Around the traps

As the government approaches the middle of its term, the first sighting of early election speculation in the wild.

Dennis Shanahan of The Australian reckons “two basic assumptions are driving the economic and political debate in 2021”, and that one of these is that there will be an election late next year. The other is that COVID-19 restrictions will start to ease in the coming months; “neither is certain”. The government’s election window opens in the middle of the year, at which point the Senators given six-year terms after the 2016 double dissolution will enter the final year of the terms, the period in which the half-Senate election to replace them may be held.

That will do as a kick-off for a new open thread, which is needed because there are so many other posts flying around at the moment. For convenience, these include:

• Adrian Beaumont’s New Zealand live election count post, which will begin in earnest when polls close at 7pm New Zealand time and 5pm Australian eastern daylight time – to be followed an hour later by my own live commentary post on the Australian Territory election. And if you’re a Crikey subscriber, you can read my collective preview of the two here.

• Also from Adrian Beaumont, a review of the US situation.

• A post on a Newspoll result showing Labor leading 52-48 in Queensland.

• Another post on the Queensland campaigning detailing relevant recent developments.

• A post on a Ten News uComms poll from New South Wales showing strong support for Gladys Berejiklian.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

1,347 comments on “Around the traps”

Comments Page 17 of 27
1 … 16 17 18 … 27

  2. Victoria @ #796 Sunday, October 18th, 2020 – 9:43 pm

    Frednk

    The Murdoch stable are a toxic disgusting brew.

    Check this out from a fellow traveller

    Exclusive interview with Steve Bannon on my show on
    @SkyNewsAust
    at 6pm today. Bannon has big breaking news on the Hunter Biden emails, plus he speaks about the US election and Donald Trump’s plans post 2020. Tune in at 6pm!
    @WarRoomPandemic

    Sky News Australia
    @SkyNewsAust
    · 2h
    EXCLUSIVE: Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, contacted a shop owner who had the computer for repairs, in an effort to “get it back” according to former chief strategist to President Trump Steve Bannon.
    https://skynewsaust.page.link/GL92

    And a very pertinent follow up from Matt Bevan

    Matt Bevan
    @MatthewBevan
    ·
    1h
    Hi
    @SharriMarkson
    , just wondering if you can send me a link to the part of your Steve Bannon interview where you let your audience know that the man making unsubstantiated claims on your air is currently under indictment for allegedly being part of a massive fraud scheme?

    Jesus this stuff is tawdry. And tired. I’m with Matt Bevan. Shari should show people the proof, not just let a professional political conman and hitman mouth his lies.

  3. During Barrett’s confirmation hearing she was asked whether there’s case law that is inviolate, in other words, super stare decisis. She answered yes, giving the example of Brown v. The Board of Education, a landmark 1954 Supreme Court case in which racial segregation of children in public schools was held to be unconstitutional. She was further asked whether Roe v. Wade held a similar status, to which she replied no. When asked to elaborate, she was hard-pressed. Little wonder given she ticked every box of the Federalist Society’s checklist. She also claimed she’s an originalist, but couldn’t name the five freedoms in the First Amendment. This woman’s nomination on the SCOTUS is a sham. In Biden’s town hall on Thursday, he indicated that he would decide before the election as to whether he’ll expand the SCOTUS bench. He must do so, for I fear that Barrett will on November 10 join the other conservatives to strike down the ACA, and that’s only the start of her agenda to attempt to reshape the American polity in her personal vision.


  5. Zerlo says:
    Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 10:03 pm
    Btw, nobody cares about the emails, for one too late in the campaign (2 weeks to go!).

    Been done before. This just reminds all, it’s been done before.

  7. Mavis,
    There’s a new tack going around legal circles in the US in relation to the SCOTUS. Similar to our own age limit for Justices, but different, in that what is being proposed is an 18 year term limit, so the court gets refreshed regularly, starting with the two oldest Justices, Breyer and Thomas. That way, no party can put increasingly younger nominees up knowing they are there for life.

  8. Mavis,
    They say Senator Klobuchar was the one who managed to get under Coney Barratt’s skin and expose her true character. Senator Harris was not trying to put a foot wrong, for obvious reasons.

  11. The 18 year appointment is only to the Supreme Court. The judges keep their life appointments to the federal court with the honorium “Senior Federal Court Judge”. That is supposed to be a workaround the life appointment provision in the constitution.

  12. End of Saturday night

    Let’s start with the big picture. Labor’s overall vote appears to be entirely unchanged from 2016 at 38.4%; the Liberals are down from 36.7% to 33.4%; and the Greens are up from 10.3% to 13.5%.

    So no change in the Labor/Anti-Labor split. The shift is in the composition of the anti-Labor vote.

  13. C@tmomma

    “ Just listening to a podcast and they are describing Christian zealots as no better than jihadis from other religions. They just have found a more sophisticated way of achieving their fever swamp goals. Via politics.”
    ————
    That is a very weird, and quite immoral, false equivalence.

    Are you supporting the idea that “zealots” who seek to achieve their goals via politics are “no better” than a “jihadi” who slits a person’s throat because they don’t agree with his words?

    Isn’t politics the process for the peaceful resolution of competing views?

  14. C@tmomma:

    Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    As I understand it, any such move would only apply to new appointments. The easiest way the restore balance to the SCOTUS bench would be to expand it. And yes, Klobuchar did a forensic job on Barrett. Further, amendment to the US Constitution is quite cumbersome:

    [‘The amendment process is very difficult and time-consuming: A proposed amendment must be passed by two-thirds of both houses of Congress, then ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states’]

    – whereas, the appointment of extra associate judges is relatively easy if the president is a Democratic, and they control the Congress.

  16. Mavis @ #814 Sunday, October 18th, 2020 – 9:58 pm

    C@tmomma:

    Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    As I understand it, any such move would only apply to new appointments. The easiest way the restore balance to the SCOTUS bench would be to expand it. And yes, Klobuchar did a forensic job on Barrett. Further, amendment to the US Constitution is quite cumbersome:

    [‘The amendment process is very difficult and time-consuming: A proposed amendment must be passed by two-thirds of both houses of Congress, then ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states’]

    – whereas, the appointment of extra associate judges is relatively easy if the president is a Democratic, and they control the Congress.

    First do one (extra judges) then tempt everyone with the other (18 year limits)?

  18. Rakali @ #810 Sunday, October 18th, 2020 – 7:57 pm

    C@tmomma

    “ Just listening to a podcast and they are describing Christian zealots as no better than jihadis from other religions. They just have found a more sophisticated way of achieving their fever swamp goals. Via politics.”
    ————
    That is a very weird, and quite immoral, false equivalence.

    Are you supporting the idea that “zealots” who seek to achieve their goals via politics are “no better” than a “jihadi” who slits a person’s throat because they don’t agree with his words?

    Isn’t politics the process for the peaceful resolution of competing views?

    Those zealots playing politics often come from the same groups that perpetrate violence and are just seeking a veneer of respectability in which to push their views.

    This is little different to some other religions in other parts of the World.

  19. Asha Leu says:
    Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    That is an astonishingly dumb take even by your standards, Briefly.

    The Greens are an anti-Labor tribune. They ardently detest Labor. True story.

  20. Barney in Tanjung Bunga

    “Those zealots playing politics often come from the same groups that perpetrate violence and are just seeking a veneer of respectability in which to push their views.

    This is little different to some other religions in other parts of the World.”
    ———

    While it’s impossible to know what these generalities and vague guilt-by-association means, it sounds awfully like an “argument” that was peddled by an anti-Semite in Nazi Germany!

    If one adopted the same “logic” of bigotry one could, of course, use the same argument to condemn all the followers of a certain religion for the actions of a just few thousands.

    You seem to use the same bad logic of a zealot too.

  24. Rakali @ #820 Monday, October 19th, 2020 – 2:30 am

    Barney in Tanjung Bunga

    “Those zealots playing politics often come from the same groups that perpetrate violence and are just seeking a veneer of respectability in which to push their views.

    This is little different to some other religions in other parts of the World.”
    ———

    While it’s impossible to know what these generalities and vague guilt-by-association means, it sounds awfully like an “argument” that was peddled by an anti-Semite in Nazi Germany!

    If one adopted the same “logic” of bigotry one could, of course, use the same argument to condemn all the followers of a certain religion for the actions of a just few thousands.

    You seem to use the same bad logic of a zealot too.

    And you are attempting to use a very broad brush, plus Godwin’s Law, to condemn BiTB’s apt observation. If you haven’t reflected upon the actions of the most extreme Christian zealots, such as the murder of doctors who perform abortions, or the bombing of their clinics, then you aren’t thinking deeply enough about the issue.

  25. Donald Trump is F.I.T.H. :

    Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) on Saturday slammed President Trump’s rally in her state where people chanted “lock her up,” denouncing it as promoting “exactly the rhetoric that has put me, my family and other government officials’ lives in danger while we try to save the lives of our fellow Americans.”

    The chants — a familiar refrain deployed against political foes at Trump’s campaign events — came a little more than a week after authorities revealed a foiled plot to kidnap Whitmer, allegedly motivated in part by the belief that Michigan’s government was violating the Constitution with its coronavirus restrictions. Trump has repeatedly condemned Whitmer’s pandemic response as overly strict with calls to “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” and he reprised his criticisms at his Saturday campaign event in the swing state.

    “You have got to get your governor to open up your state, okay?” he said to huge cheers at the rally in Muskegon, Mich. “And get your schools open.” The crowd began to chant for Whitmer’s imprisonment, and Trump shook his head at one point but did not tamp them down.

    “Lock ’em all up,” he said, as the chants continued amid a sea of red hats.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/17/trump-biden-live-updates/#link-4I6JGLACQNB7NGCUXNLJU7ZL2A

  26. Norman Swan:
    The problem in Vic: the numbers reflect 5-10 days ago. The problem is that there are more unknown mystery cases than in NSW. Andrews is right to hold back.

  27. Angry Granny
    @AngryGranny1

    QLD Stephen Miles
    NSW Jodi McKay
    WA Mark McGowan

    Anyone else enjoying seeing this new round of Labor people that don’t put up with the LNP and MSM shite and bite back?

  29. Michael Pascoe has his say about Gladys’ puff piece yesterday:

    A tale of two Sunday papers: Murdoch’s Sunday Telegraph runs an exclusive soft interview with Gladys Berejiklian; Nine’s Sun Herald suggests the Premier stalled on a proposal for a political probity inspector.

    There’s nothing accidental about an exclusive interview with someone in the eye of a scandal. Gladys Berejiklian chose to give her story to the Telegraph’s Annette Sharp and chose to go further than she did in the ICAC hearing.

    It is a sad story that will add to the sympathy many – most – people have for Ms Berejiklian, the story of a person who felt betrayed by her lover.

    “A shattered Gladys Berejiklian has admitted she loved the man she had to sack ‘brutally’ from government in 2018, disgraced Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, and she had hoped to one day marry him,” Annette Sharp reports.

    And that is now the Premier’s biggest immediate problem.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/10/19/micahel-pascoe-gladys-berejiklian/

  31. Urban Wronski
    @UrbanWronski
    ·
    49s
    Andrew Leigh has written to more than 200 corporate giants, including Apple, McDonald’s and Microsoft, asking whether they have received JobKeeper and then used the money to pay shareholder dividends or executive bonuses.

    Are all the businesses complaining about the shutdown ineligible for Jobkeeper, or are they just anti-Andrews?

  32. Urban Wronski
    @UrbanWronski
    ·
    1m
    The Sydney Morning Herald reports that the “I’ve done nothing wrong” Berejiklian government handed out more than $250 million in council grants, almost all in Coalition-held seats, in the months leading up to the 2019 election without any signed paperwork.
    Crikey Worm

  34. Good morning Dawn Patrollers

    A pessimistic Ross Gittins tells us why this one-year, fold-away budget won’t do the trick.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/this-one-year-fold-away-budget-won-t-do-the-trick-20201018-p56668.html
    The Australian’s Newspoll has Labor in front 52/48 in Queensland.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/queensland-election-polls-back-labors-jobs-push/news-story/b39eaa3db58b61d25b11f1b8c018d817
    Jane Goodall writes, “Because it carries the assumption of immunity, Berejiklian’s moral hubris puts her in a high-risk category. Even while she was in the throes of dealing with the COVID-19 lockdown, she seems to have been unaware of the need for distancing in other ways.” She opines that the staff of ICAC, working invisibly in the background, may be the truer servants of the public good.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/gladys-berejiklian-s-icac-appearance-throws-light-on-dangerous-irony-20201018-p5668d.html
    And Michael Pascoe begins his contribution on the subject with, “A tale of two Sunday papers: Murdoch’s Sunday Telegraph runs an exclusive soft interview with Gladys Berejiklian; Nine’s Sun Herald suggests the Premier stalled on a proposal for a political probity inspector. But it is the soft interview that could cost Ms Berejiklian her job – or at least another appearance on the ICAC’s Daz and Glad Show – to explain exactly what sort of relationship she had with the former member for Wagga Wagga.”
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/10/19/micahel-pascoe-gladys-berejiklian/
    Alexandra Harris reveals that the Berejiklian government handed out more than $250 million in council grants, almost all in Coalition-held seats, in the months before last year’s election without any signed paperwork. Nice.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/coalition-faces-bruising-week-amid-premier-s-romance-and-grants-scandal-20201018-p5667v.html
    The pandemic has created Australia’s “sliding doors” moment with the nation now facing a smaller and older population shift, forever altering the future that may have been, writes Amy Remeikis.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/19/covid-rewrites-australias-future-with-huge-drop-in-population-signalling-challenges-ahead
    Kevin Rudd has pee=need an op-ed in the SMH to make the case for the royal commission on Murdoch’s influence that he has called for.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/murdoch-s-sway-on-politics-warrants-royal-commission-20201016-p565wc.html
    Rob Harris reports that Australia Post chairman Lucio Di Bartolomeo has turned down a series of invitations to front a Senate estimates hearing this week following a string of recent controversies at the scandal-plagued organisation. This mob need a rocket up ‘em!
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-post-chair-board-members-refuse-to-face-senate-estimates-grilling-20201018-p5669a.html
    Australia’s travel bubble with New Zealand may be about to pop just days into its operation, with two premiers furious after dozens of Kiwi visitors travelled on flights to states not signed up to the agreement.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/10/18/travel-bubble-nz-australia-burst/
    Daniel Andrews’ partial release from lockdown is designed to protect ALP core interest groups while seeking to placate an increasingly agitated community, writes The Australian’s John Ferguson.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/alp-ring-of-steel-protects-key-seats/news-story/b9bade268a6bf7c59ec2c2eb71e4e10f
    Information provided to the hotel quarantine inquiry by the Department of Health has contradicted Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton’s claim that he was not involved in the planning of Victoria’s hotel quarantine program, writes Richard Baker in The Age.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/sutton-and-health-department-split-over-public-health-role-in-hotels-20201018-p56689.html
    Victorians are getting their first taste of life out of lockdown on Monday after COVID lockdowns were eased, but Scott Morrison is still putting pressure on Daniel Andrews to open up faster, writes Josh Butler.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/10/18/morrison-victoria-lockdowns-andrews/
    The business community in Victoria is alarmed but not surprised by the lack of any real easing of restrictions for business in Dan Andrews’ big announcement on Sunday, write the new darling of Insider, Jennifer Hewett.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/andrews-keeps-business-locked-down-20201018-p5667t
    According to the AFR, The Commonwealth Bank has used individual agreements on an industrial scale to exclude up to half its workforce from enterprise agreement conditions, raising serious legal questions.
    https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/cba-s-mass-use-of-individual-agreements-raises-red-flag-20201018-p5664z
    Ben Butler tells us that Andrew Leigh has written to more than 200 big companies, including Apple, McDonald’s and Microsoft, asking them to reveal whether they have received jobkeeper subsidies and used the money to pay shareholder dividends or executive bonuses.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/19/labor-demands-200-big-companies-reveal-if-they-used-jobkeeper-to-pay-dividends
    Amanda Vanstone says that childcare should be built around the needs of parents, not childcare centres. She makes some interesting points.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/build-up-childcare-around-the-needs-of-parents-not-childcare-centres-20201016-p565wi.html
    Lisa Visentin and Nick Bonyhady tell us that Senator Andrew Bragg has denounced as “degrading and regrettable” calls for Chinese Australians to pledge their loyalty, adding to the controversy that embroiled his Liberal Party colleague Eric Abetz. Not Erica, surely!
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/degrading-liberal-senator-slams-loyalty-test-for-chinese-australians-20201018-p56687.html
    To cap off a year of bitter turmoil for Australians, people with disabilities and their carers have been left behind by the Morrison Government’s Budget, explains Naomi Fryers.
    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/federal-budget-offers-little-for-people-with-disabilities,14422
    Mining magnate Andrew Forrest has brought the iconic boot brand back to Australia – and the deal will see Hollywood superstar Hugh Jackman pocket a cool $10 million says Dominic Powell.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/payday-for-wolverine-as-andrew-forrest-acquires-rm-williams-20201018-p5666n.html
    David Crowe writes that a federal plan to impose a new security test on overseas investors has sparked a backlash from foreign and state governments that fear the laws would breach trade deals and cost jobs.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/foreginsecurity-test-sparks-fears-of-foreign-investment-backlash-20201018-p5668q.html
    A big Aussie bank, a gold company and individuals have been caught up in a major global tax evasion and money laundering investigation involving a shady Puerto Rican bank run by an American millionaire. A hundred Australians are caught up in this, apparently.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/westpac-mint-hundreds-of-australians-ensnared-in-global-tax-evasion-probe-20201015-p565la.html
    Michelle Rowland is concerned that we’re dealing away our media diversity.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6973306/were-dealing-away-our-media-diversity/?cs=14258
    Pre-workout, weight loss and recovery supplements popular with gymgoers and dieters could be taken off the shelves within weeks after the federal government reclassified many of them as medicines and effectively banned certain ingredients, advises Michael Koziol.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/sport-supplement-shake-up-to-follow-federal-government-intervention-20201016-p565nz.html
    Jacinda Ardern’s re-election poses questions for centre-right governments around the world about what voters want and expect from their leaders, writes James Massola.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/ardern-s-win-poses-questions-over-the-greens-and-challenges-for-the-centre-right-20201018-p5664m.html
    Former NZ MP, Pam Corkery, says she was a non-believer, but now she too wants a hug from Jacinda.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/i-was-a-non-believer-but-now-i-too-want-a-hug-from-jacinda-20201018-p56683.html
    Boris Johnson’s split from Brussels echoes Henry VIII’s break with Rome says Larry Elliott.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/18/boris-johnsons-split-from-brussels-echoes-henry-viiis-break-with-rome
    What if everyone is wrong – and Trump wins, wonders Bruce Wolpe.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/what-if-everyone-is-wrong-and-trump-wins-20201018-p5667f.html
    In news of great international moment and relevance, George Pell has held public mass in Rome for the10th anniversary of Mother Mary MacKillop’s canonisation. Tony Abbott was present to add to the gravity of the event.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/george-pell-holds-public-mass-in-rome-for-10th-anniversary-of-mother-mary-mackillops-canonisation/news-story/8dd101c6cefd9cecd10547b475cf81e8

    Cartoon Corner

    Peter Broelman

    David Rowe

    Jim Pavlidis

    John Shakespeare

    Matt Golding

    Glen Le Lievre


    Johannes Leak

    From the US



  36. Tony Koch (former News Ltd journo for 32 years)
    @TonyKoc69285191
    ·
    10m
    Well, isn’t The Australian newspaper something to be proud of with its coverage of, and predictions for, the NZ election. Has anybody ever got it so wrong? Sheridan is now just a sour old joke. Give it away pal, you have past your use-by date. #auspol

  37. On RN this morning, Norman Swan explaining the Covid difference between NSW and Vic, and Geraldine Doogue from Sydney saying, Yes, but – yes, but…

  40. Useful summary of the ACT election included in this piece..

    “The ACT election was a historic win for Labor, and an even bigger one for the Greens. Across the Tasman, the reverse: Labour won a landslide victory so complete it no longer needs the Greens to govern.

    Neither victory was a surprise, but their extent was. In the ACT’s case, that’s partly because media commentary (apart from Inside Story’s) ignored the only reputable opinion poll and last year’s federal election voting in assuming the Liberals had a strong chance of victory.

    Covid-19 certainly played a role in both Labo(u)r victories: it has demonstrated the importance of good government as nothing else has since the second world war, and that gave the parties in government an unequalled platform to demonstrate their competence — or otherwise.

    These two election outcomes add to the probability that Annastacia Palaszczuk will receive a similar endorsement from her voters on 31 October — and that Donald Trump will be turfed out for his incompetence in handling the virus when Americans vote four days later.”

    https://insidestory.org.au/will-the-liberals-ever-learn/

  41. @favfavalore
    · 13h
    So for the Australian pm to attend a party fund raiser…then lie to the country about his plane had a problem and miss an important meeting re pandemic is unforgivable…he could not care less about our lives and our safety.

    Where is the media coverage of this? Or are journos receiving threatening phone calls from the PMO?

  42. It’s been a long time between drinks. Daniel Andrews “a great Australian”. (despite being Victorian)
    It’s been too many (kool aid) drinks for some of the MSM. Not great Australians. (far too many to list)

  44. Chuckle.

    @brockathome
    ·
    2m
    Engineers the world over are in awe of Michael McCormack.
    How, they wonder, can something so thick also be so bent?

  45. ‘What if everyone is wrong – and Trump wins, wonders Bruce Wolpe.’
    ‘Everyone’ won’t be wrong. Will they.

    Mr Wolpe needs to have a chat with Mundo’s tutor, Dr Blind Freddie from the Tommy Institute, Dept. of the Bleeding Obvious.

  50. C@tmomma says:
    Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 8:26 pm

    “ And you are attempting to use a very broad brush, plus Godwin’s Law, to condemn BiTB’s apt observation. If you haven’t reflected upon the actions of the most extreme Christian zealots, such as the murder of doctors who perform abortions, or the bombing of their clinics, then you aren’t thinking deeply enough about the issue.”
    ————

    Oh dear, you seem to misunderstand my point. It had nothing to do with issue of whose terrorists are the “best”.

    It was in response to a statement by you which i find very troubling. That you have another poster that supports it is doubly troubling.

    You statement at 8:26 pm last night, included:

    “ Just listening to a podcast and they are describing Christian zealots as no better than jihadis from other religions. They just have found a more sophisticated way of achieving their fever swamp goals. Via politics.”

    My concern is the affirmation that, in a democracy, pursuing a policy agenda “via politics”is equivalent to the actions of terrorists.

    Such a belief undermines the very legitimacy of political democracy. Politics is the very process to resolve policy differences peacefully and to allow change without resorting to violence.

    In an environment where much of the main stream media and even more so right wing social media are undermining trust in government and public institutions, your nihilistic attitude is reprehensible and morally repugnant.

    I am not interested in nor supporting zealots of any persuasion: islamist, christian or woke.

Comments Page 17 of 27
1 … 16 17 18 … 27

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *