It seems there is little to offer this week in the way of federal polling, my suggestion in the previous post that we might see a Resolve Strategic poll and Newspoll’s quarterly breakdowns probably being a week premature. We did get quarterly breakdowns, courtesy of the Age/Herald on Sunday, but from Resolve Strategic rather than Newspoll – which don’t tell us much we did not already know, as breakdowns by gender and for the three biggest states are included with the monthly results. They do, however, include fresh state results for Western Australia and South Australia and age cohort breakdowns.
Labor has been polling exceptionally well in Resolve Strategic over the period in question, which is reflected in the WA and SA results. In the former case, the primary votes are Labor 46%, Coalition 29%, Greens 12% and One Nation 3%, compared with election results of Labor 36.8%, Coalition 34.8%, Greens 12.5% and One Nation 4.0%, which was sufficient to gain Labor four seats in the state. In the latter, the primary votes from the poll are Labor 46%, Coalition 22%, Greens 14% and One Nation 6%, compared with Labor 34.5%, Coalition 35.5%, Greens 12.8% and One Nation 4.8% at the election.
The age breakdowns suggest the Coalition’s deterioration since the election has been concentrated among the young and old, with the middle-age cohort remaining relatively steady. Among those aged 18 to 34, Labor is up from 31% in the pre-election poll to 44% and the Coalition are down from 27% to 19%, with the Greens up one to 23%. Among those 55 and over, Labor is up from 33% to 42%, the Coalition is down from 46% to 37%, and the Greens are down from 5% to 4%. In between, Labor is up from 34% to 39%, the Coalition is down from 32% to 29%, and the Greens are down from 12% to 11%. The polls were conducted April 12 to 16, May 10 to 14 and June 6 to 11, with a combined national sample of 4587.
Holdenhillbilly says:
Friday, July 7, 2023 at 9:22 pm
Inflation rate
Venezuela: 429%
Lebanon: 260%
Argentina: 114%
Turkey: 38.2%
Egypt: 32.7%
Pakistan: 29.4%
Nigeria: 22.4%
Ukraine: 15.3%
Poland: 11.5%
Bangladesh: 9.7%
Sweden: 9.7%
UK: 8.7%
Austria: 8%
Australia: 7%
Norway: 6.7%
Ireland: 6.6%
Italy: 6.4%
Germany: 6.4%
South Africa: 6.3%
Mexico: 5.84%
Netherlands: 5.7%
Singapore: 5.1%
Israel: 4.6%
France: 4.5%
India: 4.25%
US: 4%
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98.6 says :
As your list shows, there will always be countries with higher and lower inflation rates than ours.
Over the years there have been countries with hyper inflation rates over 1,000 % but they are still there
living among everything that entails and they seem to survive to tell the story.
Currency must be virtually non existent and people buy, sell and swap goods and services by barter and trade as they did perhaps a hundred years ago.
At 7% inflation and falling, I can’t see the day we will have to carry a suitcase of cash to pay for our groceries at the Aldi checkout.
6 out now
Rennick should have been a dead man walking the first time he threatened to join One Nation. Turns out he was. He had nothing to offer the party except disloyalty.
Re Robodebt, as fascinated as people are by the Libs, there where a whole pile of bureaucrats who disgraced every principle of ethics and got promotions as a result, and everybody with a skerrick of ethics suffered for it. There still needs to be actual consequences, and spending a couple of days being embarrassed by a KC isn’t it.
And frankly its more than a little annoying that Albanese and Shorten didn’t have an announcement lined up that those people had been dejobbed.
Thanks Hillbilly for the inflation listing of a large number of countries. One country you missed listing was Iran…..I understand inflation is over the moon in the Islamic Republic of Iran….with the cost of food doubling in recent days making it harder every day for people to buy even basic necessities.
”Here, surely, is the most damning judgment on political and public service maladministration in Australian history.
Royal commissioner Catherine Holmes, SC, makes clear she has examined the soul of recent Coalition administrations and found that so far as compassion for citizens most in need, there was nothing there.”
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/robo-debt-commissioner-searches-for-compassion-finds-nothing-there-20230706-p5dm76.html
but how many times did kelley and cristinson threatin to quit and join another party morrison actualy used the knolidge that Craig kelley was certain to defect of he lost preselection as the excuse to re select him in 2018 and also he was backed by abott and 2gb
7 out
‘ Labor instead opted to negotiate with the Liberals first on every. single. issue.’
What a load of baloney.
Just for starters, this would have been a totally pointless move, because the Liberals dealt themselves out on negotiations before any legislation was even tabled.
But hey, you’re obviously having trouble rationalising the Greens’ response to the RC.
Not all the blame on the holding up of the HAFF bill is due to the Greens.
Every Senator has a vote, Labor, Liberal, Nat, Green etc.
The LNP are just as guilty as the Greens.
Labor could and should exploit this fact in media ads now and explain why this may trigger a double dissolution.
Canberran here and 2-cents on RoboDebt.
Yes it is shameful that neighbours and colleagues acted this way, but it is equally frustrating being in a work environment where such cruelty is not only politically sanctioned, but publically too (2013, 16, 19). I wish the media would acknowledge that throughout the ordeal, there was a clear public/political blood lust against RoboDebt victims, and I doubt it even was much of an electoral factor in 2022.
So what is an accountable APS post- all this? Can we now say no to a Minister? Not if you want a job? I hate it that this is leading towards an “I was only following orders” defence, but in our tyranny-of-the-majority, the solution may be a more strictly separate, unsackable APS in the pre-Hawke sense.
I bet Sir Humphrey would not have signed off on an illegal RoboDebt.
The Albo and Get Shorty show this morning was like poetry in motion in which each delivered their lines like clockwork.
You would swear that they had a practice run through.
I saw Shorty appear on TV interviews and heard him on radio all through the afternoon.
He will obviously take the reigns on the RoboDebt follow up over the next few weeks or months.
Can’t wait till the winter recess is over in Canberra.
Hairy Butler,
You don’t see any difference between the party that implemented Robodebt, and the party that set up a Royal Commission into it?
Sir Humphrey would have been replaced by some Liberal mate in 2013…
I saw the comments here about the Greens’ response to Robodebt and went looking for it wondering what had triggered that reaction.
That statement just focuses on what happens now to make sure that Robodebt never happens again and that lessons are learned from it – which is exactly what all the public recommendations of the Royal Commission concern themselves with it.
It’s predictable that Labor types are very enthusiastic about the chance to pursue their enemies for what they did (very deservingly), but the real test is whether they do anything to implement the recommendations of the Royal Commission and push systemic change. And that requires a change of heart from them towards welfare recipients, too – because none of the Royal Commission recommendations are the sort of thing this government has gotten too excited about previously.
Does Labor give a damn about welfare recipients when there’s not a direct attack-line against the Liberals involved? All the social welfare orgs that bore the brunt of the work in bringing down Robodebt will be waiting with bated breath.
clem attleesays:
Friday, July 7, 2023 at 5:17 pm
Something else not covered was the media’s complicity in Robodebt and how they refused to provide any oxygen to those criticizing it.
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Absolutely Clem!!
Just quietly why wasn’t the media’s role in this sad story not investigated?
DB yes I can see a difference between the Shit Party and Shit-Lite.
I need a jeweller’s loup to spot it.
DB Cooper: I don’t think Labor would have done Robodebt, and a bunch of Labor people did good in helping to bring it down – which was, of course, very much in their own interests too, given that it was a solely Liberal act of bastardry.
But outside of the direct anti-Robodebt campaign, there hasn’t been much daylight between Labor and Liberal on welfare issues in a long time, and it can’t be that surprising that some people are going to be cynical about their willingness to push the systemic change in the Royal Commission recommendations given they’ve not really been inclined to do much more than rename and fiddle around the edges with the rest of the bastardry.
I suppose it does give some hope that they also partially undid the horrific Gillard legacy on single parent payments (even if Albo and some other senior ministers were also in that ministry), but I guess we wait and see.
Hairy Butler,
I can tell who’s full of shit.
Some people on here would no doubt prefer the socialist worker’s paradise of venezuela 😆
Hey Zoomster, did you see the recent report on fracking tabled on the Senate which recommended an inquiry into the Beetaloo basin?
Labor joined the Coalition to vote against the inquiry. It’s just a carbon bomb which will poison the planet nbd.
Labor and Liberals vote together all. the. time.
(Warning – Cricket): the English tail is wagging. A couple of sixes and a few fours, Stokes on 40, shaving the deficit and moving towards a respectable innings total.
Henrysays:
Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:50 pm
Defending scomo history in time seriously.
The clown was all over it.
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Saw that Henry, something wrong there.
How could anyone ever defend Morrisons role in this?
Scott Morrison is surely the most contemptible person ever to hold high office in Australia.
I follow Mike Carlton on Twitter and he calls Rowan Dean the ‘talking pikelet’!
What happens next with Robodebt?
What we know:
People have been referred to four agencies, so at least four people have been referred. They’ve been referred for civil and criminal matters.
They’ve been referred to the AFP (that sounds criminal), the NACC (not good), the Law Society (whatever, have another cigar) and the public service commissioner (snore).
What I guess:
Morrison is looking at criminal charges. He was minister when it started, treasurer when it was in force and PM when it ended. He’s as exposed as a pair of truck nuts.
Porter is the obvious Law Soc referral although there could be others.
Campbell and possibly others will have to explain themselves to the PS commissioner.
The NACC can pick and choose. No need for specific referrals, just send them the HTML to the report.
A precis of Holmes’ findings about the principal villains of the Robodebt fiasco:
worked”.
Income averaging referred to a process, subsequently found to be unlawful, under which Centrelink used data from the Australian Taxation Office to estimate the income of recipients of social security payments. This was a key plank of the robo-debt scheme.
This automatic calculation created errors in some cases because it averaged out income into fortnightly periods, which may not have reflected the actual income received by recipients in that period. Centrelink then raised debts on the basis of that incorrect information.
2. Alan Tudge
The commission referred in detail to steps taken by Alan Tudge, who was human services minister between February 2016 to December 2017, to respond to criticisms of the robo-debt scheme in the media.
“Mr Tudge’s use of information about social security recipients in the media to distract from and discourage commentary about the scheme’s problems represented an abuse of that power,” the report said.
“It was all the more reprehensible in view of the power imbalance between the minister and the cohort of people upon whom it would reasonably be expected to have the most impact, many of whom were vulnerable and dependent on the department, and its minister, for their livelihood.”
Tudge responded: “I strongly reject the commission’s comments of the way I used the media and that I had abused my power in doing so. I reject that finding in the strongest terms. At no stage did I seek to engage in a media strategy that would discourage legitimate criticism of this scheme.”
He said the information released was “generally de-identified” and was released to “correct the public record”.
3. Christian Porter
The royal commission says Christian Porter, the social services minister between September 2015 and December 2017, “could not rationally have been satisfied of the legality” of the robo-debt scheme on the basis of his general knowledge of the policy process.
“Mr Porter could not rationally have been satisfied of the legality of the scheme on the basis of his general knowledge of the
process, when he did not have actual knowledge of the content of the
, and had no idea whether it had said anything about the practice of income averaging,” the report said.
“As minister for Social Services, Mr Porter should at least have directed his department to produce to him any legal advice it possessed in respect of the legislative basis of the Scheme.”
4. Stuart Robert
Stuart Robert was briefly responsible for robo-debt in mid to late 2019. The scheme was shut down in November 2019 after the Commonwealth settled a test case and agreed to orders declaring that key parts of the scheme were unlawful.
The royal commission said it “rejects Mr Robert’s claim to have acted to end the Robodebt Scheme quite as promptly as he professes” and former Department of Human Services secretary Renee Leon took the first steps to end the scheme.
“There is no reason to suppose, however, that had Ms Leon not taken the step she did, the government’s announcement of the cessation of the practice would have been far behind,” the report said.
Robert had defended making public comments supportive of the scheme when privately he had misgivings.
“It can be accepted that the principles of Cabinet solidarity required Mr Robert to publicly support Cabinet
decisions, whether he agreed with them or not,” the report said. “But Mr Robert was not expounding any legal position, and he was going well beyond supporting government policy.
“He was making statements of fact as to the accuracy of debts, citing statistics which he knew could not be right.”
5. Kathryn Campbell
Department of Human Services secretary Kathryn Campbell was criticised by the robo-debt royal commission for failing to act when confronted with information pointing to the unlawfulness of the debt recovery scheme.
“Ms Campbell had been responsible for a department that had established, implemented and maintained an unlawful program,” the report said. “When exposed to information that brought to light the illegality of income averaging, she did nothing of substance.
“When presented with opportunities to obtain advice on the lawfulness of that practice, she failed to act.”
Campbell served as secretary of the Department of Human Services from March 2011 to September 2017, which covered the period in which the automated debt assessment and recovery scheme was introduced.] – SMH blog.
With both Morrison & Tudge saying they reject the adverse findings made against them, it seems clear they will lodge an appeal. The salient question is: who will fund them? It wouldn’t want to be the taxpayer.
In any event, their reputations are in tatters, Holmes doing a forensic job of exposing their crassness. And although Saturday weeks’ byelection will unlikely result in a win for Labor, a reasonable swing will do the job of further damaging Dutton’s standing though I hope not too much as I’d prefer him to lead his motely crew to the next election.
So I’ve looked at the Greens statement on the report of the Royal Commission.
The word ‘Labor’ is used seven times. The words ‘Liberal,’ ‘National,’ or ‘Coalition’ zero times. Two Labor MPs are named. No Coalition MPs are named.
Most interestingly, the statement from Janet Rice and the Greens Party apparently quotes in paragraph 10, a recommendation from the report about increasing social security payments. But the quote doesn’t appear in any of the report recommendations. Instead, its a carefully manicured quote from the body of the report itself.
The only possible conclusion to draw from this is that Janet Rice and Greens Party are purely motivated by their own puerile political interests. They are clearly not interested in accountability or justice. Only whatever serves Brand Green.
England all out 237. Trail by just 26.
Morrisons extended self-serving bleating today says to me he has referred ……. it was his usual word salad bluster we are used to when he has been trapped…..
@3z political party plays politics OH NOSE!
I suggest you use those excellent counting skills to look at legislation introduced this term and work out how many times the Laboral party voted as a bloc.
Torchbearer:
Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:39 pm
Such as: “I don’t accept the premise of your question.” Pepsy.
Perhaps, Hairy Butler, you can furnish me with all the bills that the same same LaBoRAL party passed while sidelining our obvious moral superiors in the Greens.
Because all I can recall is the Greens voting with Peter Dutton, Michaelia Cash, Scott Morrison, Gerard Rennick, Alex Antic, Barmaby Joyce, Linda Reynolds, Alex Hawke, and the rest of them to block any and all Commonwealth investment in housing.
A NIMBY hiding behind a tree is still a NIMBY.
Hairy Butler, You and the Greens just got fully exposes by 3z as per below.
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3z
Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:30 pm
So I’ve looked at the Greens statement on the report of the Royal Commission.
The word ‘Labor’ is used seven times. The words ‘Liberal,’ ‘National,’ or ‘Coalition’ zero times. Two Labor MPs are named. No Coalition MPs are named.
Most interestingly, the statement from Janet Rice and the Greens Party apparently quotes in paragraph 10, a recommendation from the report about increasing social security payments. But the quote doesn’t appear in any of the report recommendations. Instead, its a carefully manicured quote from the body of the report itself.
The only possible conclusion to draw from this is that Janet Rice and Greens Party are purely motivated by their own puerile political interests. They are clearly not interested in accountability or justice. Only whatever serves Brand Green.
Most interestingly, the statement from Janet Rice and the Greens Party apparently quotes in paragraph 10, a recommendation from the report about increasing social security payments. But the quote doesn’t appear in any of the report recommendations. Instead, its a carefully manicured quote from the body of the report itself.
The only possible conclusion to draw from this is that Janet Rice and Greens Party are purely motivated by their own puerile political interests. They are clearly not interested in accountability or justice. Only whatever serves Brand Green.
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Your thoughts Hairy, Rex, WeAll WantPaul and so on?
So, the Greens best response is to minimise LNP and blame Labor.
Pathetic the lot of you!
Hairy Butler, You and the Greens just got fully exposes by 3z as per below.
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3z
Friday, July 7, 2023 at 11:30 pm
So I’ve looked at the Greens statement on the report of the Royal Commission.
The word ‘Labor’ is used seven times. The words ‘Liberal,’ ‘National,’ or ‘Coalition’ zero times. Two Labor MPs are named. No Coalition MPs are named.
Most interestingly, the statement from Janet Rice and the Greens Party apparently quotes in paragraph 10, a recommendation from the report about increasing social security payments. But the quote doesn’t appear in any of the report recommendations. Instead, its a carefully manicured quote from the body of the report itself.
The only possible conclusion to draw from this is that Janet Rice and Greens Party are purely motivated by their own puerile political interests. They are clearly not interested in accountability or justice. Only whatever serves Brand Green.
Most interestingly, the statement from Janet Rice and the Greens Party apparently quotes in paragraph 10, a recommendation from the report about increasing social security payments. But the quote doesn’t appear in any of the report recommendations. Instead, its a carefully manicured quote from the body of the report itself.
The only possible conclusion to draw from this is that Janet Rice and Greens Party are purely motivated by their own puerile political interests. They are clearly not interested in accountability or justice. Only whatever serves Brand Green.
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Your thoughts Hairy, Rex, WeAll WantPaul and so on?
So, the Greens best response is to minimise LNP and blame Labor.
Pathetic the lot of you!
The Deadloch finale was pretty good. I recommend the show and hope they get a season 2 assuming the Kates want to do one.
Looks like some pretty serious excuse making going on from the Green stooges here, but see guys – you need to get your story straight between whether the statement didn’t focus on attacking Labor at all or whether it did but that’s OK because don’t we know the major parties are all the same? Good stooges learn to sing the same song.
The “Labor Liberal all same” thing is one of the best lines the Coalition ever had incidentally, because if the alternative is no better, why turf them for their corrupt shit anyway and risk something even worse? They have been seeding that one since Howard in order to keep getting away with everything from Children Overboard to, well, Robodebt, and if you’re fool enough to push it from the left you are part of the problem. You have to be wilfully blind to say that there’s no differences. Wake up and smell the coffee.
So I’ve looked at the Greens statement on the report of the Royal Commission.
The word ‘Labor’ is used seven times. The words ‘Liberal,’ ‘National,’ or ‘Coalition’ zero times. Two Labor MPs are named. No Coalition MPs are named.
Labor should expect nothing else from the Little Liberals.
Potential for another volcanic eruption in Iceland, though where on/off the Reykjanes Peninsula isn’t clear:
“Seismicity in Reykjanes (magnitudes larger than 2) from noon to noon 6-7 July 2023. The symbols show locations of GPS and seismic stations of the Icelandic Met Office, and the outlines of the Fagradalsfjall 2021 and 2022 lava field is shown for scale.”
Earthquake activity in Fagradalsfjall area
https://en.vedur.is/about-imo/news/earthquake-activity-in-fagradalsfjall-area
The new frontline for conspiracy theorists: how Victorian councils were driven online to avoid chaos
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jul/08/the-new-frontline-for-conspiracy-theorists-how-victorian-councils-were-driven-online-to-avoid-chaos
Dingo traps, saddles and a 1934 silver birthday cake for Melbourne: the long-lost treasure found in a Queensland shed
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jul/08/dingo-traps-saddles-and-a-1934-silver-birthday-cake-for-melbourne-the-long-lost-treasure-found-in-a-queensland-shed
SMH blog, per Mavis:
“This automatic calculation created errors in some cases because it averaged out income into fortnightly periods …”
A mild understatement.
Robodebt “created errors in some cases” in the same way that atomic bombs “create damage in some cases”.
Hairy Butler @ #1116 Friday, July 7th, 2023 – 10:41 pm
It needs a good clean then. 😐
Or you’re confusing it with your horseshoe.
I can see now why the Liberals fought so hard to have hearings behind closed doors at the NACC. They’re going to deny they’re even being investigated.
Now, here’s an interesting question. If the media can’t attend the closed sessions, can they stake out the NACC and report on who is seen going in?
C@t,
Interesting question. I am obviously not qualified in this area, but without a suppression order of some sort, I would have thought that such reporting as above would be legit.
I would be interested to hear from some of our legal people about how reporting is legally being limited on the “high-profile” case in Toowoomba.
Can the Toowoomba local rag discuss in its gossip column who is having lunch at cafes near the courthouse, or is anything that may in anyway identify person(s) whose identity is suppressed by the court as bing in contempt.
Also, apologies for the loose language – I am sure none of the terms I have used are specific enough, or used correctly.
Douglas and Milko,
Re the Toowoomba case, I imagine that coffee shop meetings between counsel and client are off limits. shellbell will know. 😀
I hadn’t realised Morrison and co sicced private debt collection agencies onto Robodebt victims until reading Hartcher just now. I’m sickened. Not only did they reverse the onus of proof onto Centrelink recipients, abrogating themselves of any responsibility for the Robodebt calculations, they outsourced the follow up with people, in essence unleashing the hounds onto innocent people who’d done nothing more than simply claim a government benefit they were entitled to.
If the Commissioner’s recommendation that all future new policy proposals contain a paragraph as to legality gets implemented, this too will be something the LNP simply ignore when they are next in government. Or weasel word with “to the best of my knowledge at the time” flim flam.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/rotten-robo-debt-ruse-bestows-damning-epitaph-for-morrison-government-20230706-p5dmcd.html
Why should Morrison resign from Parliament.
He so rarely attends, it is as if the Electorate of Cook don’t have a representative, currently.
Parliament must be the only workplace where an employee can be paid an enormous salary package without any requirement to attend the said workplace.
I loved the spin regarding his latest Euro-land family holiday, that he was there during the parliamentary Winter recess.
It was a bit unfortunate that the Firenze photos were released during a parliamentary sitting week.
My son received a letter from the Debt Collectors about his so-called ‘Debt’ to Centrelink/the government. Those people frighten me. So we just paid up. And cut back on food for the week. Luckily it wasn’t for as much as some had to pay.