The second morning after

A second thread for discussion of the post-election aftermath, as the Coalition waits to see if it will make it to a parliamentary majority, and Labor licks it wounds and prepared to choose a new leader.

I had a paywalled piece in Crikey yesterday giving my immediate post-result impressions, which offered observations such as the following:

Unexpected as all this was, the underlying dynamic is not new, and should be especially familiar to those whose memories extend to Mark Latham’s defeat at the hands of John Howard in 2004. Then as now, the northern Tasmanian seats of Bass and Braddon flipped from Labor to Liberal, with forestry policy providing the catalyst on that occasion, and Labor performed poorly in the outer suburbs, reflected in yesterday’s defeat in Lindsay and its failure to win crucial seats on the fringes of the four largest cities. There were also swings to Labor against the trend in wealthy city seats, attributed in 2004 to the non-economic issues of the Iraq war and asylum seekers, and touted at the time as the “doctors’ wives” effect.

So far as this blog is concerned though, other engagements have prevented me giving the post-election aftermath the full attention it deserves. I will endeavour to rectify that later today, so stay tuned. In the meantime, here is a thread for discussion of the situation. Note also the post below this one, dedicated to updates and discussion on progress in the late count.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Dear Jackol. It’s neither unverifiable nor fake news.

    Whether it should have been posted is another matter.

  2. @PatsKarvelas @InsidersABC @barriecassidy
    Just talked to an old couple who voted for Dutton. They’re on the pension & they rent. They said they had no choice, they’re barely managing now & can’t afford a retiree tax & a 20% rent rise. There’s your analysis PK, the best liar won.

    and also:##

  3. (Instead of dropping the three who weren’t charged off at their homes, he drove miles into the hinterland and left them there to walk home.)

    Whether a verified story about Dutton or not, leave him aside. This was common practice across Qld, NT, WA.

  4. TT – for me, and anyone reading this site it is entirely unverifiable – I don’t know who you are, let alone who your friend is, let alone your friend’s ex-copper acquaintance, let alone whether there is any credibility to anything in that story. Therefore it enters the vast array of meaningless mush on the internet.

  5. lizzie @ #999 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 5:49 pm

    @PatsKarvelas @InsidersABC @barriecassidy
    Just talked to an old couple who voted for Dutton. They’re on the pension & they rent. They said they had no choice, they’re barely managing now & can’t afford a retiree tax & a 20% rent rise. There’s your analysis PK, the best liar won.

    and also:##” rel=”nofollow”>

    And what did Karvelas, or any of the other so-called journalists do to counter the lies and tell the truth?

  6. lizzie @ #997 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 5:49 pm

    @PatsKarvelas @InsidersABC @barriecassidy
    Just talked to an old couple who voted for Dutton. They’re on the pension & they rent. They said they had no choice, they’re barely managing now & can’t afford a retiree tax & a 20% rent rise. There’s your analysis PK, the best liar won.

    and also:##” rel=”nofollow”>

    ..and now the calls for a new election because of the lies

    #Brexit

  7. Leigh Sales could hardly contain her glee by the end of the night.

    Yeah, I can report that pretty much everyone at the ABC was cock-a-hoop about the return of the Coalition. God knows this is obviously too much to ask, but can some of you people use the election result as a learning experience, and at least try to be less stupid?

  8. but can some of you people use the election result as a learning experience

    To be fair, some of us are.

  9. The media bias in favor of the Coalition in this country is truly sickening, imagine America under the Trump administration with huge sections of the media being cheerleaders for them. That is Australia with Scomo as Prime Minister. The media have a duty to serve the public and they have completely failed in that duty.

  10. Labor HAS to make climate change a key issue.
    Try and sell it without freaking out the greedy old turds in our society.
    And the stupid argument that our contribution hardly effects the global carbon levels needs to be put to rest. Take some pride in Leading by example.

  11. Unfortunately, dealing with climate change is not an issue that will bring too many political rewards.

    The benefits will be too slow and as a result it will always be easily attacked by deniers.

    Of course that’s no reason not to act, but if you think there are huge political benefits from acting, I think you will be disappointed.

  12. “Labor HAS to make climate change a key issue.”

    Labor had to win an election and then do something about climate change.

  13. @Barney in Saigon

    It would to take an economic crisis on at least the scale of Ireland’s during the Global Financial Crisis, in order for people to wake up. Unemployment of around 20%, complete with soup kitchens, food-banks and tent cities all across, that will certainly wake a lot of people up.

    I wonder how some Boomers will react, won’t be when their house prices have fallen by between 50-80% and the stock market crashes which will eat considerably into their superannuation.

  14. Briefly

    From a scientific point of view, what will be will be. Causes will have their effects. We can understand this and make predictions and develop explanations. Without any doubt, there will be very great costs associated with climate change. We have to ensure these costs are equitably distributed, and likewise we have to ensure that any gains from adaptation to change are also equitably distributed.

    Mostly agree, but it sounds a bit fatalistic. We can affect what will be by taking appropriate actions.

    Climate change is an economic issue and therefore has social justice dimensions. If we do not attend to these dimensions, there will be no response at all….as we have seen in the Lib reactions so far.

    Totally agree.

  15. “Mostly agree, but it sounds a bit fatalistic. We can affect what will be by taking appropriate actions.”

    In a democracy, not if the electorate don’t allow it.

  16. One thing Greens MP’s don’t have to lose is the corporate donations and largess from the fossil fuel industry. Which is what you get from a party composed entirely of volunteers from local communities across Australia and who fund their campaign entirely from personal donations and personal energy put into community action and campaigning. In terms of political productivity, Greens must be streets ahead of any other parties in terms of $ spent per seat held.

    Something that doesn’t seem to have garnered any discussion about Qld was the new policy introduced by the state ALP government concerning installing solar, particularly large scale solar, over the last month. That apparently was due to start today, required qualified electricians for any work relating to solar farms, including non-electrical installations of frames and panels. Which saw an enormous outpouring of grief from people in the Qld solar industry in the weeks leading up to this election. Seems quite a few in the industry, businesses and workers, were spewing about these changes and the Qld government simply refused to talk or change their view. Seen by many in the industry as a destroyer of jobs and penalising the growth of solar for no justifiable reason. Some people have probably found themselves out of a job in the solar industry for this reason today.

  17. If there is one lesson to learn from this election result, it is that – in Australia at least – global warming cannot be addressed through politics. We need to find another method.

    If we don’t, then we will eventually see international action (e.g. tariffs on fossil fuel exports) imposed to bring Australia into line. And that could bring our economy crashing down around us.

  18. Albo is the obvious choice. King is dead, long live the king.

    Tanya done the right thing by not putting herself up. Her appeal is more intellectual, inner city. ALP needs a brawler that will take the fight up to Morrison. He is in tune with centrists voters, has a personality. He has been loyal and bid his time.

    Don’t get caught up on policy details too much. Obviously, that doesn’t mean shit to voters. Just get someone likeable and run a presidential campaign. In government, you knuckle down on policy work.

  19. Sadly no policies and a popular leader might be the easiest way to win in 2022.
    I still think the climate will be something that labor can sell in 3 years.
    If the dems win and make it a priority the mood might change.

  20. https://www.pollbludger.net/2019/05/20/the-second-morning-after/comment-page-20/#comment-3182795
    Desperately unfair meher baba? Perhaps Labor should have trotted out the personal responsibility malarkey and got the Tories onside. They’re getting free money from the government, it’s welfare by another name at the cost of us all. Is there any reason they couldn’t be on the age pension? They’re still getting their dividends after all plus a bonus from the tax office. They could sell their shares and draw down from that, but then of course they’d have no wealth to transfer to their children and grandchildren. Does anyone care for the unemployed, young people, aboriginal people, the homeless that the money could have provided for? Of course not. They can just fuck off I guess. No wealth for them. As long as some whiney retirees with millions in shares can access just that little bit extra.

  21. @Player One

    Look at Europe and the Extinction Rebellion, I feel mass civil disobedience will needed in order to achieve real action on climate change.

  22. Also from Reneweconomy, a suggestion that we will get to 50% renewables despite the election result and the idiotic Qld govt rule changes

    Know your NEM: We may still get to 50% renewables by 2030
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/know-your-nem-we-may-still-get-to-50-renewables-by-2030-2030/

    “False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long”

    Charles Darwin 1871

    Cutting new supply estimates

    Despite the election result, we have only made slight changes to our supply forecast, and these are focused on the 2019-2022 period. The underlying assumption is that there will be enough policy to get to 50% renewables by 2030.

    It should be obvious that forecasting unannounced new supply is likely to be wrong. More wrong even than betting odds and opinion polls, or forecasting who is going to win a race. Still we think having a view on how much new supply there will be is important.

    Also, the break up by State and by fuel is even more problematic. Still they are our estimates. We expect to revise them often.

    Notwithstanding that the solar industry is deeply unhappy with the Queensland Government’s new rules on qualified electricians being relegated to the apprentice status of carrying solar panels and notwithstanding that the CFMEU can hold itself partly responsible for the Coalition doing so well in that state, we still anticipate that the new entity Cleanco will run at least a 400MW reverse auction over the next year.

  23. Player One says:
    Monday, May 20, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    If there is one lesson to learn from this election result, it is that – in Australia at least – global warming cannot be addressed through politics. We need to find another method.

    Here’s an idea – each of us should focus on our own carbon footprint and stop telling others to stop polluting. (we definitely should not drive or fly into other communities and complain about their pollution).

    Difficult I know as it will mean giving stuff up (ie overseas travel or working class jobs, who’s gonna choose?)

  24. Tristo says:
    Monday, May 20, 2019 at 6:11 pm
    @Player One

    Look at Europe and the Extinction Rebellion, I feel mass civil disobedience will needed in order to achieve real action on climate change.

    Pretty much. And that won’t be supported broadly enough until it’s too late. In the short term, there are still more losers from climate action than winners.

    I think the only actual hope is that technology advances fast enough that it solves the problem. Even then, the fight against adopting that technology is going to be fierce.

  25. Please don’t set out to either go left or go right. There’s no need for that sort of shit.

    At one end, you avoid the nutters like Bob Brown, who thinks it’s fine to head up to Qld and tell the locals their livelihoods, families and way of life are nothing more than collateral damage. In all seriousness, what sort of a shitbag human being does that to people? He’s no better than some fat capitalist at the other end of the scale who makes a motza then shuts his business down without paying his employees – too bad, so sad. Grade A arsehole who hasn’t been worth a squirt since 83. Best thing he ever did was get comprehensively played by the then environment minister Richo into backing Labor in and getting us over the line in the 1990 election.

    At the other end, avoid the hard right nutbaggery of the like of Abbott and Hockey’s budget of 2014.

    But whatever you do, don’t get into labels for labels’ sake.

  26. A good read from the UK – Marc Doll, Facebook – Last update: May 17th

    “I realize there is something I have known for some time but have never said, and, since I have just spent another 4 hours of my life in climate change academia I have to get this out of my system.

    Please understand that many of you reading this won’t live to an old age… and likely will start scrolling after one or 2 more paragraphs… (edit…Ok I was wrong on this point. This is now my 2nd most shared post of all time..(edit)…make that my most shared)

    The IPCC report and Paris accord are incredibly overly optimistic and that commits the world to a target that means the death of hundreds of millions if not more.

    But it is worse than that.

    Even the commitments made by countries in the Paris accord don’t get us to a 2-degree world.

    But it is worse than that.

    The 2 degree target is now unattainable (unless of course the entirety of civilization does a 180 today…) and is based on geoengineering the climate of the earth as well as the sequestering of every molecule of carbon we have produced since 1987, as well as every molecule we are producing today, as well as every molecule we produce tomorrow…. with magical technologies that don’t exist, won’t exist and, even if they did would likely cause as many if not more problems than they fix.

    But it is worse than that.

    The 2-degree target of the IPCC does not factor in the feedback loops such as the increased absorption of heat due to a drastic reduction in the albedo (reflectivity) effect caused by the 70% loss of Arctic ice,..- the release of methane from the thawing Arctic. (there is more energy stored in the arctic methane than there is in coal in the world). This is called the methane dragon. If the process of the release of the methane, currently frozen in the soil and ocean beds of the Arctic, which may have already begun, but if it spins out of control we are looking an 8-degree rise in temperature.

    But it is worse than that.

    The report which gives us 12 years to get our head’s out of our arses underestimated the amount of heat stored in the world’s oceans, as we discovered in mid-January by 40%… so no, we don’t have 12 more years. And the contention that this destructive anthropogenic effect on climate is either new or natural is incorrect. A recent study of tree ring size the world over has found synchronized global droughts since about the year 1900. A phenomenon which did not exist in the 1000 previous years.

    But it is worse than that

    The conservative, American Meteorological Society indicates that our willful blindness and greed will have effects well beyond the climate. The world’s oceans will see a 150% increase in acidity and over a full degree Celsius in warming. This well down the path to the Permian extinction where 96% of marine species disappeared forever.

    But it is worse than that.

    The IPCC report ignores the effects of humans messing up the Nitrogen cycle through agricultural fertilizers and more… Don’t go down this rabbit hole if you want to sleep at night.

    But it is worse than that.

    Sea level rise will not be gradual. Even assuming that the billions of tons of water that is currently being dumped down to the ground level of Greenland isn’t creating a lubricant which eventually will allow the ice to free-flow into the northern oceans; it is only the friction to the islands surface that is currently holding the ice back. Then consider the same process is happening in Antarctica but is also coupled with the disappearance of the ice shelves which act as buttresses holding the glaciers from free flowing into the southern ocean. then factor in thermal expansions; the simple fact that warmer water takes up more space and It becomes clear that we are not looking at maintaining the current 3.4mm/yr increase in sea level rise (which incidentally is terrifying when you multiply it out over decades and centuries.) We will be looking at major calving events that will result in much bigger yearly increases coupled with an exponential increase in glacial melting. We know that every increase of 100ppm of C02 increases sea level by about 100 feet. We have already baked in 130 feet of sea level rise. It is just a question of how long it is going to take to get there… and then keep on rising.

    But it is worse than that.

    Insects are disappearing at 6 times the speed of larger animals and at a rate of about 2.5% of their biomass every year. These are our pollinators. These are links in our food chain. These represent the basic functioning of every terrestrial ecosystem/

    But it is worse than that.

    58% of the biomass of vertebrate life on earth has been lost since 1970. That is basically in my lifetime! Additionally, a new study has shown that over 1 million species are now in danger of extinction due to human activity. Millions of years of evolution are being wiped out on a daily bases.

    But it is worse than that.

    The amount of Carbon we add to the atmosphere is equal to a yearly a human-caused forest fire 20% bigger than the continent of Africa. Yes, that is every single year!

    But it is worse than that.

    Drought in nearly every food producing place in the world is expected to intensify by mid-century and make them basically unusable by the end of the century… Then factor in the end of Phosphorus (China and Russia have already stopped exporting it knowing this) and the depletion of aquifers and you come to the conclusion that feeding the planet becomes impossible.

    But it is worse than that.

    We can no longer save the society that we live in and many of us are going to be dead long before our life expectancy would suggest.

    If your idea of hope is having some slightly modified Standard of living going forward and live to ripe old age… there is no hope. This civilization is over…

    ..but there is hope..

    There is a way for some to come through this and have an enjoyable life on the other side. Every day we delay can be measured in human lives. There will come a day of inaction when that number includes someone you love, yourself or myself.

    So we have 2 options.

    Wake the fuck up. If we do we will only have to experience the end of our society as we know it aka…the inevitable economic collapse which is now unavoidable, but be able to save and rebuild something new on the other side. This would require a deep adaptation. Words like sustainability would need to be seen as toxic and our focus needs be on regeneration. Regeneration of soil, forests, grasslands, oceans etc…. This is all possible.

    Option 2 is the path we are on thinking that we can slowly adapt to change. This not only ensures we experience collapse but also condemns humanity to not just economic and social collapse but in a 4-6 or even an 8-degree world… extinction.

    I am sick of pipeline discussions. I am sick of any argument that is predicated on the defeatist assumption that we will continue to burn oil at an ever-increasing rate simply because it is what we have always done. Fact is if we do we are not just fucked, we are dead. I am sick of perceived futility or the idea that “other countries pollute more than us” being used as an argument against leadership. If no one leads, no none follows and again we are not just fucked, we are dead. I am sick of people who don’t understand how their food is produced, and its effect on the climate.(both carnivores who eat feed-lot meat and vegans who eat industrially-produced-mono-cropped-veggies as they are equally guilty here. The consumption of either is devastating). I am sick of the tons of shiny new clothes people are wearing without realizing 1 Kg of cotton takes over 10 thousand Liters of water and incredible amounts of energy to produce. I am sickened by the amount of that same clothing hits the landfill in near new condition. I am sick of the argument that our oil is less poisonous than someone else’s. Firstly, no it isn’t and secondly, It doesn’t fucking matter. I am sick of people that can’t even handle the ridiculously-small, only-the-tip-of- the-iceberg-of-changes we need to accept; a carbon tax. I am sick of the fact that the political will seems only capable of focusing on the individual consumer through small measures like a carbon tax but no elected Party seems to have the fortitude to enact policies that take it to the small handful of companies that are responsible for an overwhelming amount of our current C02 production. I am sick of my own hypocrisy that allows me to still use fossil fuels for transportation. I am sick of those who use hypocrisy as an argument against action. I am sick of the Leadership of my country that argues we can have economic growth and survivable environment… we can’t. I am sickened by the normalizing of the leadership of our Southern neighbour who as the most polluting nation in the world officially ignores even the tragedy that is the Paris accord and would submarine an international Arctic accord simple because it contains the words “Climate Change”. I am sick that the next image I put up of my kids, cheese, pets or bread is going to gain immeasurably more attention than a post such as this which actually has meaning… I am sick about the fact that all the information I referenced here is easily discoverable in scientific journals through a simple google search but will be characterized by many as hyperbolic.

    I am confused as to who I am more upset with. Those who have fallen for the denier propaganda, those who choose to be willfully ignorant, those who understand this issue and throw their hands up in a fit of lazy despair or those who are as cognitive as I am to the urgency of this issue yet continue living day-to-day feeling self-satisfied with their recycling, electric car, voting record or some other equally inane lifestyle modification while waiting for society to hit the tipping point so they don’t have to actually put their values into practice (which despite my recent life changes still more or less includes me). All that said…

    There is a path forward.

    But every day we delay the path forward includes fewer of us. Build community, build resilience, work for food security, think regeneration, plant food-producing trees, think perennial food production, turn your waste products into resources and if that isn’t possible, don’t consume it! Eat food that does not mine the soil and is locally produced, eat meat that is grass fed in a holistic or intensively rotated (ideally holistically grazed in a silvopasture ) that is used to provide nutrients to vegetation, get to know a farmer or become one yourself. Don’t be a carnivore, herbivore or an omnivore… be a ‘greenivore’. Park your car, do not vote for anyone who either ignores climate change or says we can have our cake and eat it too, quit your job if it is fossil fuel related (it is better than losing it… which you will), stop buying shit, stop buying expensive cars and overly large houses and then complain that local planet saving food costs more than Costco. Stop buying things that are designed to break and be disposed-of, let go of this society slowly and by your own volition (its better than being forced to do it quickly), Rip up your lawn and plant a garden with perennial veggies, fruit bushes, fruit trees, and nut trees. Learn to compost your own poop (it is easy and doesn’t stink). Buy an apple with a blemish, Get a smaller house on a bigger lot and regenerate that land, Plant a guerrilla garden on a city road allowance. Return to the multi-generational house, Realize that growth has only been a thing in human civilization for 250 years and it is about to end and make preparations for this change. If you are perusing Wealth; Stop! Nothing on the planet is more destructive and brings upon more violence, pain, and climate destruction and, by willful ignorance, all at arms reach and without the wealth seeker’s knowledge labour or effort. Teach these lessons and this reality to your children. Buy only the necessities, Don’t buy new clothes-go to the thrift store. Don’t use single-use plastic or if you do re-purpose it, Unplug your garburator (yes Facebook spell check, that is a word) and compost everything, Relearn old forgotten skills. Don’t let yourself get away with the argument that the plane is going there anyway when you book a holiday. Understand that there is no such thing as the new normal because next year will be worse, Understand before you make the argument that we need to reduce human population … meaning the population elsewhere… that it is not overpopulation in China or India that is causing the current problem… It is us and our “western” lifestyle, Understand that those that are currently arguing against refugees and climate change are both increasing the effects of climate change and causing millions of climate refugees… which will be arriving on Canada’s doorstep because Canada, due to our size and Northern Latitude, will, on the whole, have some of the best climate refugees. Understand that every baby using disposable diapers is responsible for the equivalent of a cube van full and every woman using disposable feminine hygiene products is responsible for an equivalent amount of un-compostable incredibly high energy intensive waste that will be here for 500 years. Also, understand that there are alternatives to both.
    Understand that the densification of cities is condemning those in that density to a food-less future. Stop tolerating the middle ground on climate change. there is no middle ground on gravity, the earth is round, and we are on the verge of collapse.

    Compilation of Climate-related articles across my feed and updated daily: https://www.facebook.com/SoilLifeQuadra/posts/10156900198505199

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    At last check over 50000 shares. Thank you for reading. I appreciate those who when hitting the share button take a moment to add a personal comment (I read most of them) Forging that, cut and paste what to you is the most impactful line or paragraph.

    Thanks to Dr. Eric Rignot, Dr. Jennifer Francis, Dr. Jim Anderson, everyone at Berkely Earth those that put keep the FB page C02.earth and Environmental Advanced Sciences on FB up to date, the treasure trove of academic presentations on the Climate State Youtube Channel and so many other climate scientists who’s work has inspired this piece. Thanks as well to the 16 yr old Gretta Thunburg who gave me the courage to take what was in my head and put it to paper and Rupert Read for the mnemonic. I encourage you to dig deep. Listen to talks where scientists are talking to scientists. They are less likely then to use the conservative filters they impose on themselves and you will get to the cutting edge.

    *on a personal note, since I post about my children, I don’t accept friend requests from people I haven’t met. That said as of today, I have figured out how to enable the “follow” button on my account. I have been blown away by all the fantastic and heartfelt messages and commitments to change I have received due to this post and look forward to reading them.

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    Reflection after 30 thousand shares

    When you have a post translated by several individuals into languages as unexpected as Hungarian and Italian, tuned into pamphlets by people at Gretta Thunberg ‘School Strikes’, adopted into 2 Ph.D. theses, inspired 2 poems and 2 original songs you can’t help but be impressed by the reach of social media.

    I spent a good amount of time reading many of the comments and shares that the post garnered and some things surprised me.

    • People are crying out for coverage of this issue. As so much of our media institution’s time and energy is wasted on the insanity of the man I have refused to name online for over 3 years now South of the border or Brexit so little is directed to our basic survival on this planet. People don’t share some anonymous dude from Canada’s 8 page ,4 thousand word, a science-heavy rant from a personal Facebook page with such alacrity if the information therein was well covered by the Fourth Estate.

    • It is time to stop candy coating these issues. I was originally criticized, not for being scientifically incorrect, but for turning too strongly to fear. The argument is that people do not get motivated by fear. My contention at the time, and now heavily buttressed, is that truth is not fear and when the truth is fearful, we need to face it head-on. I am now well positioned to tell you that the level of ignorance on what our scientists are telling us is beyond reason. One can only speculate as to why so little of what is know is making the front pages. Covering the effects such as the most recent devastation in Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Eastern Canada, Afghanistan…is not enough.

    • The Truth does inspire change. I challenge you to click on the share button and spend some time studying how people reacted to this post. For the most part, it is inspiring.

    • Vocal climate change deniers are few and far between. Despite the near 2 million engagements with this post I only received 3 messages from deniers and only a dozen or so managed to muster up the incredible amounts of courage required to but an ‘angry face’ emoji to the post.

    Information does lead people to profess to change how they live, vote and consume. I can’t count how many people sent me messages let me know how the post affected them to their core and professed they intention to make drastic changes. The messages were humbling and underscored how much more we as a family still have to do to live our own values.

    There were other reactions that were worthy of mention. The one I found the most depressing were those that fully embraced the science, say we somehow need to basically kill off a few billion people but are making little to no change in their lives. Obviously, the few billion that needed to be removed did not include themselves.”

    Any comments from those who got here ?

  27. Probably for the best if the ALP played dead on Climate Change, and then announced policies after taking Governent

  28. Climate change is an issue whether we choose to ‘make’ it one or not. In many places, it is not a matter of preventing climate change. Such change is already upon us. It is too late for prevention.

    The essence of Labor’s response must be to ensure the costs of preparing for, adapting to and losing from climate change are equitably shared.

  29. Tristo @ #1025 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 6:11 pm

    @Player One

    Look at Europe and the Extinction Rebellion, I feel mass civil disobedience will needed in order to achieve real action on climate change.

    And I feel that policing under this rule might make that increasingly difficult. Morrison is already talking very tough about lefties and greenies naming farms / farmers not complying with / breaking environmental laws, as just one example.

  30. FWIW, I think the only way you can environmentalism here in Central Queensland is if it comes in a singlet and thongs.

  31. ausdavo says:
    Monday, May 20, 2019 at 6:23 pm

    Any comments from those who got here ?

    Yep, gotta do something about our pollution.

    People will accept policy on climate change- just making one sector of the community pay for it (Coal miners) when other (already privileged) classes of people don’t have to change their extravagant lifestyles by giving up some luxuries is not a recipe for a workable social contract on the issue.

    Let us start with our own pollution then we can think about telling other people how to live. Also get used to climate changing. The ALP’s policy was not going to stop global warming in any event, even the best designed policy in the world would not have done that.

  32. ItzaDream @ #1035 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 6:33 pm

    Tristo @ #1025 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 6:11 pm

    @Player One

    Look at Europe and the Extinction Rebellion, I feel mass civil disobedience will needed in order to achieve real action on climate change.

    And I feel that policing under this rule might make that increasingly difficult. Morrison is already talking very tough about lefties and greenies naming farms / farmers not complying with / breaking environmental laws, as just one example.

    edit fail

    change ‘rule’ to ‘regime’

  33. Burgey @ #1031 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 6:22 pm

    At one end, you avoid the nutters like Bob Brown, who thinks it’s fine to head up to Qld and tell the locals their livelihoods, families and way of life are nothing more than collateral damage. In all seriousness, wjhat sort of a shitbag human being does that to people?

    The same sort of shitbag human being who told the asbestos industry workers that their livelihoods/families/way of life was nothing more than collateral damage, I guess.

  34. Barney in Saigon @ #1006 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 5:56 pm

    Unfortunately, dealing with climate change is not an issue that will bring too many political rewards.

    The benefits will be too slow and as a result it will always be easily attacked by deniers.

    Of course that’s no reason not to act, but if you think there are huge political benefits from acting, I think you will be disappointed.

    Exactly. As a Joe Bloggs voter, what would you rather save, your job, or the Climate somehow that you don’t fully comprehend?

  35. Labor have plenty of time to work through policies in the next 3 years. The more important part now is holding the current government to account. In the medium term I think it is important for them to take a hard look at how they preselect candidates to ensure they have the best parliamentary representation possible.

  36. We have had an election. The shonkiest government in memory pulled off a one in one hundred victory and all the commentators, social and otherwise jump back into the cesspit of bullshit that has been the 2019 election.
    Part time commentators and professional trolls have invaded this blog to provide some of the necessary diversions found in many mediums right through this campaign.
    No-one has any idea what Morrison intends to do when and if the Senate counting is completed, somewhere in the vicinity of an expected four weeks.
    Ths MSM, including ths Murdoch and Fairfax empires have been complicit in providing camouflage for a corrupt regime to continue on their journey of tax avoidance and persecution of the less well-off.
    The ABC now consists of “weak as piss” overpaid galoots, totally unwilling to demand truth in reporting.
    Professional polling have been ths victims of confused information coming back from their sources. Pollsters did not even attempt to extract facts concerning the plethora of mis- information fed the guileless voters, disillusioned and dumbfounded from years of false promises and featherbedding from professionally compromised politicians.
    Now is not the time to pull back from the efforts needed to have a government whose intention is to achieve policy advancing the best interests of most Australians.
    The Morrison government will have known crooks in ministerial responsibilty.
    Details of government contracts will be withheld from the voting public.
    Nepotism will be pextended and enhanced unabated.
    Australia, having just been stymied by a campaign of deceit and lies, is now expected to sit back and be given the slipper by some pretty ordinary bovver boys in corporate Australia.
    Labor is making mistake to take a backward step.
    It will be a resurgent Union movement that leads the charge, the same Union movement that gave all thd wealthy working class retirees the wealth that they now so defiantly cling to.
    I won’t be holding back in my support to rid politics of the LNP carpetbaggers.
    Have a good evening all!

  37. Personally, I think the ALP should have a policy that puts a solar panel on every single roof in the land. Considering that the Sun, is perhaps our greatest resource. The load it would take off the grid would have to be massive

  38. C@tmomma @ #1041 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 6:38 pm

    Barney in Saigon @ #1006 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 5:56 pm

    Unfortunately, dealing with climate change is not an issue that will bring too many political rewards.

    The benefits will be too slow and as a result it will always be easily attacked by deniers.

    Of course that’s no reason not to act, but if you think there are huge political benefits from acting, I think you will be disappointed.

    Exactly. As a Joe Bloggs voter, what would you rather save, your job, or the Climate somehow that you don’t fully comprehend?

    I think reasonably thoughtful people are really worried about their grandchildren. Where Labor came unstuck was (again) failing to prosecute the case that not doing anything was more costly than doing what they planned. The Govt attack was nothing if not predictable, and some sort of numbers, bullshit ones if necessary, should have been ready, and reduced down to ‘cost of living’ impacts.

  39. Yup no major policies and no changes, small target then wait till Government- get reviews then do some things.

  40. Another interesting viewpoint….

    See who wrote this at the end.

    “Way to go Australia.

    You voted for the death of the Great Barrier Reef.
    You voted for the extinction of the Koala.
    You voted for more destructive and lethal fires.
    You voted for coal and you voted against the interests of your grand children.
    You voted for racism and for the rise of Ignorant Bogan A-holes like Pauline Hansen and her gang of idiots.
    You voted against the future, against common sense, against self preservation, against reason and against compassion. You voted for death, waste and chaos.

    Well done you stupid bogans. You got what you wanted and now you can choke on your plastic money, get skin cancer and watch your houses burn to ashes.

    Australia, you’re just as freaking stupid as us over here in North America with Turdeau and Drumpf. Welcome to the ever growing state of Dumbfuckastan.

    It seems Melbourne is the only place with any intelligence. Unfortunately the nation won’t be absolved because of one sector of integrity.

    Well at least that POS Abbott is out but that will only help to make the Coalition stronger now that he won’t be around to embarrass them although the Liberals still have a barrel full of embarrassing turds left, like Barnaby freaking Jones.

    Abbott will now make a fortune whoring for the oil and coal industry – they love his climate change denial rhetoric.

    I do feel sorry for the millions of Australians who did not vote for these slimy, syphilitic, scum-sucking swamp serpents. For those who did, there will be no pity for the consequences you will suffer because of your greed, exceptional ignorance and short term self interest.

    So here’s to the land down under where children will die as men plunder.

    We can only hope that in the future that the true indigenous leaders of Australia will rise again from the ashes of chaotic “civilization” to once again make the land safe again under Aboriginal rule.

    The imported European virus will be destroyed by the sheer ecological insanity of each and every viral pustule that cast a vote for the dirty coal loving, oil snorting parasites that call themselves the accursed “Coalition.”

    Paul Watson (sea shepherd founder/captain)”

  41. No a r, that isn’t the same type of shitbag as Brown, it’s the mirror image shitbag to Brown.

    Shitbaggery is not the exclusive purview of one side or the other. Brown and his other non-tubbers going on a caravan of no consequence to regional Qld to basically thumb their noses at hard working people with insecure futures was a C U Next Tuesday move. What kind of arsehole parades their own affluence and immunity from insecurity in front of the very people who are going to suffer as the economy transitions?

    No one with any soul, frankly.

  42. William Bowe @ #999 Monday, May 20th, 2019 – 5:53 pm

    Leigh Sales could hardly contain her glee by the end of the night.

    Yeah, I can report that pretty much everyone at the ABC was cock-a-hoop about the return of the Coalition. God knows this is obviously too much to ask, but can some of you people use the election result as a learning experience, and at least try to be less stupid?

    I can only dream of rising to the rank of stupid.
    I often proclaim that I know not much so I must be well up with the experts here.
    Au revoir.

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