Morgan: 53.5-46.5 to Labor

The fortnightly Roy Morgan poll adds another increment to the rise of “others”, while Scott Morrison’s personal ratings take a knock in Essential Research.

The fortnightly Roy Morgan poll records little change on a fortnight ago, with Labor’s two-party lead at 53.5-46.5, in from 54-46. Both major parties are unchanged on the primary vote, the Coalition at 36.5% and Labor at 35%, with the Greens down two to 11.5% and One Nation down half to 3%. The “others” vote is accordingly up two-and-a-half points to 14%, which is two points higher than in any previous Morgan polls this term. See Mark the Graph for a poll trend that shows how the others vote has ascended by about four points since the start of July – BludgerTrack (freshly updated here) doesn’t feature a trendline for others, which is perhaps something I should look at.

Morgan’s two-party state breakdowns have Labor down since last fortnight by two points in New South Wales, one-and-a-half in Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia and half a point in Tasmania, but up by nine points in South Australia, no doubt reflecting the vagaries of small sub-sample size. Labor leads by 53.5-46.5 in New South Wales, for a swing of around 5.5%; 55-45 in Victoria, around 2%; 53.5-46.5 in Western Australia, around 9%; 57.5-42.5 in South Australia, around 7%; and 57.5-42.5 in Tasmania, around 1.5%. The poll was conducted over the past two weekends from a sample of 2723.

Also out this week was the fortnightly Essential Research poll, which happily included the pollster’s monthly leadership ratings. These suggested that Scott Morrison’s rocky time in Glasgow may have done him some damage, with his approval rating down six to 48% and disapproval up five to 42%, while Anthony Albanese is respectively down one to 40% and up one to 35%. However, this hasn’t flowed through to preferred prime minister, on which Morrison leads 44-28, compared with 45-29 a month ago. Thirty-four per cent said they believed the government deserved to be elected, down two since the question was last asked in August, with 45% signing on for the alternative proposition that it was “time to give someone else a go”, up four.

The poll also finds 47% believe Scott Morrison has undermined Australia’s international reputation compared with 27% who believe he has enhanced it, with 54% rating a good international reputation as important and 39% rating it fairly important. An occasional question on trust in the parties to handle various issues, which interestingly finds the Coalition has taken a knock since September on national security, their lead over Labor down from 13% to 6%, and maintaining international relations, on which a 5% lead has turned into a 3% deficit. Movement on the other issues is slight but mostly negative for the Coalition.

There is better news for the government on COVID-19 management, which is rated good by 48% and poor by 29%, respectively up two and down two on a fortnight ago, and in both cases the best result the government has had since early June. From small state sub-samples, the Victorian government’s good rating is up from 43% to 56%, New South Wales is steady on 57% and Queensland is up three to 62%.

There are also questions on carbon emissions which you can see in the full report. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1089.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Steve777:

    Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 10:33 pm

    So in essence, you’re accusing nath of being a sheep… I tend to think your evidence thereof is found to be wanting.

  2. SK,

    “App Temp didnt get above 2°C here”

    Well it’s 95% humidity, 24° and app temp above 28° here, at 9:45pm. Don’t think app temp has dropped below 20° in a week.

    Still, I don’t want to swap with you.

  3. Quick Bubsy Update, Day #13

    Bubsy is still healthy and well. He is eating his powdered cockroaches like a good bird, as well as his mince.

    He eats 35% of his body weight per day, that is about 30 grams, plus whatever water he drinks. His weight has increased from 70 grams to 92 grams in a fortnight.

    His tail feathers are now quite a respectable 60mm long, up from a very stubby 10mm when I first picked him up from the ground in the back lane a fortnight ago.

    His flying is quite good, but obviously a bit clumsy as he is still a juvenile and hasn’t had a real chance to flex his wings outside.

    He can now both exit and enter the hatch in the top of his cage, drink water by himself and has even caught one of the crickets we bought him from the pet shop. Two other crickets got away, and of course they never quit chirping, from somewhere in the laundry. At times we have butcherbird calls, crickets, and when our friend calls ’round with her miniature poodle puppy, dog whimpering. The pup must think we keep a warehouse full of squeaky toys here for her.

    After the rain stops, we’re going to give Bubsy outside flying practice, praying of course that he doesn’t get caught 90 feet up a tree.

    Until then he follows a routine, sleeping either in his cage, on my head, or on the ceiling fan. It’s almost “normality”.

    Amen to that.

  4. BB

    Why are there still covid cases up there in the Mid Coast LGA, given that in theory the whole area is 90+ vaccinated?

    Is there any local gossip as to how its spreading and among who?

  5. Shocking sats dear Cud:

    [‘Vaccine rollout:

    NSW

    90.6% fully vaccinated’ 94.1% first dose

    National

    81.9% fully vaccinated; 89.9% first dose’]

  6. The stats posted just now are not too bad. As a percentage of those eligible to catch and spread Covid, about 77% of Australians will be fully vaccinated by the end of the week, higher than most countries: https://covidlive.com.au/nsw

    What is shocking is that in mid June, on the eve of the current outbreak and four months into a vaccination program that started two months late, only 3% of Australians were fully vaccinated and 18% partially vaccinated. You need to delve into publicly available data, you won’t find that in the mainstream media.

  7. Steve

    And if we’d not had Brendan Murphy putting all our eggs into the AstraZeneca Basket we might have had a vaccination program beginning in earnest last Xmas. Meaning we could have had zero covid all year and had the luxury of learning from what happened in the rest of the world.

    You’ll notice also how we’re quietly dropping Astra Zeneca for the booster program. They know its a weaker vaccine but they can never say so.

    As for the stats not being too bad. Australia is currently at 67% fully vaccinated and 75% at least one dose. That’s of the population as a whole. The countries that are coping reasonably well with covid are all 80+ %. And there’s even those that are over 80% and still having a serious outbreak (notably Singapore). I think at this rate we will get into the mid 80s, but only after we vaccinated the 5+ group and of course that’s another thing we’ve unnecessarily delayed.

    We also need to get smarter – vaccines alone wont’ get R under 1.0. And the messaging being put out – especially by the media – is leading us into a trap. The message is “if you all get vaccinated, everything will be fine”. R crept over 1.0 in NSW today. May not stay that way. Might go down again. But unless we get smarter and also tolerate some restrictions and permanent behaviour changes, it will go back over 1.0 and then the fun begins again..

  8. “43 of Labor’s lower house members are 50 years of age or older. Only 6 are under 40 years of age.

    Maybe that explains the lack of passion?”

    @Lars Von Trier

    This comment is bullshit. That having more younger people in parliament means more passionate politicians.

    Actually Lars Von Trier your wrong. The model of a young person after uni becoming a electoral officier and then a Mp with no broad life experience at 25 doesn’t make more passionate MPs in parliament or better MPs either.

    In fact if anything this has turned the public off politics to some extent with critics accusing both Major parties of having career politcians in their ranks. The Greens are no exception with Sarah Hanson Young elected to the senate at the age of 25.

  9. It’s also wrong to equate youth with passion. Only an idiot would try and make that broad assertion. There are some young people who have no passion. There are some young people who are brimming with passion. There are some old people for whom the passion flame never goes out. And there are some old people for whom a quiet life is what they look forward to in their retirement.

    Anyway, as we know, nothing that Lars von Liberal tries on here is ever without oleaginous malign intent. Not to mention that a truism in today’s Australian politics stands out like dog’s bollocks: That an Australian Prime Minister who runs around like a chook with its head cut off, who has escaped from his chook shed at Kirribilli House, does not equate to passionate seriousness in the job.

  10. It looks like Boris Johnson has lit the fuse on the Northern Ireland powder keg:

    A bus has been set on fire after it was hijacked by four masked men on the outskirts of Belfast.

    The men boarded the double-decker bus in Church Road near Rathcoole in Newtownabbey, County Antrim, at about 7.45pm on Sunday, ordered passengers to get off and set it alight.

    The latest act of violence comes less than a week after another bus was burnt out by masked men in a loyalist area of Newtownards, County Down, sparking fresh fears of Brexit-related violence in the region.

    … Violence also broke out twice last week in west Belfast between youths from the nationalist Springfield Road and loyalist Shankill Road.

    Following a protest against the Northern Ireland protocol, police were attacked with missiles and fireworks on Wednesday and Friday night.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/07/northern-ireland-bus-hijacked-and-set-alight-on-outskirts-of-belfast

    Good work, BoJo the Brexit Bozo!

  11. It’s not a fait accompli wrt nuclear reactors, Sceptic. In fact, in the body of that story that you linked to is this:

    Energy economist Bruce Mountain said in September he expected the submarine announcement would reignite the decades-old debate over nuclear power in some quarters, but that wind and solar were now the cheapest sources of energy and nuclear remained by far the most expensive.

    And this:

    But Prime Minister Scott Morrison has said Australia would not build new nuclear plants, and will continue to meet all nuclear non-proliferation obligations.

    Morrison knows that the issue is political kryptonite. Anyway, I still think that Australians may eventually be persuaded to accept Thorium-fueled Pebble Bed Nuclear Reactors, once proof of concept is established (if ever). They are safer and we have the 2nd largest deposit in the world of Thorium.

    On the other hand I don’t think they will ever be necessary if Labor gets elected federally and does the work required to bring Renewables into the grid effectively.

  12. Steve777 says:
    Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:54 pm
    Nath, I see that you have reverted to your old screen name. Unlike me, you are apparently very engaged in the internal machinations of the Labor Party in spite of your disdain for that fine institution. Are you engaged in Opposition research fir the Liberals? Do you post details of your findings here, appropriately spun, for… what purpose? In the hope that the Labor supporters here see the light and convert to the One True Broad Church. Or perhaps to arouse despondency and cynicism among them and blunt their devotion to the party?
    —————
    You seem to me to be one of the more reasonable contributors here. Therefore I don’t understand this position. This is a political blog. Is it that you feel the information is incorrect? If not, then what is it about the information that prompts you to object to it being provided? Would you object to similar information being provided about other political parties?

    If it’s that the information makes you feel uncomfortable or is uninteresting to you, you can always scroll past. Partisan ranting of any type is uninteresting to me and I find that scrolling past works quite well. Calling on its practitioners to stop making contributions I find boring would be unlikely to work in my view – and frankly if people get their jollies from a puerile “four legs good, two legs bad” mindset, so long as I can scroll past, why would I care?

  13. Morning all. Vale F W De Klerk, the South African leader who had the courage to release Mandela and end apartheid.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/frederik-willem-de-klerk-dies-at-85/100614508

    As for Rolls Royce and mini-nuclear reactors, they have cheek even raising the prospect. Expensive and totally unnecessary for us. Also there is no security restriction on selling the technology, hence it has nothing to do with AUKUS. And it would still be a brach of the NNPT, which is not affected by AUKUS.

    With research already well under way into the next generation of high density batteries that will not need Lithium, hence not be resource supply constrained, nuclear will not be a significant technology in our lifetime, outside subs.

    And as usual, the first person to suggest mini nuclear reactors should be asked: “In which suburb, in what electorate, do you propose to put it?”

  14. There’s something really rotten about NSW Police.

    One of Australia’s most senior policemen swayed the New South Wales government to reject a plan to protect Aboriginal communities, before this year’s spiralling COVID-19 outbreak in which at least 15 Aboriginal people have died.

    The ABC understands that NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant last year approved a draft public health order to give any remote community the right to choose to go into a strict lockdown, restricting movement in and out of their towns.

    That order would have matched federal emergency laws, under which police and the army were deployed to help restrict access to most of Australia’s remote communities.

    The biosecurity measures were adopted in Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and the Northern Territory, deeming remote communities critically vulnerable and a priority in the pandemic response.

    However, a leaked email reveals NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Gary Worboys — who controls the state’s COVID-19 response — opposed the NSW plan to match the national measures because he said they were “impossible” to police.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-12/nsw-police-opposed-covid-plan-to-protect-aboriginal-communities/100606756

  15. Good morning Dawn Patrollers

    Shane Wright tells us about the somewhat explosive opinion aired on the “Pork and Ride” program by former NSW auditor-general Tony Harris who said that he was convinced the promised car parks were motivated by “electoral concerns”, potentially putting them in breach of federal law and if we had an ICAC it would amount to corruption.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/car-park-fund-just-taxpayers-money-in-a-lolly-jar-senate-committee-hears-20211111-p5980p.html
    Paul Karp also writes on this subject.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/11/car-parks-scheme-would-amount-to-corruption-if-federal-watchdog-existed-ex-nsw-auditor-general-says
    David Crowe writes that there is a simple reason this week has looked so much like an election campaign. It is an election campaign – a very long one, lasting all the way to election day some time from March to May. It has been frenzied, effective and utterly shameless. Crowe examines Morrison’s style and concludes by saying, “Labor mocks the “meaningless slogans” of this week’s campaign blitz. But mocking them is not the same as beating them.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/cry-freedom-morrison-gambles-on-election-reward-for-life-after-lockdown-20211111-p5986w.html
    The PM’s ‘can-do’ climate capitalism won’t work without a price on carbon, argue Rosiland Dixon and Richard Holden.
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/the-pm-s-can-do-climate-capitalism-won-t-work-without-a-price-on-carbon-20211111-p597zl.html
    Prime Minister Scott Morrison says his motto is “can-do capitalism” and not “don’t do government”. It is an ideological over-simplification posits the SMH editorial that makes the point to both parties that better government beats big or small government
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/better-government-beats-big-or-small-government-20211111-p5986j.html
    Embarrassed by reversing direction on electric cars, Scott Morrison is trying to conflate federal Labor with the power-addicted, micro-managing premiers, writes Phil Coorey. He says that Morrison has been laying a trap but “for the trap to work, Labor has to walk into it. So far, Albanese is having none of it. He sees it as a sign of desperation from an increasingly desperate foe.”
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/desperate-pm-driven-to-can-do-capitalism-scare-20211111-p597xy
    Coorey also writes that an increasingly vicious war of words between Scott Morrison and Labor is set to intensify today with the Prime Minister set to claim the Opposition is the enemy of manufacturing.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-and-morrison-trade-blows-as-scare-campaign-escalates-20211111-p5987m
    Michelle Grattan reckons Scott Morrison has had a bingle or two on the campaign trail.
    https://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-scott-morrison-has-a-bingle-or-two-on-the-campaign-trail-171678
    Richard Holden writes that marketing is getting in the way of markets that could get us to net-zero.
    https://theconversation.com/vital-signs-marketing-is-getting-in-the-way-of-markets-that-could-get-us-to-net-zero-171602
    Scott Morrison is betting voters will settle for plans over performance, writes Richard Denniss who says, “Scott Morrison thrives in the empty space between three-year terms and 30-year plans. Whether it is climate change, nuclear submarines or budget repair – it is no accident the prime minister with the shortest planning horizon in living memory is our greatest announcer of long-run plans.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/11/audacity-of-hype-scott-morrison-is-betting-voters-will-settle-for-plans-over-performance
    United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres says the goal of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius is “on life support” as UN climate talks enter their final days but he adds that “until the last moment, hope should be maintained”.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/12/un-chief-global-warming-goal-life-support/?breaking_live_scroll=1
    Melbourne Institute research found that while there might be a short-term hike in cost, countries whose governments implement strong environmental regulations reap the productivity rewards and economic growth in the long term.
    https://johnmenadue.com/tough-environment-policies-are-good-for-the-economy/
    Is green hydrogen yet another spin with catastrophic consequences for the environment? Sue Arnold looks behind the greenwash to find wide-scale plans for logging for wood-chips.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/green-hydrogen-masks-mammoth-plans-to-wood-chip-forests/
    Kaye Lee writes about “talking crap the Morrison way.”
    https://theaimn.com/talking-crap-the-morrison-way/
    Michael Pascoe says that Paul Keating on Wednesday brought independent thought, an appreciation of history, a sense of geography and a grasp of the much bigger picture to a national stage more commonly reduced to three-word slogans, blatant lies and short-term distractions.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2021/11/12/michael-pascoe-china-paul-keating/
    Former prime minister Paul Keating’s National Press Club address showed just how badly awry Australia’s policies on Asia have gone, explains John Menadue.
    https://johnmenadue.com/keatings-speech-is-a-teaching-moment-in-a-fraught-relationship-with-china/
    But James Patterson has come out with an op-ed decrying Keating’s contribution at the NPC.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/simply-foul-and-morally-vacuous-if-keating-had-his-way-we-d-cast-aside-24-million-free-people-20211111-p5983g.html
    Nick McKenzie tells us that detectives in Victoria Police’s fraud squad urged force command to consider arresting and prosecuting up to 16 Andrews government MPs over the “red shirts” rorting affair, according to highly sensitive internal police briefings, but their plan was knocked back by senior officers.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/police-were-prevented-from-arresting-labor-mps-over-red-shirts-rort-documents-20211111-p5984j.html
    Like Reagan and Gorbachev, Biden and Xi can unite when it matters, writes Matthew Knott after yesterday’s announcement at COP26.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/like-reagan-and-gorbachev-biden-and-xi-can-unite-when-it-matters-20211111-p597xx.html
    A climate change agreement between the United States and China is a significant step in terms of easing tensions between the superpowers, analysts say, while the Australian government expresses hope that, at a minimum, China will start helping to reduce global emissions and commit to net zero by 2050.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/surprise-us-china-climate-deal-is-about-more-than-emissions-20211111-p597xz
    Paul Sakkal writes that Adem Somyurek had his most uncomfortable day in the IBAC witness box on Thursday, the same day the agency’s commissioner made his most important declaration about the probe’s scope.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/ibac-commissioner-gets-tough-knocks-back-calls-for-andrews-to-appear-20211111-p59823.html
    Six weeks after losing the party leadership, Michael O’Brien is facing another challenge, this time from a councillor aligned with former attorney-general Tim Smith.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/dumped-liberal-leader-michael-o-brien-facing-preselection-threat-20211111-p5988c.html
    In a string of defamation lawsuits, Coalition MPs Barilaro, Dutton, Porter, Laming and others have let loose on citizens to suppress loose tongues, writes managing editor Michelle Pini.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/kings-of-defamation-porter-laming-barilaro-dutton-et-al,15737
    In a signal he expects MPs to be respectful regardless of differing views, Mr Perrottet will take the unorthodox step of being the first government speaker to respond to the bill and argue against it, writes Alexandra Smith.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/perrottet-to-start-government-debate-on-voluntary-assisted-dying-bill-20211111-p5984o.html
    Sixteen people have died while in Australia on the government’s troubled seasonal workers program since the beginning of the pandemic. The figures have come to light as the scheme faces widespread accusations of exploitation and “inhumane conditions”, as well as a potential class action, reports Cait Kelly.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/sixteen-deaths-in-australias-troubled-seasonal-workers-program-since-pandemic
    The introduction of an agricultural visa will not end the abuse and exploitation of vulnerable migrant workers, writes Abul Rizvi.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/new-visa-for-migrant-farm-workers-could-turbocharge-exploitation,15732
    Andrew Charlton warns us that we are already behind on our Christmas shopping.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/warning-you-are-already-behind-on-your-christmas-shopping-20211111-p597yq.html
    Rob Harris reports that seven Australian-owned food and beverage companies will share in more than $33 million in federal funding to unlock new manufacturing opportunities, boost production, and create more jobs across the country. Does that sound a bit like picking winners?
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-boosts-food-manufacturing-through-33m-innovation-grants-20211111-p59878.html
    Transport Minister Rob Stokes has also not ruled out privatising the harbour bridge and tunnel crossings, two of the last publicly owned toll roads in Sydney.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/new-tolls-on-horizon-for-harbour-bridge-and-tunnel-documents-reveal-20211111-p5986f.html
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    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/victoria/pandemic-bill-not-perfect-but-does-improve-transparency-accountability-20211111-p5982t.html
    Anna Patty tells us that up to 2000 health workers risk losing their jobs for not being vaccinated against COVID-19 with paramedics, nurses and doctors who have been stood down expected to explain why they have not got a shot.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/hundreds-of-health-workers-at-risk-of-job-loss-over-covid-19-jabs-20211111-p5983v.html
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    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/my-sincere-apology-icare-will-pay-back-38-million-to-53-000-injured-workers-20211111-p597zv.html
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    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/12/any-less-water-in-murray-darling-system-means-armageddon-for-south-australia-conservationist-says
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    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/surprise-inflation-jump-disastrous-news-for-joe-biden-and-democrats-20211111-p597w7.html
    The highest US inflation rate since 1982 may force the Federal Reserve Board to accelerate its “tapering” of asset purchases and bring forward interest rate rises, explains Stephen Bartholomeusz.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/us-inflation-hits-new-record-forcing-the-fed-to-rethink-its-strategy-20211111-p5981q.html
    Terry McCrann goes in stronger, saying, “US inflation is bad … the Fed is much worse”.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/markets/us-inflation-is-bad-the-fed-is-much-worse/news-story/8f77707148c163ab0607d5e8279021dd
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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/11/brexit-trade-war-eu-boris-johnson-europe-labour
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    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/measles-will-be-back-after-22-million-babies-miss-their-shots-who-20211111-p59872.html
    Adam Carey reports that Aquinas College, one of Melbourne’s largest Catholic schools, is yet to rectify the unpaid superannuation it owes to hundreds of staff members, past and present.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unconscionable-aquinas-leaves-staff-hanging-over-unpaid-super-20211111-p597y8.html
    Donald Trump has been scrambling this week to make a last-ditch legal bid to block the release on Friday of sensitive White House records related to the deadly 6 January insurrection at the US Capitol, reports David Smith. The National Archives, a federal agency that holds presidential files, is poised to give congressional investigators hundreds of pages and other material, such as video clips, that Trump wants to keep secret.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/11/donald-trump-white-house-records-court-capitol-attack

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  16. Ian Farquhar
    @ianbfarquhar

    Just a reminder: when you see multiple “commentators” attacking Keating’s speech on China, remember that what he said specifically undermined the “national security” messaging the coalition is taking to the next election. That’s why he is under attack.

  17. The PM’s ‘can-do’ climate capitalism won’t work without a price on carbon

    Because, isn’t that the essence of Capitalism? Putting a price on things?

  18. @KymLouiseC
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    9h
    James Paterson referring to Keating’s comments as morally vacuous on #QandA is probably the clearest example of psychological projection I could ever witness.

  19. Re Max @7:01 AM

    Is it that you feel the information is incorrect? I’m generally not in a position to know. I expect that where facts are provided, they are likely to be true but spun to give a desired impression, rather like stuff in a Murdoch tabloid.

    If not, then what is it about the information that prompts you to object to it being provided? I do not object. Just curious about why and to what purpose.

    Would you object to similar information being provided about other political parties? No

    If it’s that the information makes you feel uncomfortable or is uninteresting to you, you can always scroll past. Of course. If I find something offensive, tedious or uninteresting, I scroll past.

    Partisan ranting of any type is uninteresting to me and I find that scrolling past works quite well. I have to admit I indulge in the odd partisan rant from time to time. They can be interesting and/or amusing and of course the scroll wheel or equivalent is always there.

    Calling on its practitioners to stop making contributions I find boring I have not intentionally done that except possibly in cases where the contributor has been offensive or abusive, which isn’t the case here.

    would be unlikely to work in my view Most unlikely

    and frankly if people get their jollies from a puerile “four legs good, two legs bad” mindset, so long as I can scroll past, why would I care? Fair enough.

  20. ‘Sadly it is’.

    The chair of the Centre for Public Integrity, former Supreme Court judge Anthony Whealy QC, said the way the program allocated money would constitute corruption under the ICAC Act.

    He said the government got away with the program largely because there were no consequences for breaching the ministerial code overseen by the Prime Minister.

    “If you’re in government you can get away with it, why wouldn’t you do it? You might win an election,” he said.

    Asked if the commuter car park fund could be repeated in the coming election, Mr Whealy said: “Sadly it is.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/car-park-fund-just-taxpayers-money-in-a-lolly-jar-senate-committee-hears-20211111-p5980p.html

    Labor just need to identify new pork in real time and say that if there was a federal ICAC this would face scrutiny.

  21. Is James Paterson an example of these “fresh new faces” in preference to the “tired old political hacks”? Heaven forbid.

  22. https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/xi-jinping-cements-his-future-by-rewriting-history-20211111-p5987i.html

    Xi seems to be at the height of his powers and dominance, but as they say once you have hit the top, there’s only one direction to go. There has been speculation in recent weeks about his not having set foot outside China in nearly two years. While COVID is the obvious explanation it hasn’t stopped other world leaders travelling. There’s been some suggestion that he needs to stay home in order to keep his enemies close.

  23. Polly Hemming
    @pollyjhemming
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    48m
    The Clean Energy Regulator has accidentally revealed that at least another 10% of Australian carbon credits are hot air. These are the credits that @originenergy uses to claim that that its LPG and electricity are certified carbon neutral. #climate

    ***
    @TheAusInstitute analysis recently showed that 25% of credits from other carbon credit methods are already hot air. So now we’re getting up to over a third of carbon credits in Australia not representing real abatement.

  24. “Nick McKenzie tells us that detectives in Victoria Police’s fraud squad urged force command to consider arresting and prosecuting up to 16 Andrews government MPs over the “red shirts” rorting affair, according to highly sensitive internal police briefings, but their plan was knocked back by senior officers”
    _____________________
    Wow. That’s massive.

  25. lizzie at 8:00 am

    Is James Paterson an example of these “fresh new faces” in preference to the “tired old political hacks”? Heaven forbid.

    He’s the fresh young ‘old fogie’ to replace the old ‘old fogies’ . A few years back Mordor Media was quite excited for a while about the rise of ‘young fogies’ . They thought it was wonderful. Wee James was of course one of the ‘stars’ :barf:

  26. Many people, including journalists, are reasoning that Scotty is now blatantly campaigning on public money. He will naturally ignore all criticism. But is there no person, no agency, no law that can stop him?

  27. Steve777 says:
    Friday, November 12, 2021 at 7:55 am
    Re Max @7:01 AM
    Fair enough Steve. I would differ in that I didn’t and don’t read any “Murdoch spin” in that material. I also don’t know much about the factional dynamics of the ALP or other parties. For me, that information provides insight that I otherwise wouldn’t have.

    The motivation that any contributor to PB might have for posting such information isn’t very interesting to me, given that the “motivation” of many/most contributors here is quite transparent anyway -ie to say stuff favourable about their preferred political party and negative stuff about their non-preferred political parties. And it’s not as if anyone, at any time in the illustrious history of PB will have had their political preferences changed by the zillions of words posted here anyway.

  28. Taylormade says:
    Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:05 am
    “Nick McKenzie tells us that detectives in Victoria Police’s fraud squad urged force command to consider arresting and prosecuting up to 16 Andrews government MPs over the “red shirts” rorting affair, according to highly sensitive internal police briefings, but their plan was knocked back by senior officers”
    _____________________
    Wow. That’s massive.
    ———————————-
    It is disturbing on its face: the full article is a little more nuanced.

  29. Thanks BK. “Can-do Capitalism” is a lie of epic proportions. Morrison has spent his whole career in government funded jobs for tourist agencies and then as an MP. He routinely ignores market mechanisms.

    On the same day Morrison referred to “Can-do Capitalism” we see this story of taxpayer money being given to private interests without any tender process.
    “ Rob Harris reports that seven Australian-owned food and beverage companies will share in more than $33 million in federal funding to unlock new manufacturing opportunities, boost production, and create more jobs across the country. Does that sound a bit like picking winners?”
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-boosts-food-manufacturing-through-33m-innovation-grants-20211111-p59878.html

    With Morrison it is not “Can-do Capitalism” but “Robber-baron Feudalism”. Liberal donors are the robber barons.

  30. On Keating, I like his speeches and respect his intellect. He is not a coward in calling it as he sees it. But I disagree with him on China. Tings have changed since Xi took power, because Xi is a militarist dictator engaged in an arms race. There is no point appeasing such people.

    Also Keating said the Australian subs were like toothpicks. But that ignores regional cooperation. There is also Quad as well as AUKUS. Combined, Australia, India, Japan, UK and USA could deter China. Alone we could be picked off.

  31. lizzie @ #114 Friday, November 12th, 2021 – 8:20 am

    The claim that COVID-19 death counts are over-inflated has been a regular go-to for conspiracy theorists and lockdown opponents throughout the pandemic.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/dying-of-covid-or-with-it-pathologists-take-on-conspiracy-theorists-20211111-p5982e.html?

    Whereas, journals of record, like the New York Times, estimate that, if anything, the numbers of deaths from COVID-19 have been underestimated and the true figure is more likely to be around the 20 million mark if you take into account all the countries that didn’t possess the health economic infrastructure to report effectively the number of people that died in their countries.

  32. Socrates @ #113 Friday, November 12th, 2021 – 8:19 am

    On Keating, I like his speeches and respect his intellect. He is not a coward in calling it as he sees it. But I disagree with him on China. Tings have changed since Xi took power, because Xi is a militarist dictator engaged in an arms race. There is no point appeasing such people.

    Also Keating said the Australian subs were like toothpicks. But that ignores regional cooperation. There is also Quad as well as AUKUS. Combined, Australia, India, Japan, UK and USA could deter China. Alone we could be picked off.

    +1

    Welcome to the ‘Sinophobes’ and ‘You should resign from Labor’ club, Soc. 😀

    Or, as I like to see it, the independent and rational thinkers group. 😉

  33. simon holmes à court @simonahac

    i’m embarrassed for @JoshFrydenberg. truly.

    he’s been calling @climate200 donors — disclosed on our website — trying to heavy them into withdrawing support.

    yep, as well as interfering in the employment arrangements of his ‘political enemies’ he finds time to call our donors.

  34. Kaye Lee should be writing slogans for Labor …

    “All pamphlet and no policy, no care taken and no responsibility accepted, fiddle the numbers and pretend you’ve made progress, be indignant whenever your lies are exposed, and ALWAYS blame others – that’s the Morrison Way.”

    Thanks BK as always: https://theaimn.com/talking-crap-the-morrison-way/

    And while I’m typing, who would pay to see PJK v Patterson ?

  35. @Taylormade
    I don’t know about the veracity of the “revelations” about the “red shirts” affair but if it’s true , Victorians have no options but to vote against both major Parties come next State elections. It appears both Parties are mired in mud and dirt , backed up by pure hypocrisy.
    The implications for the idea expressed succinctly by Lincoln in 1863 appear frightening.
    The first step toward rescuing government of the People is to demand real, effective laws of transparency and accountability on all our politicians, from LGAs to Federal.
    Putting politicians in charge of that has been shown, as the Coalition’s universally- decried proposals for a Federal ICAC and the SA Government’s equally toothless attempt , as nothing but pure evasion of accountability.
    One small step towards that goal can be taken with the Federal election in 2022.
    It may be that just one step, but the longest of journeys begin with one small step.

  36. Luke Henriques-Gomes@lukehgomes
    Scott Morrison asked by Neil Mitchell if he’s ever told a lie in public life. “I don’t believe I have, no.”

    This is not the only strange belief that Scotty holds.

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