SEC Newgate post-election poll (open thread)

A post-election survey finds Labor recovered support among middle-aged men, while women drove the surge to the Greens and independents.

The local branch of international communications firm SEC Newgate has published a post-election survey as part of a regular monthly series that had hitherto escaped my notice. Among its findings are that 28% of Labor voters at the election had voted for a different party or candidate in 2019, and that the party had “regained some traction with its traditional base”, particularly among middle-aged men. Conversely, the flight to the Greens and independents was driven overwhelmingly by women.

The survey also found 54% felt Australia was headed in the right direction post-election, up from 47% in April, and 52% felt the success of independents was good for Australia. Labor was considered the best party to handle housing by 42% to 25%, although its policy for partial government investment in private homes had only 38% support. The Coalition’s policy to allow first home buyers to draw on their superannuation was supported and opposed by 40% apiece, but its “downsizer” reforms were supported by 52% and opposed by 18%. Fifty-nine per cent supported an indigenous voice to parliament, with only 16% opposed. The survey was conducted May 23 to 27 from a sample of 1403.

Note also the post below dealing with the election result in the two Northern Territory seats, in what will be the first of a number of “call of the board” posts. It also marks a new leaf I’m at least planning on turning over in which I will increase the frequency of specialised posts with on-topic discussion threads, distinct from the usual poll-driven open threads like this one. We’ll see if I’m actually able to devote enough energy to the blog to make this viable long term. In any case, the open thread posts will henceforth be designated as such in their titles, as per the above.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. This is a long overdue move for infrastructure spending, and I’d reckon there are a few more public service agencies that could also do with the broom being swept through them.

    Labor will ditch its election promises to communities for new swimming pools or sporting ground upgrades if they do not stack up on a merits-based review, as new Infrastructure Minister Catherine King pledges to bring integrity back to funding.

    King’s priorities in her new role are to overhaul regional grants programs to eliminate the pork-barrelling seen in the past, and to reshape Infrastructure Australia including finding a new chief executive officer and cleaning out its board.

    Infrastructure Australia chief executive Romilly Madew announced in the week before the election she would leave in July to take up a job as the head of Engineers Australia.

    Former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce appointed Tamworth Mayor Col Murray chair of Infrastructure Australia late last year, a move criticised by Labor at the time.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/minister-puts-integrity-and-fairness-in-the-infrastructure-pipeline-20220608-p5as2x.html

  2. That headline finding is absolutely correct. I spoke to a friend of mine who runs a Tyrepower franchise after the election, and he confessed to me that he voted for Labor for the first time in his life this year.

    He’s a middle aged man.

  3. The time for accommodating China is over. They’re just playing us for mugs.

    Police have uncovered a suspected Chinese money laundering syndicate headquartered in Victoria and NSW that is moving hundreds of millions of dollars annually to China and across the globe, raising serious questions about whether Beijing is turning a blind eye to organised crime.

    Australian law enforcement agencies, in partnership with officials from the United States and Canada, have also compiled intelligence that suggests Chinese companies and brokers are supplying the vast majority of precursor chemicals used to make illicit drugs on the Australian market.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/police-probe-into-chinese-money-laundering-syndicate-headquartered-in-australia-20220608-p5as2t.html

  4. C@tmomma @ #2 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 6:24 am

    That headline finding is absolutely correct. I spoke to a friend of mine who runs a Tyrepower franchise after the election, and he confessed to me that he voted for Labor for the first time in his life this year.

    He’s a middle aged man.

    Me to gardener, middle aged man: “So, what do you think of Albo”

    Gardener: Shrugs shoulders “That other one had to go. It was time for a change. But then, all the things go bad!”

    Me: “Which suggests they were sitting on the bad stuff doesn’t it? Bad stuff can’t happen in a week.”

    Gardener: Shrugs shoulders.

  5. C@tmomma @ #7 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 7:27 am

    Itza,
    You could use a gardening analogy…the tree doesn’t die overnight, the rot sets in first. 🙂

    He’s a really good very hard working man, who most of all just loves the bush, and being in it. His wife works at the local school. I hadn’t seen him for six months. Wherever he gets his news, it’s not very deep, nor thought through I’d bet. But I give this example of how I reckon a lot of people thought – they had the perception (which after all is all it’s about) that the government had to change.

  6. Interesting to read yesterday’s comments-in-passing about the Woodhead Railway Line in my neck of the woods

    A very picturesque line in a lovely part of the world – the A628 ‘Woodhead Pass’ from Barnsley to Manchester should be on any UK bucket list drive IMO 🙂 (ditto the A57 ‘Snake Pass’ from Sheffield)

    I remember them lifting the tracks in the 1980’s 🙁

    The A628 runs virtually over the top of the Woodhead Tunnel western portals – in this Google view the remains of Woodhead Station are in the centre of this image buried under the foliage front and left of the closest pylon. Woodhead No.3 tunnel these days carries electricity cables while Nos. 1 and 2 are sealed off

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4955235,-1.8288305,3a,21.5y,264.81h,82.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1OLk1Fp7l4DUG51jwpOYrQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

  7. woonder how long naptrhine will remain as n d i s chair on teed obrian shadow climate change before politics he was ceo of a cumpany premoating exbanding trade with china and tiwon and praized marles trip to china

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  9. Ray (UK) @ #9 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 7:38 am

    Interesting to read yesterday’s comments-in-passing about the Woodhead Railway Line in my neck of the woods

    A very picturesque line in a lovely part of the world – the A628 ‘Woodhead Pass’ from Barnsley to Manchester should be on any UK bucket list drive IMO 🙂 (ditto the A57 ‘Snake Pass’ from Sheffield)

    I remember them lifting the tracks in the 1980’s 🙁

    The A628 runs virtually over the top of the Woodhead Tunnel western portals – in this Google view the remains of Woodhead Station are in the centre of this image buried under the foliage front and left of the closest pylon. Woodhead No.3 tunnel these days carries electricity cables while Nos. 1 and 2 are sealed off

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4955235,-1.8288305,3a,21.5y,264.81h,82.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1OLk1Fp7l4DUG51jwpOYrQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

    Ray, lovely stuff. I started off in a railway town, in Oz, so have some ‘implant’ for rail. On tunnels, in the UK, we were in Box (on the way to Peter Gabriel’s studio; cop that Jaeger!) and were shown around Box Hill, riddled with tunnels, which during the war was used to fool the Germans with an ’empty’ train driven into the Hill in one tunnel, and perfectly timed, another one fully laden would emerge the other side, forwards.

  10. ‘The trouble is, while his party has four members in the House of Representatives and a dozen Senators, it doesn’t have the power to directly achieve its so-called mandate. The election results have not provided the Greens with a mandate to put its policies fully into effect. They can introduce legislation, but they don’t have the ability to force its adoption by the Parliament, or its implementation by the government, says David Solomon.
    https://johnmenadue.com/the-problems-with-mandates/
    ======================================
    uh huh. We are going to have to wait at least another three years before Bandt Saves the Planet, Saves the Reef, Halves the ADF and Stops Extinction.

  11. ‘Steve777 says:
    Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:12 pm

    Nuclear is only ever raised as a wedge and a diversion. Anything but renewables. Meanwhile, we keep on burning fossil fuels.

    We missed the nuclear bus in the 70s. If anyone wants to invest in nuclear, let them justify it on commercial grounds. Meanwhile, we proceed with the transition.’
    ——————————–
    Labor should legalize nuclear power.
    This is so fools like Joyce and Bandt would have to put up or shut up. Joyce had nine years to legalize it and did nothing.
    The Greens policy is to completely destroy any uranium mining, export or energy use in Australia. (In Finland the Greens’ policy is exactly the opposite.)
    Legalize nuclear energy: kill the Joyce/Bandt Soul Brothers’ Wedge.

  12. Aaron newton @ #10 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 7:45 am

    woonder how long naptrhine will remain as n d i s chair on teed obrian shadow climate change before politics he was ceo of a cumpany premoating exbanding trade with china and tiwon and praized marles trip to china

    Patience, grasshopper. The federal government appear to be slowly and methodically, armed with conclusive evidence, working their way through the stacked boards and departments so as to weed out the bad actors who don’t deserve to be there on merit. The Liberals respect ‘merit’, remember? 🙂

  13. Allegra Spender more impressive than the dumbo official Liberal Party spokesmen – mostly men.

    One thing she did say is that Mark Dreyfus had reached out to make a time to discuss the National Integrity Commission Bill. Smart politics by Labor.

  14. There was an episode of Walking Britains Lost Railways that went along that train line past the Woodhead Tunnel.

    Seeing this show, you can see why Richard Beeching is the most hated civil servant in history.

  15. ItzaDream @ #11 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 7:46 am

    It’s a major landmark on the outside, as New South Head Road sweeps around towards Rose Bay, the Police Station opposite where the Road to Malcolm’s little harbour side digs heads off to the left: Cranbrook’s new Murray Rose Swimming Centre with its sandstone curved walls glowing golden in the morning sun.

    And inside you wonder? Wonder no more:

    https://www.cranbrook.nsw.edu.au/community/murray-rose-aquatic-and-fitness-centre/

    I’m so glad I avoided all that and resisted my parent’s entreaties to go to the PLC. Ergo, I love a well-resourced public swimming complex and public beaches, open to all. 🙂

  16. sprocket_ @ #18 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 8:23 am

    Allegra Spender more impressive than the dumbo official Liberal Party spokesmen – mostly men.

    One thing she did say is that Mark Dreyfus had reached out to make a time to discuss the National Integrity Commission Bill. Smart politics by Labor.

    And he was in the room at the AFP conference too.

  17. It’s freezing here today, ‘feels like’ 5.4C at 8.30 in the morning! 😯

    Still, I’m off down to Sydney today to go to the Unions After the Election After Party. Sally McManus and Tony Bourke are the special guests. 🙂


  18. C@tmommasays:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 6:24 am
    That headline finding is absolutely correct. I spoke to a friend of mine who runs a Tyrepower franchise after the election, and he confessed to me that he voted for Labor for the first time in his life this year.

    He’s a middle aged man.

    That still doesn’t explain the low PV ( 32.6%) of ALP i.e ALP PV went backwards by 0.8%. I know you will say ‘tactical’ voting but that still doesn’t explain the full story.
    This is first time in Australian political history that a party won from opposition with less than 40% or not since World War 1 i.e. before Australia had properly established parties.
    Newspoll last poll reported on election day had ALP on 36%. And ALP did not reach even that.
    The polling organizations were spot on with LNP PV but were way of with ALP PV.

  19. Thanks BK for your tireless efforts.

    https://johnmenadue.com/the-road-ahead/

    I encountered a theory that Russians craved autocratic government because of the pervasive cold climate of much of the USSR – Russians never got over the comfort of tight swaddling as babies in bitter winters.

    It’s a nice little homily to get the flow of the day started. But this next bit is better.

    … that incoming Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese should consider creating a range of government committees – with representation for the Teals and the Greens – to work together to develop common policies into workable legislation

    Their role would be to promote workable agreed solutions as soon as possible, so that the Government’s program can be advanced without delay.

    I think that Teal and Green are natural competitors for the same voter: pro climate change action, pro gender equality, anti-Murdoch, and comfortably inner city professional. They also compete with Labor on these issues. But the advantage lies with Labor who are in government.

    Menadue promotes an idea that would be seductive for all three groups, but more so for Labor. Because if government working groups can be formed to rapidly achieve government aims that would blend the Teal/Green brand and blur their marketing, and sell Albanese’s message of “all good ideas are welcome”.

  20. Ray (UK)
    Traffic over the Woodhead Route was so heavy that in order to keep trains running the Great Central Railway actually built a signal box inside the tunnel. All those hundreds of trains hauled by steam locomotives didn’t make for healthy working conditions. Hard to believe nowadays .

  21. ‘sprocket_ says:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 8:33 am

    BW

    On nuclear industry for Australia, there was a comprehensive Parliamentary report done in 2019 – it’s recommendations were totally ignored by the Coalition.

    https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-3039339548/view
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    I am heartily sick of the Coalition using it as a deflection and the Greens using it as an ideological doctrinaire wedge. It is time for both the Coalition and the Greens to act like adults.
    Legalizing nuclear energy would force them both to grow up.

  22. Late Riser,
    I would also add the homily that PM Albanese probably keeps in mind: ‘Idle hands are the devil’s playthings’.

  23. Late Riser, listening to Allegra Spender this morning – she is far removed from the Greens, other than at the most superficial level.

    Pro business, anti socialist. I don’t think Trotsky was required reading at Ascham.

  24. Ven,

    To try and answer your question, if you look at the analysis in Mr Bowe’s forward, it seems as though a sizeable proportion of ‘Labor’s PV vote’ went with women to the Teals and Greens and was replaced by the middle aged men coming across from the Coalition. So, with our Preferential Voting System, which you don’t seem to acknowledge as a factor, a lot of those votes ultimately flowed back to Labor’s 2PP. Which won them enough seats to form a majority government.

  25. C@tmommasays:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 8:54 am
    Ven,

    To try and answer your question, if you look at the analysis in Mr Bowe’s forward, it seems as though a sizeable proportion of ‘Labor’s PV vote’ went with women to the Teals and Greens and was replaced by the middle aged men coming across from the Coalition. So, with our Preferential Voting System, which you don’t seem to acknowledge as a factor, a lot of those votes ultimately flowed back to Labor’s 2PP. Which won them enough seats to form a majority government.

    I acknowledged that in yesterday night in previous thread.
    And one of the posters’ar’ made fun of me for my Typo on that. 🙂

  26. Ven @ #32 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 8:54 am


    Political historian Chris Wallace says that there is a major chance for renewal – if Labor can sell it. She tells us that this government faces the biggest economic challenge of any incoming government since World War II. Read it!
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-major-chance-for-renewal-if-labor-can-sell-it-20220608-p5arxs.html

    And the selling can start by helping the people who are most affected by Energy crisis now.

    And this is how Europe decided to do it (a policy which I think Labor should adopt):

    Over the last decades, the share of European households’ income spent on energy products has been on the rise. Such a rise indicates that vulnerable consumers were disproportionately hit by growing energy prices. In 2000, European households spent on the average 5% on their income in energy product. In 2014, this proportion rose to 6%. As for the poorest households, the portion of income spent on energy products increased even more sharply as it rose from 6% to 9% over the same period. However, it should be considered that member states’ situations are extremely diverse, and such average figures do not capture the complexity of the problem on the ground.

    In the Energy Union Communication of 2015, the European Commission stated that energy poverty should be tackled mainly through social policy means, and that mechanisms to protect vulnerable consumers in the phase out of regulated prices should be elaborated within the framework of the general welfare system. Futhermore, the Communication stipulates that If provided through the energy market, the best instruments should be social tariffs or discounts to be covered collectively by non-eligible consumers.

    https://www.epc.eu/en/events/Financial-means-to-tackle-ener~1acd54

    It’s a good article to read because it outlines the pros, and cons, of the system and others like it.

  27. Ven @ #35 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 8:59 am

    C@tmommasays:
    Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 8:54 am
    Ven,

    To try and answer your question, if you look at the analysis in Mr Bowe’s forward, it seems as though a sizeable proportion of ‘Labor’s PV vote’ went with women to the Teals and Greens and was replaced by the middle aged men coming across from the Coalition. So, with our Preferential Voting System, which you don’t seem to acknowledge as a factor, a lot of those votes ultimately flowed back to Labor’s 2PP. Which won them enough seats to form a majority government.

    I acknowledged that in yesterday night in previous thread.
    And one of the posters’ar’ made fun of me for my Typo on that. 🙂

    People get tired and emotional at night, Ven. 😉

  28. Alpha Zero @ #20 Wednesday, June 8th, 2022 – 11:28 pm

    There was an episode of Walking Britains Lost Railways that went along that train line past the Woodhead Tunnel.

    Seeing this show, you can see why Richard Beeching is the most hated civil servant in history.

    Aye, that’s one of the Thurgoland Tunnels between Sheffield and Penistone

    There’s a few YouTube snippets with Cab views of the Woodhead Tunnel approaches 🙂


  29. The trouble is, while his party has four members in the House of Representatives and a dozen Senators, it doesn’t have the power to directly achieve its so-called mandate. The election results have not provided the Greens with a mandate to put its policies fully into effect. They can introduce legislation, but they don’t have the ability to force its adoption by the Parliament, or its implementation by the government, says David Solomon.
    https://johnmenadue.com/the-problems-with-mandates/

    But Greens can stop ALP from implementing its policies.

  30. Here’s a wild idea for mainstream economists to smile at condescendingly: How about the Reserve Bank stands back and lets this inflation episode run its course.

    There’s a wise old saying that the best cure for high prices is high prices, since they naturally reduce demand on their own, but central bankers are trained to scoff at that idea.

    Unlike previous episodes, this inflation is NOT caused by galloping consumer demand or runaway wages, which is what higher interest rates are designed to suppress, but by two colossal stupidities that are entirely impervious to the Reserve Bank.

    The first, of course, is Vladimir Putin’s idiotic invasion of Ukraine, about which enough is said already.

    The second stupidity (or is that three now?) is Australia’s poor excuse for an energy policy, which has more holes than a trendy pair of jeans.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/06/09/inflation-stupidities-alan-kohler/

  31. sprocket_, BW, c@t

    All true, but if offered by Labor they would have to accept or explain why they didn’t get involved in ‘fast tracking’ their public agendas. Does Labor have the spare talent to set up and guide such committees?

  32. I saw a comment on twitter a few days ago that Shorten had terminated all the Inhuman Services callcentre contracts.

    I haven’t seen anything in the media along those lines so I’m not sure if thats correct. However some of the job network processes seem to have changed. I had a cold last week, and for whatever reason I forgot to fill out 20 questions for the Job Network – work I’ve been applying for.(Too excited about the election result?) In the past this would have required a call and reconnection appointment I believe. This time I simply belatedly filled the form, and within 5 mins of completing that I got an automated text thanking me, informing I was reconnected, a much saner, more civilised approach.

    +++

    The extended LNP media tantrum will only serve to underline why we rejected them. Theyre gonna teach us what a terrible decision we made by rubbing our noses in it. A loser strategy. They’ve shown they’re gonna defend every last dumb decision and position they took, climate war, culture war. The only diff is slightly lower emphasis of religious ratbags, but even that theyre not admitting. Brother Stuie was saying that freeing the Murugappans was a decision lacking grace yesterday!!


  33. Australia is experiencing the second most severe labour shortages in the developed world, according to the latest OECD economic outlook, reports Ronald Mizen.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/australia-has-second-worst-skills-crisis-in-developed-world-20220608-p5arzu

    Although severe labour shortages are because there is negligible Immigration into the country, which had large component from India, China and SE Asia, due to Pandemic, I would be surprised if they are restored to Pre-pandemic levels because immigration from India and China may will be reduced substantially due to their domestic considerations.

  34. Late Riser @ #42 Thursday, June 9th, 2022 – 9:06 am

    sprocket_, BW, c@t

    All true, but if offered by Labor they would have to accept or explain why they didn’t get involved in ‘fast tracking’ their public agendas. Does Labor have the spare talent to set up and guide such committees?

    It surely does. Some of the newbie MPs will get put onto committees and they are quite talented individuals in their own right.

  35. LR

    The Greens have a track record of delay and obstruction coupled with bragging about positive results and excoriating Labor for not Saving the Planet, etc, etc, etc.

    That will never change. The Greens are out to destroy Labor. You can see it Bandt’s behaviour: nine years of viciously sticking it to Labor followed by offers to be friendly, constructive, coupled with warnings and threats. (A bit like the Chicommies practice when it comes to doing ‘diplomacy’ with Australia.)

    There is scope for working with Crossbench minus Greens. The Greens are belladonna to Labor. They will either put Labor to sleep or kill it.

  36. BW is such an insufferable bore. No, Bandt isn’t going to save the world with four MPs, you think you’re a great wit for pointing that out that a thousand times a day? All he can do is represent the people that voted for his party because they chose its platform.

    You’re the type of moral void that would ridicule an abolitionist for running for US Congress in the first half of the nineteenth century, on the grounds that they weren’t going to single-handedly abolish slavery.

    Please just shut up to improve the quality of this forum.

  37. The YouGov 2017 opinion poll story is getting a good run today on Twitter and the Labour reddits

    This sort of thing does happen from time to time though .. older viewers may remember it was revealed in 2015 that Survation didn’t publish an eve-of-poll survey showing the Tories ahead by 6 points (they won by 6.6 points) because it was so out of sync with all the other polls showing a dead heat

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