p
DP World, one of Australia’s two largest port operators, has paid no tax in Australia despite generating revenue of more than $4.5bn over eight years. Paul Karp refers to a new report by the Centre for International Corporate Tax Accountability and Research which says that DP World’s top Australian subsidiary may have “artificially reduced profits” to achieve the result.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/01/dp-world-port-operator-australia-zero-tax
Liam Mannix writes about how money can corrupt science – and what to do about it.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-money-can-corrupt-science-and-what-to-do-about-it-20231031-p5eg9k.html
Threats, abuse, condemnation and accusations. It might sound like a pub brawl, but it was a theatrical showdown between the shareholders and the board at the annual meeting of Endeavour – the biggest pub and bottle shop owner in the country, reports Elizabeth Knight. She says the most important thing is that this annual general meeting was only a warm-up. The showdown between the Endeavour board and the company’s largest shareholder, billionaire activist Bruce Mathieson, is yet to play out.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/the-shareholder-meeting-that-felt-like-a-pub-brawl-20231031-p5egf2.html
Disgruntled employees in Australia’s essential industries are being targeted by foreign governments looking to exploit their insider knowledge, in one of the biggest threats to national security. Natassia Chrysanthos writes about the first annual review of major dangers to Australia’s critical infrastructure which has identified that workplace insiders are among the most attractive targets for malicious foreign intelligence services because they can harm national security, undermine capabilities and be pre-positioned for hiring in specific roles.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fed-up-in-your-job-foreign-spies-target-resentful-workers-in-essential-industries-20231031-p5egg3.html
The NSW government is wrestling with the dilemma of meeting housing targets while also protecting communities from natural disasters, explains Michael McGowan who points to the strict new rules threaten construction of thousands of homes in south-west Sydney.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/strict-new-rules-threaten-construction-of-thousands-of-homes-in-south-west-sydney-20231031-p5egfq.html
Following on from Laura Banks’ report yesterday from a coronial inquiry, she tells us that four Sydney doctors have been referred to the medical board for investigation after the NSW state coroner found their actions led to the death of a 20-year-old man at St George Hospital.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/four-sydney-doctors-referred-to-medical-board-over-hospital-death-20231031-p5egcb.html
In the wake of the failed Voice referendum several topics are still attracting contentious debate. How significant was racism for the no case? Does the decisive defeat suggest that Australia remains chained to its heritage of White Australia? Many people think so, writes Henry Reynolds.
https://johnmenadue.com/racism-the-unstated-australian-agenda/
Michael Koziol tells us how “struggling” Crown Sydney wants to renegotiate the 2013 agreement in which it promised to pay $1 billion in NSW gaming taxes over 15 years, citing economic and regulatory changes.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/struggling-crown-seeks-rewrite-of-1-billion-nsw-tax-contract-20231031-p5egbk.html
“Amid the pomp in Washington did the Australian Prime Minister sense the enormity of the moment? As he paid homage to the hegemon could he feel the facade crumbling to reveal America’s slipping power?”, wonders Mike Scrafton.
https://johnmenadue.com/america-is-a-wounded-hegemon/
Boris Johnson told senior advisers that the Covid virus was “just nature’s way of dealing with old people” and he was “no longer buying” the fact the NHS was overwhelmed during the pandemic, the UK pandemic inquiry has heard. Yeah Boris, you’re a cracker!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/oct/31/boris-johnson-favoured-older-people-accepting-their-fate-covid-inquiry-hears
The AFR’s editorial says that Israel must temper its vengeance with prudence and that it cannot afford to alienate the allies and neighbours that it will need if it is ever to have a workable solution in Gaza.
https://www.afr.com/world/middle-east/israel-must-temper-its-vengeance-with-prudence-20231030-p5eg1a
The failure of the Voice referendum appeared to confirm Australians broadly reject propositions they believe to be characterised by divisiveness. There are few geopolitical circumstances more polarising than the drastic flaring of conflict between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza, writes Andy Marks at the beginning of his contribution on Australian MPs walking a difficult line on the Israel-Hamas conflict.
https://theconversation.com/australian-mps-walk-a-difficult-line-on-israel-hamas-conflict-216629
Cartoon Corner
David Rowe
Matt Golding
Peter Broelman
Mark David
Andrew Dyson
John Shakespeare
Simon Letch
Fiona Katauskas
Mark Knight
Spooner
From the US
Fiona Katauskas
Thanks BK. The first thing that came to mind when I saw that was that SfM knows ALL about exploiting things for propaganda purposes!
I just heard King Charles on the radio apologising for the appalling treatment of Kenyans by the colonial British, saying there could be ‘no excuses.’
For anyone interested, I highly recommend the novel ‘A Grain of Wheat’ by Ngugi wa Thiong’o.
It follows the lives of a group of Kenyan villagers during ‘the Emergency’ – the 1952-1960 crackdown by the British following the Mau Mau rebellion.
Just another example of how truly evil The British Empire was.
BK
RBA Meeting on November 7, not today
The then Princess Elizabeth was staying at the Treetops Hotel in Kenya when she learned she was Queen on 6 February 1952. Did Charles apologize for mummy’s role in putting lipstick on various British colonial pigs?
On Monday, all living Australian PMs except Paul Keating released a statement condemning Hamas, supporting Israel’s right to defend itself, and calling for an end to anti-Semitic hate speech.
On Sunday, Keating said he wouldn’t sign a statement “drafted by the Zionist Federation of Australia.”
C@tmommasays:
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 7:21 am
Has anyone else noticed how the media are reverting to pushing the Coalition’s agenda from Opposition, AGAIN?
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It’s pretty simple. The use by date for blaming the previous govt for current problems has now passed. It’s all on Labor now.
#weatheronPB
A thickening haze,
A dirty uncertain sky,
Press down on our eyes.
Thanks BK! A bumper issue indeed!
David Rowe carefully navigates William’s embargo on ME discussions.
RBA always meets on first Tuesday of the month.
Taylormade
Did you hear that Victoria is the best performing economy in Australia?
No doubt the herald sun and Neil Mitchell have been reporting this good news. Lol
@meher:
“It’s fascinating to see that, as the Coalition continues along the path of trying to make itself look more like One Nation, the real One Nation voting intention result went up a bit.”
The same was true of the ALP vote when Turnbull tried to make the Coalition look more like Labor and the Coalition vote when Beasley me too’d with Howard. . Scott Morrison’s triumph in 2019 was built on recognising that the Liberals would do better owning being the right wing bastards than being an inferior copy of their rivals – people vote for the real thing not the copy.
Regarding Victorian, might be performing but all you can say is debt, debt, massive debt which all the kids and grandkids are going to have to pay for.
Daniel Andrews was good at one thing, he could bloody spend and not worry about any consequences.
Keating would have been wiser not to say Zionist. At this point saying it is basically code for a person who believes Israel shouldn’t exist, like the retiring UN guy who put out that letter overnight and said the quiet part out loud about wanting Israel to not exist.
Stil, I’m sure he (Keating) doesn’t give a shit about the attacks he’ll cop for this.
Certain energy experts are now saying wind power should be limited to 15% of the grid and solar at 10% – 25% total. These forms of energy lose value as they get higher than those 2 percentages.
Christ knows what percentages Bowen is aiming for.
The other 75% – a mix of baseload (coal, gas, nuclear) /hydro/ and other forms.
The most important factor is to have a good spread of energy production and not put all your eggs in one basket as Bowen is doing.
It continues to baffle me how so many matured aged people still believe the bullshit being propagated on social media.
At a catch up with old friends, other half had to school people that should have known better about Trump. There was a discussion where a couple of them were saying that the law was only going after Trump to stop him from being president again.
My other half who follows the Trumpecene period very closely, gave them a mini lecture. Their response was. Oh we didn’t know all that.
This explains everything we need to know about the times we live in.
@michael:
“Certain energy experts”
Citation needed.
Are these “experts” climate change deniers, funded by fossil fuel companies, from the Republican Party, or all three?
Victoria:
If you want a local example of how seemingly intelligent people are sucked in by social media, just look at the excuses people gave for voting No in the referendum. Much of that nonsense was distributed on high rotation on social media platforms.
“Certain energy experts”……? Who? ?
Gas is not and has never been a baseload form of electricity generation. The whole term “baseload generation” is a made up, non scientific term. The “base load” was only created in the 1950’s to provide a load to keep non flexible coal plants running overnight. Remove the base load and the need for much of this generation overnight disappears.
Run of river Hydro is not baseload generation either – it can really only run at peak times (outside of Tasmania otherwise the water quickly runs out, and pumped hyrdo is not a form of generation at all – it’s a storage mechanism.
The Government is not putting all eggs in one basket – that’s actually what off shore wind is about.
Please don’t come on this forum and start flooding the place with total crap, Michael
Taylormade @ #24 Wednesday, November 1st, 2023 – 8:36 am
Absolute crap. There is no ‘Use By Date’ for a clusterfuck of a government’s mistakes.
Fess
Since you mention that. This too was discussed at the dinner. And sadly only OH and one other person voted yes. Rest voted no.
My OH said to the others who voted no, that he hoped it wasn’t due to bullshit that they would take away their homes or some such ridiculous crap.
They sheepishly responded nah not really. Which is code for yeah.
Facepalm.
These people are all in the frickin fifties.
I can’t fathom this at all.
Michael is likely a political operative, paid to come on this forum and flood the zone with absolute crap.
Arky @ #35 Wednesday, November 1st, 2023 – 8:54 am
Gallup have a graph showing acceptance of human caused climate change over time by political affiliation (Democrat, Republican, Independent). From 2003 to now.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/474542/steady-six-say-global-warming-effects-begun.aspx
Arky @ #35 Wednesday, November 1st, 2023 – 9:24 am
Contracted by Whitehorse Strategies to sell their souls to the devil, probably.
My experience is that this demographic is ripe for falling for nonsense on social media, Facebook in particular.
Team Katich, as the sun will cook us in the end, has there been any studies done to investigate whether the Sun’s thermal heat has changed in nature over the past decades and will it increase in coming decades. It’s expanding all the time very slowly. We need to know 100% what’s happening here before we spend trillions which may not achieve much and the end be very pointless.
I’m not a fan of these “talking pictures” cartoon nonsense because people are dismissing the degrading and sexist cartoon that depicted our Premier Jacinta Allan, it is unacceptable and anyone posting these cartoons should denounce it.
In other news, it appears National and ACT in NZ will not reach 61 seats instead will fall to 59 but will get the 60th from a By-election. This means that while this isn’t a majority, it isn’t enough to be voted down either as 60 for the government and 60 for the opposition. Although if the speaker is from National this would make the government have 59 to the Oppositions 60.
Michael,
You could ask NASA…
https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/
‘michael says:
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:41 am
Team Katich, as the sun will cook us in the end, has there been any studies done to investigate whether the Sun’s thermal heat has changed in nature over the past decades and will it increase in coming decades. It’s expanding all the time very slowly. We need to know 100% what’s happening here before we spend trillions which may not achieve much and the end be very pointless.’
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100% certainty in life does not exist: a crippling test, as intended.
Nice try but no potato.
Alpha Zero – good info. Looks as though at 1970 the temperature separated from the solar irradiance, so the sun’s thermal heat looks stable over the past 50 years even dropping. What do they predict with the Sun’s solar irradiance over the next 100 years.
Hopefully Yellowstone does not go off as its due as well for an eruption, and again everything is pointless if that supervolcano shows its wares. But I am sure they are keeping an eye on it.
michael says:
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:19 am
Certain energy experts are now saying wind power should be limited to 15% of the grid and solar at 10% – 25% total. These forms of energy lose value as they get higher than those 2 percentages.
Christ knows what percentages Bowen is aiming for.
The other 75% – a mix of baseload (coal, gas, nuclear) /hydro/ and other forms.
The most important factor is to have a good spread of energy production and not put all your eggs in one basket as Bowen is doing.
A message from 1980. Base-load was about coal fired power stations. They are now all dying from old age and the lack of base load to pay for the rebuilds to keep them operational. No more being built, no base load to support them.
The problem now is network load can become negative. There is no longer any room for generation that can’t be controlled.
https://www.powerengineeringint.com/renewables/south-australia-experiences-negative-electricity-demand-thanks-to-renewables/
Micheal the Liberal need to get the head out of their ass and look around. The world is changing.
Fess
It certainly has been the case. Honestly by that age one should have some critical thinking skills. Sheesh….