As related by The Australian, the third Newspoll since the fall is unchanged on the second, conducted three weeks ago, in showing the Coalition with a two-party lead of 51-49. The primary votes are Coalition 43% (41.4% at the election), Labor 35% (33.4%), Greens 12% (10.4%) and One Nation 5% (3.1%, although they did not contest every seat at the election). All four are up a point compared with the previous poll, reflected in a four point drop in “others” to 5%. I’m struggling to identify the last time Newspoll had the Greens at 12% – certainly not at any point in the last term (UPDATE: It was in March 2016).
Scott Morrison is up a point on approval to 49%, after dropping three points last time, and his disapproval is up three to 39%, which is still three down on the first poll after the election. Anthony Albanese records a net negative rating for the first time, being down six on approval to 35% (after gaining two last time), and up six on disapproval to 40% (after dropping two last time). Morrison’s preferred prime minister lead is reportedly at 20%, compared with 18% last time, although the exact numbers are not yet provided (UPDATE: Morrison’s lead has increased from 48-30 to 48-28).
The poll comes with a glimmer of improved transparency, in that we are told exactly how many respondents came from its online survey (956) and automated phone poll (705) components. It was conducted from Thursday to Sunday.
“Another point worth making is that all these economic “laws” –”
I’m actually doubtful Economics is any kind of real Science. The “laws” are more like “guidelines” that are sometimes not all that useful.
Is it just me or is almost any Lib MP using one coaler talking point or another in the media over recent days that has had a run or ten on PB recently? Like burning more coal is going to be way cheaper and protect the environment.
The NSW Lib energy minister apparently in the Tele and on 2GB, but raised at Reneweconomy
https://reneweconomy.com.au/nsw-energy-minister-sees-no-competitor-to-coal-for-decades-to-come-53664/
“On the one hand, he tells the paper’s state political editor, his government is“committed and firmly focused on protecting the environment” and meeting its stated target of net zero emissions by 2050.
On the other, Kean wants to keep the lights on and drive down power prices, and doesn’t want to “place ideology before people”.
“The people of NSW want to protect the environment but not at any cost to their hip pocket,’’ he said.”
Qanda flickin the switch to Vaudeville. I might watch it next Monday..
Brigid Meney took over from Harry Stutchbury as the President of NSW YoungLibs
Quoll says:
Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 6:29 pm
“It would be a ludicrous statement to say the climate is not changing. I absolutely believe that man has some effect on that. I state as a categorical fact that there’s nothing we can do in Aust that can have any effect on it whatsoever,” @Barnaby_Joyce tells @PatsKarvelas
Seems like Barnacle has been working on his talking points with some PB coalers, or is in fact just one of them, probably operating under a pseudonym starting with B.
Joyce is mistaken in his claim that there’s nothing we can do in Australia to avert climate change. There are many things that can be done. Labor is doing them. Labor will do much more. The alternative prescriptions are either self-defeating or ineffectual, or are a pretence.
Those who don’t actually want Labor to succeed, of course, will always hope for failure. They will do their level best to foil Labor, to insult and obstruct Labor, to undermine and defeat the only party with even the slightest hope or intention of retarding and reversing climate change.
For the sake of their own political prosperity, they pray for failure. They are a sham.
sprocket_
I’ve seen Brigid Meney on The Drum. She represents the kind of Young Lib I wouldn’t support in a fit.
Monday’s Qanda looks like shaping up to being a shout-a-thon.
#nothanks
Boerwar @ #1399 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 6:59 pm
Barnaby Joyce. QLD Labor. Briefly. Probably others.
Morrison won’t turf her because it would upset China too much.
Wouldn’t have anything to do with her being the difference between majority and minority rule, of course.
But if what you say is true, then Morrison not firing a possible Chinese agent – because it would upset her spymasters – is a pretty serious development.
Yes, it will be very interesting to see how Morrison deals with the Gladys problem. We assume he’s been ‘counselled’ as Turnbull & co. were.
dogs above. Watching the Drum on IR. FFS if this is the crap that small business advocates its a wonder any of their members actually manage to run a business. Work Choices on steroids on the way people. 🙁
I remember there being questions about Liu’s possible allegiance to China coming out in the campaign, but IIRC she became embroiled in some corflute scandal involving the AEC and the China allegiance thing went nowhere.
Barnaby “… I state as a categorical fact that there’s nothing we can do in Aust that can have any effect on it [the climate] whatsoever,”
That would be an argument for Australia not participating in the invasion of Iraq, even it it were a good idea. Or WW1 and 2 for that matter.
If the climate could be fixed by deploying troops, dispatching warships and bombing someone, especially with our “great” and powerful “friend”, the Coalition would be saying “where do we sign up?”
There is a Brexit thread, but this is very interesting. 3 judges in Scotland have ruled proroguing parliament was illegal.
So I suppose now Ms Liu will be hounded by the Noise Machine day and night until she leaves Parliament.
Oops. Here in report
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/scottish-judges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful
Spotted at the footy…
And as per report
The British government will appeal against the Scottish appeal court’s decision, which also contradicts a decision in Johnson’s favour by senior English judges last week, at the supreme court.
The supreme court has already scheduled an emergency hearing on both the Scottish and English cases for 17 September, alongside a third challenge brought in the courts in Belfast
Steve777 @ #1415 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 5:29 pm
This will blow over when parliament rises.
Lots of sarcasm floating about?
The panic before QT.
A number of colourful stories floating around about Guangzhou Gladys, some clearly need fact checking but the ABC have picked up on this….
“In the wake of the Sam Dastyari affair the year before, Mr Turnbull’s office had developed a standard procedure to request the guest list for fundraisers or major organised events where the PM was invited.
About three or four weeks before the February 18 “meet and greet” in Box Hill, Mr Turnbull’s office asked for a guestlist from Ms Banks’s office.
It duly arrived on an A4 sheet of paper with about 30 names from the Chinese community.
This list was then forwarded to ASIO for vetting.
The advice from the Director-General was that Mr Turnbull should not attend the meeting.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-11/guests-on-gladys-liu-list-for-malcolm-turnbull-event-asio/11502564
“This will blow over when parliament rises.”
Yes it will blow over – she’s a “Liberal”. No blowing over had it been a Labor member, however.
The number one issue of any Liberal PM is to intervene to protect Craig Kelly from the liberal branches in his own electorate. It is a higher priority than climate change.
Returned from the trailer-park soiree only to find the poster who refers to his wife/partner as ‘Her Indoors’ is still carrying on like a two-bob watch. I was forced to turn down the volume of my hearing aids due to the squarks of myriad sulphur-crested cockatoos. They’re stunning birds but have the propensity to deposit their nitrogenous waste, urea, salt, and water everywhere. I’ll leave it at that.
For those of you in Sydney, here is a function coming up worth considering…
SPEAKER: GLADYS LIU (Member for Chisholm)
DATE: Wednesday 25 September 2019 *Book from 11 Sept 2019**
TIME: 5.30 for 6pm LIGHT REFRESHMENTS NOTE CHANGE OF DATE
**ASSOCIATE MEMBERS & ONE GUEST ONLY**
TOPIC: How The Coalition Won Chisholm
VENUE: The Sydney Institute, Level 40, Governor Phillip Tower, 1 Farrer Place, Sydney
lizzie @ #1400 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 7:00 pm
It must have been exceptionally smelly for Guy to not appear after “Lobster with a Mobster”.
E. G. Theodore @ #1397 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 6:52 pm
You don’t really ‘get’ science, do you?
Diogenes @ #1380 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 5:58 pm
What about the Law of Gravy?
briefly @ #1398 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 6:55 pm
Just for goodness sake don’t threaten my coal dividends!
Decision of the Scottish Court of Appeal – they probably wear gay attire and wigs as well..
‘As I understand it the Inner House of the Court of Session has granted declarator that the advice and subsequent prorgation were unlawful, but has not granted reduction of the Order in Council or interdict; instead it’s going to leave these issues to the UK Supreme Court.’
Sprocket
I think all PB should attend this event.
Let’s share the love with the Member for Chisholm
I’ve heard anecdotally from friends in Chisholm that they are none too pleased that this MP is in Sydney and not South Box Hill.
(Assuming the event is still going ahead and the honourable MP has not quit or being booted)
sprocket_ @ #1431 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 7:58 pm
They’ll probably work it out by October 14 when the Queen gives her speech!
The full statement ..
Speaking of birds, up here in the Goldie hinterland we have a most incredible array of them. It really makes life worth living. My favourite is the eastern rosella. They’re far more shy than lorikeets, less colourful, but there’s just something about them.
WTF? Abbott obviously finding the transition to retirement a challenge. Here he is apparently at the 3rd annual Budapest Demographic Summit launch focusing on raising the fertility rates in central and eastern Europe, and doing his best #unwantedIvanka impersonation.
And is that David Feeney on his left?
PO….I have not questioned your sincerity or imputed any ulterior motives on your part during the course of this discussion. The imputation that I could have some financial interest at stake is basically troll-worthy. You should retract it.
Oh dear!
https://twitter.com/i/status/940002779216490497
I think she is not saying that you personally have a financial interest in coal. Rather, she is saying that you defend other people’s financial interests in coal no matter how harmful these are to Australia’s national interests and to the planet’s survival.
You reckon we have a toxic press…
Edit
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59n99q/milo-yiannopoulos-says-hes-broke
It all started to go bad for him after he appeared on Real Time a couple years ago, faced genuine scrutiny of his views and positions, and ended up having his ass handed to him on a plate by panelists way smarter and more clued in than him.
It’s been downhill ever since, underscoring my view that the best counter to these racist deplorables is to give them their moment in the sun. Because more often than not it is their undoing.
Nicholas says:
Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 8:15 pm
The imputation that I could have some financial interest at stake is basically troll-worthy.
I think she is not saying that you personally have a financial interest in coal. Rather, she is saying that you defend other people’s financial interests in coal ….
I’ve done no such thing.
I have been at pains to point out that the political campaign raised by the Greens is misguided and counter-effective; that the issue with coal is in the first place reducing its use as a fuel – reducing its rate of combustion. There are several instances where I’ve noted the price of thermal coal is falling and have marked my approval of this; and there are plenty of observations where the focus is on the development and application of renewables.
PO’s comments are troll-worthy. Yours are no better.
If you give an actual shit about the environment and climate change, then you’d focus your attention where it can make an actual difference.
sprocket_ says:
Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:45 pm
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Love the racialist attack on Ms Liu. If you have to resort to racism you’ve already lost the argument you sad little individual.
sprocket_ @ #1441 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 8:16 pm
Given Brexit may well lead to the break up of the Union, then the Map offer may become a collectors item.
Lars Von Trier @ #1444 Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 – 8:25 pm
So, your position is that Liu is not accountable to the Australian Polity because she’s of Chinese origin. The racist here is you!
sprocket:
I’ve always regarded the British tabloids being the benchmark when it comes to the gutter press.
Well Mr GG, those comments from sprocket are one step removed from “go back to where you came from”. People who have been on the receiving end of Aussie racism know this is exactly what was meant.
Sad that it’s come to this.
If you give a shit about the environment you must agree with briefly. If you do not, you are a lib kin, a lib-lib and a possible racist.
I verily think that Labor’s loss could be a godsend, there being dark clouds on the economy, due to Morrison’s inflexibility as regards a surplus. Labor avoided recession due to pink bats, school halls. Admittedly, the rollout had flaws, but many jobs were saved, recession negatived. Karma, I think, is grand. There’s no doubt about it, Morrison has the gift of the gab, but he’s not exactly a lateral thinker.