The Guardian reports the Coalition’s recovery in Essential Research a fortnight ago has proved shortlived – Labor has gained two points on two-party preferred to lead 54-46, returning to where they were the poll before last. Both major parties are up on the primary vote, Labor by four points to 39% and the Coalition by one to 38%. We will have to wait on the full report later today for the minor parties. The monthly personal ratings have Scott Morrison up one on approval to 42% and down three on disapproval to 34%, while Bill Shorten is down three to 35% and down one to 43%. Morrison leads 40-29 as preferred prime minister, barely changed on 41-29 last time.
Also featured are questions on Labor’s dividend imputation policies and negative gearing policies. The former had the support of 39% and the opposition of 30%. On restricting negative gearing to new homes, 24% said it would reduce house prices; 21% said it would increase them; and 27% believed it would make no difference. Thirty-seven per cent believed it would lead to higher rents, 14% to lower rents and 24% make no difference. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1032.
UPDATE: Full report here. Greens down one to 10%, One Nation down one to 6%.
Of course the Indonesians would not dream of invading Australia while Australia has responsible governments looking after our defence.
It would only be if Greens insanity became Australian defence BAU that the Indonesians might just say to themselves, ‘320 million and growing rapidly, massive loss of low lying land through rising sea levels, massive loss of rice productivity due to increases in temperatures… we’ll just walk in and we’ll have that.’
The Olympic Dam mine “uses 35 million litres of Great Artesian Basin water each day”. It is a menace to the environment. Shut it down.
Cud Chewer @ #383 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 3:25 pm
Which will drop in time for Labor to properly implement it’s findings. 🙂
Warmongers love terrorising voters. Always have always will…
Heads up!
Penny Wong and Mathias Cormann are both back in the Senate chamber.
Given the amount of business they both have to attend to, they usually skip the motions to take note of answers.
So the fact they are both in the chamber means shiz is about to get real on the religious discrimination bill.
Scott Morrison will not act to keep Liberal senator Jim Molan in parliament, despite intervening to save backbench MP Craig Kelly yesterday.
“This afternoon, I have been told that I can expect no special intervention from the Prime Minister regarding the order on the Senate ballot,” Senator Molan said in a statement today.
“I will continue to work hard for veterans, national security, and the people of Australia.
“I intend to run as a Liberal in the next election so that those that support me can vote for a Liberal from a conservative base.”
Burgey @ #392 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 3:32 pm
The ‘sensible centre’ loves neo-liberal bastardry such as the attack on migrants welfare last night.
My guess is that the when the Greens shut down Olympic Dam they will retrain the workers and give the workers a UBI/UJG slot doing coffee waitpersons in Inner Leafy Melbourne.
But I am not sure that even the wealthy inner urban Greens will be able to drink the coffee poured by 10,000 erstwhile miners.
Cud Chewer @ #393 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 3:34 pm
Why would Labor “me too” a sham announcement?
“Labor is unlikely to get 19 LC seats. The VEC has an infuriating habit of removing votes from the count when they’re being rechecked, making the calculators misleading.
Most likely Labor will get 17, although a couple more are possible, or even one less (or fewer, if you prefer).”
Actually, most likely Labor will get 18. They are more likely to get 19 than 17. There is no chance they’ll get 16.
Bottom line is they’ll have a host of progressives and centrist cross benchers to get legislation through
I assume that the Greens would do the same for the 10,000 cotton industry workers: retrain them as UBI/UJG coffee pourers for Inner Urban Wealthy Greens.
My view is that the UJG coffee pourers should go Gilet Jaune and not pour coffee for any Inner Urban Wealthy Greens wearing any item of cotton clothing. Because it would all be sourced from o/s GMO cotton crops.
BTW, any Bludger who is in full employment would be very interested to know that the Greens are going to share your work with anyone who is unemployed.
Yep. No-one in full time employment now is going to keep their hours up.
The line in the Greens Employment Policy is a bit opaque, but then so are many of the lines of the Greens policies.
But it is there.
And I do wish the Greens would stop calling for Aung Sung Suu Kyi’s release from prison!
Queensland is waking up to global warming.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/04/bushfires-tropics-queensland-terrifying-new-reality-cyclones-flooding
…and so on.
From Gareth Hutchens in The Guardian re the Reserve Bank leaving Interest Rates on hold at 1.5%:
Keep all this in mind when Frydenburg delivers his Economic Statement tomorrow. No doubt he will gild a few lilies.
C@t that presumes Labor me-toos it.
Yes, I’ll never forget the ad for ‘Vegan shoes’. They were made out of plastic! Platics are, of course, made out of polymerised hydrocarbons. The majority of which are sourced from fossil fuels. 😆
LR
‘Instead of a heatwave lasting one day, heatwaves are lasting four days or longer,” Gray says.’
I had always thought that a stinking hot day is a stinking hot day and that a heatwave is a string of stinking hot days one after the other.
LR
I like the bit about being on ‘the coal face’ of global warming.
What are the Greens going to wear if they don’t wear cotton because it is GMO cotton?
Goatskins?
Cud Chewer @ #413 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 3:59 pm
Can’t see why they wouldn’t give a tick to a study for HSR. They’ve certainly been out and about promoting other Public Transport Rail projects.
Especially considering the fact that the Conservatives have figured out that funding large scale infrastructure projects keeps a lot of people in work and happy to vote for you as a result.
Boerwar @ #417 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:01 pm
Nope. That involves animal cruelty. 🙂
@Boerwar:
“The Greens want Australia to have the same air force, navy and army we had when the Japanese invaded Australian territory: no fighter planes; no heavy bombers; no tanks; no heavy artillery; no air defences and no submarines.
For a significant period of time the only defence of Australia was mounted by Dutch submarines based in Fremantle. In the early months of the Defence of Australia these boats sank more Japanese tonnage than the British, US and Australian navies combined.
The Australian soldiers who fought in New Guinea wore exactly what the Greens want. They were ill-equipped, out-numbered and ill-trained. They died miserably.
Darwin was flattened, being bombed fifty times.
In the Greens vision splendid, other Aussies do the dying.”
I’m left scratching my head over that analogy frankly.
By December 1941 Australia, like the other dominion countries of the British Empire had been on a total war footing for well over two years. However, Australia, like Britain and America were unprepared for Japan initiating a new war, even though it was obviously ‘on the cards’ as a realistic possibility for many years.
This shared failure does not appear to be one of a lack of commitment to resourcing a war (except for perhaps America that had stayed out of the direct entanglement in the Europe conflict).
Rather the failure was one of strategic thinking, especially by conservative Australian governments who followed Churchill’s ‘Europe first’ approach with its deployed of the Second AIF, which had morphed into the North Africa campaign by mid 1941. The Singapore defenses were a complete cock up, although one wonders what might have been if Brudenal White didn’t die in the Canberra Air Disaster in 1940.
In short, the Australian Government between 1939-41 showed the correct resolve to prosecute a war, just the wrong one. They simply blinded themselves to the source of the likely direct threat to the homeland and the immediate sphere of our influence. Further, to the extent that military thinkers were aware of the threat they simply misunderstood and underestimated Japanese maritime war doctrine: without a concerted effort to build a dozen or so aircraft carriers and requisite support ships and submarines from the late 1930s Australia would have remained impotent no matter how many military resources were re-deployed from Europe-North Africa. Indeed, if Australia possessed a large, mobile army-navy-airforce, at home (but without aircraft carriers) it seems likely that it would have made Australia a more important target for the Japanese to deal with as a first order priority, because they would not want THAT threat to potentially outflank them as they dealt with South East Asia.
I just don’t get your comparison with the Greens defence policy of today, which seems to be based on adopting a ‘small target’ lessening the external threats, alla NZ. This is just not same-same.
Heads up!
Labor and the government have come to an agreement on the encryption laws.
Think about this Greens’ policy for a moment. They hid it at the end.
17. Government to ensure the equitable distribution of paid work among those who wish to engage in the workforce.
I am one who has always deferred to the RBA Notes attaching to a decision, not media commentary on those Notes
You defer to what the Organ Grinder is saying not what the Monkeys are saying
Just end it once and for all !
Rex,
The sensible centre realises it needs to make compromises to get elected and get things done, be it those in the centre of the Libs or the ALP. That’s what you need to do to get into government and progress your agenda. Occasionally you have to pinch your nose, hold your breath and agree to something you don’t like in order to achieve your overall goals. Obviously, we’d all like to be like the Greens, and have our pet unicorns fart clouds of incense over the whole land, but it just doesn’t work that way. The Greens’ agenda is about as applicable in the real world as the Libertarian agenda is on the Right side of politics. You’re just two side of the same coin.
The easiest thing in the world is to sit on the sidelines and cry foul about everything and anything, safe in the knowledge that your own preferred policy of the establishment of a Vegetarian Comintern will never actually fly in the real world.
You’re just a protest movement. You’ve never been a Party of government, and you never will be while these ridiculous ideological blinkers blind you to the real world and what it takes to change it.
Fire up, Burgey
Burgey @ #427 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:08 pm
Labor didn’t pinch their nose.
Had they voted ‘no’ the bill would’ve failed.
So Cat, in regards the infrastructure spend as referred to in the RBA Board Notes, which governments precisely are expending on projects?
And what is the status of those projects, creating what employment?
I would also offer that those with skills are being well remunerated – which feeds into the wages growth also referred to in the RBA Board Notes
So what about the rest of the Australian work force?
Again statistics are for comparative purposes only and need to be drilled down on to have any meaning
Burgey says:
The problem is if you keep comprising enough there is no point in electing you.
poroti @ #431 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:14 pm
Q. What does Labor stand for ?
A. Compromise.
Re the encryption compromise
Good luck with forcing the US 800 lb gorilla tech companies to comply. Or will there be Fair Dinkum Aussie software versions created ? That’ll work 🙂
Rex,
Herein lies in a simple post the willful naivety of the Greens.
Labor is about to win a federal election and return to government. Their political opponents (the Tories, not the Greens, who are not so much opponents as that annoying mozzie who buzzes you in bed at night – tiny, inconsequential but bloody annoying even though easily swatted away) are attempting to throw Labor’s way anything they can to wedge them and move the national debate back onto an area where the Tories are perceived as strong; and then beat them up on it.
Now, as much as you, I or anyone else would like the ALP to have opposed the Bill, those of us in the real world can see the political consequences of doing so. It’s not, as the great Benny Elias once said “Rocket surgery.” And this is the problem with the Greens. They would rather choose to die on a hill than scale the Everest of government from where they can actually achieve something. Again, they are the flip side to the libertarian outfit on the Right; completely dissociated from political reality, and reality in general.
I mean, you have to be pretty stupid not to realise that government and politics in a democracy is, at its core, transactional.
Brilliant stuff, Burgey
Burgey
Tell me of these ‘consequences’ ?
Lynchpin @ #142 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 9:54 am
You will give the NRA a premature erecculation!
Seriously? Do you have no imagination?
PB is such a nice place. Our trolls never go hungry.
Centre Alliance have flipped on their LGBT vote the other day.
Will be done and dusted tomorrow.
Nathan …
The Olympic Dam mine “uses 35 million litres of Great Artesian Basin water each day”. It is a menace to the environment. Shut it down.
While you’re at it look at the subsidisation of electricity to the aluminium smelting industry. Tax payer foots the bill for additional supply infrastructure .. foots the bill for secret kW rate, foots the bill for environmental damage.
Sorry Ratsak 🙂
Question @ #438 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:32 pm
Please… feel free to enlighten me…
Rex Douglas @ #443 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:34 pm
I’m not sure anyone here can do that, Rex.
Observer @ #428 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:12 pm
Observer,
As far as meaning goes, I found this article today instructive and this particular paragraph an, at least, partial answer to your question:
https://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/australia-is-about-to-feel-the-power-of-the-chinese-state-20181203-h18nep
As far as infrastructure spends are concerned, there is, of course the Victorian State government, the NSW State government, the Tasmanian government who want to turn the Tasmanian Wilderness into a tourist theme park, the Queensland State government have their Cross River Rail plan, the WA State government has a Rail project, and I’m sure there are others.
@BW
We need to replace ScoMo’s face with Coal Face.
Question @ #436 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:32 pm
It’s just bait. best ignored. I have taken TPOF’s advice and binned the trolls. Again. 🙂
C@tmomma @ #447 Tuesday, December 4th, 2018 – 4:38 pm
You’ve binned Emma as well haven’t you…
I think Nath is a much better troll than Rex. Nath’s posts are worth reading as we are looking at quality trolling, Rex same shit over and over. Poor old Bree; his heart is no longer in it.