The latest Newspoll courtesy of The Australian maintains the general pattern of late in finding Labor maintaining strong leads on voting intention while Indigeous Voice support continues to collapse. The two-party result is 54-46 in favour of Labor, out from 53-47 last time, from primary votes of Labor 36% (up one), Coalition 36% (down one), Greens 11% (down two) and One Nation 6% (down one).
The leadership ratings are highlighted by a slump for Peter Dutton, who is down six on approval to 32% and up three on disapproval to 52%, while Anthony Albanese is up one to 47% and down three to 44%. Preferred prime minister is nonetheless little changed, with Albanese’s lead out from 50-31 to 50-30.
The good news for the government ends on the question of the Indigenous Voice, on which yes is down two to 36% and no is up three to 56%. Pyxis Polling’s promptly published methodology statement tells us the poll was conducted Monday to Friday from a sample of 1239.
UPDATE (Freshwater Strategy): Less happy news for Labor on the voting intention front a Freshwater Strategy poll in the Financial Review, the third federal poll from this outfit this term. The previous poll in May gave Labor a lead of 52-48 when the general trend was around 55-45, and this one has it at 51-49, from primary votes of Labor 33% (down one), Coalition 37% (steady) and Greens 13% (up one). Anthony Albanese has net negative personal ratings with 38% favourable (down four) and 41% unfavourable (up four), while Peter Dutton is at 30% (steady) and 40% (down two). Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister is in from 51-33 to 46-37. A question on the Indigenous Voice finds yes on 33% and no on 50%. The poll was conducted Friday to Sunday from a sample of 1003.
Nothing that a few terms of Labor Government federally can’t fix…
‘Holdenhillbilly says:
Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:04 pm
Shares in crisis-hit Chinese property giant Evergrande have been suspended in Hong Kong amid reports its chairman has been placed under police surveillance. It follows reports earlier this week that other current and former executives had also been detained. Thursday’s market statement did not give a reason for the trading halt.
But it marks another low for the heavily indebted property giant which defaulted in 2021, triggering China’s current real estate market crisis. In August, the firm filed for bankruptcy in New York, in a bid to protect its US assets as it worked on a multi-billion dollar deal with creditors. The market trading halt now comes just a month after the firm’s previous 17-month suspension was lifted.’
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Thanks. I have been wondering…
The shares have been junk grade for some time.
From memory the comrades have taken the following actions:
1. Promised that all homes in the industry that someone has bought off the plan will be built. I assume that this is to stop the populace from revolting. The implication was that the promise covered all dwellings, not just Country Garden dwellings. This promise has not been repeated.
2. Forced mortgage interest repayments down for some buyers.
3. Tried to increase liquidity. Inter alia, it has changed the amount lenders had to hold in reserve by decreasing it by around 30%.
4. Explained that the evil West is telling lies about the construction industry to try to embarrass China.
I doubt whether any of the above can possibly save Country Garden. The debts are north of $350 billion and the ponzi-based income streams are drying up. Only a massive infusion of government capital can save the day. This is, IMO, a can-do. But Xi has been trying to clean up the property industry for years. Will this be a Lehmann Bros moment for China?
One of the interesting things is whether the comrades decide to do level playing field with dollar based foreign bond holders. The sum there is around $30 billion. The comrades have been fiddling the numbers to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing untoward about foreign capital inflows. So they at least know it matters enough to be lying about it.
Meanwhile the foreign minister and the defence minister are both still disappeared.
meher baba @ #1443 Thursday, September 28th, 2023 – 8:12 pm
Were they though? Or were they made on Pezzulo’s private phone? Also, they were encrypted messages, so doesn’t the law state you can only get encrypted messages from someone like Pezzulo, after proving a national security concern to a judge? Or have I been reading too much about American laws? 🙂
also wonder whiy liberals and there media mates all ways targit progresive female mps are they sexist jacinta alan being labeled a corear politician the atempt to distroy joe haylin over her department secretary worker 20 years a go for the premier kk gallacher gillard palaszuk with the sexist names the sydney lord jmayor penny wong
And the issue is not too much accountability for the left of politics. It’s the lack of equal treatment for the right.
There is too much influence from special interests. It looks like the Qatar decision was indeed probably done to please Qantas. King has been unwilling to give any convincing explanation and only leant on the Doha Airport debacle as a reason after it was suggested to her by journalists
Aaron newton @ #1450 Thursday, September 28th, 2023 – 8:17 pm
They think women are easier to target. Simples.
Historian Geoffrey Blainey says Indigenous people were counted in the census before 1967. Is that correct?
https://amp-abc-net-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/102906950?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16958933518851&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2023-09-28%2Ffact-check-geoffrey-blainey-indigenous-counted-census-1967%2F102906950
“According to Professor Blainey, the First Nations leaders who drafted the statement “believed their kinsfolk were not even deemed worthy of being counted — until the referendum of 1967 raised their political status”.
“If true, the accusation is a serious blemish on the Australian nation during the past century and a half. But it is not true.”
He continued: “On the contrary, they had been counted in every federal census since 1901, and counted moreover in the face of obstacles confronted by few other national statisticians.”
So, were Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people counted in every Commonwealth census before 1967?
RMIT ABC Fact Check investigates.
Readers are advised that the following fact check contains outdated historical references to First Nations people which may be considered offensive.
The verdict
Yes, Indigenous people were enumerated in federal censuses prior to 1967, but there is more to the story than Professor Blainey’s claim suggests.
The numbers of so-called “full-bloods”, as they were referred to in early censuses, were not included in the final population figures. Basic counts of the “full-blood” Aboriginal population were instead published separately, often with no further analysis of that population’s characteristics.
(People deemed to be less than “half” Aboriginal were included as part of the European population, with so-called “half-castes” then analysed by “race”).
Torres Strait Islander people were similarly excluded until 1947, when the government decided they were not part of the “aboriginal native” population.
Experts consulted by Fact Check said that whether Professor Blainey’s claim was correct ultimately boiled down to whatever meaning people ascribed to the word “counted”.
This could refer to whether Indigenous people were counted among the population more generally and, by extension, the nation-state.
As one expert put it, following this second interpretation meant that Indigenous people “were not counted, in the Uluru statement sense”.
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Is there not a little irony that the head of Home Affairs which is partially responsible for security has had a leak of secure messages?
Geoffrey Blainey also describes John Howard as one of Australia’s greatest Prime Ministers, just to give you an idea of where he stands.
wonder if brandis could posibly be the person who applied for the texmesages and then got mckenzey to report them hishave to be careful re defermation but brandis column expressing shock at theleaksseemed suspicous brandis was a long time seporter of nine chairmann costellow when they were mps and brandis would have a interest in bringing down pezzulo with his new role as a opinion writter
brandis needs to reveal what he new abbout this his column calling for pezzulo should resign hinted with the coment pezzulo is a man of inimpeachable integrity brandis would not have written this buy acsedent brandis is as much of a player as pezzulo he should resign as a columnist how our worst aterney general and stoker fgot to be nine columnist with a weekley popinion pease no x labor minister has been given this privlidge tospread propergander in the costellow pappers
I can’t speak for others but I don’t hate either Thorpe or Price.
I do regard them as being significantly and disproportionately destructive at a crucial moment in First Nations’ history but that is not a reason to hate them.
I hope that once she has helped destroy the referendum Price actually turns her mind to policies and programs that a future Coalition government will deploy in order to close the gap – other than the cuts of hundreds of millions in Indigenous funding during the Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison governments. These massive cuts do, of course, make sense if the impacts of colonization (apart from the beneficial impacts which go on forever) are done and dusted.
As for Thorpe’s future contributions I hope she works closely with Burney and with Price towards developing and implementing policies and programs that will close the gap. I note here that Burney, were it not for the referendum, would already be regarded as one of the best ever ministers for Indigenous Affairs. If you are wondering, she gets it that locally and regional programs delivered by Indigenous people tend to be far more effective than those administered from the various capitals. (I reckon Wyatt had the same potential but he never had a hope under Turnbull and Morrison.)
I hope Burney gets at least another term in the job.
i think labor needs to get tough and perhaps bring in a new law that x mps can not be chair of independent media it is highly likely costellow has edetorial control over his media out lets withthe decline of the herald and the age preveously independent news pappers to the type of liberal party propergander that reporters such as james masola and aligzandra smith is likely comingfrom the bord
aaron newton says:
Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:29 pm
i think labor needs to get tough and perhaps bring in a new law that x mps can not be chair of independent media it is highly likely costellow has edetorial control over his media out lets
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Deluded stuff. Peter Costello has no interest in giving Dutton, Morrison or anyone else a leg up. Peter Costello cares about Peter Costello.
To think that he spends his time thinking about how to make Dutton PM. Just laughable.
Such is the Tao of the Labor stooge.
naf if costellow is not a player whiy did nine appoint costellows nukmbers man in his failed leadership battles Jorje brandis a long time liberal faction aparachick as a columnist to spread propergander on a weekly basis could it be because brandis is one of costellows closist friends and is being used to influence publick debate costellow has not offered a former labor minister to be a columnist to ballence brandis
+1 nath
Costello wants the Coalition in power and Labor out of power.
Personalities come and go so it is not about Dutton specifically.
But if you want business to have open slather then you want the Coalition in power.
Simple as that.
At news Corp there is a general understanding among the editors and journalists of the lines they should be taking. I don’t think Costello has come along and influenced that at Nine.
Sorry sprocket, I hadn’t read your post before I posted mine. So the text messages were indeed recovered through a discovery order?
B.S. Fairman @ #1454 Thursday, September 28th, 2023 – 8:21 pm
Yes, but the heads of the security services work in mysterious ways. I would hazard a guess that they routinely identify national security threats and write reports to the Minister.
The “No” campaign should have had their own Uluru Statement. But call their’s the “Statement of the Mind”rather than the “Statement of the Heart”.
Talk about thinking rather than feeling.
Also, I think Catherine King is going to get the sack. Terry Barnes had some good analysis on the Qantas Senate hearings. Apparently, some have suggested Joyce could face jail time if he doesn’t show up to the hearings. I think that would probably a bridge too far.
BW, I think Price is conflicted as to her heritage – ashamed perhaps.
Clearly her mother Bess Price is a strong influence. https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2023/09/making-life-even-worse-for-us/ Who has adhered to the Adam Giles CLP message
I thought her answer at the Press Club to her heritage was telling. Putting as much store in her father’s convict origins as her mother’s indigenous ones.
‘hazza says:
Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:40 pm
At news Corp there is a general understanding among the editors and journalists of the lines they should be taking. I don’t think Costello has come along and influenced that at Nine.’
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Evidence, please.
Pezzullo and Campbell are the symptoms of the rot that has been set in APS during L-NP regime.
For example and these are public statements by Barnaby Joyce and Dutton about ABC
Joyce: we give you money so you have to do what we say
Dutton on 2GB as a government minister: ABC is dead to me.
What I am trying to say is that if they can put pressure on Australian Public broadcaster image what they can do behind the scenes.
Remember when news corp papers had that snap campaign to get everyone on board with net zero and renewables. What a laugh. That lasted about a week until the change of government
Boerwar
Don’t have any
sprocket_ @ #1434 Thursday, September 28th, 2023 – 8:06 pm
Oh wow! It should be a law of physics: The Law of Unintended Consequences. 😀
So, if they have the Pezz, then who might it nab next, I wonder?
Meher
That’s my understanding. One could speculate on how and why the Pezzullo texts, legally obtained, found their way into the 9fax outlets..
UK Voting Intention Via YouGov, On 27-28 September, Changes w/ 21-22 September:
LAB: 45% (+2) CON: 24% (-3) LDM: 11% (+1) REF: 8% (=) GRN: 7% (=) SNP: 3% (=)
Bridget McKenzie was very impressive in the senate inquiry today. Looks as though Qantas was using the “Yes” campaign as PR cover to hide the Qatar blocking.
‘sprocket_ says:
Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:42 pm
BW, I think Price is conflicted as to her heritage – ashamed perhaps.
Clearly her mother Bess Price is a strong influence. https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2023/09/making-life-even-worse-for-us/ Who has adhered to the Adam Giles CLP message
I thought her answer at the Press Club to her heritage was telling. Putting as much store in her father’s convict origins as her mother’s indigenous ones.’
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Price is paying the price for being Indigenous. Somehow or other you are always expected to explain yourself as through that question in the NPC. It must be terribly, terribly wearing – particularly if you have been raised to internalize the various conflicts without having had a chance to resolve them.
There is absolutely no reason at all why Price should not do what nearly all other descendants of convicts in Australia do: wear it as some sort of badge of pride. (Don’t ask me why. I think it is perverse.) All the others do it as a matter of course but Price has to explain it.
https://youtu.be/IxjQHM5qEsY
Nothing wrong with it, but imagine another country spending so much time talking about a single decision over airline slots. Also inflation is back up and interest rates are now expected to stay high until late 2024 rather than early in the year. The government is feeling the heat right now.
And, as reliable as Big Ben, out comes the SMH with another trove of Pezz …
Suspended Home Affairs chief Michael Pezzullo provided a big tobacco company access to one of his department’s highest-ranking officials after a request from a lobbying company owned by Pezzullo’s close friend, Labor stalwart Chris Fry.
Correspondence seen by this masthead and briefings from several sources with direct knowledge of events also reveal Pezzullo separately sought to influence Coalition and Labor politicians on the parliamentary committee overseeing Australia’s national security agencies and laws, and took steps to keep some of these interactions secret.
Among those he sought to privately cultivate was now opposition defence spokesman Andrew Hastie, who Pezzullo invited to his house for a discreet dinner.
An ongoing investigation by this masthead has also obtained written evidence that, after an approach from a lobbyist, Pezzullo had a private discussion with the head of controversial consulting firm PwC about its plans to privatise the quarantine system during the pandemic. Pezzullo declined multiple requests for interviews about the contents of the investigation and referred inquiries to the Home Affairs Department.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/home-affairs-chief-s-links-to-big-tobacco-pwc-revealed-20230926-p5e7q5.html
sprocket_ @ #1468 Thursday, September 28th, 2023 – 8:42 pm
This Adam Giles:
Adam Giles was Australia’s first Indigenous head of government.
The 41-year-old father of one is the Member for Braitling.
He was born in the Blue Mountains region of NSW and studied accounting and real estate.
He worked in public housing management for the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission, then moved to Canberra and worked for the Department of the PM.
In 2004 he stood as the Liberal candidate for the ACT electorate of Fraser.
He later settled in Alice Springs, and stood as a CLP candidate for Lingiari in 2007.
He lost, but was elected to the seat of Braitling in the 2008 Territory election.
He became Transport Minister after the 2012 election.
He had recently faced concerns about his leadership style, his personal judgement, his communication with the public and his handling of the scandal surrounding former Police Commissioner John McRoberts.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-03/nt-chief-minister-giles-refuses-to-quit-after-leadership-coup/6065200
Starmer is a shoo in. I reckon he’s been getting some counsel from our own labour party.
Haley, Christie and DeSantis all had memorable moments in the GOP debate today.
The moderation left a lot to be desired. Although the last question about “who should be voted off the island?” was a good one, a pity no one but Christie answered.
Christie of course said Trump. No love lost there
Boerwar says:
Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:39 pm
Costello wants the Coalition in power and Labor out of power.
Personalities come and go so it is not about Dutton specifically.
But if you want business to have open slather then you want the Coalition in power.
Simple as that.
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I doubt that Costello is all that wedded to Liberal Party success. Not in the same way Howard is. In any case Costello is Chairman of 9 as an Independent appointee. He is not CEO nor does he exercise any editorial control. He is also Chairman of the Future Fund. Which is something that Labor doesn’t seem to have a problem with.
Asked about Costello, Chalmers said: “I’ll have a conversation with him. I’ll see if he wants to go around again,” Dr Chalmers said.
Nothing about corrupt LNP media units!
hazza @ #1480 Thursday, September 28th, 2023 – 8:51 pm
Looks like it. Small target. Focus on the government.
Yes, I recall Giles.
He was one in a conga line of incompetent chief ministers and ministers in various NT governments. I thought they were making a case for the Territory to be put into administration.
Giles’ truly destructive contribution was to act as a cheerleader for Abbott’s wholesale destruction of Indigenous funding, policies and programs, the ill effects of which are still very, very much with us. (Always taking into consideration that any ill effects have nothing to do with colonization.)
Another lie promoted vociferously by the ‘No’ campaign exposed:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/report-calls-out-mistruths-on-40b-spend-on-indigenous-australians-20230928-p5e8fl.html
hazza @ #1484 Thursday, September 28th, 2023 – 8:21 pm
“Wait for the other side to absolutely fall apart by themselves, get a free win and act like you did something.”
Wonder if they’ll get a one seat majority out of it as well.
sprocket_ it raises the possibility that not all of the texts have been provided to the Smage, and that more might be revealed in future court hearings.
Starmer has some major advantages.
He has first past the post voting.
He will not have to face a crossbench intent on delay, obstruction, stunting and political blackmail.
He does not have an upper house that will block his legislative program.
The British Greens co-leaders seem to have failed to inspire.
Sunak seems to be making various structural problems worse.
Starmer will face an incredibly difficult task when he becomes prime minister.
Of course Boerwar is pro-FPTP
It’s hard to see Mr Pezzullo surviving as Secretary of Home Affairs, not least because one would expect him to lose his security clearance, given the the scale of the indiscretion and failings of judgement which his messages have demonstrated. Imagine the hold which hostile foreign governments or actors could have had over him had they, rather than the Nine network, come into possession of the messages.
Yes, Starmer must be thrilled that the UK has a voting system which has historically given his own party a big disadvantage.
”At news Corp there is a general understanding among the editors and journalists of the lines they should be taking. I don’t think Costello has come along and influenced that at Nine.”
The Sydney Morning Herald’s news reporting still seems to be fairly balanced. The takeover by Nine didn’t seem to significantly change that as far as I can tell. It’s editorial line tends more Centre-Right, but then it always did.
From this distance, the Age seems more biased, but mostly at State level. I can’t really comment on Nine TV, rarely watch its news and current affairs, but from what I hear it’s biased. But then commercial TV withdrew from serious news and current affairs before the turn of the century.
Meanwhile, that National and Daily Rupert operate as propaganda arms of the Liberal party when it counts.
Starmer may face difficulty if the Tories choose to weaponise the Lords, of which they have a large advantage.
Committees can hold up a lot, similar to what Chrétien and Harper faced in their first terms with the Canadian Senate.
The Lords can’t block bills, they are only able to delay them. The Lords has to be sensible too, if they delay too much they will get reformed out of existence. And the PM can just nominate more members anyway too.