SEC Newgate post-election poll (open thread)

A post-election survey finds Labor recovered support among middle-aged men, while women drove the surge to the Greens and independents.

The local branch of international communications firm SEC Newgate has published a post-election survey as part of a regular monthly series that had hitherto escaped my notice. Among its findings are that 28% of Labor voters at the election had voted for a different party or candidate in 2019, and that the party had “regained some traction with its traditional base”, particularly among middle-aged men. Conversely, the flight to the Greens and independents was driven overwhelmingly by women.

The survey also found 54% felt Australia was headed in the right direction post-election, up from 47% in April, and 52% felt the success of independents was good for Australia. Labor was considered the best party to handle housing by 42% to 25%, although its policy for partial government investment in private homes had only 38% support. The Coalition’s policy to allow first home buyers to draw on their superannuation was supported and opposed by 40% apiece, but its “downsizer” reforms were supported by 52% and opposed by 18%. Fifty-nine per cent supported an indigenous voice to parliament, with only 16% opposed. The survey was conducted May 23 to 27 from a sample of 1403.

Note also the post below dealing with the election result in the two Northern Territory seats, in what will be the first of a number of “call of the board” posts. It also marks a new leaf I’m at least planning on turning over in which I will increase the frequency of specialised posts with on-topic discussion threads, distinct from the usual poll-driven open threads like this one. We’ll see if I’m actually able to devote enough energy to the blog to make this viable long term. In any case, the open thread posts will henceforth be designated as such in their titles, as per the above.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. “This has been a known known for a decade. The article is part of 9/Faix’s drip drip drip campaign to inflame sentiment against China. Designed to trigger folk into irrational posturing and silly conclusions such as “The time for accomodating China is over”. Derpa Derpa Derpa.

    We really need to better on all of this.”

    If you are kind to us and assess this board as above the average in engagement and knowledge there doesn’t seem to be a lot of evidence to think we are capable of better.

    Look at covid, we were told ‘business as usual’ was the god of the moment and we gladly slaughter 40 or so people on the alter of the god every day.

    Can’t help but think the climate catastrophe’s human removal feature might actually leave the planet better off.

  2. WeWantPaul @ #96 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 8:49 am

    “Where is the detail of the energy transition plan?’

    So I take it there is no actual detail, it hasn’t yet progressed past a slogan or high level mission statement.

    Ok.

    Oh, you were serious.

    Maybe, seeing it’s Labor’s plan, you might look on their website.

  3. Thanks for the link Victoria. It’s good to look out of another’s eyes from time to time. It also led me to an article on indigenous knowledge*, which reminded me of a rant a few days back on misperceptions of science.

    Experience and knowledge exist inside world views, and science is a process not a world view. It does not need to be used to arrogantly dismiss valuable experience. Forgive the repetition, “But dig into that ancient cultural narrative and the underlying experience, hard won over millennia, is real. … The underlying ancient experience … can provide a short cut for science to build on. We might even learn more than we realise.” As others have said, we could to get over ourselves.

    * Using Indigenous knowledge and western science to help address climate change impacts

  4. “Serious question, I wouldn’t have expected it yet, but people are talking about it as something that already has substance?”

    The ISP contains a list of high priority network expansion options, and each of the TNSPs have a list of works that they would be planning to undertake over the next 20 years or so.

    So the plans are there. The key is breaking the regulatory-market nexus to invest in new assets strategically, rather on the basis of a torturous, periodic, and incremental cost-benefit assessment called the Rgulatory Investment Test.

    Expanding power transmission infrastructure will immediately unleash greater amounts of RE, which is currently curtailed on network constraints.

  5. “Oh, you were serious.

    Maybe, seeing it’s Labor’s plan, you might look on their website.”

    They are the government, I want to see actual government policy and implementation plans on a government website.

    I don’t need to review election promises. Confusing the two isn’t that bright a move.

    EG the NBN Labor began to implement was significantly better than the NBN they’d promised. It just took some time.

    I’ll leave you to your analysis of election promises. FMD.

  6. ‘Barney in Tanjung Bunga says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:54 am

    Boerwar @ #92 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 8:45 am

    ‘Late Riser says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:29 am

    BW

    I get your overall point. But does offering the Greens a seat on a committee with Independents produce a net benefit to Labor?…’
    —————–
    No. Labor promised repeatedly not to do a deal with the Greens. That is another promise Labor will keep.

    How is working with the crossbench to allow input on Labor’s policies doing a deal with the Greens?’
    ———————————-
    I have no problems with Labor doing deals with the Crossbenchers less the Greens. At all. I think it is a sound strategy.

    Agreeing to sit down with the Greens is both pointless and electoral poison for Labor.

    Maybe the Greens ‘helping’ Labor with the national defence policy? Instead of halving the ADF the ADF only needs to be cut by a quarter?

    All of the Greens policy settings are extreme. These policies can be so because the Greens will never ever have to be a government that is accountable.

    Here is my recommendation for the Greens. It is not complicated. It gets them the only mandate that counts: they take their policies to the Australian voters and get a 2PP of 50% +1 which translates into 76 seats in the House.

  7. “The ISP contains a list of high priority network expansion options, and each of the TNSPs have a list of works that they would be planning to undertake over the next 20 years or so.

    So the plans are there. The key is breaking the regulatory-market nexus to invest in new assets strategically, rather on the basis of a torturous, periodic, and incremental cost-benefit assessment called the Rgulatory Investment Test.

    Expanding power transmission infrastructure will immediately unleash greater amounts of RE, which is currently curtailed on network constraints.”

    Yeah I was aware of the election promises and I have a vague understanding of the structure and policy challenge from a lot of renew economy podcasts. It will be interesting if Labor can get into the detail and NBN it (ie come up with something great and nation building and much better than the promise).

    Although WA is an electricity island, I hope whatever they come up with hits every home in the country not just a few. And the less private investment involved the better. Why would you want a battery owned (at least in part) like we have by the French Govt when you could have one owned by your own Govt.

  8. Watermelon says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:36 am

    1. The Left have the numbers in Labor.
    2. The idea that the right is the faction of ‘international capital’ is simply a trot-derived slogan.
    3. The Apostasy do run their polemics to seed, fertilise, mulch and water disaffection with Labor. This describes 90% of their polemics. It is what they do. They are a profoundly, persistently, pervasively Labor-hostile voice. They will vote with the Lying Reactionaries to defeat Labor. Rely on it.
    4. I can call the Labor-phobic Greens anything I want. I will. They are the political siblings of the Lying Reactionaries.

  9. WB – “Conversely, the flight to the Greens and independents was driven overwhelmingly by women.”

    Great work, ladies. 🙂

  10. Abolition of slavery was once an extreme minority position. And people who campaigned on it were ridiculed, told it would never happen and accused of being counter-productive. There is a place in politics for moral conviction that isn’t based on the self-interest and beliefs of the median low-information marginal-seat bogan. Maybe accept this instead of spending every day giving yourself a hernia over it.

  11. “The idea that the right is the faction of ‘international capital’ is simply a trot-derived slogan.”

    I thought you were in WA? Where we elected a labor govt but got a very right wing govt, and yeah possibly they have been more captured by local celebrity billionaires than ‘international capital’ but McGowan has been 11000% pro every single aspect of trickle down economy as if he was still living pre GFC.

  12. Thanks BK.

    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/treasury-calls-on-labor-to-plug-our-leaky-tax-system/news-story/0d4248fd489729e84bcd5c868f226fe3

    Anyone know of any evidence the head of Treasury publicly ‘called on’ the Coalition to do anything?

    If there isn’t, he can STFU this time.

    At least Labor can say ‘Unlike the previous govt, we welcome the prospect of working with an unbiased, courageous public service’ etc.

    But we’ve seen a lot of ‘Labor musts’ and ‘Tests for Labor’ in 2.5 weeks. Probably more than were set for the Coalition in 2.5 years!

  13. ‘Watermelon says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:05 am

    Abolition of slavery was once an extreme minority position. And people who campaigned on it were ridiculed, told it would never happen and accused of being counter-productive. There is a place in politics for moral conviction that isn’t based on the self-interest and beliefs of the median low-information marginal-seat bogan. Maybe accept this instead of spending every day giving yourself a hernia over it.’
    =======================================
    Really. Only the righteous Greens do ‘moral conviction’? yet another cult signifier.

  14. WeWantPaul @ #110 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:05 am

    “The idea that the right is the faction of ‘international capital’ is simply a trot-derived slogan.”

    I thought you were in WA? Where we elected a labor govt but got a very right wing govt, and yeah possibly they have been more captured by local celebrity billionaires than ‘international capital’ but McGowan has been 11000% pro every single aspect of trickle down economy as if he was still living pre GFC.

    Far from ideal, but as long as the Libs are the biggest electoral threat then a McGowan Got is preferable.

  15. “Far from ideal, but as long as the Libs are the biggest electoral threat then a McGowan Got is preferable.”

    Very true. Best liberal govt we’ve ever had, but would be silly to suggest they would even know what progressive is from where they sit deep to the right.

    “But we’ve seen a lot of ‘Labor musts’ and ‘Tests for Labor’ in 2.5 weeks. Probably more than were set for the Coalition in 2.5 years!”

    It is the whole point of rigging the public service so they never question you and then are effectively a minefield that can blowup at any point for the other side.

    Backed up by a lazy and largely brain dead media working tirelessly for the wealthy against the rest of society and you end up about where we are.

    It is why Stokes and Murdoch, or was it Stokes and another billionaire, were absolutely confident they could tear down an elected labor govt in a term. Why did the media stop talking about that scoop I wonder.

    And look at the success of the China ‘bad’ campaign, Murdoch kicked off, in many ways probably because it engages deep racism, it is more successful than the ‘China wonderful don’t talk about human rights’ campaign we’d been feed for a couple of decades before that.

  16. Some of the many extreme minority ‘moral conviction’ positions in history.
    Fervent belief in:
    1. Christianity
    2. Islam
    3. Greens cult infused by the doctrine of Trotsky
    4. Zoroastrianism

    They all KNEW they were right and everyone else was wRONg.

  17. Rex Douglas at 11:11 am
    The top 5 rules of government in The Wild West are.
    1) Resource industries get what they want.
    2) See rule 1
    3) See rule 2
    4) See rule 3
    5) See rule 4
    .
    Observe those and you are fine.

  18. WeWantPaul @ #105 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 8:59 am

    “Oh, you were serious.

    Maybe, seeing it’s Labor’s plan, you might look on their website.”

    They are the government, I want to see actual government policy and implementation plans on a government website.

    I don’t need to review election promises. Confusing the two isn’t that bright a move.

    EG the NBN Labor began to implement was significantly better than the NBN they’d promised. It just took some time.

    I’ll leave you to your analysis of election promises. FMD.

    Less than 3 weeks from the election and you want the actual details that are unlikely to exist yet.

    This is a trap for progressive Governments to battle, expectation are so high that they need to do everything now. Anything less is a failure. Trying to meet this unrealistic expectation can lead to scaring the shit out of swing voters with all the change being imposed on their lives, with the obvious ballet box implications.

    Albanese has clearly indicated he will be following a more carefully considered approach to policy.

    So my advice to you is to prepare to be constantly disappointed because your ridiculous expectations will not be met.

  19. Golly. If Murdoch says so it can’t be so! What next?

    Get a grip folks. China is not just ‘bad’.

    It is an evil militaristic, imperialistic and expansionary dictatorship.

  20. “Less than 3 weeks from the election and you want the actual details that are unlikely to exist yet.

    This is a trap for progressive Governments to battle, expectation are so high that they need to do everything now. Anything less is a failure. Trying to meet this unrealistic expectation can lead to scaring the shit out of swing voters with all the change being imposed on their lives, with the obvious ballet box implications.

    Albanese has clearly indicated he will be following a more carefully considered approach to policy.

    So my advice to you is to prepare to be constantly disappointed because your ridiculous expectations will not be met.’

    I don’t know why I even bother but just in case anyone reads your insane dishonest rantings, for the record I didn’t expect any detail, and if there was at this point it would almost certainly be very disappointing.

    But I wasn’t the one conflating *checks notes* election promises and one meeting held yesterday into anything more than election promises and one meeting held yesterday.

    The impression I got from a number of posts was that there had been some detail. And it was very surprising. That there is no detail is less surprising, I should have just guessed.

  21. Ven at 8.45

    “The polling organizations were spot on with LNP PV but were way of with ALP PV.”

    I’ve just checked Bludgertrack…the last 3 Resolve polls before election had Labor PV 34, 34 and 31%. IIRC, Resolve didn’t do 2PP but people often estimated it at 51/49 off the 31 PV.

    So, the anti-democratic, FPTP-loving, former tory strategist, snake in the grass Jim Reed might’ve been right about something…

  22. “Golly. If Murdoch says so it can’t be so! What next?

    Get a grip folks. China is not just ‘bad’.

    It is an evil militaristic, imperialistic and expansionary dictatorship.”

    You’ve absolutely mastered black and white and binary, perhaps it is time to expand your mind and your writings beyond two bits?

  23. WeWantPaul says:

    The impression I got from a number of posts was that there had been some detail. And it was very surprising. That there is no detail is less surprising, I should have just guessed.
    __________
    Indeed. Barney called it a ‘properly integrated program’… Shame there is no detail. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  24. WeWantPaul at 11:14 am

    Rupe had big plans for China and becoming bigly there, a dream he was actively working on. There were whispers back then that Wendy was part of the plan as her nationality and contacts would make it easier.It was all looking rosy for Rupes’ dreams in China until the Chinese government turned against Rupes and decided he could GAGF. That was when Mordor Media did a 180 degrees and started going feral with China. Watching Fox News back then really brought home the stark and sudden change in reporting on anything China related 😆

  25. Bludging @ #108 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:03 am

    2. The idea that the right is the faction of ‘international capital’ is simply a trot-derived slogan.

    Say what? The right is all about freedom. Freedom of money to do what it wants. Natural persons seeking to exercise civil liberties, not so much.

    Particularly when exercising a civil liberty doesn’t involve sums of money changing hands. And especially if the person is female, gay, non-white, afflicted with a terminal illness, or poor. Then the freedom-loving right winger is more likely to tell them to shut up and do as they’re told.

  26. nath @ #124 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 9:23 am

    WeWantPaul says:

    The impression I got from a number of posts was that there had been some detail. And it was very surprising. That there is no detail is less surprising, I should have just guessed.
    __________
    Indeed. Barney called it a ‘properly integrated program’… Shame there is no detail. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    An integrated program doesn’t focus on a particular element, it looks at the whole system how changes interact and impact other areas, and how best to facilitate change.

    This is what Labor’s plan does it’s about first putting the pieces in place to facilitate the transition that is happening.

  27. Holdenhillbilly at 9.02

    “Unlike previous episodes, this inflation is NOT caused by galloping consumer demand or runaway wages…”

    I have a fairly useless economics degree and I’m struggling to think of any inflation spike caused by demand/wages. The 1970s spike was generated by OPEC quadrupling the price of crude oil in 1973, for example.

    I’m beginning to suspect that, while ‘demand pull’ inflation can apply to certain sectors (like housing) it rarely accounts for economy-wide inflation. IMHO, the term is really a tool for business to argue for wage suppression.

    Anyone aware of an economy-wide ‘demand pull’ inflation episode?

  28. ‘WeWantPaul says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:22 am

    “Golly. If Murdoch says so it can’t be so! What next?

    Get a grip folks. China is not just ‘bad’.

    It is an evil militaristic, imperialistic and expansionary dictatorship.”

    You’ve absolutely mastered black and white and binary, perhaps it is time to expand your mind and your writings beyond two bits?’
    ———————————
    The Uighers are being treated to genocide.
    There are over half a million Tibetan deaths for which there is no accounting.
    There is zero democracy. Censorship is total. The surveillance system is the best/worst in the world. Judicial murder of political enemies is a norm. There is no right of assembly. Churches are managed by the Party. There is no right of free speech. China just brutally throttled a burgeoning democracy movement in Hong Kong, deploying armed forces so to do. China is engaging in the single biggest naval build up in peace time history. China constantly threatens a neighbouring democracy with invasion. These threats are bloodcurdling. These threats are backed up by routine incursions by dozens of warplanes. China has grabbed bits of Pakistan, India, Bhutan, Phillipines, Vietnam and Malaysia. China routine threatens miltary retribution. China routinely deploys trade punishments and has done so against such might military nations as the Philippines.

    Maybe the Greens would like to suggest that the PLA be halved? Does China really need two million soldiers to defend itself?

    Go ahead. Do some shades of grey.

  29. “Rupe had big plans for China and becoming bigly there, a dream he was actively working on. There were whispers back then that Wendy was part of the plan as her nationality and contacts would make it easier.It was all looking rosy for Rupes’ dreams in China until the Chinese government turned against Rupes and decided he could GAGF. That was when Mordor Media did a 180 degrees and started going feral with China. Watching Fox News back then really brought home the stark and sudden change in reporting on anything China related ”

    Yeah 100%, it was nicely timed in many ways because the ‘look person in weird clothing with dark skin they are probably a terrorist line up over here to surrender your rights’ was becoming less effective.

    If the anti-China stuff was really about human rights, or even simply strengthening international bodies, norms and institutions I’d embrace it, but it seems to be mainly about selling weapons and starting wars, so I’m not a fan of that.

  30. Cronus @ #124 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:26 am

    Albanese already talking with Mike Cannon-Brookes about manufacturing Sun Cable materials in Australia. That’s the sort of initiative we need.

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/albanese-speaks-to-cannon-brookes-about-sun-cable-manufacturing-plans/

    I’m almost certain Albanese now just pays lip service to the fossil fuel industry for the politics while working behind closed doors to transition away ASAP.

  31. ‘WeWantPaul says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:36 am

    “Go ahead. Do some shades of grey.’

    Sorry matey I’m all out of pearls.’
    ————————-
    Matey, matey, matey… this reminds me of the Australian Stalinists of the day. Stalin was the Dear Leader and Russia was nirvana. NFI about how dictatorships actually work. Simply did not get evil. They may even have thought that Stalin did fifty shades of grey and nuance when all along he was just banal mass murdering megalomaniac. Just like Hitler. Just like Mussolini. Just like Franco. Just like Hirohito. Just like Putin. And oh… just like Xi.

  32. ‘Rex Douglas says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:35 am

    Cronus @ #124 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:26 am

    Albanese already talking with Mike Cannon-Brookes about manufacturing Sun Cable materials in Australia. That’s the sort of initiative we need.

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/albanese-speaks-to-cannon-brookes-about-sun-cable-manufacturing-plans/

    I’m almost certain Albanese now just pays lip service to the fossil fuel industry for the politics while working behind closed doors to transition away ASAP.’
    =================================
    FMD. What happened to hundreds of your posts of how Labor was doing the work of the fossil fuel cartel?

  33. Boerwar @ #135 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:44 am

    ‘Rex Douglas says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:35 am

    Cronus @ #124 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:26 am

    Albanese already talking with Mike Cannon-Brookes about manufacturing Sun Cable materials in Australia. That’s the sort of initiative we need.

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/albanese-speaks-to-cannon-brookes-about-sun-cable-manufacturing-plans/

    I’m almost certain Albanese now just pays lip service to the fossil fuel industry for the politics while working behind closed doors to transition away ASAP.’
    =================================
    FMD. What happened to hundreds of your posts of how Labor was doing the work of the fossil fuel cartel?

    They were. But then Albanese happened and then Teal happened and then the election happened.

  34. Rex Douglas says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:46 am

    Boerwar @ #135 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:44 am

    ‘Rex Douglas says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:35 am

    Cronus @ #124 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:26 am

    Albanese already talking with Mike Cannon-Brookes about manufacturing Sun Cable materials in Australia. That’s the sort of initiative we need.

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/albanese-speaks-to-cannon-brookes-about-sun-cable-manufacturing-plans/

    I’m almost certain Albanese now just pays lip service to the fossil fuel industry for the politics while working behind closed doors to transition away ASAP.’
    =================================
    FMD. What happened to hundreds of your posts of how Labor was doing the work of the fossil fuel cartel?

    They were. But then Albanese happened and then Teal happened and then the election happened.
    ======================
    ======================
    Albanese is doing exactly what Labor has been promising to do. There is no change to its promises. The Teals have zero real power, BTW.
    Albanese is exactly the same Albanese that we had a month ago.
    Still, it is refreshing to see that you are capable of turning your views on a dime.

  35. Barney in Tanjung Bunga says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:19 am
    “I see Labor working with the teals as being in their short term, and the country’s long term interest.
    It will help to shore up the teals support in their electorates, making it more difficult for the Coalition to return to power, and; it creates the possibility of a more moderate right wing force forming around them that could ultimately replace the Coalition as Labor’s opposition on the right.”

    I agree, the Teals seem to primarily be the natural allies of the ALP. Collaboration between the two that achieves good policy allows the Greens to then decide to be part of the action or not.

    At the very least this achieves outcomes and isolates the Coalition further. At best it sets up a strong future of progressive leaning parties for future elections.

  36. Boerwar @ #139 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:51 am

    Rex Douglas says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:46 am

    Boerwar @ #135 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:44 am

    ‘Rex Douglas says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:35 am

    Cronus @ #124 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 11:26 am

    Albanese already talking with Mike Cannon-Brookes about manufacturing Sun Cable materials in Australia. That’s the sort of initiative we need.

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/albanese-speaks-to-cannon-brookes-about-sun-cable-manufacturing-plans/

    I’m almost certain Albanese now just pays lip service to the fossil fuel industry for the politics while working behind closed doors to transition away ASAP.’
    =================================
    FMD. What happened to hundreds of your posts of how Labor was doing the work of the fossil fuel cartel?

    They were. But then Albanese happened and then Teal happened and then the election happened.
    ======================
    ======================
    Albanese is doing exactly what Labor has been promising to do. There is no change to its promises. The Teals have zero real power, BTW.
    Albanese is exactly the same Albanese that we had a month ago.
    Still, it is refreshing to see that you are capable of turning your views on a dime.

    Hilarious. You’re actually terrified that Albanese has changed the Labor course because of REALITY. Conservatives like you do yourselves no favours. 😆

  37. In outer Brissie, very cold westerly winds, current temp of 14 degrees which is low on average for these parts. At least it’s dry and sunny. 2 degrees overnight, brrrrr.

  38. Boerwar @ #138 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 9:49 am

    BiTJ
    I suggest you do your own research and get back to us with your findings. Turning a blind eye does not count.

    I have.

    Evidence for your claim doesn’t exist.

    Ownership of the islands and reefs in the South China Sea is disputed and no determination has ever been made.

    That you continue to repeat your lie does your “argument” little credibility.

  39. The difference between the Greens and the Teals is that the latter have so far demonstrated good faith. I have no problem with Labor engaging the Teals. Quite a few of the latter have considerable intellectual power and relevant experience which might prove useful in the development of legislation.

    Unlike Bandt, none of them have warned or threatened Labor.

    Which reminds me. Has Bandt publicly rejected Jordan Steele-John’s view that concern about the China-Solomons Pact is ‘racist’? Or is Bandt letting that one slide through to the keeper? Was that ‘moral conviction’? What?

  40. Victoria at 11.43 re feeling fatigued…

    I hope the antihistamines help in the near future!

    If not, I have other suggestions. Maybe ask W Bowe to enable us to privately share our email addresses (if you want that kind of conversation)?

  41. the Teals seem to primarily be the natural allies of the ALP. Collaboration between the two that achieves good policy allows the Greens to then decide to be part of the action or not.

    At the very least this achieves outcomes and isolates the Coalition further. At best it sets up a strong future of progressive leaning parties for future elections.

    Yep.

  42. BiTJ

    Oh, I’ll let you ask the Vietnamese and Philippines governments which islands they used to run that are now Chinese military bases. No evidence there. Global Times said so.

    Just so you know which bases I am talking about, they are the bases that China promised not to build. No evidence there. Global times said so.

    How is the Bhutan situation clarifying itself, BTW? No evidence there either. Global Times said so.

  43. Cronus at 11.52ish

    “…the Teals seem to primarily be the natural allies of the ALP.”

    I suggest caution about that. I don’t think Teals – or any ‘moderate’ Liberals still in that party – have much positive to say about working with organised labour – i.e. trade unions.

    NSW has a ‘moderate’ Liberal govt and they’re poor at it.

    Teals for me are Liberals of the Menzies/Peacock persuasion. Their main value to me is as destroyers of the Right.

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