I was hoping Newspoll might be back in the game three weeks after election day, but it seems normal service is yet to resume. Presumably Essential Research will have numbers of some sort tomorrow, but it remains to be seen if they will encompass voting intention. I hope to have more to offer shortly on whether other pollsters are still in the game in the immediate term, or whether they have pulled stumps for the time being. That just leaves me with the following miscellany to relate by way of a new open thread post:
• Joe Spagnolo of the Sunday Times reported yesterday on a plan within the Western Australian Liberals to have former test cricketer and national team coach Justin Langer lead the party into the next state election in 2025. The suggestion is that the current leader, David Honey, might be persuaded to relinquish his seat of Cottesloe, one of only two lower house seats the party retained at the 2021 election. It is an any case “widely accepted that Dr Honey won’t lead the WA Liberals to the next election”, with Vasse MP Libby Mettams “his likely replacement” – indeed his only possible replacement out of the existing ranks of the Liberals’ lower house contingent.
• Katina Curtis and Shane Wright of the Sydney Morning Herald have taken the trouble to compile the results of the 75,368 telephone votes cast by those in COVID-19 isolation, finding that Labor, Greens or independents candidates out-performed on them on two-candidate preferred relative to the overall results in all but eight lower house seats. Kevin Bonham is quoted in the article noting that infections are more prevalent of left-leaning demographics, namely the young and those employed in exposed occupations, though I also tend to think there may be a greater tendency for those on the right of politics to keep their illnesses to themselves.
• One bit of poll news at least: the latest quarterly Tasmanian state poll from EMRS has been published, the first since Jeremy Rockliff succeeded Peter Gutwein as Premier. It finds the Liberals down two points since March to 39%, Labor down one to 30%, the Greens up one to 13% and others up two to 18%. Rockliff leads Labor’s Rebecca White 47-34 as preferred premier, compared with Gutwein’s lead of 52-33 in March. The poll was conducted May 27 to June 2 through telephone interviews from a sample of 1000.
• Lydia Lynch of The Australian reports that Julie-Ann Campbell, Queensland Labor’s outgoing state secretary and now associate partner with consultancy firm EY, is “expected to run for federal politics” – specifically for the seat of Moreton, which Graham Perrett has held for Labor since 2007.
There’s a fair bit going on at the site at the moment, so here’s a quick run-through the subjects of recent posts with on-topic discussion threads, as opposed to the open thread on this post:
• The future direction of the Liberal Party, with debate raging as to whether it should focus on recovering blue-ribbon seats from the teal independents or cutting them loose and pursuing a new course through suburban and regional seats traditionally held by Labor;
• The three state by-elections looming in the Queensland seat of Callide, the South Australian seat of Bragg and the Western Australian seat of North West Central;
• The ongoing count from the federal election, which remains of interest in relation to several Senate contests, with the pressing of the button looking reasonably imminent in South Australia and the two territories.
Barney in Tanjung Bunga @ #637 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 7:18 pm
What was bizarre is that it was expressly addressed to subscribers, but not behind the paywall. The deliberateness of directing it to subscribers only is so consciously being unaccountable to and uncaring about those offended unless they have paid as to be classified as something I’d rather not put in print. And yes, that confirms your point.
“Good governments make prudent choices with the public’s money. Look at Covid – the biggest waste was quarantine centres.
Did we really need to build quarantine centres? That failure is shared by both parties – because no one wanted to say quarantine centres weren’t needed.
I’d say desal plants are in the same category. I doubt either party would oppose them.
Good governments can also explain complex problems in simple terms – Paul Keating being the best example.”
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Usually you self satisfy with just being a troll with a deliberate intention to irritate. which is avctualy a shame, given that when you lay down your Sealioning MO for moment you are capable of being a valuable contributor to discussion on this blog.
However, with this one post, you really have hit peak stupid haven’t you?
So what if we dodged a bullet that SARS 2.0 could be – sort of, thus far – dealt with without dedicated quarantine facilities. You take THAT as a vindication that we obviously don’t need them going forward. In truth, it was a warning. Like every redundancy – we dont need that system … until we do and at that point in time it’s too late to acquire the system.
Ditto Desalination plants.
Ditto having a strategic fuel reserve.
Ditto having an effective and capable submarine fleet as part bof a comprehensive A2/AD network.
Ditto having Sovereign supply chains sorted out in advance of the present situation.
Just like having seat belts and air bags installed into cars.
According to your logic just being “lucky” is a good substitute for proper risk management.
kezza2 says:
Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:32 pm
imacca @ #635 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 7:17 pm
So, what have we learned today?
That Nath hasn’t learned the difference between “had of” and “had have”?
“Should’ve” is not an abbreviation of ” should of”; it is in fact an abbreviation of “should have”
I suspect Nath is born after 1956. And grammar’s not a strong point.
Apart from those shortcomings, he’s an idiot.
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Have a nice night.
Re Socrates at 4 pm (incl. poroti earlier) and Sir Henry Parkes at 4.18 pm
On the day the local Mr Zed was formally put in the dustbin of history, it is useful to note phonetically that in Russian and Ukrainian the letter “z” is pronounced “zee” not “zed”.
In line with Russian propaganda (the only point on which it is accurate) team Z (“zed”) really = Putin and his hangers on.
While it is impossible to gauge the opinion of Russian speakers in eastern and southern Ukraine, most civilians killed there by Putin’s bombs have been Russian speakers. Whatever their opinions may have been about allegiances toward Russia and Ukraine circa 2014, now most of them will want much less association with Russia than previously, for obvious reasons, including the fact that critical medical supplies are now a “deficit” good (i.e. hard to acquire) in Kherson, which was not the case in January.
One sad consequence of the tragic and avoidable war, when it finally ends, will be that the status of the Russian language in eastern and southern Ukraine will be in a historic decline. It was something that Zelenskiy spoke about wistfully in his interview in late March with real Russian journalists, as distinct from propaganda recyclers.
English translation of that interview, done when negotiations seemed to be occurring, is at:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/28/it-s-not-just-a-war-it-s-much-worse
For the Russian language see the 8th last question.
Regarding Suzie Holt, her website says the following.
The words cut off at that point. She wears teal and from what little I read of “teal candidates” during the campaign, she seems to fit the description.
Power generators are exploiting the chaotic energy market by withdrawing power supply from the electricity grid, forcing the energy market operator to direct them to fire their plants back up and triggering profitable compensation payments.
There’s no law stopping power companies from withdrawing their electricity generation from the market, and in the past two days, they have reduced the volume available by 2 gigawatts in Victoria, 3 gigawatts in NSW and 1.5 gigawatts in Queensland.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/power-companies-accused-of-unconscionable-conduct-as-they-withdraw-from-grid-20220614-p5ath9.html
A new variation on Nationalisation might be in order ? One that doesn’t look like nationalisation.
This man’s words, Senator Raphael Warnock, are pure poetry:
https://youtu.be/809GveYxo2I
“Only those who have no vision, engage in division.”
Itza:
Good letter. I wonder if you’ll get a reply.
Thanks for the response Socrates.
Just one further point: as I understand it, Collins snorkel doesnt penetrate the surface like a standard periscope mast, or other mast does (or even other snorkel variants). It effectively just kisses the surface. Giving it a very low discretion factor. I can’t remember where I read this, but I think (again from my imperfect memory) it is discussed on this video overview of the class:
https://youtu.be/GLuf_SdU3t8
Edited: nope – he doesnt go into this aspect in detail.
Boerwar @ #647 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 7:44 pm
Trans Excluding Radical Feminist
Jobkeeper was probably the most wasteful thing we have seen for a very long thing, would have be the most extreme example of corporate welfare ever.
Investing in facilities and other infrastructure can at least be a assets that can be used when they are needed.
But we all know the LNP creed is to do nothing until you absolutely have to, unfortunately it is usually too little too late. Our energy systems is a perfect example of that.
They got rid of the carbon tax, so instead 10 years later we got a Carbon tax far worse and more extreme than we ever needed.
Boerwar @ #646 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 7:43 pm
They casually throw around epithets that they know are not true.
I mean, remind me who in The Greens’ leadership team is LGBTQ or I? Then remind me who the Foreign Minister in the Labor government is.
[‘The Remuneration Tribunal has awarded Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton and all MPs their largest pay rise in the last decade.
From 1 July, they will enjoy a 2.75 per cent pay hike, meaning Albanese’s salary will rise to more than $564,000 and MPs will earn $217,060 plus their allowances.
Dutton, as opposition leader, will earn around $401,000. Greens leader Adam Bandt will earn $314,737 as the leader of a minority party with more than ten representatives in parliament.
It is the biggest increase the tribunal has awarded since 2012, when it awarded 3 per cent. Since 2014, it granted 2 per cent pay rises from 2016 to 2019 and none for the other years.
The tribunal’s ruling comes ahead of Wednesday’s decision by the independent Fair Work Commission about whether or not to lift the minimum wage, which is currently $20.33 per hour. That will be handed down at 10am.’]
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-politicians-awarded-2-75-per-cent-pay-rise-20220614-p5atpj.html
My only comment about the Rebel Wilson imbroglio is that Bevan Shields and Andrew Hornery are only making things worse with their continued highlighting of the issue front and centre of the masthead. I think that is extremely cynical of Shields. Also, I believe it has been done with one eye on the fact that Rebel Wilson isn’t afraid to sue for Defamation.
You have to weigh risk for probability and seriousness of the risk should it arise.
Covid or a future pandemic for example has a low probability but is very serious should it occur.
Then what mitigation or plan should you put in place to mitigate that risk.
So for example (on AE’s favourite topic) we could spend billions on defence and foreign policy to mitigate against the risk of military conflict against China OR we could mitigate by adopting a neutralist foreign policy. What’s the right choice – we elect a national government to make that choice on our behalf. It seems pretty clear both major parties will go the defence route.
So for mitigating a pandemic you could spend billions on quarantine centres OR you could spend on a series of much lower cost mitigation measures.
The problem with mitigations is the choices are heavily influenced by politics and aren’t always the most rational solution. Polarisation of politics means bipartisanship on these sort of issues is more and more unlikely.
The wholesale energy price in Vic and NSW at the moment is 0. In NSW it is 300. It looks as if NSW cap has also been reduced.
“So for example (on AE’s favourite topic) we could spend billions on defence and foreign policy to mitigate against the risk of military conflict against China OR we could mitigate by adopting a neutralist foreign policy”
This is a completely false binary.
We need to mitigate the risk posed by an assertive China (or any of the other rising powers in our region) by a multifaceted approach: good defence policy, sound foreign policy (emphasising both good bilateral relations and strong and proactive multilateral institutions), excellent diplomacy and having strong, yet varied alliances.
Again, to dumb it down for L’arse: one doesn’t just ,mitigate the risk of having a car accident – and its potential consequences – by choosing between having good tyres, suspension and braking systems on the one hand, and seat belts and air bags on the other. The correct answer is “all of the above” (plus other stuff external to the car – like good roads, appropriate speed limits, a proper licensing system, bans on drink driving, effective policing and so on). As I said. Multifaceted.
I’ve been watching Sky after dark a bit lately to see what the dark side up to and was quite disturbed by what I heard this evening. Bolt had Mat Canavan on and he was talking about the number of new coal fired power stations other countries are building while we are closing ours down. For example:
China – 172
Indonesia – 56
India – 47
Vietnam – 11
Bangladesh – 11
Japan – 8
He also said that we are supplying a lot of these countries with the coal to run them.
If all that is true – and with Canavan you really do wonder at times – why are we rushing to close ours down when we are clearly not in a position to maintain adequate supplies of power yet from renewables? There are shortages right across the eastern states at present during one of the coldest winters on record.
I’m a Labor supporter through and through – always have been – but I can’t help wondering if the government is at risk of losing support big time if it is not prepared to compromise a bit on its path towards a coal free future.
Received via email this evening:
Dear Mavis,
Given the attention on the Herald over the past few days, I wanted to get in touch directly with subscribers.
As you may know, the Herald, Private Sydney gossip columnist Andrew Hornery and myself have been strongly criticised over the weekend about our coverage of actor Rebel Wilson and her new partner, Ramona Agruma.
I have always tried to be upfront and transparent with you as subscribers, so here’s the background on what’s happened, and an apology for getting it wrong. I have offered the same information to staff at the Herald and it’s only right you hear it, too.
Andrew, who has been writing for more than three decades, approached me last week to say he had been told Wilson was in a new relationship with Agruma and that he wanted to approach her for comment.
A celebrity romance is a regular staple of gossip columns. I agreed approaching her for comment was an appropriate thing to do given Agruma had featured prominently with Wilson on Instagram, and given Wilson had recently revealed she was in a new relationship and happy.
I had made no decision to publish anything and expected to make a call on Friday about what to do next based on whether Andrew heard from Wilson. I want to be really clear about an important point: if she had not responded, I would not have published.
I am acutely aware of the dark stain on the Herald’s history via the publication of the names, addresses and occupations of dozens of people who marched in the 1978 Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras. In 2016, our editor-in-chief at the time, Darren Goodsir, apologised for that wrong.
In the end, we didn’t publish a story revealing Wilson’s new relationship because she made the announcement on Instagram.
However, mistakes were made in our approach to Wilson and I apologise for them. As Andrew explained yesterday, the inclusion of a two-day deadline was an error as it appeared to be an ultimatum or attempt to pressure Wilson to make an announcement herself or through the Herald.
Another error was a piece Andrew wrote for Saturday’s paper and online edition in which he expressed annoyance that Wilson had decided to make the announcement herself on Instagram. Andrew acknowledges the tone of Saturday’s piece was not appropriate, and I asked for it to be removed from online. I appreciate Andrew being upfront about this. The Saturday piece should not have been published and that is ultimately on me as editor. For that, I apologise to Wilson and anyone offended by it.
On Sunday, I wrote a small note defending our approach to Wilson, confirming that we had made no decision to publish anything, and explaining that the Private Sydney column is often about Andrew’s interaction with his subjects. People make mistakes and my intention with this Sunday note was to provide clarity about exactly what happened and why Andrew approached Wilson. As editor I was conscious of supporting staff but I should have also acknowledged our mistakes, which is what I’m doing today.
The Herald is an inclusive masthead and ally of LGBTIQ+ readers and Australians. It’s one of the many reasons I’m proud to work here. This episode was far from ideal, and while there was no malice involved, I recognise our mistakes and apologise for them. We value the support and feedback of our subscribers and have learnt from this.
Bevan Shields’]
LVT the next time the NAVY has to evacuate people by boat there will be some were to put them.
Funy how sky after dark and 2gb highlight China as great on energy as there builiding new coal mines but when richard marlesa has a meeting with there minister he is ahe should be sacked the liberals built no new coal mines acsept for adarnie which only provides coal foor indea not us
Is Bevan Shields embattled yet?
Bystander
We are not rushing to close down any coal powered stations, no-one wants to build new ones and for very obvious reasons, the ones we have are past or are passing their use by date.
The reason why this reality has not been faced is because of the very bullshit that Canavan is peddling.
well at least the herald is geting publisity how ever its jernalist are no where as good as the age acsept for harcher there have no real investigative jernalist any moor
Confessions @ #658 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 7:57 pm
Nah; but I was just triggered enough that I had to put my oar in. Did you get to the Picasso?
the problim the anti adarnie crowd had is in stead of attacking the mine should of highlighted that none of the coal would be produced foor australia it will all go to indea unfortunatily shorten did not explain that point how ever looks like it is not going a head canivan and co are the reason whiy we have not invested properly in renewables and these black outs are caused by coal minesblack outs
Of course you can do multiple mitigations or multi-faceted as you call it – but in the real world you have to make choices about what is nice to have and what is essential. You dont have an unlimited budget.
Secondly some mitigations make other mitigations irrelevant – basically policy choices.
So Australia could spend 4% of GDP on defence, 1% on foreign aid, open embassies and consulates everywhere. Spend capex on submarines, destroyers and missile development too. In the real world you have to make choices in a budget.
All of those above costs could also be substantially reduced with a neutral foreign policy.
You might also want to fund your promises for NDIS, aged care and child care too.
Pi:
Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:23 pm
[‘Is Bevan Shields embattled yet?’]
If not, he should be – probably gauged by how many cancel
their subscription.
I find the contrast with some other media outlets interesting. On the one hand you have fairly immediate apologies and retractions from one, over a one-off issue, due to concerns that the paper’s credibility is being damaged. On the other hand you have years of systematically biased and dishonest political reporting and “analysis” from a whole raft of Murdoch-aligned outlets, with nary a concern about their perceived credibility to be seen. Let alone an actual apology or retraction.
I know which thing bothers me more. And it’s not the one that’s getting all the attention right now.
Canivan whoe family works in coal spent all his chieldhood in brisbaine and only moved to the bush when he got a job working foor joice tried to get a job with abbott but was rejected how ever his public image is a country person against the inna city who do not understand the reajons at least most nats mps actualy ggrow up in the reajons origen ceo aattacking labor over lack of coal yet he just closed down there biggest coal power station just before election
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zoomstersays:
Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:35 pm
Trouble in the Victorian Greens….
https://twitter.com/BaxterTim/status/1536264814783512576
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The Deputy Mayor accussest Linda Gale of Transphobia.
A office holder with Transphobic views in Greens party? What has world come to? Bandt has questions to answer and take prompt action if the allegations are true.
And Rex,nath support people like this. (Shaking my head emoji)
Bystander
If you want to see what is happening with coal fired power stations
https://globalenergymonitor.org/projects/global-coal-plant-tracker/tracker/
There is no shortage of stations under construction for sure.
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a r @ #677 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 8:30 pm
I get that too. It just makes me uneasy to see Fairfax9,it seems to me anyway, cynically milking the issue for more clicks. A simple, once-off apology, in a sombre tone, would have sufficed for mine. But that’s just my humble opinion.
Rex Douglassays:
Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 5:28 pm
In the meantime we can remind ourselves not to entrust Govt to the L/NP every time an energy bill arrives.
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Not me. My next energy bills will be sent straight to my Labor MP telling her to pull her finger out.
Cost of living was meant to get better under Labor not worse.
A E at 2.15 re ‘Defence of Australia’ and submarines…
I would put it ‘We MAY be going the wrong way.’
AUKUS is actually a White Paper-level event: a major reset of our defence partnerships and equipment.
Did the Coalition commission a White Paper? Of course not.
I also agree that nuclear submarines are only really necessary for operations significantly distant from Australia. If the Coral Sea or the Timor Sea represent the rough boundaries of our ‘defensive submarine patrol’ needs, we would appear not to need nuclear submarines.
The very fact that ‘We MAY be going the wrong way’ means insufficient transparent work has been done to establish what AUKUS is about and why it means we need nuclear submarines.
It would be most disappointing if we were to discover, one day, that AUKUS was simply an attempt to wedge Labor that Morrison somehow got Biden and Johnson to agree to.
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Andrew_Earlwoodsays:
Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 7:48 pm
“Good governments make prudent choices with the public’s money. Look at Covid – the biggest waste was quarantine centres.
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Usually you self satisfy with just being a troll with a deliberate intention to irritate. which is avctualy a shame, given that when you lay down your Sealioning MO for moment you are capable of being a valuable contributor to discussion on this blog.
However, with this one post, you really have hit peak stupid haven’t you?
So what if we dodged a bullet that SARS 2.0 could be – sort of, thus far – dealt with without dedicated quarantine facilities. You take THAT as a vindication that we obviously don’t need them going forward. In truth, it was a warning. Like every redundancy – we dont need that system … until we do and at that point in time it’s too late to acquire the system.
Ditto Desalination plants.
Ditto having a strategic fuel reserve.
Ditto having an effective and capable submarine fleet as part bof a comprehensive A2/AD network.
Ditto having Sovereign supply chains sorted out in advance of the present situation.
Just like having seat belts and air bags installed into cars.
According to your logic just being “lucky” is a good substitute for proper risk management
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LNP doesn’t know, understand or do ‘Risk management ‘
Their thinking could be: we have won elections in 20 out of last 26 years without any thought of ‘risk management ‘. So why bother now. In the ideology where ‘people have to look after themselves’ , ‘greed is good’ or ‘Customer pays’, there is no place for ‘risk management ‘.
No wonder AUKUS countries have no back up when things are failing.
fantastic resource frednk. take a look what happens when hit clear all of the options, and select “retired/mothballed/cancelled/shelved”. It’s a real eye opener. I read recently that Chinas retirement GW of coal has now overtaken its new construction. And the newer processes aren’t quite as awful as the things they replace. It is true that they don’t seem to have advanced over the last three like they did in the three before that. But, you know, throwing glasses in stone houses and all that, we’ve just had a nine year rotated bin fire clusterfuckturducken. Let’s get our house in order and forget pontificating for a spell.
But ya ain’t gonna actually get information from a talking head at sky. China will be increasing gas soon. Like India will. To accelerate the phasing out of coal.
Coal energy generation is slowing down and quickly. Yes it would be great if it could be quicker. The only thing we get to do, morally, is to clean up our backyard. Way way way way before we get to give advice to others. If we’re not complete berks, they might even ask us to help them to everyone’s benefit.
Bystander @ #666 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 8:16 pm
I think the point is, those countries will need to deal with the consequences of their actions, and from my observations they already are, India especially and it’s not pretty. WE, on the other hand, can only control what we do and should not be influenced by what other countries are doing. WE should do the right thing. That is, enable the transition to Renewable sources of Energy and Big Battery backup as quickly as possible. At the same time we should ensure we supply energy to Australians who need it by whatever means required while we effect the transition promptly.
This, ‘BUT CHINA!’ argument by Canavan is bs of the smelliest order and should not be accepted as fact either because, as I understand it the newer Coal-Fired Power Stations are being built to replace older, dirtier ones as China transitions to being a Solar Power powerhouse, as I understand it. So, in effect, Matt Canavan is not telling the whole story. Because he doesn’t want to.
Snap! Pi.
“Thanks for the response Socrates.
Just one further point: as I understand it, Collins snorkel doesnt penetrate the surface like a standard periscope mast, or other mast does (or even other snorkel variants). It effectively just kisses the surface. Giving it a very low discretion factor. I can’t remember where I read this, but I think (again from from memory it is discussed on this video overview of the class):
https://youtu.be/GLuf_SdU3t8”
Interesting vid. Ta
frednk @ #666 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 8:34 pm
Depends on the interpretation of “no shortage”.
That page shows 345 under construction. With another ~600 planned (perhaps many of which may never advance past that point).
That compares against 2,869 projects that have been cancelled. And 2,642 completed plants that have been retired. Against a backdrop of 6,612 operational plants remaining today.
So over a quarter of the fleet has been taken out of service. What’s left will be increasing by 5-15%, max, relative to current operational capacity (and assuming zero new retirements, which is unrealistic). That’s down from a planned increase of ~50%.
Coal is dead. Woe unto any nation that pins its long-term economic prospects on pretending otherwise.
Gas is not far behind. Oil next.
Taylormade @ #684 Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 – 8:47 pm
And she will make a note of what a numpty this particular constituent is.
Honestly, Taylormade, the Coalition take regressive actions for a decade and you rush to blame a new government, not a month old, for THEIR clusterfuck?
when do we think albanese will anowse his senyor staff like chief off staff and the new house speaker
“Honestly, Taylormade, the Coalition take regressive actions for a decade and you rush to blame a new government, not a month old, for THEIR clusterfuck?”
Hmmmmm……..Taylormade……..perhaps not the sharpest knife in draw that also includes nath and LVT. How embarrasment. 🙁
Pi at 4.38
“And I want my space rocket goddamit.”
I was nearly 6 when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon. My parents gave me a book titled ‘You Will Go to the Moon.’
Waiting…waiting…
Taylormade, while you have biro in hand re-addressing your power bill, perhaps you start jotting down that list of Morrison Government achievements.
I wonder how many in the field of energy policy you will find?
Like dominoes.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/14/western-australia-to-become-coal-free-by-2030-with-muja-power-station-to-be-shut-down
These things aren’t being shut down to satisfy an ideology; They’re too expensive to run. It is cheaper to build 2x new renewables than it is to simply maintain an old burner/boiler turbine, let alone fuel it. This same dynamic exists everywhere. Feed your grid from locally sourced renewables and you insulate your economy from energy geopolitics.
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Snappy Tomsays:
Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 8:47 pm
A E at 2.15 re ‘Defence of Australia’ and submarines…
I would put it ‘We MAY be going the wrong way.’
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It would be most disappointing if we were to discover, one day, that AUKUS was simply an attempt to wedge Labor that Morrison somehow got Biden and Johnson to agree to.
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ST
It is increasingly looking likely that “AUKUS was simply an attempt to wedge Labor (and win 2022 election) that Morrison somehow got Biden and Johnson to agree to.”