As reported by The Guardian, Essential Research has unusually conducted a new poll just a week after the last. This effectively replicates last week’s suite of questions on coronavirus to tie in with an online forum later today involving The Guardian’s Katharine Murphy and Essential Research’s Peter Lewis.
The results show a sharp rise in concern since last week, with 53% now saying they are very concerned, after the three previous fortnightly polls had it progressing from 25% to 27% to 39%. Only 18% now say they consider there has been an overreaction to the thread, down from 33% last week, while 43% now think the threat has been underestimated, up from 28%. These results imply little change to last week’s finding that 39% thought the response about right, though we will presumably have to await publication of the full report later today for a complete set of numbers. The poll also finds overwhelming support for the restrictive measures that have been taken. The rise in concern appears to have been matched by a decline in skepticism about media reportage, which 42% now say they trust, up from 35% last week.
Also out today is a Roy Morgan SMS poll on coronavirus, showing 43% support for the view that the federal government is handling the crisis well with 49% disagreeing — a rather weak result by international standards (it is noted that a similar poll in the United Kingdom a bit under a fortnight ago had it at 49% and 37%). This poll finds an even higher pitch of public concern than Essential, in that only 15% believed the threat to be exaggerated, with fully 81% disagreeing. Relatedly, 80% said they were willing to sacrifice some of their “human rights” to help prevent the spread of the virus (evidently having a somewhat different conception of that term from my own), with only 14% disagreeing. The poll was conducted on Saturday and Sunday from a sample of 988.
UPDATE: Full report from Essential Research here. The recorded increase in concern about the virus is not matched by a change in perceptions of the government’s handling of it, which 45% rate as good, unchanged on last week, and 31% rate as poor, up two. There is also a question on concern about climate change, which refutes the hopes of some conservative commentators in suggesting it has not been affected by the coronavirus crisis: 31% say they are more concerned than they were a year ago, 53% no more or less so, and 16% less concerned. However, the number of respondents saying Australia is not doing enough to address climate change is down from 60% in November to 55%, with doing enough up one to 23% and doing too much up one to 9%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1086.
Jolyon Wagg
Live by the sword – die by the sword. I look forward to the ALP taking appropriate action against their member. Apparently.
Victoria
Especially since Florida is where great hordes of US retirees have migrated to.A place full of prime candidates for “sub optimal outcomes” when it comes to the virus.
The fact that she appears to have done the honourable thing and reported herself and got herself independently verified should make it front page news. Politician does honourable thing!
Diamond Princess kept in quarantine = disaster
Ruby Princess not kept in quarantine = disaster
One thing to come out of this must be a rethink of how to handle epidemics on cruise ships
Dandy:
It’s not just are they working to reduce infections (they are, to some extent), nor is it currently under control (apparently it is), but:
a – can we have confidence that the risk we will lose control is acceptable (maybe)
b – what (if anything) can safely be relaxed so that real economic output can be restored without increasing the risk above acceptable (we don’t know)
c – how quickly can we detect risk rising to unacceptable levels, so as to implement course correction (currently this is determined by the long incubation period; too long to be useful)
The last is key, in my view: somehow get that down to a couple of days and there will be all sorts of pro-output measures that become feasible. We’re not close to that right now – at the moment the system is the world’s most ponderous feedback controller.
poroti,
I think the Orwellian term you are looking for is “resolved deceased.”
“Bucephalussays:
Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 2:57 pm
Blobitt
The WA Government is as on top of it as any government anywhere. Not only are our state borders closed but you cannot travel between regions within the State without good reason. The WA Police and Army have road blocks and are targeting rat runs off the main roads.”
I’m aware of that. If it starts spreading in the remote communities, now that there are cases, there are going to need to be plans in place to treat those people. That will need some planning. I hope it’s being done.
yeah all that too, EGT. I think I’ve hit my word quota for the day.
Bucephalus says:
Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:22 pm
Palaszczuk Has binned the Qld Public Service Pay Rise – she could see the October election looming.
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At a time when people are counting themselves fortunate to have secure jobs I think every public service should be binning pay rises if they can – Labor and Liberal. And not paying themselves either. I doubt an election comes into it – but right-wing warriors think everyone is as venal and political as they are.
Barney in Tanjung Bunga @ #1848 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 2:23 pm
I’m surprised there haven’t been more deaths in Florida. Maybe all the oldies are locked down in their condos and locked and loaded.
Victoria @ #1842 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 3:19 pm
This is the idiotic pass allowing government by religious nutter gets you into.
TPOF @ #1859 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 3:31 pm
Not to mention that not one RW government has similarly ordered its Public Service to take a pay harcut. Nor themselves either, for that matter.
One of the biggest child care providers ( Goodstart Learning) doesn’t qualify for the the latest pronouncement from Moses on childcare.
Policy on the hop ?
DM: “Jeez mate, if we were having this discussion over a beer, I’d be tempted to pour mine on your head right about now.”
Standard McKinseys behaviour in my experience.
Anyway, I probably would have already poured my beer over you in response to your condescending comments of earlier this afternoon. 🙂
“What we are doing seems to be helping so far, but the nature of the beast is that we can’t stop to rest on our laurels.”
Couldn’t agree more: indeed, if you read my response to It’s Time above, you’ll see that – given how many of our cases contracted the illness overseas – I consider the predictive value of our current statistics to be very limited. I actually enjoy reading the statistical posts made by you and others, but sometimes I beg to differ. I frequently get roasted for that, and sometimes I will dish something out in return (although I try very hard not to get personal). All in the interests of robust debate.
Recently converted socialist Comrade Tehan’s turned 180 degrees:
[‘If you want to know just how far this government has come on issues, just a year ago, this is what Dan Tehan had to say about Labor’s childcare subsidy election policy.
I mean this is a fast track to a socialist, if not communist economy. It is unheard of …
… When they say it is going to be free, taxpayers are paying for this.’]
In politics, it’s always best not to paint yourself into a corner; for who knows, there could be a virus around the corner. But young Dan’s always been a few cards short of a deck.
Bucephalus says:
Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:25 pm
Jolyon Wagg
Live by the sword – die by the sword. I look forward to the ALP taking appropriate action against their member. Apparently.
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When you have screamingly corrupt Liberal politicians infesting all levels of Australian government, with the occasional one being put through the pretence of a slap on the wrist, I think she should actually be allowed to keep the money! Perhaps she should take lessons from Angus Taylor on how to fess up properly and do the right thing.
meher baba @ #1849 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 3:24 pm
I don’t agree with several of your other recent posts, but I do agree with this one.
The only figures worth looking at are the ones for “local transmission”, and while these numbers are worrying, they are also too low to be statistically useful yet.
“Am I alone in thinking …”
Pretty much.
C@tmomma @ #1824 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 12:03 pm
I said tempted, MB 🙂
This is what they do in Chennai South India if you are caught on the road without a valid reason courtesy of “The Hindu” newspaper.
”From March 24 till date, the police have booked over 2,000 persons for flouting prohibitory orders. Cases were filed against those who were roaming around unnecessarily and many were made to do squats on the middle of the road.”
Oakeshott Country @ #1854 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 2:27 pm
As if norovirus has never happened on a cruise ship.
Bucephalus
The amount that the ALP member repaid, following the audit that she herself requested, is about half the amount that Bridget McKenzie rorted/awarded to the gun club that she belongs to. I’m really not sure how you can work yourself into a lather about it.
The authority said it sought to recover $17,362.22, which includes GST and associated fees, from expense claims which were found to be “inconsistent with the legislative framework”.
“Senator McCarthy and her staff were cooperative and forthcoming with information during the audit process,” the report said.
“Considering Senator McCarthy’s health, the volume of questions and the complexity of the pre-2018 expenses framework, IPEA received Senator McCarthy’s responses in a timely manner. Information was corroborated by IPEA where required.”
Naughty Indigenous Australian woman with Polycystic Kidney Disease seeking medical treatment in Sydney where the Specialists are! 🙄
Maybe she should have simply cooked up a scheme to sell the water from her homeland in the NT to the Commonwealth for a ridiculously inflated price instead? Water that doesn’t exist, of course.
Jolyon Wagg @ #1874 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 3:42 pm
He’s a Liberal. They’re masters of the genre.
meher baba @ #1864 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 3:35 pm
Not personal? You accused numerous posters here of wishing a massive death count on the Australian population, just to deflect from the fact that your grasp of statistics has been found wanting?
Not your best work Meher.
meher baba @ #1849 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 12:24 pm
This is entering conspiracy theory territory.
Who is coordinating this?
Jolyon Wagg says: Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:42 pm
Bucephalus
The amount that the ALP member repaid, following the audit that she herself requested, is about half the amount that Bridget McKenzie rorted/awarded to the gun club that she belongs to. I’m really not sure how you can work yourself into a lather about it.
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Easy – EXTREME RIGHT WING RELEVANCE DISORDER NUTTER & TROLL – you are wasting your time as he gets his jollies knowing he gets a response from winding you up !!!!
The ALP and their supporters – setting low double standards and failing to achieve them.
OC:
Actually it was:
– Diamond Princess occupants kept in quarantine out at sea = disaster
– Ruby Princess occupants not kept in quarantine = disaster
What’s needed is:
– Cruise ship occupants kept in quarantine on land in an infection suppressing environment
To implement this, the Navy should be sent (under the defence power in the case of Australia) to bring all the ships (off Australia’s coast) in to appropriate Australian ports, then the occupants unloaded into appropriate quarantine. The only question is whether they need to forcibly remove all occupants or whether some can be left on ship of they wish to stay (as has happened in WA). Navy lawyers will implement this properly; other lawyers should not be consulted.
Bucephalus @ #1880 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 3:49 pm
Lol.
meher baba @ #1822 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 2:00 pm
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Am I alone in thinking that a lot of the discussion on here in the past few days – about alleged exponential trends , about how big is the ratio between official numbers of cases and actual cases, about the rates of hospitalisation and death, etc. – is possibly being driven by a group of posters on here who might be said to be “death riding” the statistics?
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I’d say your alone.
There are group of posters that have an understanding of mathematics and can use these tool to shed light on the issue. It not their fault you can’t follow the maths behind the argument, that you don’t come to the discussion with prior knowledge as to what mathematical models are about and there limitations.
For all their limits math models allow you to state your assumptions and they beat crystal ball predictions and are a lot more useful than sucking bullshit out of the end of your thumb.
Exactly.
CNN is just showing a report on how ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel are refusing to abide the social separation regulations. Right next to the posters describing the regulations are posters from the ultras saying that the coronavirus is a result of women’s immodesty.
What hope is there!
BTW earlier in the week I watched a new 4-part Netflix series “Unorthodox” about a young married woman escapes from her ultra-orthodox community in New York. It is very instructive.
PhoenixRed
Probably a fair assessment except I am not even slightly wound up. More amused than anything 🙂
Has Morrison and Dutton and others in the liberal/national party resign yet
Morrison and Dutton for the cruiseships fiasco , the biggest breach of health and safety in Australia
BK
Similar is happening throughout the Muslim world.
Pretty sure that the Virus is an equal opportunity infecter.
93 officers/sailors serving on a USN aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt now docked in Guam have tested positive to C-19, with a further 1200+ of the ship’s company awaiting test results. Imagine if it took off in a sub.
Roger Miller,
(as you are apparently around at the moment),
Several days ago I posted a YouTube clip of a performance of part of Handel’s Fireworks Suite, performed by some of the teachers of the Angers Conservatoire where my niece teaches. You asked how the recording was done.
Each performer (in isolation at home) had a digital recording of the melody. They listened to this on one Smartphone, while filming and recording themselves playing along with this on a second phone, (at a time that worked for each of them). They then uploaded their performance to WhatsApp and sent it to the Conservatorium’s electronics music teacher who married the various performances together to produce the final product.
Hope this helps.
Jolyon Wagg says: Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 3:55 pm
PhoenixRed
Easy – EXTREME RIGHT WING RELEVANCE DISORDER NUTTER & TROLL – you are wasting your time as he gets his jollies knowing he gets a response from winding you up !!!!
Probably a fair assessment except I am not even slightly wound up. More amused than anything
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Trolls feel rewarded by creating the biggest altercation possible. They want to get a reaction out of you. When you fight with a troll, he wins. When you reason with a troll, he wins. Any time that you give a troll attention, he gets exactly what he wants.
Trolls are basically sociopaths and are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth. You cannot reason with a troll. Attempting to do so only wastes your time and feeds the troll with the attention they are seeking .
The best way to deal with trolls is to IGNORE THEM !!!!!! When you ignore a troll, he doesn’t get the attention and satisfaction of creating an escalated conflict.
Yep. You really gotta laugh……
Kerry Jaggers
@kezincanberra
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40m
29 April 2019:
Federal Education Minister Dan Tehan has this morning labelled Labor’s plan to ensure that childcare is available for low- and middle-income families ‘communist’.
2 April 2020:
Dan Tehan announces childcare is free.
BK @ #1884 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 2:54 pm
I suppose just refuse them any medical treatment if they catch the virus as any victim was obviously displeasing their god and they should just accept the consequence. Thank god for Darwin (and Herbert Spencer’s survival of the fittest).
Labor and the other non libs/national coalition parties should be demanding an royal commission and criminal charges against the liberal/national parties, pro coalition media outlets , border force , ADF ,AFP for the incompetence allowing the cruise ships to dock and passengers to disembark without mandatory isolation.
PR you are probably right. There are a few trolls here that I make it a point to ignore…I will add this chump.
testing newby
BK @ #1885 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 3:54 pm
Don’t forget the Ultra Orthodox Jews meeting in secret for Friday night prayers in Melbourne, contrary to instructions to not have >10 people in the one place in close proximity.
Religion does that to you. Makes you irrational, as you have to be to believe in the first instance.
(NB I think there are a lot of fine religious people in this world)
Meher Baba
“is possibly being driven by a group of posters on here who might be said to be “death riding” the statistics”
You are a shameless, despicable, disgusting person.
This from the same person who implied that the early spread of the virus was due to Labor and Greens voters who were ignoring the government’s advice because they didn’t like Scott Morrison.
Scott @ #1894 Thursday, April 2nd, 2020 – 4:00 pm
Yes, you could almost prove that their behaviour led to death for certain individuals. Yet we have one of their own bleating about 17000 that a Labor Senator willingly repaid after an audit she asked for herself found discrepancies.
Jolyon Wagg says: Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 4:01 pm
PR you are probably right. There are a few trolls here that I make it a point to ignore…I will add this chump.
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He has been here under different guises – but its always the SAME message ;
ALP – 100% BAD
L/CP – PERFECT HEROES who can and have NEVER done anything wrong
Scott:
The corollary would have been that Mr Curtin would have had to resign after the bombing of Darwin, which would have helped no-one.
The correct response then was a prompt and fully powered enquiry to work out what went wrong and how to do better, and this is what happened.
Arguably the same should happen now (the situation is not quite the same since there is little likelihood there will be more cruise ships)