The latest Newspoll has Labor’s two-party lead unchanged on last fortnight at 53-47, from primary votes of Coalition 37% (up one), Labor 38% (up one), Greens 9% (down one) and One Nation 7% (down one). Despite the stability on voting intention, Malcolm Turnbull’s lead on preferred prime minister has been slashed from 40-33 to 37-35. The Australian’s report relates that Turnbull is down two points on approval to 32%, and Shorten is down one to 33%, but the only hint we get about disapproval is that Turnbull’s result is worse than Shorten’s. More on that shortly. (UPDATE: Turnbull’s disapproval is up three to 57%, Shorten’s is up two to 56%). The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1657.
jenauthor @ #337 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 1:46 pm
Jason Clare ? …the guy on the teat of the pokies lobby ?
https://theconversation.com/paying-the-piper-and-calling-the-tune-following-clubsnsws-political-donations-60639
Ratsak.
Has it occurred to you that the preference flow from the Greens is mostly to Labor.
So much for evidence of their website costing Labor government.
Its not first past the post.
Here’s an idea. Instead of blaming the Greens Party for taking votes off Labor how about Labor acknowledging that its leader is a massive drag on its vote…. ?
@guytaur
If only Greens would reconize the fact, they should work with Labor on better policies, but since their new leader, Di whatever his name his, is just totally different.
Ides
Bedford has said she won’t support Labor on any “stupid” policies. She’ll be a Labor friendly indie who gets lots of resources for Modbury Hospital.
Rex
We know you are not a Green. You support another party entirely.
That said. I find your leadership comments absurd.
Labor is winning the 2pp and Shorten is now almost level pegging Turnbull.
Yeah great time to give the Murdoch media the whole unstable can’t govern the country as a divided party narrative
I don’t know why people are fighting about who will win the Batman by-election.
Judging by the state of the Greens’ and Labor’s campaigns the seat will obviously be won by Mister Whippy.
Guytaur…of course, as an Alt-Tory leaning voter, you’re relectant to accept that a G vote carries the same weight as a Liberal vote. But this is the ineluctable arithmetic fact. An Alt-Tory vote is a Tory vote.
The campaigning of the Alt-Tories is entirely aimed at harming Labor. This is beyond dispute.
Can someone please post the contents of the Adelaide Now article on the Independents.
“Yeah great time to give the Murdoch media the whole unstable can’t govern the country as a divided party narrative”
Unless of course that accusation is applied to the Libs….which on evidence is true. 🙂
Rex campaigns against Labor in all its dimensions from the standpoint of a Tory and/or an Alt-Tory. It doesn’t make any diff to Rex. He is pumping out anti-Labor text in the knowledge that in a binary system whatever hurts Labor helps the Tories.
There is Labor. There are Tories. Rex gets it.
BludgerTrack leadership ratings still showing the previous data?
Zoid
Pot Kettle Black.
It takes two to tango and both parties are doing rhetoric in the fight for Batman.
Labor has to not forget those people who vote for the Greens no matter what they think of the Greens.
That means not being LNP lite.
One of the reasons I am voting primary for Labor this election is that despite Mr Shorten being from the right he can see this.
He can also see how unpopular neo liberal economics is as it creates chaotic voting around the world as people buy into what “elites” are.
He is presenting sensible centre left policies. He will win.
Labor people should not get distracted by the fact the Greens are competing for a seat against Labor in a by election that won’t change one vote for the government.
Come general election time Green orLabor Batman will be in the Labor column for a vote in the HOR for Labor to be in government. Labor is going to do landslide anyway so even that is of less consequence.
The Senate is a different story and Labor will want to work with the Greens to get policies through the Senate.
guytaur @ #354 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 2:09 pm
I think you’ve forgotten what a good leader looks like… ?
@Rex
Turnbull or Abbott looks good?
bwahahaha.
Now you going to the newest low.
The sex/reason party polls under 1 %. Fiona Patten is a drag on their vote and they need a new leader.
My mother makes great lemon pudding and lovely fruit salad. When I eat with her, that’s the choice. There is never pavlova.
In the House of Reps, it’s basically the same. There is fruit salad. There is lemon delicious. There’s not much meringue.
The Gs would like us to consume meringue and eschew the salad. It’s useless to pretend that meringue is the same as fruit.
Guytaur… the Gs will do their utmost to forestall a Labor win. A Labor win is the worst possible result for a G.
briefly
Better than the dog meat on the LNP side of the chamber if we are going to use that analogy.
Batman changes not one vote for the government.
Thats why they are so keen on doing one sided citizenship inquiries. That can change votes for the Government.
“George Pell’s barrister has taken a swipe at Victoria Police, saying they presumed the Cardinal was guilty while investigating allegations of sexual assault against him.”
Maybe the Church really can’t afford the payouts to victims? They certainly can’t afford a competent lawyer.
The legal system cannot possibly work where the police needs evidence beyond all reasonable doubt before they start to investigate anyone. How would they get the evidence required to investigate, if they can’t investigate without evidence? And, if they did have enough evidence to investigate, then it would be a waste of money investigating because they already have evidence.
The police do the investigating of whoever they think appropriate, and hand that evidence to the DPP. The DPP decides if there’s enough evidence to bother bringing a case, and then the courts apply a presumption of innocence to determine if the case goes to trial, and if the accused is found guilty.
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Absence of Empathy Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 12:40 pm Comment #268
Hell on the Way to Heaven – Chrissie Foster Paul Kennedy ????
guytaur says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:27 pm
briefly
Batman changes not one vote for the government.
This is disingenuous and you know it. When Labor lose a seat, Tories benefit.
Vogon Poet @ #363 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 2:20 pm
Nah, she’s a champ.
https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1%2C$multiply_0.512%2C$ratio_1.777778%2C$width_2000%2C$x_0%2C$y_56/t_crop_custom/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto/2157226a49d9371a1df342654873b94cba2ee528
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/historic-euthanasia-laws-pass-victorian-upper-house-20171122-gzqc8n.html
Dio
Thanks!
apropos of nothing, has anyone ported STFU over to the new blog?
Briefly
Thanks for proving my point about your fantasy world.
Government gains not one vote. It stays in government no matter who wins Batman. This is maths.
Then bugger off and stop talking to the media!
Musrum:
Yes there is a C+ extension that allows you to block commenters.
It really is wonderful.
https://twitter.com/roweafr/status/970503404874158081
Does C+ work on mobile browsers? I think its time to look into installing it.
Asha:
I don’t know, sorry.
Perhaps ask AR when he is next around.
guytaur says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:36 pm
Utterly disingenuous Alt-Tory falsification of the political accounts.
Briefly
You cannot change math
Do most people here agree that Rudd’s ETS, had it been supported by the Greens, would have delivered a better environmental outcome than what we currently have?
Or was it ‘locking in failure’?
The bourgeois sect that comprise the Alt-Tory party lie to everyone, not least to themselves.
guytaur,
Do you think you could direct your, ‘Labor people, stop attacking The Greens’ posts to The Greens posters who keep attacking us? The same applies to them as that argument which you keep applying to us.
KThnxBai 🙂
Rex Douglas
BRILLIANT ! 😆
Bonza
Do most people here agree that Gillard’s ETS had it not been torn up by the LNP, would have delivered a better environmental outcome than what we currently have?
I’m inclined to agree with zoomster on the Canberra Sexcapades.
Why would anyone want to put themselves out there as a slut, unless there was something in it for them (Barnaby said Campion agreed with his ‘noble father of a bastard’ expose? Like not getting potential hubby, or the Nats, having to repay the Commonwealth for getting his squeeze a job. Like corruption.
And further to the Canberra Sexcapades, Micky Cash, whatever her name is (btw, isn’t Michaelia the most dumb name you ever heard??) apparently her down-and-dirty go at Bill Shorten was because she thought Doogie Cameron was having a go at her new CoS.
Huh? Does that mean, her new CoS was having it off with a Minister (against the new shagging rules), or is her new CoS merely Julie Bishop’s ongoing TinderDate?
Guardian Australia announces the agreement of a $300,000 philanthropic grant from The Balnaves Foundation to the Guardian Civic Journalism Trust to help deliver in-depth coverage of Indigenous affairs
https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-australia-press-office/2018/mar/05/philanthropy-supports-journalism-initiative-with-indigenous-affairs-at-its-heart
Cat
I am directing my comments to both. However as most here are Labor partisans it needs to be mostly directed at Labor partisans like yourself to try and look at the bigger picture.
Don’t get bogged down in the Batman by election stuff.
Instead look at how neo liberal politics is failing and how the right in denial of this is splintering.
Exactly as the left did when communism became a dictatorship and the right used that to denigrate socialism as exactly the same thing
58 Newspolls rejecting the LNP economic agenda of inequality through neo liberalism.
Asha Leu @ #378 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 1:41 pm
The last time it was tested, no. By which I mean you can install it on the mobile version of Firefox, but it doesn’t seem like there’s any way to access the settings section to actually enable it.
Musrum
Greetings!
Your little bit of trickery that allowed simple tables however has unfortunately gone missing.
:bugger:
I wondered if it was a warning shot over the bows of whoever else was sleeping with the person being slept with.
Bonza:
I don’t generally go in for what-ifs, but my take is that – in hindsight – it was a pretty big blunder for the Greens to vote against it. But it made a lot more sense in the context of late 2009, when Labor seemed a dead certainty to win in a massive landslide next election. I mean, the Liberals had just elected Tony Abbott as their leader at the time!
I think the Greens assumed the two most likely outcomes were either Rudd renegotiating with them or Rudd going to a double dissolution and being able to pass whatever the hell he wanted in the subsequent joint sitting.
That said, I think it’s far from a certainty that the original Rudd-Turnbull ETS would still be with us once Abbott was elected. He came into the leadership on a platform of axing that very tax, after all. Yes, it would have been in place for a couple of years longer by then, but I don’t see that stopping Abbott, nor the climate-denier crossbenchers who voted with the Coalition to repeal the carbon tax.
Confessions @ #376 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 2:38 pm
Got it! Ta.
a r:
Damn, I generally browse PB on my phone. Thanks for the info anyway.
Guess I’ll just have to be more diligent in scrolling past whenever the usual suspects try their best to further split Australia’s progressive forces (of which today has so far proven to be a impressively tedious example.)
Itza
So, you think there’s another potential father (Minister or not) in the wings?
Rex Douglas @ #351 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 10:06 am
Here’s an idea.
Instead of targeting existing progressive voters the Greens could go out and look to convince the more centrally aligned Conservative voters to support them.
At present they are doing little to nothing to increase the progressive vote in Australia, relying on Labor to do all the heavy lifting in this department. 🙂