Resolve Strategic state and age breakdowns (open thread)

Polling breakdowns suggests federal Labor remains dominant in WA, and has gained most since the election at the younger and older end of the age scale.

It seems there is little to offer this week in the way of federal polling, my suggestion in the previous post that we might see a Resolve Strategic poll and Newspoll’s quarterly breakdowns probably being a week premature. We did get quarterly breakdowns, courtesy of the Age/Herald on Sunday, but from Resolve Strategic rather than Newspoll – which don’t tell us much we did not already know, as breakdowns by gender and for the three biggest states are included with the monthly results. They do, however, include fresh state results for Western Australia and South Australia and age cohort breakdowns.

Labor has been polling exceptionally well in Resolve Strategic over the period in question, which is reflected in the WA and SA results. In the former case, the primary votes are Labor 46%, Coalition 29%, Greens 12% and One Nation 3%, compared with election results of Labor 36.8%, Coalition 34.8%, Greens 12.5% and One Nation 4.0%, which was sufficient to gain Labor four seats in the state. In the latter, the primary votes from the poll are Labor 46%, Coalition 22%, Greens 14% and One Nation 6%, compared with Labor 34.5%, Coalition 35.5%, Greens 12.8% and One Nation 4.8% at the election.

The age breakdowns suggest the Coalition’s deterioration since the election has been concentrated among the young and old, with the middle-age cohort remaining relatively steady. Among those aged 18 to 34, Labor is up from 31% in the pre-election poll to 44% and the Coalition are down from 27% to 19%, with the Greens up one to 23%. Among those 55 and over, Labor is up from 33% to 42%, the Coalition is down from 46% to 37%, and the Greens are down from 5% to 4%. In between, Labor is up from 34% to 39%, the Coalition is down from 32% to 29%, and the Greens are down from 12% to 11%. The polls were conducted April 12 to 16, May 10 to 14 and June 6 to 11, with a combined national sample of 4587.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. [‘Labor has been polling exceptionally well in Resolve Strategic over the period in question, which is reflected in the WA and SA results. In the former case, the primary votes are Labor 46%, Coalition 29%…’]

    It appears that Dutton’s recent visit to WA & his purchase of new glasses, ostensibly to make him look less frightening, haven’t exactly convinced sandgropers to flock to his camp.

  2. Morning all. Mavis is correct about Dutton and the polls. Dutton has changed his image. Only the substance of his policies and attitudes is still repulsive to voters.

    If we are serious about conflicts of interest, this is a good idea. Coupled with Labor’s policy on greater public funding for politics it might help to start cleaning up Canberra.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jul/04/lobbyists-allegation-about-stuart-robert-referred-to-prime-ministers-department

    In fact I would go further than the big four firms being banned from political donations. All firms in line to receive large government contracts should be similarly banned. That should include defence and construction companies especially.

    In an era when ex politicians super is no longer a meal ticket for life, money is a real issue, but it has to stop coming from tainted sources.

  3. It’s intriguing that after almost a dozen rate rises and significant inflation that Labor’s polling appears so solid and that Dutton’s continues to be so weak. Dutton is making no headway at all, anywhere, despite the best possible conditions for a Liberal Opposition leader.

  4. You can’t put it better than Sean Kelly, when it comes to Peter Dutton:

    On Friday there was one of those odd echoes in public life that on first hearing may seem to mean little but in fact means very much.

    Two weeks ago, at a meeting of the Liberal Party’s Federal Council, a video was shown. Available online, it contains snippets of discussions with people who have met Peter Dutton: Syrian refugees; the parents of Daniel Morcombe, who was abducted and murdered in 2003; the father of a young veteran no longer with us. They all speak sincerely, with dignity. At times, the video is moving.

    It is, to my mind, a very effective political video. And it is political, so of course it has been edited to emphasise several key messages. Dutton is not fake, like other politicians. Instead, he is the real deal, who tells the truth. He is a very good listener; he has empathy and becomes emotional. He is not – and this is crucial – what you would expect if you had only watched him on the news. The video – which also includes Dutton and his wife Kirrily – is titled “The Peter Dutton We Know”.

    You can usually tell from political communications – an unsubtle art form – both what they are trying to say and the contrast that is being drawn. Usually the contrast is with the leader of the other major party: if their leader seems weak, ours is strong. As makes sense given the parlous position of the Liberal Party right now, there is no real attempt in the video to draw a contrast with Labor.

    Instead, it draws a contrast with two Liberal leaders. First, it distances Dutton from Scott Morrison, by stressing authenticity. Mostly though the video distances Dutton from Dutton, or at least his current public image – which of course derives from all the things he has publicly done in his various frontbench roles.

    Interestingly, the phrase used as the title – and returned to several times in the video – more or less recurred on Friday, when Dutton chose to defend former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian. In a few pithy phrases he dismissed the findings of the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption.

    He offered an excuse: “She chose a bum, basically.” Mostly, though, he told us what sort of a person she was. Berejiklian, he said, was “a wonderful person”. She was just “a very decent person”. And, most interestingly, this: “She’s not a corrupt person. That’s not the person that I know, and I think she should hold her head high.”

    “Not the person that I know.” He might as well have begun the next sentence with “The Gladys that I know …”

    The point is not that Dutton and Berejiklian are similar in any way. But the rhetorical strategy is interesting because in both the video and Dutton’s defence of Berejiklian the manoeuvre is the same: it seeks to place the personal impression of one or several people over what that particular person has done – and been observed doing – with their power.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-s-disturbing-defence-of-berejiklian-20230630-p5dkrp.html

    The Liberals have always tried to create personas for their leaders. But you can’t, on one day, put out a feel-good video about yourself, but then the next, come into parliament and direct your troops to commit verbal violence against a vulnerable woman via her proxies in the government who stood up for her! We see you, Peter Dutton. Better than you can see yourself with your new glasses.

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  6. Cronus @ #3 Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 – 6:40 am

    It’s intriguing that after almost a dozen rate rises and significant inflation that Labor’s polling appears so solid and that Dutton’s continues to be so weak. Dutton is making no headway at all, anywhere, despite the best possible conditions for a Liberal Opposition leader.

    Yes, the honeymoon continues for the government.

  7. “Among those 55 and over, Labor is up from 33% to 42%, the Coalition is down from 46% to 37% …”

    Now that’s a turnip for the books, as they say in the classics. 😉

  8. I guess I’m the only one with all 6 volumes of Manning Clark’s ‘A History of Australia’, in hardcover. I mean, you have to start at the beginning, if you want to talk books on Australian politics.

    I think they’re more a David Hunt (“Girt”, “True Girt”, “Girt Nation”) crowd.

  9. Pueo @ #10 Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 – 6:58 am

    I guess I’m the only one with all 6 volumes of Manning Clark’s ‘A History of Australia’, in hardcover. I mean, you have to start at the beginning, if you want to talk books on Australian politics.

    I think they’re more a David Hunt (“Girt”, “True Girt”, “Girt Nation”) crowd.

    But they keep referring back to the Rum Corp when they talk politics! 😆

  10. Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk is going to lose next year’s state election, if you believe the polls, that is. It would mean the mainland’s Labor-held state government wall would crack, not to mention spell the end of Palaszczuk’s eight-year reign. The AFR reports voters aren’t happy with her handling of the cost-of-living crisis, crime and health — the party’s primary vote dropped to 34%, compared with the Liberal-National vote of 40%. Support for the Greens was up two points to 11%, though. Amazingly, half of those polled said last month’s state budget — which delivered a record $12 billion surplus — would make no difference to their cost of living. Palaszczuk also made the news after Sir Bob Geldof said she was hypocritical for boasting about her green Olympics amid the state’s mining boom, the Daily Mail adds.

  11. Oliver Sutton @ #9 Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 – 6:58 am

    “Among those 55 and over, Labor is up from 33% to 42%, the Coalition is down from 46% to 37% …”

    Now that’s a turnip for the books, as they say in the classics. 😉

    Can I just observe that is the generation that now encompasses the former Punks, New Romantics and Nirvana generation. We were always Anti Authoritarian and embraced the broad diversity of society’s ‘misfits’. We’re still here and we, for the most part, haven’t become more conservative as we have aged.

  12. “Linda Burney is now seeking to ameliorate the damage she and the government helped inflict on the Yes campaign … says Simon Benson.”

    Simon says … Burney and Labor damaged their own campaign?

    Interesting slant from Bridget McKenzie’s squeeze.

  13. C@t: “Can I just observe that is the generation that now encompasses the former Punks, New Romantics and Nirvana generation.”

    I still have my ticket for The Ramones at the Roundhouse, 1977.

    Supported by Talking Heads and The Saints.

  14. Holdenhillbilly: “Annastacia Palaszczuk is going to lose next year’s state election, if you believe the polls”

    Yeah, yeah: we’ve been hearing that from the Courier-Mail year after year.

    The AFR this time, but the song remains the same.

  15. Wow! In that Resolve breakdown, among 18-34yo’s, the Coalition is now third behind Labor and the Greens:

    Labor 44
    Greens 23
    Coalition 19

    Who’d have thought that the generation who’s future on the planet the Coalition has done so much for so long to sacrifice for the enrichment of the old would reject them so comprehensively? What must frustrate that Coalition is how little reward they seem to be getting from that older generation in return. Transactional politics ain’t what it used to be, it seems. 🙂

  16. C@t: “We’re still here and we, for the most part, haven’t become more conservative as we have aged.”

    Here we are now, ascertain us …


  17. Enough Already says:
    Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 7:26 am

    Wow! In that Resolve breakdown, among 18-34yo’s, the Coalition is now third behind Labor and the Greens:

    Labor 44
    Greens 23
    Coalition 19

    The Green are willing to take up policy positions similar to the Coalition to fight Labor, would they ever be willing to form Government with them. Looks like a question they will face more often.

  18. The Green are willing to take up policy positions similar to the Coalition to fight Labor, would they ever be willing to form Government with them. Looks like a question they will face more often.
    ______
    Only if the Libs were to substantially lift their game.

  19. Enough Already: “What must frustrate that Coalition is how little reward they seem to be getting from that older generation in return.”

    Indeed, Resolve has the Coalition now down 9 points with the over-55s.

    Labor up by the same amount, and overtaking the Coalition in that demographic.

  20. BK, thanks again for the roundup. I didn’t have to read down far to get an actual feel-good:

    “Joko Widodo has joined Anthony Albanese to strongly deplore Russia’s war against Ukraine and, in a message aimed at China, declared support for a region “free from coercion” Andrew Tillett writes that in an unusually strongly worded communiqué from Jakarta’s perspective, the two leaders stressed respect for international rules and the “importance of diplomacy to avoid the risks of miscalculation”, amid growing anxiety over Beijing’s behaviour and the threat of conflict with the US.”

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/widodo-albanese-denounce-russia-warn-china-20230704-p5dljk

    This is what we need to be seeing geopolitically from where we sit in the world. The balance between opportunity and threat from China may swing from regime to regime (or from 5-year plan to 5-year plan, or from POTUS to POTUS), but the Indonesian Archipelago is where it is. I am extremely heartened to see clear evidence of a close alignment between us on Russia and China. More kudos to our Prime Minister Anthony Albanese! 🙂


  21. BK says:
    Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 7:34 am

    The Green are willing to take up policy positions similar to the Coalition to fight Labor, would they ever be willing to form Government with them. Looks like a question they will face more often.
    ______
    Only if the Libs were to substantially lift their game.

    The Libs as the minor party, on the way to Labor and the Greens being the two major parties. All the Greens have to do is start acting as a serious contender, instead of a rabble.

    What does the future look like with the Liberal reduced to a minor religions rabble? Perhaps the greens should start asking the question, the Liberals are well on the way to setting up their new role.

  22. Unless I’m mistaken, the federal electorate which had a 2022 election result closest to the Labor/Coalition/Greens split among 18-34 yo’s across the country in this Resolve age breakdown was Canberra (ACT):

    Labor 44.88
    Greens 24.69
    Liberal 21.77

    Coalition, welcome to your future – better embrace what plays well in Canberra! 🙂

    EDIT: to clarify, these results aren’t for 18-34 yo’s in Canberra in 2022, but the AEC result for all voters.

  23. On RN Breakfast, Katy Gallagher and Jane Hume sing from the same songbook on the question of donations from the Big Four consultancies: “Nothing to see here! Politicians don’t award contracts: public servants do.”

    Still tone deaf to the integrity message.

  24. So, ABC Just In runs a story this morning ‘Bhutan has long been called the happiest nation on earth. Here’s what life is really like in the tiny kingdom.’ It reports that a large number of educated young Bhutanese have come to Australia because of unemployment. It makes no mention of the thousands of Nepali-speaking Bhutani refugees who came to Australia for resettlement following the ‘One Nation, One People’ assimilation policy that sought to destroy their language and culture. Over a hundred thousand people were expelled from the country and most ended up in UN refugee camps in Nepal for decades before UN resettlement to third countries. ‘Happiest nation on earth’ my arse.

  25. “Israel’s motives for launching an attack in the West Bank on a scale not seen since the height of the second intifada, or Palestinian uprising, of the 2000s, are widely believed on both sides of the Green Line to be political as much as tactical. There has been growing pressure on the IDF from Israel’s right wing to launch a big operation as a response to the bloodiest year in Israel and the West Bank since 2005: 140 Palestinians and 26 Israelis have been killed so far in 2023.

    Israelis living in West Bank settlements, which are illegal under international law, have begun taking matters into their own hands, carrying out rampages in Palestinian villages in revenge for Palestinian shooting and stabbing attacks.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/04/israels-jenin-assault-displaces-thousands-as-violence-spirals-on

    Let me get this straight: Israelis have been killing Palestinians this year in a ratio of nearly 6:1 and they think this requires them to kill and displace more Palestinians in response? WTF? Are they homicidal maniacs? 😡

  26. Let me get this straight: Israelis have been killing Palestinians this year in a ratio of nearly 6:1 and they think this requires them to kill and displace more Palestinians in response? WTF? Are they homicidal maniacs?

    Bibi’s back. 😐

  27. C@tmomma @ Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:00 am:

    “Let me get this straight: Israelis have been killing Palestinians this year in a ratio of nearly 6:1 and they think this requires them to kill and displace more Palestinians in response? WTF? Are they homicidal maniacs?

    Bibi’s back. ”
    ===============

    C@tmomma, I still find it hard to believe he’s still around. Israelis must like what they see in him. 🙁

  28. BK @ Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:02 am:

    “Enough Already
    I am sure you would have been less than impressed with Spooner’s cartoon this morning.”
    ==============

    BK, indeed! An exercise in completely oblivious irony if ever there was.

  29. C@t: “I felt REALLY old the other day when I saw a grown-up Francis Bean Cobain on TV. ”

    A similar experience when I recently visited an aged care centre. The sound system was playing Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.

  30. C@

    Certainly had Manning’s at one stage (first edition!) due to a local library clean out, so I got them for free! I assume they’re still somewhere in the wilderness of books….
    —–

    A book was written (by a friend of a friend) about an issue I was tangently involved with, so I knew some of the inner workings.

    The friend was given a copy, so of course I read it, focussing on the bits I knew about, to find that these bits had been given a curious slant. In particular, the accounts given by another friend of mine didn’t exactly chime with reality, but the writer (at that time, a senior political writer for ‘The Age’) had obviously accepted his account.

    A few days later, I was at a function with this friend, and the group conversation turned to the book.

    One of his mates referred to the fact that sections of the book didn’t go the way he remembered.

    “Mate,” was the response. “You’re wrong. What happened is what the book says. That’s history, now.”

    He was right, of course. Any future history of those events will go to that book and treat it as gospel.

    (Which has always made me wonder why journalists seem to think that once a politician has left politics they have suddenly switched from someone portraying events to their best advantage to totally reliable source…)

  31. Enough Already @ #35 Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 – 8:03 am

    C@tmomma @ Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:00 am:

    “Let me get this straight: Israelis have been killing Palestinians this year in a ratio of nearly 6:1 and they think this requires them to kill and displace more Palestinians in response? WTF? Are they homicidal maniacs?

    Bibi’s back. ”
    ===============

    C@tmomma, I still find it hard to believe he’s still around. Israelis must like what they see in him. 🙁

    No, not particularly. However, he has crafted a Coalition government with the Settler Movement MPs and the Russian Jews who emigrated to Israel after a serious issue with Anti Semitism there (tell me where the ‘Nazis’ are again, Putin? 🙄 ).

    He only barely squeaked back into power after he promised the Ultra Orthodox that they wouldn’t have to be conscripted into the Army to do National Service, like every other Israeli. It was enough.

  32. C@tmomma @ Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:14 am:

    [me] C@tmomma, I still find it hard to believe he’s still around. Israelis must like what they see in him.
    ——-

    No, not particularly. However, he has crafted a Coalition government with the Settler Movement MPs and the Russian Jews who emigrated to Israel after a serious issue with Anti Semitism there (tell me where the ‘Nazis’ are again, Putin? ).

    He only barely squeaked back into power after he promised the Ultra Orthodox that they wouldn’t have to be conscripted into the Army to do National Service, like every other Israeli. It was enough.
    ===========

    C@t, thanks for that context: Bibi dividing and conquering a fragmented electorate to eke out one more turn in the Big Chair. I’m trying to recall Naftali Bennett’s approach from last year, to see which way Israel might develop once they decide for a third time Netanyahu is not suitable PM material. Palestinian lives, homes and livelihoods clearly depend on it a great deal.

  33. C@tmomma, I am personally aghast Israel is still having any sort of truck with Putin, considering Putin’s treatment of Jews in Russia … and his treatment of the Jewish President of Ukraine and his country. I hope they think bending to Moscow’s Iran-arming blackmail is worth the Ukrainian blood being spilled. 😡

  34. “ C@tmomma @ Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:00 am:

    “Let me get this straight: Israelis have been killing Palestinians this year in a ratio of nearly 6:1 and they think this requires them to kill and displace more Palestinians in response? WTF? Are they homicidal maniacs?

    Bibi’s back. ”
    ===============

    Can’t blame all of this on Bibi or his government. It has been an Israeli bi-partisan modus operandi for the last two decades. The previous – non Likud – Pm was actually worse than Bibi, if that was possible.

  35. I was always prepared to give Dutton some benefit of the doubt – that he wasn’t the evil psychopath portrayed by many on the left, but someone with an unfortunate physiognomy given a series of nasty jobs and that being leader would allow him more latitude.

    Whilst I still don’t regard him as an evil psychopath, I haven’t seen anything about him that makes me think he’s an attractive human being.

    As a friend once said, you can fake anything for short periods of time, and there’s a legion of people who are always surprised to find that X isn’t the nice person they thought they knew.

  36. C@tmomma @ #4 Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 – 6:43 am

    The Liberals have always tried to create personas for their leaders. But you can’t, on one day, put out a feel-good video about yourself, but then the next, come into parliament and direct your troops to commit verbal violence against a vulnerable woman via her proxies in the government who stood up for her! We see you, Peter Dutton. Better than you can see yourself with your new glasses.

    This not-the-person-I-know bullshit is bullshit. They don’t know he walked out on the apology, for which he has expressed regret, except he’s at it again with smashing the Yes vote any which way he can. That’s how he’s hard wired. This person they know – oh he’s nice to some people some of the time, when it’s of benefit, to him. Sorry. Selective empathy ain’t empathy, and it’s not for your gain, which is what this lip-sticking on pig crap is all about.

  37. Andrew_Earlwood @ #44 Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 – 8:34 am

    “ C@tmomma @ Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:00 am:

    “Let me get this straight: Israelis have been killing Palestinians this year in a ratio of nearly 6:1 and they think this requires them to kill and displace more Palestinians in response? WTF? Are they homicidal maniacs?

    Bibi’s back. ”
    ===============

    Can’t blame all of this on Bibi or his government. It has been an Israeli bi-partisan modus operandi for the last two decades. The previous – non Likud – Pm was actually worse than Bibi, if that was possible.

    It looks like Bibi is saying, ‘Hold my beer!’

    The Jenin Brigades are just a bunch of disaffected youth. They grew up in the Jenin Refugee Camp and can see the Settlers getting things they can never hope to get.

  38. The thing about the Dutton video and trying to present him as more affable in person, like all stories of this type will always remind me of the Mia Freedman piece about meeting Tony Abbott in person.

    Leading politicians almost invariably get where they are by being able to charm people in person. That’s how they get preselected, how they get donations and support, how they get the support of their colleagues to take on leadership roles. This is as true of the Abbotts and Duttons as of politicians you might think of as charmers. The latter are just more able or willing to translate that persona to broadcast media.

    The important thing to remember is that the “private” amiable persona is as much an invention as the public persona.

  39. July 3 (Reuters)

    – Meta Platforms (META.O) plans to launch a Twitter-rivalling microblogging app called Threads, days after Twitter boss Elon Musk attracted criticism by announcing a temporary cap on how many posts users can read on the social media site.

    Threads is expected to be released on Thursday and will allow users to retain followers from photo-sharing platform Instagram, and keep the same username, a listing on Apple’s (AAPL.O) App Store showed.

    The launch of Threads represents a credible threat to Twitter under Musk.

    “Threads is going to pose a huge threat to Twitter because it’s coming from the Meta and Instagram family of apps,” said Drew Benvie, CEO of social media consultancy Battenhall.

    “Instagram has 2 billion users compared to around 250 million of Twitter, so it’s about ten times bigger already. If only one-in-ten Instagram users tries using Threads, it will overtake Twitter in the blink of an eye.”

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-launch-twitter-like-app-threads-2023-07-04/

  40. Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney says she will task the Voice with generating fresh ideas in health, education, jobs and housing from day one
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    Sounds like Rudd’s 20/20 summit. Which went down like a lead balloon.
    Generating fresh ideas ? – you would think a party that was in opposition for 9 years would have had policies all set and ready to go.

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