Tidying up

Full preference counts should start unrolling over the next few days, but we’re probably still a fortnight away from being sure of the exact composition of the Senate.

So far as the outcome on seats is concerned, two questions from the federal election remain to be answered: who wins Macquarie, which could potentially deliver the Coalition a 78th seat, or – more likely – a 68th for Labor; and who gets the last Senate seat in Queensland. No new numbers have been added to the count in Macquarie since Wednesday, apparently because they’ve been gathering everything together for one last heave. Labor leads by 282; I make it that there are about 950 votes outstanding; the Liberals will need nearly two-third of them to close the gap. Their more realistic hope, if any, is that an error shows up during the preference distribution, but that’s highly unlikely after all the checking that’s been done already.

Out of the other lower house seats, I’ll be particularly interested to see the results of the preference distribution in Joel Fitzgibbon’s seat of Hunter, where there is a chance the One Nation candidate might draw ahead of the Nationals candidate to make the final count. The Nationals have 23.5% of the primary vote to One Nation’s 21.6%, but by applying Senate preference flows from 2016 to allocate the minor parties, I get this narrowing to 27.1% to 26.3%. If nothing else, One Nation making it to second will provide us with hard data on how Coalition preferences divide between Labor and One Nation, a circumstance that has never arisen before at a federal election. The result in the seat of Mirani at the Queensland election in 2017 suggests it should be a bit short of 80%. If so, Fitzgibbon should emerge with a winning margin of about 2%, compared with his 3.0% lead in the Labor-versus-National count.

As discussed here last week, I feel pretty sure Labor’s second Senate candidate in Queensland will be pipped to the last seat by the Greens, though God knows I’ve been surprised before. That will mean three seats for the Coalition and one apiece for Labor, One Nation and the Greens. We probably won’t know the answer for about a fortnight, when the data entry should be completed and the button pressed.

There are other questions we’re still a while away from knowing the answer to, like the final national two-party preferred vote. All that can be said with certainty at this point is that it will be nowhere near what the polls were saying, but the most likely result is around 52-48 to the Coalition. The AEC’s current count says 51.6-48.4, but this doesn’t mean much because it excludes 15 seats in which the two-candidate counts are “non-classic”, i.e. not between the Coalition and Labor. Only when separate Coalition-versus-Labor counts are completed for those seats will we have a definitive result.

We will also have to wait until them for a definitive answer on exactly how many United Australia Party and One Nation preferences flowed to the Coalition. This has been a contentious question for the past year, since pollsters recognised recent federal election results were unlikely to provide a reliable guide to how they would flow this time, as per their usual practice. As Kevin Bonham discusses at length, this was one of many questions on which certain pollsters exhibited an unbecoming lack of transparency. Nonetheless, their decision to load up the Coalition on preferences from these parties has been more than vindicated, notwithstanding my earlier skepticism that the split would be as much as the 60-40 used for both parties by Newspoll.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Coffee lovers who drink up to 25 cups a day can rest assured the drink is not bad for their heart, scientists say.

    Some previous studies have suggested that coffee stiffens arteries, putting pressure on the heart and increasing the likelihood of a heart attack or stroke, with drinkers warned to cut down their consumption.

    But a new study of more than 8,000 people across the UK found that drinking five cups a day, and even up to 25, was no worse for the arteries than drinking less than a cup a day.

    The research, part-funded by the British Heart Foundation (BHF), is being presented at the British Cardiovascular Society conference in Manchester.

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/jun/02/up-to-25-cups-of-coffee-a-day-safe-for-heart-health-study-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

    By coincidence, I have been given a coffee machine and am struggling this morning to adjust to its demands. Just in time for coffee priced to rise!

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  3. guytaur says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 8:23 am
    Briefly

    Keep it up. Perhaps you can convince some Liberals to vote Green.

    Same/same

    Labor-hostile Parties….

  4. Yikes! Who drinks 5 cups of coffee per day, much less 25!!

    I have two every morning and that’s more than enough.

  5. Scott Morrison, like Albo, thinks 10 steps ahead. Of course there is going to be a Tasmanian AFL team created. Probably with a Coal-fired Power Station providing the warmth for Tasmanians as they watch the games. 😐

  6. As someone said to me the other day, tea is a lot better because the caffeine kicks in more slowly than it does in coffee. I’ll drink to that! 🙂

  7. lizzie says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 10:36 am

    Coffee lovers who drink up to 25 cups a day can rest assured the drink is not bad for their heart, scientists say.

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/jun/02/up-to-25-cups-of-coffee-a-day-safe-for-heart-health-study-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

    By coincidence, I have been given a coffee machine and am struggling this morning to adjust to its demands. Just in time for coffee priced to rise!

    Nice to know.

    I’m having to adjust here. The coffees I’ve had so far have been weak and watery.

    It hasn’t helped that it’s Ramadan at the moment and most of the coffee shops don’t open until after sunset. 🙂

  8. Coal miners in the UK were the political targets of Margaret Thatcher, who used conflict with miners to disable Labour and disembowel social democracy. Her counter-party in the conflict was the old Communist Party.

    Coal miners in NSW and QLD are being used in political gaming by the Liberals to disable Labor here. The Liberal’s counter-party here are the Greens.

    They all use miners.

  9. With the prospect of 3 years of reading here how KK has hit the potato Head for 6, can someone explain to me the difference between the two policies on asylum seekers. I know Labor will increase the quota but what are the other differences?

    Honest question

  10. Confessions says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 10:48 am

    Barney:

    You’re no longer in Vietnam?!

    Yep! Left a week ago and I’m back living in the Southern Hemisphere for the first time in 15 years. 🙂

  11. Fess

    Completely off topic, but have you seen a new season of Bad Blood has recently dropped on Netflix. I haven’t watched any of it yet. I’m building up to it by re-watching S1.

  12. Oakeshott Country says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 10:52 am

    With the prospect of 3 years of reading here how KK has hit the potato Head for 6, can someone explain to me the difference between the two policies on asylum seekers. I know Labor will increase the quota but what are the other differences?

    Honest question

    You don’t need to be a prick to them while they’re in detention and more willing to consider resettlement options.

  13. Dan G:

    Yep, sure have. I loved it, it’s very good and I recommend you watch it. I didn’t know S2 had been uploaded, so am going to catch that soon.

  14. Dan Gulberry says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 10:54 am

    Barney in Makassar @ #111 Monday, June 3rd, 2019 – 8:52 am

    Yep! Left a week ago and I’m back living in the Southern Hemisphere for the first time in 15 years.

    There goes the neighbourhood (said with tongue in cheek of course).

    I’d say you guys have been making a pretty good go at it without my input! 🙂

  15. The experts praise the UK’s international role in tackling the climate crisis but say Trump’s visit is “incompatible” with it while he is “undermining” US domestic and international efforts to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases.

    It reads: “The president’s refusal to tackle climate change, and particularly his initiation of the withdrawal of the US from the Paris Agreement, is increasing risks for lives and livelihoods in the United States, the United Kingdom and around the world.”

    They urge the prime minister to tell Trump to accept the scientific evidence of the threat of the man-made climate crisis; support policies in the US to reduce greenhouse gases to zero by 2050; and collaborate with international efforts to combat the climate crisis.

    The president has previously called the climate crisis a “Chinese hoax” and “bullshit”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/03/experts-urge-theresa-may-to-confront-trump-over-climate-crisis

    He respects no one, and certainly not May, whom he probably regards as a nice lady who held his hand on some steps. A servant.

  16. The hubris and triumphalism at the Oz continues unabated. Their – and their political arm at the LNP’s – belief that the election result signals a rejection of the entire ‘left’ agenda and embrace of IPA lunar right policies that were never mentioned during the campaign gives me hope that they will over-reach and get smashed at the 2022 election. They had a narrow and unexpected win on the basis of a fear campaign in Queensland. The swing to the greens in most seats is being ignored. The headlines should be “Shorten was unconvincing” and “Labor should have gone negative”

    How farked will the LNP be when they slash services, delay tax breaks, expand the GST to cover costs, and still fail to deliver a surplus because of a flatlining economy with falling housing prices, wage stagnation and rising unemployment – and have emissions higher in 2022 than they are today. I doubt even Morrison can maintain his daggy dad persona for three years – he may be a very good bullshit artist, but his inner c@#$iness – which goes all the way to his core – will show. The “I don’t answer Canberra bubble questions” ruse already has the media pissed off, and some sections of the media will hold him to account.

    Polls will be discarded if they don’t show the government in front, but I’m guessing their long run on negative newspolls will not be broken at all or for long despite the hatchet job the media are doing in Albo and labor at present. The polls that count are in queensland, so the polling companies should focus there.

    Labor needs to articulate the case for change and not go to water – that’s what Beasley did and why he never became PM. If they don’t then I look forward to Albo losing his seat to the greens in 2022.

  17. More details please Barney

    I think it’s abundantly clear that it’s a strategic mistake for an Opposition to provide any policy details.


  18. sustainable future says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 11:02 am
    ….
    Labor needs to articulate the case for change and not go to water – that’s what Beasley did and why he never became PM. If they don’t then I look forward to Albo losing his seat to the greens in 2022.

    And another little green pony sits in wreckage next to the 60 million dollar horse clive and yells, you need to go to the left.

  19. Heard an ABC interviewer ask KK this morning why – as ScoMo had claimed a “strong mandate for his full suite of tax cuts” – Labor wouldn’t just wave them through, irrevocably committing future governments (of either color).

    KK nominated the first tranche of the cuts, scheduled for July 1st not going ahead as promised. When pressed, she also pointed out there is no legislation for the future cuts available as yet. In other words: standard answers.

    She did not deny the government had its “strong mandate”, which I thought she should have. It has just a 2 seat majority. The government is a couple of by-elections away from disaster. And we have already seen that internal dissent and other factors, such as s44 challenges, can provide ample raw material for collapsing numbers in the House.

    If a 2 seat majority is a “strong mandate”, 3 seats would have to have been just about Holy Writ. 4 seats: The Second Coming.

    Labor should fight this “strong mandate” horseshit coming from the media head on, not avoid it or change the subject. The government just squeaked in. Labor has nothing to lose by pointing this out, at any and every opportunity.

  20. Oakeshott Country says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 11:00 am

    More details please Barney

    There’s no difference in the framework, the differences occur in the implementation. For example;

    Labor’s for providing appropriate medical treatment wherever that is, the Government opposes this.

    Labor is for accepting the New Zealand resettlement offer, the Government opposes this.

  21. BB
    Forming a government gives a party the right to propose legislation for debate and consideration by all elected members. That is all. In practical terms there is no such thing as an all encompassing “mandate”.

  22. I’m with BB, it is disappointing for sure; but in reality the Liberals just scrapped it in. Two seats and they are in minority government territory again.

  23. I’m with BB, it is disappointing for sure; but in reality the Liberals just scrapped it in. Two seats and they are in minority government territory again.

  24. And if Labor had won the election the Coalition certainly wouldn’t be respecting THEIR mandate. Instead coming out with horseshit about representing their voters’ interests in the parliament.

    Labor should do the same.

  25. BK, not even that. The Opposition and cross bench can and do propose legislation for debate too.

    There’s Executive power though, which is only exercised by the Government of the day, but that’s separate to the legislature. There is meant to be parliamentary supremacy, so the Executive is responsible and accountable to the Parliament, but the HoR is a weak parliamentary chamber in Australia.

  26. The hubris and triumphalism at the Oz continues unabated. Their – and their political arm at the LNP’s – belief that the election result signals a rejection of the entire ‘left’ agenda and embrace of IPA lunar right policies that were never mentioned during the campaign gives me hope that they will over-reach and get smashed at the 2022 election.

    As Mega George said in a podcast last week. The Coalition are in 2004 territory all over again. Hubris will be their killer when they overreach, having won one election too many.

  27. BK

    “Mandate” is used by maniacs like Canavan to mean “anything I decide we should have in relation to energy sources”. Every time I see his face I feel motivated to give him a slap in the mush.

  28. BK says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 11:09 am

    BB
    Forming a government gives a party the right to propose legislation for debate and consideration by all elected members. That is all. In practical terms there is no such thing as an all encompassing “mandate”.

    Control the numbers in the Reps and the Senate gives you an absolute mandate to do what want.

    Control the numbers in the Reps gives you a mandate to have your policies considered by the Parliament.

  29. My understanding is that NZ will (and quite rightly) not agree to A second class of citizenship that prevents asylum seekers that they accept having free entry to Australia. What is Labor’s response?

  30. BK wrote, of Canavan:

    Every time I see his face I feel motivated to give him a slap in the mush.

    There is a German word for this: backpfeifengesicht.

    “Germans use this to describe someone who they feel desperately needs to be slapped in the face or more specifically, a face that needs to be slapped as hard as humanly possible, preferably with a chair.”

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://matadornetwork.com/read/10-untranslatable-german-terms/&ved=2ahUKEwimi9bVksziAhVDOSsKHeY-AvwQFjAIegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw27h4u7ZRqM3iUop6NBZKis&cshid=1559525031156

  31. Scrott has a mandate to form government. The Opposition has a mandate to say GAGF, just ask Tone ‘Deaf’ Abbott 😉

  32. In practical terms there is no such thing as an all encompassing “mandate”.

    Isnt a mandate what millennial lads call a catch up at the pub?

  33. Oakeshott Country says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 10:52 am

    With the prospect of 3 years of reading here how KK has hit the potato Head for 6, can someone explain to me the difference between the two policies on asylum seekers. I know Labor will increase the quota but what are the other differences?

    Honest question
    ——————————–

    One word: Humanity

  34. Oakeshott Country @ #110 Monday, June 3rd, 2019 – 10:52 am

    With the prospect of 3 years of reading here how KK has hit the potato Head for 6, can someone explain to me the difference between the two policies on asylum seekers. I know Labor will increase the quota but what are the other differences?

    Honest question

    Actually put some real f***ing effort into getting them resettled in third countries – NZ, Canada etc and improve conditions in the meantime. Dutton is quite happy to leave them to fester so he can keep using their very existence as political fodder.

    On a more general level, this is why I can’t stand the coalition – in my personal experience right back to conscription for Vietnam they have been totally consistent in exploiting defenceless people for political advantage – it is morally repugnant.

  35. Oakeshott Country says:
    Monday, June 3, 2019 at 11:24 am

    My understanding is that NZ will (and quite rightly) not agree to A second class of citizenship that prevents asylum seekers that they accept having free entry to Australia. What is Labor’s response?
    ———————————-

    Come back in three years when there hopefully will be a Labor government. You can ask Prime Minister Albanese what his view is then? OK? Do you think we are all suckers?

  36. The Australian government is playing down a visit of three Chinese warships and 700 sailors to Sydney Harbour, only 24 hours before the 30th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

    A People’s Liberation Army frigate, auxiliary replenishment ship, and an amphibious vessel are due to dock at Garden Island Navy base today, for a four-day stopover.

    Government sources say the visit was planned in advance after the Chinese Navy Taskforce conducted anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden between Somalia and Yemen.

    The People’s Liberation Army Navy held a similar visit to Australia in 2017.

    Monday’s arrival has raised eyebrows in some corners of the Australian Defence community, after Australian Navy aircraft were targeted with lasers in the South China Sea. Sources believe Chinese maritime militia vessels were responsible.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/chinese-warships-arrive-in-sydney-harbour-for-stopover-20190603-p51ttw.html

  37. Oakeshott Country @ #136 Monday, June 3rd, 2019 – 11:24 am

    My understanding is that NZ will (and quite rightly) not agree to A second class of citizenship that prevents asylum seekers that they accept having free entry to Australia. What is Labor’s response?

    Are those who have gone to the USA prevented form ever coming to Australia? I think probably not because I can’t see the USA accepting a restriction like that on their citizens- and that is a precedent established by the coalition.

  38. @MSMWatchdog2013
    3h3 hours ago

    As major companies express their delight at Scott Morrison’s re-election, figures show untendered contracts have surged since the Coalition first took office in 2013, with $50 billion awarded in the two months before the election. By @MichaelWestBiz

  39. Those aren’t millennials.<blockquote

    No. But it is a mandate. And one of them isnt drinking their beer.

  40. My understanding is that NZ will (and quite rightly) not agree to A second class of citizenship that prevents asylum seekers that they accept having free entry to Australia.

    I’ve always been a bit confused by this because clearly there are, right now, NZ citizens who do not have free entry to Australia – Dustin Martin’s dad, for example.

    This is not to suggest that asylum seekers are criminals, but the principle that Australia can’t set out the criteria for deciding which NZ citizens are allowed in and which not – without making a ‘second class of citizenship’ for NZers – seems at odds with the way things work right now.

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