I have nothing much to offer in the way of new material for an open thread post, for reasons I hope you’ll understand. My standby on such occasions is the regularly updated tracking poll of Anthony Albanese’s personal ratings from US pollster Morning Consult, which currently has him at 56% approval and 31% disapproval. This leaves his approval about where it was mid-year, with his disapproval having climbed a few points.
Dandy Murray 12.56
Nice post re Makarratta. Thanks
I may never read her book, but credit to Savva. “I was wrong, and I do apologise.”
(Thank you, Barney for posting.)
If you want a clear and concise explanation why the Voice is so needed, just look up Ed Husic’s answer at the NPC just now when he was asked about the gNats decision to say ‘No’ to the Voice from the Heart. Very eloquent. And absolutely damning of ALL those who oppose it, for whatever purely political, putrescent and puerile reason they choose.
Upnorth – Be Proud of your Pragmatism @ #501 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 2:17 pm
Do you think Rex Douglas cares? He’s obviously on some sort of income that doesn’t require him to work at a business and keep it afloat in order to put food on the table for his family, if he has one. All he cares about is coming here every day, without fail, to try and piss on the federal Labor Party from as great a height as possible.
Liberal MP Bridget Archer has signalled she’s ‘inclined’ to cross the floor to vote with the government on the Morrison censure motion tomorrow.
Holdenhillbilly @ #498 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 2:15 pm
I think we can safely say now, after this action by The Greens:
Greens-Coalition. Same-Same.
And that goes to The Greens support for the ‘No’ case wrt the Voice as well. Until they commit otherwise.
Upnorth – Be Proud of your Pragmatism @ #437 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 11:58 am
By all means let’s trot out all the old Cartel standbys …
1. We need to export fossil fuels to help poorer countries => Rubbish. We are harming them further by doing so.
2. Australian coal is the best in the world => Debunked. We cheated on the tests and bribed the buyers to keep quiet about it.
3. Coal is needed to make the steel to make the wind turbines => Both wrong and irrelevant. We are talking about thermal coal, not metallurgical coal.
4. Australia can be a Renewable Energy Superpower => In your wet dreams. We can’t even generate enough renewable power for ourselves. What idiot would propose we export renewable energy to places where power is already cheaper than here, while we continue to burn fossil fuels and pay through the nose for the privilege?
5. Limiting warming to 1.5 degrees is still achievable. => I do believe in fairies. I do. I do.
Did I miss any? If I did, I am sure you will be only too happy trot them out for us.
Can anyone link me to the actual Greens policy in regard to the Voice to Parliament?
Apologies if this has been done before and I missed it, but please do it again if that is the case.
Pi @ #487 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 2:00 pm
Has WWP come back with his usual subterfuge? You know the one, where he puts his angry pants on and says he’s a member of the ALP actually, so don’t you dare call him a Green!
Lol, WWP. You may be a member of the ALP but there is not one policy of the ALP that I can think of that you support, unless The Greens support it as well. You’re a green tomato. Red on the outside, green at its core.
TPOF @ #509 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 2:32 pm
They don’t have one because this is what they have instead:
https://greens.org.au/platform/first-nations#treaty
https://greens.org.au/platform/first-nations
looks like 1p has decided Ukrainians should freeze this winter…
greens have decided to wreck the Voice along with the gNats 😡
TPOF
Which Greens policy would you like?
davo says:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:36 pm
looks like 1p has decided Ukrainians should freeze this winter…
中华人民共和国
Yes cobber. Quite sad really. But there is no use trying argue with facts.
davo @ #511 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 2:36 pm
You can be smug like that from your First World Eco Resort.
ABC News. WA Nats Break Ranks. Good on em.
“Western Australia has become the first state Nationals branch to criticise its federal counterpart’s decision to not support the Voice to Parliament referendum.”
Bravo! WA!
Barney in Cherating @ #499 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 2:17 pm
The complexity is that the Statement from the Heart says no such thing. What you may be confusing it with is the Yarrabah Affirmation, which came much later. The Statement from the Heart calls for both a Voice and a Makarrata Commission (generally interpreted to mean Treaty and Truth). The contemporary dialogues and the final report to Parliament called for Voice with specific constitutional responsibilities, and also a Declaration of Recognition (which seems to have been lost in the shuffle).
Gradually, the original Statement from the Heart has been watered down to be little more than a tokenistic Voice with no detail and no function. Except to make some Australians feel good, I guess.
More than 33,000 COVID fines to be cancelled:
The fines will be withdrawn by Revenue NSW after the state government conceded in a NSW Supreme Court test case that two fines were invalid.
Josh Butler
Andrew Gee has become the first federal Nationals MP to break ranks with his colleagues and say he will back the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, going against the partyroom’s decision yesterday to oppose First Nations constitutional recognition.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2022/nov/29/australian-politics-live-albanese-dutton-labor-coalition-scott-morrison-climate-economy-energy-housing-weather-nsw-qld-vic
Will the NSW Nats follow their Federal Counterparts? What about the LNP QLD? Will Chrisafulli stand up to the National Party and endorse The Voice?
It seems it’s not just the troll doing comedy today.
The Guardian blog
One thing can be said with certainty with regard to Labor is that they’ve been united, unambiguous and unwavering in their support for The Voice from day 1. It seems they’re the only political party that Indigenous Australians can rely on.
Rex Douglas says:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:50 pm
Josh Butler
Andrew Gee has become the first federal Nationals MP to break ranks with his colleagues and say he will back the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, going against the partyroom’s decision yesterday to oppose First Nations constitutional recognition.
中华人民共和国
Will Dutton show some ticker?
Haven’t the WA Nationals broken with their federal counterparts on other issues before.
It looks like the Nationals position on the Voice is really the Queensland position (plus Barnaby).
The Nats are just crumbling aren’t they? Noel Pearson’s comments about Littleproud were piercing but we’ll judged. The Nats are looking quite the rabble.
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nathsays:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:10 am
Barney in Cherating says:
Anyone who thinks all the Greens parliamentarians support the Voice is just as idiotic.
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Of course all the Greens support the voice. Not one of them has said they will be opposing it.
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Disingenuous nath.
You know that all Greens don’t support Voice in the order mentioned in “the Statement from the Heart”.
Ofcourse you will then say that you didn’t mention any order regarding support.
C@tmomma @ #515 Tuesday, November 29th, 2022 – 2:39 pm
That really burns you, doesn’t it?
We have carbon credits to spare, so Burn, baby, Burn.
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Cronussays:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:11 am
“ The NSW Liberal’s most senior female MP has failed to win preselection for a lower house seat, in a blow to boosting the party’s attempts to increase female representation.”
As demanded by the Murdochracy and Sky News, the Liberals have at least returned to their principles. Long may they continue to listen to that cabal of Neanderthals.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-29/nsw-natalie-ward-fails-to-win-preselection/101709250
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Cronus
And Dominic Perrottet said Natalie Ward was a “future leader” of the Liberal Party.
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nathsays:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:19 am
On the other hand it was the Labor party who voted to disenfranchise Indigenous Australians back in 1903. The Greens have no such history.
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Petulant nath?
But Greens, who claim to be environmentalists, has a history of voting against Climate change policy in 2009.
Ven
“ And Dominic Perrottet said Natalie Ward was a “future leader” of the Liberal Party.”
In which case it’s no wonder she wasn’t selected, it now makes perfect sense.
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WeWantPaulsays:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:19 am
“Of course all the Greens support the voice. Not one of them has said they will be opposing it.”
There is something about wanting more or better than x that brings out the inner moron in a surprisingly large number of posters.
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Want to do something big, Start small.
south, earlier, re the podcast on Mr Musk’s business acumen
https://openargs.com/oa645-we-badly-underestimated-just-how-terrible-elon-musk-is-at-business/
Thanks for the link. The fun those two guys are having at Mr Musk’s expense is entertaining, and they neatly package Twitter’s financial situation if anyone is interested in that side of him.
Regarding Mr Musk’s acumen, I’ve noticed he’s now attacking his advertisers for not advertising. “Elon Musk @elonmusk · 10h · Apple has mostly stopped advertising on Twitter. Do they hate free speech in America?” It’s like labelling voters dumb for not voting for you.
Poor Gladys ABC Breaking
“ Former NSW MP Daryl Maguire has been charged over an alleged “visa and migration fraud” by the Australian Border Force (ABF).”
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Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:35 am
Whack! Noel Pearson on Jacinta Price:
“ It involves right-wing people, particularly the Sydney and Melbourne-based right-wing think tanks – the Institute of Public Affairs and the Centre for Independent Studies – they’re the string pullers. They’re the ones who have lined up behind Jacinta. This has been a campaign in the making over the last three years, and their strategy was to find a blackfella to punch down on other blackfellas.
The bullets are fashioned by the CIS and the IPA but…it’s a black hand pulling the trigger.
I sincerely believe this is a tragic situation. A tragic celebrity vortex that will make something of a political career for Jacinta but will produce no solutions for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australia.”
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Baam!
Pearson on the duplicity of the Nats and lack of leadership (and I’d add in basic integrity) of their ‘leader’:
“ I’ve spoken to almost every Nationals senator and MP over recent years. And of all the political parties, the Nationals were the most supportive of the idea of the Voice.
This leader, supposed leader Littleproud… he’s like a kindergarten kid, not a leader. The Nationals have hoisted the mantle of leadership on a boy who’s incapable of [the] leadership that’s necessary for the country.”
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Baam Thorpe!
Baam nath and Rex
Baam P1.
Baam Baam Baam!
Late Riser,
I’ve found that to be a really good podcast to listen to when gardening. It cover a lot of the Supreme court drama in the states very very well. It’s a lot more level headed than a lot of other political podcasts I listen too.
Looking around for a 2023 calendar I chanced upon this rather partisan one 🙂 Perhaps
we should have an Antipodean version.
LOL Bowen just labeled the LNP wanting to talk about gas supply as “a gasbag led recovery”.
BREAKING: Twitter has begun reinstating 62,000 accounts that were permanently suspended.
Check Linda Burney’s moving response to a question on The Voice.
reported by The Guardian website
Got a round of applause.
Holden Hillbilly
“BREAKING: Twitter has begun reinstating 62,000 accounts that were permanently suspended.”
That is probably it for me. I can always block Trump. But it is the thousands of Trump worshipping loons he will activate that will make it not worthwhile remaining on Twitter.
If the Federal Liberal Party had any balls at all, it would vote with Albanese on the Morrison censure.
Morrison’s excuse was feeble. It was the action of a self centred second rate Prime Minister who thought he was a superior politician.
Can you imagine Whitlam or Fraser or Keating or Hawke or Howard and those that followed- with the likely exception of Rudd and Turnbull- even contemplating such an ego driven decision.
Liberals, now is your chance to do what millions of Australians would do.
“BREAKING: Twitter has just signed its own advertising death warrant.”
musk is a genius… And he’s got tons and tons of girlfriends… 😆
Late Risersays:
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAQuZBF15
Another angle on Musk’s business acumen.
It is very common to underestimate his achievements.
Latest Essential.
https://essentialmedia.cmail20.com/t/r-l-tjiljttl-ovikluiru-r/
I feel bad for them after learning of his nighttime firearm situation. Reminds of Pistorius. Every late-night quarrel with that thin-skinned egotist could be their last.
“This video isn’t available anymore” must have disappeared up musk’s own fundament 😯
For the disingenuous troll.
https://ulurustatement.org/the-statement/view-the-statement/
Looks like PB has its own version of a “kindergarten child”